MrEgghead:
What will you gain from these arguments? You're talking as if you're in there purse....your hatred and contempt for Dentistry has beclouded your logical reasoning ability.
The optometry you're blabbing about is still far behind in health sector... If optometrists are so relevant there shouldn't be ophthalmologists.
Abeg swerve...Your department is not even recognized;Playing second fiddle to ophthalmologists.
Don't mention any financial issh because you don't live in their pockets.
Like you've visited all the clinics in Nigeria..
Assumptions is not cool for your intelligence.

My brother, this case scenario is very simple...throughout this country, the optometrist will always outgross a dentist. No matter how small the optometry clinic, oga a dentist will not contend. The private sector has giving us their judgement of the relevance of the professions. Even a busy optician will outgross a dental clinic. Let me not even mention the non-clinical technical aspect of optometry busines involving blank surfacing and contact lens. Some surfacing labs make an average of 5m a week. Go to agbor and ask about.
U guys r delusional to compare an optometric grossing with that of dentistry.
Do u even go for outreach? You guys are few because ur board knows that if they increase intake u guys will beg for a living. Without any support, optometry still by far outgrosses ur department which eats from medicine's laps.
You want change what is clear to everyone...you are trying to prove what is as clear as daylight.
Put ur money where ur mouth is. When u finish go and open a dental clinic in Benin, then u will know that hunger is not a text book concept.it is real.

originbm:


My brother, this case scenario is very simple...throughout this country, the optometrist will always outgross a dentist. No matter how small the optometry clinic, oga a dentist will not contend. The private sector has giving us their judgement of the relevance of the professions. Even a busy optician will outgross a dental clinic. Let me not even mention the non-clinical technical aspect of optometry busines involving blank surfacing and contact lens. Some surfacing labs make an average of 5m a week. Go to agbor and ask about.
U guys r delusional to compare an optometric grossing with that of dentistry.
Do u even go for outreach? You guys are few because ur board knows that if they increase intake u guys will beg for a living. Without any support, optometry still by far outgrosses ur department which eats from medicine's laps.
You want change what is clear to everyone...you are trying to prove what is as clear as daylight.
Put ur money where ur mouth is. When u finish go and open a dental clinic in Benin, then u will know that hunger is not a text book concept.it is real.

I won't waste my time arguing with young..I used to be like you before but I've found that your course of study doesn't determine how successful you'll be but Your ability to do what others don't do;creativity.
All these points you've been typing are assumptions but my points are not assumptions;they are very obvious at least in Nigeria.
I don't want to know who make more money because for the fact that we're in the same trade doesn't mean we'd make the same amount I mean in private setting;Numerous factors come to play..
But It's no assumption that you're behind in Nigeria's healthcare..I've never come across department of optometry in any Nigerian hospital or have you?
It has always been department of Opthalmology in which you guys play second fiddle.
saying you guys are not recognized is not far fetched.
Atleast in the govt setting,Optometrist earn below a dentist.
Residency plays a dentist beyond reach oncemore.
A dentist can always become a CMD of any public hospital and some other juicy positions.
An optometry can not head the department of Opthalmology. Sometimes,these potentials make you fulfilled even if you don't have much..So,it's not all about money,money!
Atleast these are not assumptions.
All those points you've given on private setting are based on the clinics you've been or your general perspective..
You can't use those ones as yardstick because not every businessman is successful.
Bottomline:saying your points are assumptions is not far fetched.

originbm:


Oga you guys are hungry simple. Go to uniben security services and ask this slowpoke. Only a little number of u guys are employed, wat would the rest do. In Benin city, there is no single thriving dental clinics.
They are clinical deserts.You morons that rush to defend ur profession, i ask u:DO U LIVE IN MARS?
You want to decieve younger ones to enter into a profession in which ones u are not salaried in the govt. sector, u r finished. U r uttering arrant nonsense.
The guy I am telling u about is pharmacy. But of course u prefer fiction to truth. DENTISTRY IS A POOR PROFESSION DEPENDING ON GOVT HANDOUTS. QUOTE ME ANYWHERE.
Something as clear as daylight. Finish ur dentistry and get into the labour market, u will soon be disillusioned.

LWKMD. You are just a psychotic donkey-stubborn charlatan..
Okay, there are many optometrist who have dumped their 2nd class D.O degree and are now full-fledged prostitutes in Oluku. Go there and ask.
How about that?

Only few dentists are employed? You have always been reminding us that the admission quota allocated to dentistry is very low, which is true! I'm not sure there are up to 15 dental schools in Nigeria, and the school with the highest quota has about 40 slots and the rest schools around 20 something or even less. So about a maximum of 500 dentists graduate every year. There are about 82 recognised government owned hospitals, which comprises of Teaching hospitals and specialist or general hospitals. All these hospitals have a dental department, no matter how big or small. So do the maths, have you seen how foolish you are? Well, I won't be surprised if you say the 82 hospitals can't absorb the 500 dentists. Mind you, I didn't include private dental clinics oh.
Honestly, saying there are no job opportunities for dentists is one of the most idiotic opinion that can ever be spoken out. Don't try it again.

Nigga, I just told you about Eze Iyamu's wife dental clinic, and you still don't understand that Dental clinics can be run covertly and still produce good money.

BTW, why do optometry students keep running away from private clinics to do their internship and would rather wait years to get a spot in government owned hospitals? I hope you also do your internship in a private clinic Since you abhor government hospital job, I hope you don't get it.

Are you really arguing with me about that guy? bïtch, he failed, take it or take it. Besides how did you even know the guy? Are you this insecure that you are now stalking dental students? Wow! Get over the hatred, it won't take you anywhere. Jealous much.

homesteady:


LWKMD. You are just a psychotic donkey-stubborn charlatan..
Okay, there are many optometrist who have dumped their 2nd class D.O degree and are now full-fledged prostitutes in Oluku. Go there and ask.
How about that?

Only few dentists are employed? You have always been reminding us that the admission quota allocated to dentistry is very low, which is true! I'm not sure there are up to 15 dental schools in Nigeria, and the school with the highest quota has about 40 slots and the rest schools around 20 something or even less. So about a maximum of 500 dentists graduate every year. There are about 82 recognised government owned hospitals, which comprises of Teaching hospitals and specialist or general hospitals. All these hospitals have a dental department, no matter how big or small. So do the maths, have you seen how foolish you are? Well, I won't be surprised if you say the 82 hospitals can't absorb the 500 dentists. Mind you, I didn't include private dental clinics oh.
Honestly, saying there are no job opportunities for dentists is one of the most idiotic opinion that can ever be spoken out. Don't try it again.

Nigga, I just told you about Eze Iyamu's wife dental clinic, and you still don't understand that Dental clinics can be run covertly and still produce good money.

BTW, why do optometry students keep running away from private clinics to do their internship and would rather wait years to get a spot in government owned hospitals? I hope you also do your internship in a private clinic Since you abhor government hospital job, I hope you don't get it.

Are you really arguing with me about that guy? bïtch, he failed, take it or take it. Besides how did you even know the guy? Are you this insecure that you are now stalking dental students? Wow! Get over the hatred, it won't take you anywhere. Jealous much.

hahaha...
why all these cry, did u enter into dentistry with the hope of making money...
all over nigetia the fact is established that private practice will not pay as high a salary as govetnment hospitals, even though a few pay considerably equal remuneration. but that is a function of the capitalist nature of the business environment which seeks to maximize profit. That says nothing about its lucrativenes especially since an optometrist with enough capital can open his.
Eye clinics in military hospitals are run by optometrists, army 68 at yaba a case in point. The dental clinic here for instance is a desert, if not for govt subsidy dental depts in many hospitals will close down.
the question I ask u again is this: BY WHAT STRETCH OF UR BENUMBED IMAGINATION CAN YOU COMPARE DENTISTRY WITH OPTOMETRY IN GENERATING PROFITS...WHO VISITS A DENTIST HERE, or are you comparing scaling and polishing with refraction...
why are you playing dumb...I know a dentist who out of frustration from seeking for residency had to travel to kaduna to take a job of 80k and u are hear yapping nonsense.
an optometric outreach can net an intetn up to 150k within 2 days. even an optician earns higher than a general dentist.
The federal govt and NMA politics is the saviour of dentistry in Nigeria. Everday you guys should go and prostrate b4 them thanking them. you are resident in Benin, abeg tell us one dental clinic comparable to daniel and davids or mayos or prime opticals. These are even too much; u r out of ur wits making this comparison. Go to the dental dept in Faith mediplex and other hospitals and see for urself. They are just clinical decorations. How can you compare px flow in an eye clinic to that of teeth...na wao.
Surfacing labs make millions on weekly basis...this guy hv u ever gone on a dental outreach? Can a dental department go on outreach independently and make any money? your lines are the shortest in any outreach.
Also, a Nigerian optometrist has a further advantage which a dentist doesn't. ..he can go to middle east and get rich...not to talk of america and canada... Dont worry, wen u look for residency and dont see, let me know the options u have as a dentist.
You guys are simply a product of entitlement. Your remuneration in govt establishment is a product of professional politics not your clinical output.
U come up here to decieve young ones to enter into dentistry when you know that you guys are hungry..In Warri, name a thriving dental clinic...u guys beg optometrists to open clinics together so as to divert px flow and u are hear talking nonsense...I guess u still in school, get ready for shock.

And of course you made my day: a clinic is run covertly, making money covertly...U r officially certified a comedian...covert practice, Cia abi Mossad style... Ize iyamu's wife runs a dental clinic covertly, my friend pray that u get a residency after ur service or else u go know say hunger no dey wire person covertly but openly for everybody to witness.

MrEgghead:
I won't waste my time arguing with young..I used to be like you before but I've found that your course of study doesn't determine how successful you'll be but Your ability to do what others don't do;creativity.
All these points you've been typing are assumptions but my points are not assumptions;they are very obvious at least in Nigeria.
I don't want to know who make more money because for the fact that we're in the same trade doesn't mean we'd make the same amount I mean in private setting;Numerous factors come to play..
But It's no assumption that you're behind in Nigeria's healthcare..I've never come across department of optometry in any Nigerian hospital or have you?
It has always been department of Opthalmology in which you guys play second fiddle.
saying you guys are not recognized is not far fetched.
Atleast in the govt setting,Optometrist earn below a dentist.
Residency plays a dentist beyond reach oncemore.
A dentist can always become a CMD of any public hospital and some other juicy positions.
An optometry can not head the department of Opthalmology. Sometimes,these potentials make you fulfilled even if you don't have much..So,it's not all about money,money!
Atleast these are not assumptions.
All those points you've given on private setting are based on the clinics you've been or your general perspective..
You can't use those ones as yardstick because not every businessman is successful.
Bottomline:saying your points are assumptions is not far fetched.

There are two things that will happen to you when you realize that dentistry scammed you after your housejob money is finished and you are borrowing money from ur optometrist friend to patch up ur 70k salary till month ending, when hunger starts knocking on your door as a general dental practitioner:
1. You either become a motivational speaker like you are trying to do in your post here,
2. You start hating everybody and everything like ur colleague homesteady.

I dont understand what you mean by optometry not being recognized...The current provost of the college of the college of , medicine absu, together with the v.c is an optometrist.
I think you r trying to say that optometrists dont enjoy the status that medical doctors enjoy in the public service. That is true. But then here it is, whatever medicine enjoys (and dentistry as a result of parasitic apposition to medicine) is a result of professional politics which optometry has never been a part of until fairly recently. The public service has never had an enormous attraction for optometrists who have always been well off in the private practice. Health care activism started fairly recently in optometry.
Then again it is in the realm of private practice that the actual value of a profession is weighed. There are medical specialties and even general practitioners that are stupendously successful. They prove that they are doing the govt a favour and not the other way round. Unfortunately dentistry is not one of them. Can dentistry please replicate all her self-acclaimed clinical prowess in the private sector. Of course they cannot. Govt feeds you for being close to medicine.
A govt dentist can earn a higher salary than the optometrist because the country is built for rent sharing. But that is where it ends.
The optometry earns a much higher income than the dentist. The optomettist is a citizen of the whole world, with employment waiting for him outside Nigerian whenever he wants it, which cannot be said of dentistry.
I better read medical radiography than dentistry. Your hope of measuring up to the successful optometrist is to become a cmd and start looting hospital funds...I just hope it pays you...
I am waiting for the day dental clinics start becoming busy, then we can talk.
Again, an optometrist cannot head a department of ophthalmology, neither can an ophthalmologist head a department of optometry. But both can head an EYE CLINIC. Go and check out military hospitals . Optometry have their own residency training just like dentistry. The only difference is that urs is sponsored by the federal govt. Like I said before, politics made it so. Thats why NMA pours huge funds into politics. Dentistry has their own association, yet nobody hears of you. Yet you guys have the temerity to complain about medicine's marginalization. If u guys complain they should throw you into the street to fend for yourselves, then lets see the real value of your services...
u said I am talking on assumption...be patient, the dead will soon sleep to his satisfaction...ur philosophy on money making not being a function of ur degree is okay. guard it.you will need it, especially as a dentist.

originbm:



hahaha...
why all these cry, did u enter into dentistry with the hope of making money...
all over nigetia the fact is established that private practice will not pay as high a salary as govetnment hospitals, even though a few pay considerably equal remuneration. but that is a function of the capitalist nature of the business environment which seeks to maximize profit. That says nothing about its lucrativenes especially since an optometrist with enough capital can open his.
Eye clinics in military hospitals are run by optometrists, army 68 at yaba a case in point. The dental clinic here for instance is a desert, if not for govt subsidy dental depts in many hospitals will close down.
the question I ask u again is this: BY WHAT STRETCH OF UR BENUMBED IMAGINATION CAN YOU COMPARE DENTISTRY WITH OPTOMETRY IN GENERATING PROFITS...WHO VISITS A DENTIST HERE, or are you comparing scaling and polishing with refraction...
why are you playing dumb...I know a dentist who out of frustration from seeking for residency had to travel to kaduna to take a job of 80k and u are hear yapping nonsense.
an optometric outreach can net an intetn up to 150k within 2 days. even an optician earns higher than a general dentist.
The federal govt and NMA politics is the saviour of dentistry in Nigeria. Everday you guys should go and prostrate b4 them thanking them. you are resident in Benin, abeg tell us one dental clinic comparable to daniel and davids or mayos or prime opticals. These are even too much; u r out of ur wits making this comparison. Go to the dental dept in Faith mediplex and other hospitals and see for urself. They are just clinical decorations. How can you compare px flow in an eye clinic to that of teeth...na wao.
Surfacing labs make millions on weekly basis...this guy hv u ever gone on a dental outreach? Can a dental department go on outreach independently and make any money? your lines are the shortest in any outreach.
Also, a Nigerian optometrist has a further advantage which a dentist doesn't. ..he can go to middle east and get rich...not to talk of america and canada... Dont worry, wen u look for residency and dont see, let me know the options u have as a dentist.
You guys are simply a product of entitlement. Your remuneration in govt establishment is a product of professional politics not your clinical output.
U come up here to decieve young ones to enter into dentistry when you know that you guys are hungry..In Warri, name a thriving dental clinic...u guys beg optometrists to open clinics together so as to divert px flow and u are hear talking nonsense...I guess u still in school, get ready for shock.

And of course you made my day: a clinic is run covertly, making money covertly...U r officially certified a comedian...covert practice, Cia abi Mossad style... Ize iyamu's wife runs a dental clinic covertly, my friend pray that u get a residency after ur service or else u go know say hunger no dey wire person covertly but openly for everybody to witness.

It's a big lie for u to say that eye clinics in military hospitals are run by optometrists. They're run by ophthalmologists. Stop peddling lies. What amazes me is that u know what dentistry is all about and yet u decided to lie. Dr Gary Parker is a dentist and consultant oral & maxillofacial surgeon, and also the chief medical officer of Africa Mercy ships Hospital that performs free surgeries for indigent Africans with facial tumours, cleft lips and palate, orthopaedic surgery, plastic surgery, and the rest. There're medical doctors in the hospital, yet he is the chief medical officer while an orthopedic surgeon (a medical doctor) is the assistant chief medical officer. I'm not talking of chief Executive Officer which anybody can be. chief medical officer abroad is the same as chairman, medical advisory committee (CMAC) or head of clinical services. So, it's not peculiar to Nigeria. I want to ask u: can an optometrist be a chief medical officer where there's a medical doctor as in the case above? An optometrist can never be a medical officer in an international hospital like the one above. Even in America and London u quoted, a general dentist in private practice earns higher than a family doctor let alone an optometrist. Even in Cambodia, there is a shortage of dentists called maxillofacial surgeons. See d link: https://juliemasis./2013/10/03/phnom-penh-post-nil-by-mouth-how-cambodia-is-desperate-for-oral-surgeons-operations-on-the-face-and-neck-are-extremely-delicate-and-if-done-incorrectly-the-results-can-be-disastrous-cambodia/ For african mercy chief medical officer who is a dentist, see d links: http://www.prweb.com/releases/mercy_ships_scholarship/aaoms_sfomk/prweb9905874.htm http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/school-of-dentistry-alumnus-honored-as-miracle-worker-at-sea http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/people/dr-gary-parker.aspx

originbm:



There are two things that will happen to you when you realize that dentistry scammed you after your housejob money is finished and you are borrowing money from ur optometrist friend to patch up ur 70k salary till month ending, when hunger starts knocking on your door as a general dental practitioner:
1. You either become a motivational speaker like you are trying to do in your post here,
2. You start hating everybody and everything like ur colleague homesteady.

I dont understand what you mean by optometry not being recognized...The current provost of the college of the college of , medicine absu, together with the v.c is an optometrist.
I think you r trying to say that optometrists dont enjoy the status that medical doctors enjoy in the public service. That is true. But then here it is, whatever medicine enjoys (and dentistry as a result of parasitic apposition to medicine) is a result of professional politics which optometry has never been a part of until fairly recently. The public service has never had an enormous attraction for optometrists who have always been well off in the private practice. Health care activism started fairly recently in optometry.
Then again it is in the realm of private practice that the actual value of a profession is weighed. There are medical specialties and even general practitioners that are stupendously successful. They prove that they are doing the govt a favour and not the other way round. Unfortunately dentistry is not one of them. Can dentistry please replicate all her self-acclaimed clinical prowess in the private sector. Of course they cannot. Govt feeds you for being close to medicine.
A govt dentist can earn a higher salary than the optometrist because the country is built for rent sharing. But that is where it ends.
The optometry earns a much higher income than the dentist. The optomettist is a citizen of the whole world, with employment waiting for him outside Nigerian whenever he wants it, which cannot be said of dentistry.
I better read medical radiography than dentistry. Your hope of measuring up to the successful optometrist is to become a cmd and start looting hospital funds...I just hope it pays you...
I am waiting for the day dental clinics start becoming busy, then we can talk.
Again, an optometrist cannot head a department of ophthalmology, neither can an ophthalmologist head a department of optometry. But both can head an EYE CLINIC. Go and check out military hospitals . Optometry have their own residency training just like dentistry. The only difference is that urs is sponsored by the federal govt. Like I said before, politics made it so. Thats why NMA pours huge funds into politics. Dentistry has their own association, yet nobody hears of you. Yet you guys have the temerity to complain about medicine's marginalization. If u guys complain they should throw you into the street to fend for yourselves, then lets see the real value of your services...
u said I am talking on assumption...be patient, the dead will soon sleep to his satisfaction...ur philosophy on money making not being a function of ur degree is okay. guard it.you will need it, especially as a dentist.

No optometrist has ever been a provost of college of medicine in Nigeria. Give me the name. He can be a VC but not a provost of college of medicine. This post is for medical doctors and dentists. Also, an ophthalmologist can also head an optometry dept, cos an optometrist is just a technologist to him. Optometry is not even lucrative in the private sector in Nigeria. I know many of them angling for govt jobs. Ur problem is that u don't know ur master. An optometrist claimed to be an ophthalmologist and operated on my aunty; she nearly died. Now she can't see with that left eye except the right eye that an ophthalmologist later operated on. U optometrists are quacks! Which medicine marginalizes dentistry? Liar!!! The President of the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria that is in charge of residency programme for medical doctors and dentists is a dentist - Prof Abayomi Olaitan, the Ag. Registrar of Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN), Dr T.A.B. Sanusi is a dentist. Residency training for dentists is recognized all over the world. However, this is not true for optometry except in the USA. I guess it's inferiority complex that is disturbing u. Which whole world does an optometrist have a job? An optometrist who can be employed as a marketer of eye glasses in London, is that one a noble profession? But in the western world, a general dentist makes more than his family doctor counterpart in private practice. Go and ask people if i'm lying. Nigeria Dental Association is the same as Association of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Nigeria, or Nigeria Paediatric Association all under Nigeria Medical Association. Who ever hears of these organizations separately? Nobody does! A dentist can be the president or chairman of Nigeria Medical Association (NMA). How do i know? Dr Paul Ugbodaga is a dentist but he became the chairman of NMA, Edo State branch; Drs Obimakinde and Chris Edeh became chairmen of NMA, Ekiti and Nassarawa Branches respectively. The dentist who died on his way to NMA meeting in Kano State (with medical doctors) was the president of Association of Resident Doctors, Ekiti State Teaching Hospital branch.

Mandeyy:


No optometrist has ever been a provost of college of medicine in Nigeria. Give me the name. He can be a VC but not a provost of college of medicine. This post is for medical doctors and dentists. Also, an ophthalmologist can also head an optometry dept, cos an optometrist is just a technologist to him. Optometry is not even lucrative in the private sector in Nigeria. I know many of them angling for govt jobs. Ur problem is that u don't know ur master. An optometrist claimed to be an ophthalmologist and operated on my aunty; she nearly died. Now she can't see with that left eye except the right eye that an ophthalmologist later operated on. U optometrists are quacks! Which medicine marginalizes dentistry? Liar!!! The President of the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria that is in charge of residency programme for medical doctors and dentists is a dentist - Prof Abayomi Olaitan, the Ag. Registrar of Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN), Dr T.A.B. Sanusi is a dentist. Residency training for dentists is recognized all over the world. However, this is not true for optometry except in the USA. I guess it's inferiority complex that is disturbing u. Which whole world does an optometrist have a job? An optometrist who can be employed as a marketer of eye glasses in London, is that one a noble profession? But in the western world, a general dentist makes more than his family doctor counterpart in private practice. Go and ask people if i'm lying. Nigeria Dental Association is the same as Association of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Nigeria, or Nigeria Paediatric Association all under Nigeria Medical Association. Who ever hears of these organizations separately? Nobody does! A dentist can be the president or chairman of Nigeria Medical Association (NMA). How do i know? Dr Paul Ugbodaga is a dentist but he became the chairman of NMA, Edo State branch; Drs Obimakinde and Chris Edeh became chairmen of NMA, Ekiti and Nassarawa Branches respectively. The dentist who died on his way to NMA meeting in Kano State (with medical doctors) was the president of Association of Resident Doctors, Ekiti State Teaching Hospital branch.

oga I am not arguing blindly with you. The former deputy provost of the absu college of medicine who is d current v.c is an optometrist. the current provost is an optometrist. check it out b4 parroting.
Then again ranting is sweet till I confront u with facts. General dentists make more money than genral physicians. oga you must be high!! Where are your buoyant dental clinics located, in heaven? Please with all your money, name obe successful dental clinic in Edo state. you are a compound liar.
The only hope a dentist hascof making any money is during your govt. sponsored residency. Dentistry is the poorest medical profession in Nigeria. How many people set out to actually pursue a course in dentistry?
If an optometrist in Nigeria performed surgery on your aunty's eye, report him to the police. You ignorant buffoon, even a general practitioner cannot touch the eye talk less of performing surgery on the eyes, you pathetic liar.
whenever we mention eye care you start ranting surgery like a besotted and befuddled chanter, sonI am asking uou a question:WHAT PERCENTAGE OF EYE CARE DOES SURGERY REPRESENT IN NIGERIA...less than 10%.
U r so ignorant, so let me ask you again how many proceedure u can perform as a general dentist...you hungry wannabees. You are now comparing yourself with medical doctors...pls replicatevur prowess in the private sector...
Read your write-up, your only claim to success is because u r able to head the association to which you belong...you proud that u belong to the same association with medicine. ..I laugh and ask again...how does that translate yo lucrativeness...
u guys trudge around in stupor and hunger crying for lack of residency placement and you are here yapping nonsense..
NOW THE SHOCKER: THE BIGGEST EYE CLINICS IN NIGERIA ARE OWNED BY OPTOMETRISTS. THELISH is owned by a Nigerian optometrist and Indian ophthalmologist. Dont ever compare dentistry with optometry in returns. Mention one successful dental clinic in Ekpoma your village. How many dental stand-alone clinics are successful. Dont give me thrash. Even radiography is much more lucrative than dentistry. Medicine is a super-lucrative profession, dentistry is not. Being a member of nma may give you certain priviledges in the public sector but it doesnt teanslate to money. You guys have your own dental association which nobody hears about because you have no bargaining power, and you parrot after medicine for left-overs. You are shouting that a dentist is the president of nma, which is an association to which you belong, do I brag that the president of noa is an optometrist. of course you guys gave inferiority complex. it is evident from your write-up.
Again to correct your ignorant mind, an ophthalmologist cannot head an optometry department.It has never happened and will never happen. The military eye hospital in NARHY 68 is headed by a doctor of optometry. Ask ur senior colleagues. How many locum jobs are available for the average dentist. Oga you guys are hungry. I wont advise my worst enemy to go into dentistry. Even a succesful optician's glazing lab is much more profitable than ur teeth clinic. no worry u will feed on gingival hypoplasia pxs after ur training.
U r now stupidly saying that nigerian dental association is same as subspecialty association medicine. You lying stoways. Politics brought you into the same association with medicine, but you are two different and distinct bodies. In usa, dentistry and medicine are very different schools just like medicine and optometry. Professional parasitism arising from a low dental px base has made u incapable of standing alone. U r not a medical specialty, you are dentistry. A hungry group of professionals.

Mandeyy:


No optometrist has ever been a provost of college of medicine in Nigeria. Give me the name. He can be a VC but not a provost of college of medicine. This post is for medical doctors and dentists. Also, an ophthalmologist can also head an optometry dept, cos an optometrist is just a technologist to him. Optometry is not even lucrative in the private sector in Nigeria. I know many of them angling for govt jobs. Ur problem is that u don't know ur master. An optometrist claimed to be an ophthalmologist and operated on my aunty; she nearly died. Now she can't see with that left eye except the right eye that an ophthalmologist later operated on. U optometrists are quacks! Which medicine marginalizes dentistry? Liar!!! The President of the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria that is in charge of residency programme for medical doctors and dentists is a dentist - Prof Abayomi Olaitan, the Ag. Registrar of Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN), Dr T.A.B. Sanusi is a dentist. Residency training for dentists is recognized all over the world. However, this is not true for optometry except in the USA. I guess it's inferiority complex that is disturbing u. Which whole world does an optometrist have a job? An optometrist who can be employed as a marketer of eye glasses in London, is that one a noble profession? But in the western world, a general dentist makes more than his family doctor counterpart in private practice. Go and ask people if i'm lying. Nigeria Dental Association is the same as Association of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Nigeria, or Nigeria Paediatric Association all under Nigeria Medical Association. Who ever hears of these organizations separately? Nobody does! A dentist can be the president or chairman of Nigeria Medical Association (NMA). How do i know? Dr Paul Ugbodaga is a dentist but he became the chairman of NMA, Edo State branch; Drs Obimakinde and Chris Edeh became chairmen of NMA, Ekiti and Nassarawa Branches respectively. The dentist who died on his way to NMA meeting in Kano State (with medical doctors) was the president of Association of Resident Doctors, Ekiti State Teaching Hospital branch.

Mandeyy:


No optometrist has ever been a provost of college of medicine in Nigeria. Give me the name. He can be a VC but not a provost of college of medicine. This post is for medical doctors and dentists. Also, an ophthalmologist can also head an optometry dept, cos an optometrist is just a technologist to him. Optometry is not even lucrative in the private sector in Nigeria. I know many of them angling for govt jobs. Ur problem is that u don't know ur master. An optometrist claimed to be an ophthalmologist and operated on my aunty; she nearly died. Now she can't see with that left eye except the right eye that an ophthalmologist later operated on. U optometrists are quacks! Which medicine marginalizes dentistry? Liar!!! The President of the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria that is in charge of residency programme for medical doctors and dentists is a dentist - Prof Abayomi Olaitan, the Ag. Registrar of Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN), Dr T.A.B. Sanusi is a dentist. Residency training for dentists is recognized all over the world. However, this is not true for optometry except in the USA. I guess it's inferiority complex that is disturbing u. Which whole world does an optometrist have a job? An optometrist who can be employed as a marketer of eye glasses in London, is that one a noble profession? But in the western world, a general dentist makes more than his family doctor counterpart in private practice. Go and ask people if i'm lying. Nigeria Dental Association is the same as Association of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Nigeria, or Nigeria Paediatric Association all under Nigeria Medical Association. Who ever hears of these organizations separately? Nobody does! A dentist can be the president or chairman of Nigeria Medical Association (NMA). How do i know? Dr Paul Ugbodaga is a dentist but he became the chairman of NMA, Edo State branch; Drs Obimakinde and Chris Edeh became chairmen of NMA, Ekiti and Nassarawa Branches respectively. The dentist who died on his way to NMA meeting in Kano State (with medical doctors) was the president of Association of Resident Doctors, Ekiti State Teaching Hospital branch.

oga I am not arguing blindly with you. The former deputy provost of the absu college of medicine who is d current v.c is an optometrist. the current provost is an optometrist. check it out b4 parroting.
Then again ranting is sweet till I confront u with facts. General dentists make more money than genral physicians. oga you must be high!! Where are your buoyant dental clinics located, in heaven? Please with all your money, name obe successful dental clinic in Edo state. you are a compound liar.
The only hope a dentist hascof making any money is during your govt. sponsored residency. Dentistry is the poorest medical profession in Nigeria. How many people set out to actually pursue a course in dentistry?
If an optometrist in Nigeria performed surgery on your aunty's eye, report him to the police. You ignorant buffoon, even a general practitioner cannot touch the eye talk less of performing surgery on the eyes, you pathetic liar.
whenever we mention eye care you start ranting surgery like a besotted and befuddled chanter, sonI am asking uou a question:WHAT PERCENTAGE OF EYE CARE DOES SURGERY REPRESENT IN NIGERIA...less than 10%.
U r so ignorant, so let me ask you again how many proceedure u can perform as a general dentist...you hungry wannabees. You are now comparing yourself with medical doctors...pls replicatevur prowess in the private sector...
Read your write-up, your only claim to success is because u r able to head the association to which you belong...you proud that u belong to the same association with medicine. ..I laugh and ask again...how does that translate yo lucrativeness...
u guys trudge around in stupor and hunger crying for lack of residency placement and you are here yapping nonsense..
NOW THE SHOCKER: THE BIGGEST EYE CLINICS IN NIGERIA ARE OWNED BY OPTOMETRISTS. THELISH is owned by a Nigerian optometrist and Indian ophthalmologist. Dont ever compare dentistry with optometry in returns. Mention one successful dental clinic in Ekpoma your village. How many dental stand-alone clinics are successful. Dont give me thrash. Even radiography is much more lucrative than dentistry. Medicine is a super-lucrative profession, dentistry is not. Being a member of nma may give you certain priviledges in the public sector but it doesnt teanslate to money. You guys have your own dental association which nobody hears about because you have no bargaining power, and you parrot after medicine for left-overs. You are shouting that a dentist is the president of nma, which is an association to which you belong, do I brag that the president of noa is an optometrist. of course you guys gave inferiority complex. it is evident from your write-up.
Again to correct your ignorant mind, an ophthalmologist cannot head an optometry department.It has never happened and will never happen. The military eye hospital in NARHY 68 is headed by a doctor of optometry. Ask ur senior colleagues. How many locum jobs are available for the average dentist. Oga you guys are hungry. I wont advise my worst enemy to go into dentistry. Even a succesful optician's glazing lab is much more profitable than ur teeth clinic. no worry u will feed on gingival hypoplasia pxs after ur training.

Mandeyy:


U optometrists are quacks!

Optometrists are quack yet you cannot identify an accomodative esophore.
They are quack yet cannot even identify an optic disc
They are quack yet you cannot even assess simple tear fxn
they quack yet u cannot diagnose even simple hyperopia
yet u cannot assess a simple kcs, or differentiate btw pterygium and pingueculum
you cannot assess even simple pupillary function not to talk of assessing the pupillary manifestation of neurosyphilis...in fact regarding ocular sciences you r an illiterate.
they r quack yet u have never heard of a bagollini test or keratometer
they are quack yet u cannot distinguish between a type 1and type 2 cupping...you are hopelessly deluded
you probably know nothing in neuropathology or orthoptics.not to talk of clinical optics or visual rehabilitation or ocular pathology.
You sure cannot distinguish between a retinopathy and optic neuropathy. neither can u intetprete a v.f chart or retinogram.are u not a buffon? insulting a doctor in a field you know next to nothing about.
u think clinical practice is all about carrying hammer and chisel. can you clerk an ophthalmic px.
can u interprete an ophthalmic case note.
This slowpoke that has never heard of maddox test, or fusional amplitude, or duction reserve tests, or von graffe, or contrast sensitivity test, or isihara or functional tests along with their interpretation etc amongst hundreds others is vomiting thrash...oga the only thing you know is teeth. stick to teeth. Even a general medical practitioner cannot start comparing himself to an optometrist in ocular issued, hw much less a dentist.
That being said, even if an optometrist is cleaning floors, the indisputable fact is that he is richer than s dentist. In lucrativeness dentists are comparable to opticians.
You r opening up your ignorant mouth to call dentistry a subspecialty. are you ignorant or merely being argumentative? Dentistry is a different proffesdion from medicine. It is not a specialty in medicine. you doubt need mbbs to become a dentist, u only need ur waec and jamb. U loon y r u trying to decieve people. Obstetrics and gynaecology, like other specialties in medicine require an mbbs, and a pass in the primaries. u fobt enter into neurology or internal medicine with jamb. In usa their schools are different with different exams. The inability of your comatose association to have a bargaining power independently has pushed them into obscurity.
this is the inferiority complex we talk about...DENTISTS ARE NOT MEDICAL DOCTORS.OR ARE YOU MEDICAL DOCTORS?
Ask the average dental dtudent his course of study and he will say "medicine". Are you studying medicine?
Now you are telling a useless lie, that dentistry is like obygyn as a medical specialty.
BUNCH OF HUNGRY WANABEES.

Mandeyy:


It's a big lie for u to say that eye clinics in military hospitals are run by optometrists. They're run by ophthalmologists. Stop peddling lies. What amazes me is that u know what dentistry is all about and yet u decided to lie. Dr Gary Parker is a dentist and consultant oral & maxillofacial surgeon, and also the chief medical officer of Africa Mercy ships Hospital that performs free surgeries for indigent Africans with facial tumours, cleft lips and palate, orthopaedic surgery, plastic surgery, and the rest. There're medical doctors in the hospital, yet he is the chief medical officer while an orthopedic surgeon (a medical doctor) is the assistant chief medical officer. I'm not talking of chief Executive Officer which anybody can be. chief medical officer abroad is the same as chairman, medical advisory committee (CMAC) or head of clinical services. So, it's not peculiar to Nigeria. I want to ask u: can an optometrist be a chief medical officer where there's a medical doctor as in the case above? An optometrist can never be a medical officer in an international hospital like the one above. Even in America and London u quoted, a general dentist in private practice earns higher than a family doctor let alone an optometrist. Even in Cambodia, there is a shortage of dentists called maxillofacial surgeons. See d link: https://juliemasis./2013/10/03/phnom-penh-post-nil-by-mouth-how-cambodia-is-desperate-for-oral-surgeons-operations-on-the-face-and-neck-are-extremely-delicate-and-if-done-incorrectly-the-results-can-be-disastrous-cambodia/ For african mercy chief medical officer who is a dentist, see d links: http://www.prweb.com/releases/mercy_ships_scholarship/aaoms_sfomk/prweb9905874.htm http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/school-of-dentistry-alumnus-honored-as-miracle-worker-at-sea http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/people/dr-gary-parker.aspx

What amazes me is your ignorant denial of facts. I gave you an example of NARHY 68 hospital yaba. I am not here to argue about healthcare politics with you. You are ignorantly ranting because dentistry is a beneficiary of nma's avid politicking.
Like I said before, that is where it ends.You guys have no independent bargaining power from medicine. IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE ARBITER OF PROFESSIOBAL RELEVANCE, YOU GUYS ARE THE HUNGRIEST GROUP OF PROFESSIONALS. Oga I know dentists that hv grown tired of life because they cant get residency placement. Without the placement u guys are finished and gone. Why do you think ur department takes few students? TO AVOID PRODUCING HUNGRY TEETH PROFESSIONALS.Yet even the little they produce is too much. Only few people actually go for dentistry. There is no alternative to refraction, traditional or otherwise. Traditional medicine is a valid and viable alternative for teeth issues.
oga my advice is that you should also go into other things like spritual ministry. Since you can legally bear the title 'doctor'(even though you are not a medical doctor), people may trust you enough to believe your message. Hoping to make money through residency can be very frustrating, especially in dentistry where the option of private practice is almost non-existent.
You said I know what dentistry is, trust me I do.And that's why I want to set the record straight.

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You ignorant slowpoke, is there nothing like pediatric optometry? Who are the highest beneficiaries of orthoptics? Who is at the highest risk of embedded supression and amblyopia ex anopsia. Oga swerve away from here. you know nothing. Do u know the number of proceedure you hv for paediatric ophthalmic px. How can you diagnose refractive error in an infant? How would you prescribe to prevent developmental and functional deficit....y dont you face ur teeth and hammer and leave ophthalmics alone since you are so ignorant....visual learning disorders are most common in what age group...is the paediatric eye merely a smaller version of adult eye or are there unique developmental issues with them which make them distinctly different...you are talking to a doctor...do think again.try not to mske a fool of yourself.

originbm:


What amazes me is your ignorant denial of facts. I gave you an example of NARHY 68 hospital yaba. I am not here to argue about healthcare politics with you. You are ignorantly ranting because dentistry is a beneficiary of nma's avid politicking.
Like I said before, that is where it ends.You guys have no independent bargaining power from medicine. IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE ARBITER OF PROFESSIOBAL RELEVANCE, YOU GUYS ARE THE HUNGRIEST GROUP OF PROFESSIONALS. Oga I know dentists that hv grown tired of life because they cant get residency placement. Without the placement u guys are finished and gone. Why do you think ur department takes few students? TO AVOID PRODUCING HUNGRY TEETH PROFESSIONALS.Yet even the little they produce is too much. Only few people actually go for dentistry. There is no alternative to refraction, traditional or otherwise. Traditional medicine is a valid and viable alternative for teeth issues.
oga my advice is that you should also go into other things like spritual ministry. Since you can legally bear the title 'doctor'(even though you are not a medical doctor), people may trust you enough to believe your message. Hoping to make money through residency can be very frustrating, especially in dentistry where the option of private practice is almost non-existent.
You said I know what dentistry is, trust me I do.And that's why I want to set the record straight.

Name the head of eye clinic at Nigerian army hospital who is an optometrist. I like facts. That a dentist did not get or has grown tired of life cos they couldn't get residency placement, is not peculiar to dentistry. It's applicable to both medical doctors and dentists. Nigeria can kill dreams. Medical doctors also lament about this. So, tell me something reasonable. This one is a non-issue at all! Besides, u were lying. I know u very well. U can lie like satan ur master.

originbm:



Optometrists are quack yet you cannot identify an accomodative esophore.
They are quack yet cannot even identify an optic disc
They are quack yet you cannot even assess simple tear fxn
they quack yet u cannot diagnose even simple hyperopia
yet u cannot assess a simple kcs, or differentiate btw pterygium and pingueculum
you cannot assess even simple pupillary function not to talk of assessing the pupillary manifestation of neurosyphilis...in fact regarding ocular sciences you r an illiterate.
they r quack yet u have never heard of a bagollini test or keratometer
they are quack yet u cannot distinguish between a type 1and type 2 cupping...you are hopelessly deluded
you probably know nothing in neuropathology or orthoptics.not to talk of clinical optics or visual rehabilitation or ocular pathology.
You sure cannot distinguish between a retinopathy and optic neuropathy. neither can u intetprete a v.f chart or retinogram.are u not a buffon? insulting a doctor in a field you know next to nothing about.
u think clinical practice is all about carrying hammer and chisel. can you clerk an ophthalmic px.
can u interprete an ophthalmic case note.
This slowpoke that has never heard of maddox test, or fusional amplitude, or duction reserve tests, or von graffe, or contrast sensitivity test, or isihara or functional tests along with their interpretation etc amongst hundreds others is vomiting thrash...oga the only thing you know is teeth. stick to teeth. Even a general medical practitioner cannot start comparing himself to an optometrist in ocular issued, hw much less a dentist.
That being said, even if an optometrist is cleaning floors, the indisputable fact is that he is richer than s dentist. In lucrativeness dentists are comparable to opticians.
You r opening up your ignorant mouth to call dentistry a subspecialty. are you ignorant or merely being argumentative? Dentistry is a different proffesdion from medicine. It is not a specialty in medicine. you doubt need mbbs to become a dentist, u only need ur waec and jamb. U loon y r u trying to decieve people. Obstetrics and gynaecology, like other specialties in medicine require an mbbs, and a pass in the primaries. u fobt enter into neurology or internal medicine with jamb. In usa their schools are different with different exams. The inability of your comatose association to have a bargaining power independently has pushed them into obscurity.
this is the inferiority complex we talk about...DENTISTS ARE NOT MEDICAL DOCTORS.OR ARE YOU MEDICAL DOCTORS?
Ask the average dental dtudent his course of study and he will say "medicine". Are you studying medicine?
Now you are telling a useless lie, that dentistry is like obygyn as a medical specialty.
BUNCH OF HUNGRY WANABEES.

Did i ever tell u that dentists are medical doctors? I didn't. Dentists are dental surgeons or can as well be called dental doctors. That is what they are. I don't lie like u. Dentists also need a pass in primaries just like medical specialties to pursue residency training in dentistry. I believe u're highly ignorant. I've showed links of Dr Mabel Etetafia who led other dentists who are consultant oral & maxillofacial surgeons to operate on a 12-yr old boy with facial tumor in Delta State who would have died of suffocation or blindness. I also gave links to Dr Gary Parker, the chief medical officer of Africa Mercy Ships Hospital who is doing wonders. I like telling the truth, but as for u, it has always been lies u revel in peddling. Come up with facts. Be reasonable for once. I'm done with u. Nobody can dispute everything i said here about dentistry, but people can dispute 90% of what u said here about optometry.

originbm:




oga I am not arguing blindly with you. The former deputy provost of the absu college of medicine who is d current v.c is an optometrist. the current provost is an optometrist. check it out b4 parroting.
Then again ranting is sweet till I confront u with facts. General dentists make more money than genral physicians. oga you must be high!! Where are your buoyant dental clinics located, in heaven? Please with all your money, name obe successful dental clinic in Edo state. you are a compound liar.
The only hope a dentist hascof making any money is during your govt. sponsored residency. Dentistry is the poorest medical profession in Nigeria. How many people set out to actually pursue a course in dentistry?
If an optometrist in Nigeria performed surgery on your aunty's eye, report him to the police. You ignorant buffoon, even a general practitioner cannot touch the eye talk less of performing surgery on the eyes, you pathetic liar.
whenever we mention eye care you start ranting surgery like a besotted and befuddled chanter, sonI am asking uou a question:WHAT PERCENTAGE OF EYE CARE DOES SURGERY REPRESENT IN NIGERIA...less than 10%.
U r so ignorant, so let me ask you again how many proceedure u can perform as a general dentist...you hungry wannabees. You are now comparing yourself with medical doctors...pls replicatevur prowess in the private sector...
Read your write-up, your only claim to success is because u r able to head the association to which you belong...you proud that u belong to the same association with medicine. ..I laugh and ask again...how does that translate yo lucrativeness...
u guys trudge around in stupor and hunger crying for lack of residency placement and you are here yapping nonsense..
NOW THE SHOCKER: THE BIGGEST EYE CLINICS IN NIGERIA ARE OWNED BY OPTOMETRISTS. THELISH is owned by a Nigerian optometrist and Indian ophthalmologist. Dont ever compare dentistry with optometry in returns. Mention one successful dental clinic in Ekpoma your village. How many dental stand-alone clinics are successful. Dont give me thrash. Even radiography is much more lucrative than dentistry. Medicine is a super-lucrative profession, dentistry is not. Being a member of nma may give you certain priviledges in the public sector but it doesnt teanslate to money. You guys have your own dental association which nobody hears about because you have no bargaining power, and you parrot after medicine for left-overs. You are shouting that a dentist is the president of nma, which is an association to which you belong, do I brag that the president of noa is an optometrist. of course you guys gave inferiority complex. it is evident from your write-up.
Again to correct your ignorant mind, an ophthalmologist cannot head an optometry department.It has never happened and will never happen. The military eye hospital in NARHY 68 is headed by a doctor of optometry. Ask ur senior colleagues. How many locum jobs are available for the average dentist. Oga you guys are hungry. I wont advise my worst enemy to go into dentistry. Even a succesful optician's glazing lab is much more profitable than ur teeth clinic. no worry u will feed on gingival hypoplasia pxs after ur training.

I meant abroad. General dentists make more money in private practice both in America and the UK than family physicians, and i wasn't lying about it. When it comes to specialization, a greater percentage of medical specialties make more money than dental specialties, but when u check the years spent in training, it almost tends to be nearly the same for the two professions abroad. I didn't lie. Ok, name the current provost who is an optometrist; give out the name here so that i will check the provost's qualification. Thank God u said the VC was the former deputy provost. Any professor in the college of medicine who is not a medical doctor or dentist can be a deputy provost but not a provost. I'm 100% sure of this. Be truthful for once. Write down the current provost's name, and the whole world will see he's a medical doctor and not an optometrist.

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If an optometrist in Nigeria performed surgery on your aunty's eye, report him to the police. You ignorant buffoon, even a general practitioner cannot touch the eye talk less of performing surgery on the eyes, you pathetic liar.
whenever we mention eye care you start ranting surgery like a besotted and befuddled chanter, sonI am asking uou a question:WHAT PERCENTAGE OF EYE CARE DOES SURGERY REPRESENT IN NIGERIA...less than 10%.)


The optometrist came to the village and did the operation in one primary school. it was later we discovered that he was an optometrist and not an ophthalmogist. she lost a lot of blood and even fainted. It was when ophthalmologists who were offering free surgery came that we took her to a teaching hospital where it was properly done and she started seeing with the right eye. it was just cataract. Before she was seeing a little bit with the left eye, but after the optometrist did the damage, she said she could not see at all again. it was luck that shone on us when a free eye surgery was announced on the radio and we thereafter took her back. she still complains about the left eye till today. Where is the lie?

originbm:


oga I am not arguing blindly with you. The former deputy provost of the absu college of medicine who is d current v.c is an optometrist. the current provost is an optometrist. check it out b4 parroting.
Then again ranting is sweet till I confront u with facts. General dentists make more money than genral physicians. oga you must be high!! Where are your buoyant dental clinics located, in heaven? Please with all your money, name obe successful dental clinic in Edo state. you are a compound liar.
The only hope a dentist hascof making any money is during your govt. sponsored residency. Dentistry is the poorest medical profession in Nigeria. How many people set out to actually pursue a course in dentistry?
If an optometrist in Nigeria performed surgery on your aunty's eye, report him to the police. You ignorant buffoon, even a general practitioner cannot touch the eye talk less of performing surgery on the eyes, you pathetic liar.
whenever we mention eye care you start ranting surgery like a besotted and befuddled chanter, sonI am asking uou a question:WHAT PERCENTAGE OF EYE CARE DOES SURGERY REPRESENT IN NIGERIA...less than 10%.
U r so ignorant, so let me ask you again how many proceedure u can perform as a general dentist...you hungry wannabees. You are now comparing yourself with medical doctors...pls replicatevur prowess in the private sector...
Read your write-up, your only claim to success is because u r able to head the association to which you belong...you proud that u belong to the same association with medicine. ..I laugh and ask again...how does that translate yo lucrativeness...
u guys trudge around in stupor and hunger crying for lack of residency placement and you are here yapping nonsense..
NOW THE SHOCKER: THE BIGGEST EYE CLINICS IN NIGERIA ARE OWNED BY OPTOMETRISTS. THELISH is owned by a Nigerian optometrist and Indian ophthalmologist. Dont ever compare dentistry with optometry in returns. Mention one successful dental clinic in Ekpoma your village. How many dental stand-alone clinics are successful. Dont give me thrash. Even radiography is much more lucrative than dentistry. Medicine is a super-lucrative profession, dentistry is not. Being a member of nma may give you certain priviledges in the public sector but it doesnt teanslate to money. You guys have your own dental association which nobody hears about because you have no bargaining power, and you parrot after medicine for left-overs. You are shouting that a dentist is the president of nma, which is an association to which you belong, do I brag that the president of noa is an optometrist. of course you guys gave inferiority complex. it is evident from your write-up.
Again to correct your ignorant mind, an ophthalmologist cannot head an optometry department.It has never happened and will never happen. The military eye hospital in NARHY 68 is headed by a doctor of optometry. Ask ur senior colleagues. How many locum jobs are available for the average dentist. Oga you guys are hungry. I wont advise my worst enemy to go into dentistry. Even a succesful optician's glazing lab is much more profitable than ur teeth clinic. no worry u will feed on gingival hypoplasia pxs after ur training.
U r now stupidly saying that nigerian dental association is same as subspecialty association medicine. You lying stoways. Politics brought you into the same association with medicine, but you are two different and distinct bodies. In usa, dentistry and medicine are very different schools just like medicine and optometry. Professional parasitism arising from a low dental px base has made u incapable of standing alone. U r not a medical specialty, you are dentistry. A hungry group of professionals.

Stop lying. Just give out the name of the optometrist heading the military eye hospital so that i can verify. I like facts. if that's not done by u, then u're the biggest liar. Besides there has never been a dept of optometry in any private or public hospital in Nigeria. what exits is dept of ophthalmology in which u now have an optometrist doing the work of a technologist to an ophthalmologist who directs him on what to do. in that military hospital u mentioned, there is nothing like dept of optometry let alone an optometrist heading the eye hospital. I've checked it. Stop peddling lies here, biko!

Am neither a dentist or optometrist. since av been following this thread origbim as Neva provide a link or prove for all his point. u were just saying dentist has no place to work or u say they are poor

I laff in Spanish go to Ajah or Ojo dat u want to see a dentist. the queue u will see there is like.... and the way they charge was like hell. u av no option than to wait and then pay.
mind u av experience a lot with them. At times they are so busy that they won't attend to u. so u av to see them on appointment.

Dentist is a great proffesion, take it or leave it. my Uncle is a medical Doctor. wen his dentist friend and his mate came to visit him on Sunday atimes, I do listen to their discussion, I heard my brother saying if he has chance again, he will prefer dentistry than any medical proffesion, he say though their workload is really much compare to medicine when in school. buh the reward after it really worth it. I once ask him wat he meant by dis?
he said in Nigeria Dentistry is like u studying medicine + dental course except Obs and Gyn. though I dont know the meaning of Obs and Gyn.
whenever they are saying their medical terms, the dentist also contributed to their discussion buh once the dentist start his own they will be asking him wat he meant by dat.
that were I now believe that is true a dentistry is both medicine+dental courses

My uncle friend works in 3 hospitals. he works with government hospital as his normal job also he work with other two private hospital on appointment. so saying they have no job to do. is a very very big fat lie. now can u imagine how much will be his monthly salary altogether. so saying they are poor is a wrong info.

though I avnt seen an optometrist before buh with d view I see a dentist, dentist is a great proffesion.

mind u am not saying optometrist is not a great course buh I was given my little view on dentist, depending on wat I av seen.
forgive my ignorance.

Cosmode:
Am neither a dentist or optometrist. since av been following this thread origbim as Neva provide a link or prove for all his point. u were just saying dentist has no place to work or u say they are poor

I laff in Spanish go to Ajah or Ojo dat u want to see a dentist. the queue u will see there is like.... and the way they charge was like hell. u av no option than to wait and then pay.
mind u av experience a lot with them. At times they are so busy that they won't attend to u. so u av to see them on appointment.

Dentist is a great proffesion, take it or leave it. my Uncle is a medical Doctor. wen his dentist friend and his mate came to visit him on Sunday atimes, I do listen to their discussion, I heard my brother saying if he has chance again, he will prefer dentistry than any medical proffesion, he say though their workload is really much compare to medicine when in school. buh the reward after it really worth it. I once ask him wat he meant by dis?
he said in Nigeria Dentistry is like u studying medicine + dental course except Obs and Gyn. though I dont know the meaning of Obs and Gyn.
whenever they are saying their medical terms, the dentist also contributed to their discussion buh once the dentist start his own they will be asking him wat he meant by dat.
that were I now believe that is true a dentistry is both medicine+dental courses

My uncle friend works in 3 hospitals. he works with government hospital as his normal job also he work with other two private hospital on appointment. so saying they have no job to do. is a very very big fat lie. now can u imagine how much will be his monthly salary altogether. so saying they are poor is a wrong info.

though I avnt seen an optometrist before buh with d view I see a dentist, dentist is a great proffesion.

mind u am not saying optometrist is not a great course buh I was given my little view on dentist, depending on wat I av seen.
forgive my ignorance.

Most of originbm arguments are based on assumptions..He will still come up with counter-opinion.

Physiotherspists no dey this thread? Abi na only dentists and optometrists get the fight? Abeg you people should show here and defend una profession fast!

Mandeyy:


Stop lying. Just give out the name of the optometrist heading the military eye hospital so that i can verify. I like facts. if that's not done by u, then u're the biggest liar. Besides there has never been a dept of optometry in any private or public hospital in Nigeria. what exits is dept of ophthalmology in which u now have an optometrist doing the work of a technologist to an ophthalmologist who directs him on what to do. in that military hospital u mentioned, there is nothing like dept of optometry let alone an optometrist heading the eye hospital. I've checked it. Stop peddling lies here, biko!

you r the bigger fool. Since you can verify, why dont u ask for the head of the 68 army reference head of the eye clinic at yaba. His name is LT (Dr)Nwankwo . Go and verify and come and spin thrash again.If you hv colleagues there ask them.

Cosmode:
Am neither a dentist or optometrist. since av been following this thread origbim as Neva provide a link or prove for all his point. u were just saying dentist has no place to work or u say they are poor

I laff in Spanish go to Ajah or Ojo dat u want to see a dentist. the queue u will see there is like.... and the way they charge was like hell. u av no option than to wait and then pay.
mind u av experience a lot with them. At times they are so busy that they won't attend to u. so u av to see them on appointment.

Dentist is a great proffesion, take it or leave it. my Uncle is a medical Doctor. wen his dentist friend and his mate came to visit him on Sunday atimes, I do listen to their discussion, I heard my brother saying if he has chance again, he will prefer dentistry than any medical proffesion, he say though their workload is really much compare to medicine when in school. buh the reward after it really worth it. I once ask him wat he meant by dis?
he said in Nigeria Dentistry is like u studying medicine + dental course except Obs and Gyn. though I dont know the meaning of Obs and Gyn.
whenever they are saying their medical terms, the dentist also contributed to their discussion buh once the dentist start his own they will be asking him wat he meant by dat.
that were I now believe that is true a dentistry is both medicine+dental courses

My uncle friend works in 3 hospitals. he works with government hospital as his normal job also he work with other two private hospital on appointment. so saying they have no job to do. is a very very big fat lie. now can u imagine how much will be his monthly salary altogether. so saying they are poor is a wrong info.

though I avnt seen an optometrist before buh with d view I see a dentist, dentist is a great proffesion.

mind u am not saying optometrist is not a great course buh I was given my little view on dentist, depending on wat I av seen.
forgive my ignorance.

haha, a dentist or dental student is talking in codes. This busy dentists where are they. In army refernce hospitals, dental depts close earliest from lack of pxs. oga where in ur beffudled imagination can u compare a medical doctor in a specialty like obygyn to a dentist. The dentist runs locum in three hospitals abi...clap 4 urself. I have dentist friends also.z I have shadowed dental profession, so I am speaking out of experience. Dentistry IS NOT LUCRATIVE HERE. once in a while you can perform those cerebrally stimulaying chirugeries they so much love to tout. And again performing oral surgery, granted is difficult due to the enhanced need for eye-hand coordination. But the problem is, it is not lucrative.
I guess u r a dental student, trying to one-up an arguement by claiming neutrality. I am in Lagos, I can rattle 10 mega eye clinics to one dental u can call.
Suprisingly u know about dental clinics but not eye clinics. You are laughing in spanish, might that be the language of professional starvation? One dental clinic I know , after jibowu, is just like a barber's shop. Few dental clinics(and I mean few) may be busy in Lagos, because it is Lagos but they are no where comparable to an eye clinic.
Medical programme is not that rigorous, so you can add a few courses along side it. It is nothing heroic. The rigour of medicine is embedded in their specialties. simple. the next be sincere enough to stand by your profession in a forum like this. nobody will eat you for defending your course.

Mandeyy:


Stop lying. Just give out the name of the optometrist heading the military eye hospital so that i can verify. I like facts. if that's not done by u, then u're the biggest liar. Besides there has never been a dept of optometry in any private or public hospital in Nigeria. what exits is dept of ophthalmology in which u now have an optometrist doing the work of a technologist to an ophthalmologist who directs him on what to do. in that military hospital u mentioned, there is nothing like dept of optometry let alone an optometrist heading the eye hospital. I've checked it. Stop peddling lies here, biko!

you r the bigger fool. Since you can verify, why dont u ask for the head of the 68 army reference head of the eye clinic at yaba. His name is LT (Dr)Nwankwo . Go and verify and come and spin thrash again.If you hv colleagues there ask them.
And you loghead, there is no dept of ophthalmology or optometrist there. It is called the Eye Clinic department.

Mandeyy:


Name the head of eye clinic at Nigerian army hospital who is an optometrist. I like facts. That a dentist did not get or has grown tired of life cos they couldn't get residency placement, is not peculiar to dentistry. It's applicable to both medical doctors and dentists. Nigeria can kill dreams. Medical doctors also lament about this. So, tell me something reasonable. This one is a non-issue at all! Besides, u were lying. I know u very well. U can lie like satan ur master.

His name is Lt (Dr) Nwankwo.Head of Nigerian Army Reference Hospital 68 Eye Clinic Department Every staff of ministry of defence working there are optometrists. Go verify, then eat your stinking words.
Dentists are worse of than medical doctors by far. No comparison. A medical doctor may settle as a gp and still earn tonnes of money while a general dentist will most certainly go hungry.
I dont have to kill ur dreams, hunger will if u dont get a residency.
Obviously satan is your father, so u know his servants so easily.

Mandeyy:


Did i ever tell u that dentists are medical doctors? I didn't. Dentists are dental surgeons or can as well be called dental doctors. That is what they are. I don't lie like u. Dentists also need a pass in primaries just like medical specialties to pursue residency training in dentistry. I believe u're highly ignorant. I've showed links of Dr Mabel Etetafia who led other dentists who are consultant oral & maxillofacial surgeons to operate on a 12-yr old boy with facial tumor in Delta State who would have died of suffocation or blindness. I also gave links to Dr Gary Parker, the chief medical officer of Africa Mercy Ships Hospital who is doing wonders. I like telling the truth, but as for u, it has always been lies u revel in peddling. Come up with facts. Be reasonable for once. I'm done with u. Nobody can dispute everything i said here about dentistry, but people can dispute 90% of what u said here about optometry.

Oga, this thread is about lucrativeness and nothing else. I peddle lies, yet you cant name a successful dental clinic in Edo state. You guys are the peddlers of lies seeking to reap where you did not so. We are talking about lucrativenes and you are telling me story of how Mabel saved a life. Just last week we sent a px who thought he had asthenopic headache for a ct scan only to discover she had a cerebral adenoma. We had to refer to Luth for surgery. Everyone does there part in health care to save lives. But that is not the point here. An optometrist is a doctor in the field of eye and vision care. What can you dispute about my assertions. It is clear as air that optometry is more lucrative than dentistry. Dentistry merely vollects more salary in the public sector. The proof is everywhere, res ipsar loquitor.
U ask for facts...In Benin city name a dental clinic as big as prime opticals, mayos or Daniel and Davids. Learn to gollow the points in dispute in an arguement. You raising issues not in bearing or related at all to the point in question.

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You bufoon, your aunty gave her eyes to a dentist who nearly got her blind.Since you are educated why didnt you report to the police or take it up?Despite the rivalry between opthalmologists and optometrists no oneYou bufoon, your stupid aunty gave her eyes to a dentist who nearly got her blind. You as an educated person, y didnt you report to the police or take it up. Despite the rivalry btw optometrists and ophthalmologists, u will never hear any malpractice case against any optometrist in Nigeria. And this is because of their training. With the hatred u guys hv for ODs you should have put on the newspapers. Go and check out your archives, no single malpractice suit or sexual harrassment suit has ever been brought against any optometrist like in some other medical specialties. Even ophthalmologists can botch a cataract surgery leading to complications like infective endophthalmitis. U cant do anything because their license covers the proceedure, unless u can proove negligence.
Why would an optometrist want to perform cataract surgery when he is not done with the gazillion of proceedures weighing him down in his own part.A cataract extraction cost about 50-100k for one eye, is that money? Hahaha...u guys are funny sha. That is money for one Oct scan, or for 3 normal lens prescriptions or 2 verilux prescriptions.The optometrist does the pre- op and post-op management of the cataract px. Only a dentist can think up this lunatic story, because they think surgery=money.
Go and tell your aunty to give her eyes to couching experts again or dentists again, because with their know-it-all syndrome I am sure they can try it.

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You bufoon, your stupid aunty gave her eyes to a dentist who nearly got her blind. You as an educated person, y didnt you report to the police or take it up. Despite the rivalry btw optometrists and ophthalmologists, u will never hear any malpractice case against any optometrist in Nigeria. And this is because of their training. With the hatred u guys hv for ODs you should have put on the newspapers. Go and check out your archives, no single malpractice suit or sexual harrassment suit has ever been brought against any optometrist like in some other medical specialties. Even ophthalmologists can botch a cataract surgery leading to complications like infective endophthalmitis. U cant do anything because their license covers the proceedure, unless u can proove negligence.
Why would an optometrist want to perform cataract surgery when he is not done with the gazillion of proceedures weighing him down in his own part.A cataract extraction cost about 50-100k for one eye, is that money? Hahaha...u guys are funny sha. That is money for one Oct scan, or for 3 normal lens prescriptions or 2 verilux prescriptions.The optometrist does the pre- op and post-op management of the cataract px. Only a dentist can think up this lunatic story, because they think surgery=money.
Go and tell your aunty to give her eyes to couching experts again or dentists again, because with their know-it-all syndrome I am sure they can try it.

Now I see how deaf and dumb this origbim abi wetin be your name. I thought you call urself an optometry student and you can't treat yourself from your internal blindness. I now see u are lacking ability to see, read, assimilate and interprete.

For your information am neither a Dentist or dental student I just finish my sec school this year. I will be a jambite next year, so In Sha Allah I will be writing jamb next year. U think if am a dental student, I will come here discussing a stupid topic with an ignorant guy like you. u don't know, instead of you to calm down and learn you are here disgracing yourself with your stupid thought.
You are here abusing someone sister, this has plainly show how immature you are, I even think u are a responsible guy not knowing u are such an ignorant guy. All your fact are Lies, u are just here piling up series of lies just to backup your stupid thought. Am here waiting for your next episode of Lie.
Even if u are to backup ur ironic fact, u don't av right to abuse someone Aunt.
Upon all your ranting I don't even see a point to hold upto than Lies. I will rather choose Medical lab than optometry in my jamb, if jamb say I can choose my 6th choice may be I can now choose optometry as my 6th choice in jamb.
Get my fact well optometry is nothing than technicians working under Opthalmologist. Dentist are boss on their own. Am very sure you are still a student, and you are trying to make urself happy, for not gaining admission into medicine or dentistry unfortunately u are lucky u are given optometry. Thanks your star at least u are still a technician to your boss (Opthalmologist).
This boy can lie ooo, If truely your course worth the pride u trying to buy for yourself, you will not need so much stress to defend it with that much with lie. people around you will defend it for u. Dental technician are slave boy to dentist, as well optometrist are slave boy to Opthalmologist take it or leave. don't worry wen u finish your study you will know the truth then, my advice for you is to start selling biscuits and sweets by now may be by the time u finish your study, u might av make it with the biscuit and sweet rather than been a slave to your boss(Opthalmologist).
Am still a jambite and am very sure it seem i even know more in your field than you yourself. Well I like your courage, u were trying to make yourself happy, keep it up. But next time do it in a polite way and not immature way.
Let me remind you this, Medical Doctor and Dentist are the only medical practitioner that can make diagnosis and make prescription, Only both of them can claim to be call Dr. and not the slave optometry.

Am waiting for your next episode of lie or Abusive words.

Cosmode:
Now I see how deaf and dumb this origbim abi wetin be your name. I thought you call urself an optometry student and you can't treat yourself from your internal blindness. I now see u are lacking ability to see, read, assimilate and interprete.

For your information am neither a Dentist or dental student I just finish my sec school this year. I will be a jambite next year, so In Sha Allah I will be writing jamb next year. U think if am a dental student, I will come here discussing a stupid topic with an ignorant guy like you. u don't know, instead of you to calm down and learn you are here disgracing yourself with your stupid thought.
You are here abusing someone sister, this has plainly show how immature you are, I even think u are a responsible guy not knowing u are such an ignorant guy. All your fact are Lies, u are just here piling up series of lies just to backup your stupid thought. Am here waiting for your next episode of Lie.
Even if u are to backup ur ironic fact, u don't av right to abuse someone Aunt.
Upon all your ranting I don't even see a point to hold upto than Lies. I will rather choose Medical lab than optometry in my jamb, if jamb say I can choose my 6th choice may be I can now choose optometry as my 6th choice in jamb.
Get my fact well optometry is nothing than technicians working under Opthalmologist. Dentist are boss on their own. Am very sure you are still a student, and you are trying to make urself happy, for not gaining admission into medicine or dentistry unfortunately u are lucky u are given optometry. Thanks your star at least u are still a technician to your boss (Opthalmologist).
This boy can lie ooo, If truely your course worth the pride u trying to buy for yourself, you will not need so much stress to defend it with that much with lie. people around you will defend it for u. Dental technician are slave boy to dentist, as well optometrist are slave boy to Opthalmologist take it or leave. don't worry wen u finish your study you will know the truth then, my advice for you is to start selling biscuits and sweets by now may be by the time u finish your study, u might av make it with the biscuit and sweet rather than been a slave to your boss(Opthalmologist).
Am still a jambite and am very sure it seem i even know more in your field than you yourself. Well I like your courage, u were trying to make yourself happy, keep it up. But next time do it in a polite way and not immature way.
Let me remind you this, Medical Doctor and Dentalso ist are the only medical practitioner that can make diagnosis and make prescription, Only both of them can claim to be call Dr. and not the slave optometry.

Am waiting for your next episode of lie or Abusive words.

bro please no need for the abusive words, I am also not a dentist nor an optometrist but I have been monitoring this thread and I also know a thing or two about optometry, i get the fact that u probably met a successful dentist but I don't see why u can call optometrist slaves when u have never met 1, a few months back a free eye test was conducted at my area and note please this test was not conducted by opthalmologist o but optometrist I did hear of any opthalmologist being in that hospital, despite the test being called free we still had to pay #500 to see the eye doctors, men u have to see the queue that day, u can't call optometrist slave or technicians they are bosses on their own it is just that they can't do surgery on eye just as a dentist can not perform oral maxilofacial surgery without being adequately trained so also how do u expect an optometrist to perform these surgery when they were not trained u say only dentist and doctors prescribe drugs, go to any standard hospital and once u have an eye defect u will immediately be redirected to an optometrist not an opthalmologist, please don't get me wrong here I am not saying dentistry is a bad course, I myself believe it is a great course but because dentistry is great it doesn't make optometry bad, the truth remains in private practice optometry is better I have not seen anyone going to the dentist for any reason in my family except once when my brother's wife had gone for tooth extract which didn't even cost that much, but when a family friend of ours had eye problem I know how much was spent just to resolve the issue, let's us not argue on a simple issue it all depends on one passion if u love dentistry then go 4 it, if optometry then do it they are both good courses

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You bufoon, your stupid aunty gave her eyes to a dentist who nearly got her blind. You as an educated person, y didnt you report to the police or take it up. Despite the rivalry btw optometrists and ophthalmologists, u will never hear any malpractice case against any optometrist in Nigeria. And this is because of their training. With the hatred u guys hv for ODs you should have put on the newspapers. Go and check out your archives, no single malpractice suit or sexual harrassment suit has ever been brought against any optometrist like in some other medical specialties. Even ophthalmologists can botch a cataract surgery leading to complications like infective endophthalmitis. U cant do anything because their license covers the proceedure, unless u can proove negligence.
Why would an optometrist want to perform cataract surgery when he is not done with the gazillion of proceedures weighing him down in his own part.A cataract extraction cost about 50-100k for one eye, is that money? Hahaha...u guys are funny sha. That is money for one Oct scan, or for 3 normal lens prescriptions or 2 verilux prescriptions.The optometrist does the pre- op and post-op management of the cataract px. Only a dentist can think up this lunatic story, because they think surgery=money.
Go and tell your aunty to give her eyes to couching experts again or dentists again, because with their know-it-all syndrome I am sure they can try it.

This origbingbi is such a dumb. How will someone gave her eye to dentist, does that make sense to you, I even wonder how you even gain admission in the first place. very soon you will still come here with a claim that optomerist can perform all eye surgery so far your license covers every thing.
Since all this discussion has start, have never seen anybody supporting you even your fellow colleagues in optometry, this is because everyone knows the truth. Your mates are out there looking for a way to convert to medicine or dentistry because they want people to call them Doctor, you are there wasting ur time on OPTOSLAVE. you are using style to claim the work of an Opthalmologist, don't worry continue, you will soon be arrested none of us here will come for ur rescue. Infact I don't even think this guy even know his job. let me tell you one of your job, if you don't know. One of your job is to follow the order prescribe by your boss(Opthalmologist). Hahahaha that will surprise you that how did I know?

Is because of you OPTOSLAVE that we are having people going blind In the hospital , you will be claiming what you are not, after you spoiling the eye finish, you will now refer them to your boss(Opthalmologist). Dentist are the boss in their field no one to refer to. Av u ever seen a dentist working on the stomach or Ear? No. Because they are specialist in their field and they know their job unlike you optometrist claiming overhype to their boss.
If you people don't behave yourselve well, don't be surprised that they will cancel your council with all the rubbish claim you are claiming, we have Opthalmologist to take over everything without any problem. Dentist are the boss in the field, No one to take up their work, they are master of their own. OPTOSLAVE are slave to their master Opthalmologist. I will rather gain admission to study Biochemistry than Optometry. Optician are even better than you Slaves. 100k for a cataract or wat are u saying, surgery for cataract is the work of an Opthalmologist not optometrist. ur work is to assist, nothing more than that.
Lolzzz. I will tell you more of your work later, buh for better understanding of your job, Go and ask a slave what is her work to his Master, then you will know your job better.

what I av been hearing is medical and dental council of Nigeria and not medical and OPTOSLAVE council of Nigeria.
cos they knew u people are just camouflage in the desk of an Opthalmologist. When a dentist become the CMD of an hospital what will you people be, I guess a senior SLAVE to in the Eye clinic. Am very sure that is not the course you really want to do, is either you have no option or you are given optometry due to your low score during admission process when running after the bus of Medicine or dentistry. Is a pity don't worry, u can try again instead of u just making yourself happy unnecessarily. is never too late.

OPTOSLAVE pls go and change now is too late. don't say I don't tell you ooo.The public already know the truth, Thank God this thread came up, so that people can know more about you SLAVES people spoiling people Eyes claiming to be a Doctor. with this I know I av save some EYES today. Watch ppl you give your eyes oo if not Opthalmologist he can never be an Opthalmologist.
I know some good optometrist will accept what they are while some stubborn among them will claim to steal the work of their Boss.

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I get your point. the same goes to dentist. I think around June this year a program was hold in Shomolu Local government at Lagos.. where dentist are doing free check up. come and see the queue, even they were unable to attend to all for that day same goes the next day.
Dentist are boss in the field not optometrist waiting for order from their boss. optometrist is never allow to perform any surgery.
they are just to check and then redirect to their oga if any surgery or complications is involved. Why will I be an optometrist when I know I can be a medical doctor and them specialize in Opthalmology.
In public setting Dentist is all the way
Even In private setting I will go for dentistry. The private dental clinic I know are always busy I know of one opposite LASU. you may go there and see yourself. I know one along Ajah. go there and view the the queue. Ur condition will determined the amount you will spend, so u spending little in dental clinic and much in eye clinic, the severity of your condition determined your payment. Have you go for brace before? then u will know how cost dentist also bills. u cant expect the cure of dysentery to be more than AIDS. so it's depend on the condition.
you not needing dental care doesn't mean everyone dont need. None of my friend has ever fall victim of eye clinic before buh I av follow 2 of my friends to a dental clinics.
Even if am to visit an eye clinic I will prefer an expert to work on me and not these left over optoslave.

How will origbin now come here and be ranting and abusing someone here, I was even trying to give my little points, he was tell me rubbish, am a hidden dentist or dental student. if I am a dental student, u think I will come here discussing rubbish with you, when my hand are already in work.