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| Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by cornelboy(f): 10:05pm On May 31, 2022 |
In Surah 38:21-26 we read the following story about King David: Has the Story of the Disputants reached thee? Behold, they climbed over the wall of the private chamber; When they entered the presence of David, and he was terrified of them, they said: "Fear not: we are two disputants, one of whom has wronged the other: Decide now between us with truth, and treat us not with injustice, but guide us to the even Path. "This man is my brother: He has nine and ninety ewes, and I have (but) one: Yet he says, ‘commit her to my care,’ and is (moreover) harsh to me in speech." (David) said: "He has undoubtedly wronged thee in demanding thy (single) ewe to be added to his (flock of) ewes: truly many are the partners (in business) who wrong each other: Not so do those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and how few are they?" ... and David gathered that We had tried him: he asked forgiveness of his Lord, fell down, bowing (in prostration), and turned (to Allah in repentance). So We forgave him this (lapse): he enjoyed, indeed, a Near Approach to Us, and a beautiful place of (Final) Return. O David! We did indeed make thee a vicegerent on earth: so judge thou between men in truth (and justice): Nor follow thou the lusts (of thy heart), for they will mislead thee from the Path of Allah: for those who wander astray from the Path of Allah, is a Penalty Grievous, for that they forget the Day of Account. (Yusuf Ali's translation) Is Sura 38:21-26 revealed to Mohammed or it was just Mohammed's brain work? The next paragraph presents a summary of the story as it is reported in 2 Samuel 11: David discovers Bathsheba, a beautiful woman and the wife of Uriah, who is currently abroad fighting in David's army. Although David knows that she is married, he sends for her, sleeps with her and she becomes pregnant. David seeks to cover up his sin, and calls Uriah home from the war front, hoping that he would sleep with his wife. However, the plan fails, Uriah is an upright man and refuses to enjoy the company of his wife while his comrades are fighting. Not knowing what else to do, David sends Uriah back to war front and gives instructions to the general that he should place Uriah in the very front lines where he would certainly be killed. This plan succeeds. Uriah dies. Chapter 11 concludes with verse 27: After the time of mourning was over, David had her brought to his house, and she became his wife and bore him a son. But the thing David had done displeased the LORD. This background information is completely missing from the Qur'an. We will have to ask: Why? The event that follows after David's adultery and the murder of Uriah, is presented in both books, though with many and considerable differences between the Qur'an and the Bible. The Bible continues with this report: 1 The LORD sent Nathan to David. When he came to him, he said, "There were two men in a certain town, one rich and the other poor. 2 The rich man had a very large number of sheep and cattle, 3 but the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up with him and his children. It shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms. It was like a daughter to him. 4 "Now a traveler came to the rich man, but the rich man refrained from taking one of his own sheep or cattle to prepare a meal for the traveler who had come to him. Instead, he took the ewe lamb that belonged to the poor man and prepared it for the one who had come to him." 5 David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, "As surely as the LORD lives, the man who did this deserves to die! 6 He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity." 7 Then Nathan said to David, "You are the man! This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 7 I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. 9 Why did you despise the word of the LORD by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10 Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.' 11 "This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' " 13 Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD ." Nathan replied, "The LORD has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. 14 But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt, the son born to you will die." (2 Samuel 12:1-14) (Continued).. |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by cornelboy(f): 10:06pm On May 31, 2022 |
After having become familiar with the Biblical record, carefully read Surah 38:21-26 again. What are the most striking differences? Many observations could be made. A few examples are: Muhammad turns Nathan's parable into a historical event. The specific numbers of the 99 sheep and the one sheep were imported from Jesus' parable in Luke 15:3-7. Several details presented in the account of the Qur'an are hardly credible, even if we did not know the Biblical original. The reader of the Qur'an recognizes that David committed some kind of sin, since David has to ask for forgiveness, but is left completely in the dark what sin he had to be forgiven for. The story as written makes little sense if one does not know the Biblical background Most striking are two omissions. The first is the removal of the Prophet Nathan from the story. The second one is that the sin of David is not named. As before, we ask: What could be the reason for those differences found in the Qur'an when compared to the Biblical record? The second one is answered easily: Muhammad could not let David be judged explicitly for taking another man's wife, after killing her husband, even though he already had several wives. Why not? Because Muhammad had done this himself. Obviously, such a grave charge needs evidence. Some examples: Muhammad had Kinana tortured and killed, and within a few days marries his beautiful wife Safiyya Muhammad married Raihana, a celebrated beauty who also had lost her husband at Mohammed's hands. Zainab was the wife of Zaid, Muhammad's adopted son. One day Muhammad was struck by the beauty of Zainab. Soon after, Zaid divorced Zainab, and Muhammad married her. This caused an absolute scandal at the time. A revelation came to the aid of Muhammad and gave divine sanction (Surah 33:37) to this gross violation of moral standards. No wonder, Muhammad did not want to mention any details regarding the sin of David! His own sins were too similar, and multiplied many times over in comparison to David. Nor did Muhammad want to mention the serious punishment that David received for his disobedience. In the Qur'an, David only had to prostrate before Allah, and whatever unnamed sin it was, it is forgiven immediately. No consequences to suffer for his transgression. Very convenient! What about the disappearance of Nathan in Mohammed's version of the story? David was both prophet and king. Even though God spoke to David directly, and David received much prophetic revelation, he was not the main prophet in his day. There was at least one more important prophet in office during David's reign. Nathan is mentioned at crucial points of David's life, mainly when God rebukes David or denies him his desire (2 Samuel 7:1-14 and 2 Samuel 12:1-25). Nathan again plays an important role in the question of who will become David's successor (1 Kings 1). Like David, Muhammad understood himself as prophet and as political ruler, but with an absolute authority which no Biblical ruler had ever been given. Muhammad was not willing to allow anyone to come up besides him, who could be seen as a rival to his exclusive authority. Nathan denies David's wish to build the temple of God (2 Sam. 7), and Nathan rebukes David for his sin of adultery and murder (2 Sam. 12) and announces God's severe judgment on David for his sins. This was absolutely unimaginable for Muhammad. Nobody should dare to challenge Muhammad. None of his followers and nobody among his opponents should ever get the idea that it would be acceptable to criticize Muhammad, the messenger of God! Therefore, Nathan had to be removed from the scene. Own critical thinking? Even questioning Muhammad? No way! The Qur'an states very clearly: "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path." (33:36) Again, the Qur'an states that "it is not right for you to annoy the Messenger of Allah" (33:53) and even threatens in the strongest language: Those who annoy Allah and HIS MESSENGER - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment. (33:57) In Muhammad's understanding, only absolute and uncritical obedience was acceptable. This lesson Muhammad taught explicitly in the verses just cited, implicitly in the way he changed the stories of the Biblical prophets, and drastically by assassinating those who still dared to challenge him. Based on his life and his teaching, his name clearly does not stand for freedom of speech, or tolerance of differing opinions, or respect for the dignity of those who opposed him. |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by illicit(m): 10:14pm On May 31, 2022 |
Blasphemy  |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by cornelboy(f): 10:19pm On May 31, 2022 |
illicit:Lol. Facts! 2 Likes |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by AntiChristian: 5:21am On Jun 02, 2022 |
Another lie from the Jehovah witnesses. Na so your instructor max lied in another thread! All you Sabi na to package falsehood and present as lie. Prophet David is a pious man who fasted on alternate days. If he fasts today, he doesn't tomorrow. He fasts again the next day. And continues like that. We don't believe he was a murderer, coveter and adulterer as the Bible falsely paints him. A Prophet that receives inspiration from God should be above making such mistakes! If the Prophets that received inspiration made such big errors then the writers of the Bible would have made bigger errors under inspiration writing your Bible. So in the end your Bible is false. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by cornelboy(f): 9:39pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
AntiChristian:How did that Sura get into the Qur'an? |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by AntiChristian: 9:48am On Jun 03, 2022 |
cornelboy: Cause David is a Prophet and Messenger of Allah recognized in Islam. |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by cornelboy(f): 8:02pm On Jun 03, 2022 |
AntiChristian:The real King David in history, who was the second king of Israel, was more of a King than a Prophet. He wrote prophetic Psalms though through the holy spirit. Mohammed was very skilled in plagiarizing Bible stories. Habaa! Has the Story of the Disputants reached thee? Behold, they climbed over the wall of the private chamber; When they entered the presence of David, and he was terrified of them, they said: "Fear not: we are two disputants, one of whom has wronged the other: Decide now between us with truth, and treat us not with injustice, but guide us to the even Path. "This man is my brother: He has nine and ninety ewes, and I have (but) one: Yet he says, ‘commit her to my care,’ and is (moreover) harsh to me in speech." (David) said: "He has undoubtedly wronged thee in demanding thy (single) ewe to be added to his (flock of) ewes: truly many are the partners (in business) who wrong each other: Not so do those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and how few are they?" ... and David gathered that We had tried him: he asked forgiveness of his Lord, fell down, bowing (in prostration), and turned (to Allah in repentance). So We forgave him this (lapse): he enjoyed, indeed, a Near Approach to Us, and a beautiful place of (Final) Return. O David! We did indeed make thee a vicegerent on earth: so judge thou between men in truth (and justice): Nor follow thou the lusts (of thy heart), for they will mislead thee from the Path of Allah: for those who wander astray from the Path of Allah, is a Penalty Grievous, for that they forget the Day of Account. (Yusuf Ali's translation) |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by AntiChristian: 9:33am On Jun 04, 2022 |
cornelboy: 1. Who is a Prophet as defined in your JW Bible? 2. Mention the criteria for someone to be considered a Prophet according to your Bible. In Islam, one who receives inspiration from Allah is a Messenger who is also a prophet. Such inspiration is a message for his people. Yet, Islam didn't accuse David of covetousness, murder and adultery (3 Great sins from your 10 commandments). Why can't that be plagiarized too? |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by cornelboy(f): 1:15am On Jun 05, 2022 |
AntiChristian: 1. Who is a Prophet as defined in your JW Bible?David was more of a king than a prophet. There are like two main prophets in his time. Samuel who's the main prophet at that time anointed David as king over Israel. Prophet Nathan was sent by Yahweh God a couple of times to David. In Islam, one who receives inspiration from Allah is a Messenger who is also a prophet. Such inspiration is a message for his people.In the history of Israel, go and check it anywhere, David was a king. Samuel and Nathan were the prophet of his reign. He wrote prophetic Psalms inspired by the holy, he can also be called a prophet though. But he was more of a king than a prophet. Saul the first king also could be considered a prophet cos he prophesied when the holy spirit came on him. What kind of reasoning is that  If you want to know the reason Mohammed didn't plagiarize David's sin, read my first and second post well. Which verse in the Koran says prophets can't sin? Are they not human? Didn't Mohammed commit sin all through his life? That Sura was copied from the Bible isn't it?  |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by Mindlog: 4:52am On Jun 05, 2022 |
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| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by Mindlog: 4:54am On Jun 05, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Is it not delusional wanting others to believe what your religion interprets of figures in other people's religion as you want those who practice Judaism and Christianity to accept king David as a prophet based on a religion that came up centuries later? Each religion and its adherents know who their Prophets and Kings were, an outsider can't impose on them who they were. 1 Like |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by AntiChristian: 6:45am On Jun 05, 2022 |
Mindlog: Show me how i imposed on you here specifically? |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by AntiChristian: 7:03am On Jun 05, 2022 |
cornelboy: This is not what you're asked. Define Prophethood according to your Jehovah witness Bible not your cranial theory from dictionary or men! Mention any other king in the Bible who was inspired with a Book? How does being a king stop someone being a Prophet? And can't there be more than one Prophets at a time? You're now talking from both sides of the mouth. He's not a Prophet but he's more of a King than a Prophet! I didn't mention Saul. I'm talking about David. Same David you guys claim "prophecied" and the Lord said to my lord in Psalm 82:6.
Prophets can commit sins but not to the extent claimed in the Bible. They do not commit such great sins from the time of their Prophethood. Abraham committed incest by marrying his sister. Lot was drugged to commit incest with his daughters. David committed covetousness, adultery and murder! Moses killed people but reserved the virgins for the warriors. Jehovah even got a share of the virgins in Numbers 31:40. All these and more should have been copied too. |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by Antiislaam(m): 11:13am On Jun 05, 2022 |
AntiChristian: If Quran recognize David why is Music forbidden then in Islam? |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by cornelboy(f): 9:54am On Jun 07, 2022 |
Antiislaam:Lol. They don't know that the book of Psalms contains songs and hymns. Most Muslims are really ignorant. |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by cornelboy(f): 10:36am On Jun 07, 2022 |
AntiChristian: This is not what you're asked. Define Prophethood according to your Jehovah witness Bible not your cranial theory from dictionary or men!I already did that. Mention any other king in the Bible who was inspired with a Book? How does being a king stop someone being a Prophet? And can't there be more than one Prophets at a time?Prophet Nathan and Samuel were the prophet the Israelites knew in David's time. David was a king to them. Same David you guys claim "prophecied" and the Lord said to my lord in Psalm 82:6.Yeah he sang inspired prophetic songs (Psalms). Prophets can commit sins but not to the extent claimed in the Bible. They do not commit such great sins from the time of their Prophethood.Where in the Koran exactly says that? To which extent does the Koran say a prophet can sin? Well Samuel the prophet who anointed David as king couldn't have coveted someone else's wife, take her and kill the husband. Abraham committed incest by marrying his sister.This a lie bro. And how do you think we are here today? Not through incest Where did Adam and Eve children got their spouses from? Didn't they marry themselves? Lot was drugged to commit incest with his daughters.First lot was just Abraham's nephew and he wasn't drugged but made drunk by his daughters. He didn't do it intentionally. David committed covetousness, adultery and murder!He did. All these and more should have been copied too.He doesn't need to copy everything before we know he copied the Bible. So if Mohammed didn't copy from the Bible, what is the Sura in question talking about? |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by Antiislaam(m): 4:23pm On Jun 08, 2022 |
cornelboy: They are all ignorant 1 Like |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by RoyalDiadems: 9:18pm On Jun 08, 2022 |
AntiChristian: There's no messenger of Allah in both Christianity and Judaism. Allah isn't the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by AntiChristian: 2:16am On Jun 09, 2022 |
RoyalDiadems: There's no religion called Christianity or Judaism in the Bible! But Islam exists in the Qu'ran. Of course it is. Allah is the only God, the creator and cherisher of all that exists. Is that not why your translators have no other name to replace "Allah" in the Arabic and Hausa translation of the Bible? |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by cornelboy(f): 9:18pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
AntiChristian: There's no religion called Christianity or Judaism in the Bible! But Islam exists in the Qu'ran.Dé deceive yourself with your forged book there. Allah is the only God, the creator and cherisher of all that exists.Yeah there's a God that created the heavens an the earth and it's definitely not your Allah. Is that not why your translators have no other name to replace "Allah" in the Arabic and Hausa translation of the Bible? Which word for "God" were the Arabic using in their Bible before Mohammed recieved his first revelation? What will be the food for the people in Hell? No food will there be for them but a bitter Dhari S. 88:6 Y. Ali Nor hath he any food except the foul pus from the washing of wounds, S. 69:36 Y. Ali Obviously, both kinds of ‘food’ are chosen to evoke a feeling of horror when thinking about Hell. However, the contradiction is in the double claim that this or that will be the only food, i.e. No food except Dhari (88:6). No food except foul pus (69:36). There is yet another passage that is relevant to this discussion: Is that the better entertainment or the Tree of Zaqqum? For We have truly made it (as) a trial for the wrong-doers. For it is a tree that springs out of the bottom of Hell-Fire: The shoots of its fruit-stalks are like the heads of devils: Truly they will eat thereof and fill their bellies therewith. Then on top of that they will be given a mixture made of boiling water. Then shall their return be to the (Blazing) Fire. S. 37:62-68 Y. Ali; cf. 56:52 So which food exactly are people going to eat in hell? Is the Qur'an free of discrepancies and errors? You sure say na god write am? |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by Bruno3000(m): 10:13pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
Sharrap there, no mortal man is perfect. The moment Adam sinned in the garden of Eden, evry one of his offsprings inherited the sinful nature. So don't u ever say David was incapable of sinning 'FOR ALL HV SINNED AND COME SHORT OF GOD'S GLORY.' even ur mohamed committed a lot of atrocities. So simply quiet. AntiChristian: |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by Bruno3000(m): 10:19pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
I just weak for the guy. Their level of understanding is very shallow. They will soon call us blasphemers. I wonder where Islam comes from. cornelboy: 1 Like |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by TenQ: 11:16pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Unlike in the Qur'an, the God of the Jews and Christians does not justify and cover sin. God is not afraid to judge His own prophets when they err! 1 Like |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by AntiChristian: 6:44am On Jun 26, 2022 |
TenQ: You are right! Show me why God included sinners in Jesus genealogies in the Bible? Incest sinners o! And why did the biblical God give David more wives when "polygamy is forbidden already"? And are you really sure God doesn't cover sins in the Bible? Show me how Lot's daughters were punished for incest? Show me how Judah who slept with his daughter in law was punished despite God killing two of his sons for one sin or the other which includes spilling sperm i.e. coitus interruptus. |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by AntiChristian: 6:48am On Jun 26, 2022 |
Bruno3000: I think you should take the sharrap home to whoever deserves it there. That's the tolerance the Bible teaches. If Adam's sin was inherited by you what about his good deeds? Na only bad things you dey inherit in biology right? So what did you inherit from Eve? Adam's son? Did you inherit your grandparents sins too? Or when did the inheritance stop? Abeg no dey foolishly mention me again! |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by TenQ: 7:23am On Jun 26, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Antichristian, so you finally found your voice after dodging the Thread on the preservation of the Qur'an!? Wonders shall never end. Let me answer your questions: 1. Every form of sinners were in the genealogy of Jesus because ALL human beings are Sinners! Does Islam believe that a human being exist apart from Jesus that was not a sinner? This is why Jesus can be the solution to the problem of sin of mankind. 2. Polygamy is NOT a sin. I wonder where you got that from in the bible. It is only that in the New Covenant anyone who would be a leader/bishop MUST be a husband of one wife. If you think polygamy is a sin in the bible, please present your evidence. 3. The bible stated the facts of what happened with Lot's daughters. Neither Lot not his two daughters are prophets of God. If they are prophets or representatives of God, let me know. Find any scripture that says Judah is a Prophet or a Representative of God. Your IGNORANCE did not allow you to know that in all the cases you have sighted, the LAW was not yet given. Now, we come to the final seal of the prophets (SAW) 1. Who had SEX with his sons in-laws (Allah actually encouraged him by cancelling adoption) 2. Married a six year old girl and Had SEX with her when she was 9 year old. It is called Pedophilic tendencies. 3. Who ordered his people to Murder people that wrote insulting poems about him Abu Afak . How about murder for treasure Kinana ibn al-Rabi ibn Abu al-Huqayq? Can you show me just one ayah of the Qur'an when Allah rebuked Mohammed for doing bad? I hope you wouldn't run away when I open my next thread about Islam the religion of LIES! |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by AntiChristian: 7:47am On Jun 26, 2022 |
TenQ: Same biblical Jesus that failed in savings the lost sheep of Israel he was primarily sent to save. What state is Israel in now? Of cos I won't answer diversions and i have limited time. What I responded to is your claim that your God doesn't cover sin. Show us how those people were punished for their sins? Why are some killed? Why are some not punished at all? Why did you lie? |
| Re: Prophet Mohammad, King David And The Twisted History! by TenQ: 12:33pm On Jun 26, 2022 |
AntiChristian:I specifically answered each of your questions. Why has not God punished you for most sin you have committed? Because, you are a nobody and your punishment will be waiting for you at the day of judgement. The law had not been given at the time of Judah, Tamah or Lot's daughters. And they were nobodies and as such were not immediately judged except to pass example to others of God's displeasure about the error. They were NOT prophets nor God's representative in any way! Except God hammers you for every sin then you can raise an objection But Mohammed was Allah's representative. Now, we come to the final seal of the prophets (SAW) 1. Who had SEX with his sons in-laws (Allah actually encouraged him by cancelling adoption) 2. Married a six year old girl and Had SEX with her when she was 9 year old. It is called Pedophilic tendencies. 3. Who ordered his people to Murder people that wrote insulting poems about him Abu Afak . How about murder for treasure Kinana ibn al-Rabi ibn Abu al-Huqayq? Can you show me just one ayah of the Qur'an when Allah rebuked Mohammed for doing bad? I hope you wouldn't run away when I open my next thread about Islam the religion of LIES! 1 Like |
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