As impossible as this might seems, I think it's still worth a try.......
......engaging more than few non Muslims can become very tedious.. Especially when it involves very long posts...so I decided to engage only two non Muslims ( xtians, atheists etc)

MISSION: Bring forth your greatest claims against Islam............and you will be sure to fall at it.......I BET YA

This way I intend to make clear to non Muslims "controversial" issues in Islam and make other Muslims better informed about their religion.

I will take the first two non-Muslim posts as my "challengee" and it is expected that they stay around long enough for it would be a long "talk"
Others can "like" , "qoute" and give very short [/b]comment on the topic being discussed. But the debaters [b]are not [/b]obliged to comment on other people's post. Otherwise the topic becomes more complex and inconclusive..

And of course, we don't have to be rude and abusive to prove our points.....

[b]CAUTION:I am not new to Islam.......so you are advised to be sincere to your claims..
...As wrong translations would be almost immediately spotted and weak points ridiculously trashed....
.....so u are advised to come up with your strong IRREFUTABLE CLAIMS
....and should be able to stay long enough on this thread

.......I hope this works........I seriously hope
........waiting for the two non Muslims to give their first punch

carefulme: As impossible as this might seems, I think it's still worth a try.......
......engaging more than few non Muslims can become very tedious.. Especially when it involves very long posts...so I decided to engage only two non Muslims ( xtians, atheists etc)

MISSION: Bring forth your greatest claims against Islam............and you will be sure to fall at it.......I BET YA

This way I intend to make clear to non Muslims "controversial" issues in Islam and make other Muslims better informed about their religion.

I will take the first two non-Muslim posts as my "challengee" and it is expected that they stay around long enough for it would be a long "talk"
Others can "like" , "qoute" and give very short [/b]comment on the topic being discussed. But the debaters [b]are not [/b]obliged to comment on other people's post. Otherwise the topic becomes more complex and inconclusive..

And of course, we don't have to be rude and abusive to prove our points.....

[b]CAUTION:I am not new to Islam.......so you are advised to be sincere to your claims..
...As wrong translations would be almost immediately spotted and weak points ridiculously trashed....
.....so u are advised to come up with your strong IRREFUTABLE CLAIMS
....and should be able to stay long enough on this thread

.......I hope this works........I seriously hope
........waiting for the two non Muslims to give their first punch

As an atheist, I have been praying for a muslim like you


Lets see how this goes.


Problems with islam.


a) Women, equality and marriage.

How is it that a muslim man can marry my christian sisters but it is forbidden for a muslim woman to marry a non-muslim at all? Doesnt this boil down to unfairness? "I can mary your women but you cant marry mine"!!

Furthermore, if a woman in a muslim society wants to marry a non-muslim, there is always backlash on the woman and the non-muslim man is forced to convert. If the man fails to convert, the woman is usually disowned from her community/family.

The question here becomes how can muslim really belive that they are better than non-muslims as shown by their marriage laws? Is it better for a terorist muslim to marry a muslim woman than a non-muslim to marry a muslim woman? What of the rights of the woman, shouldnt she be able to marry a christian or a jew like the men? Where is women's rights and equality in the Quran?



b) Cousin Marriage.

The prophet married his first cousin. Cousin marriages happen a lot in many muslim countries. How can this practice be allowed? Cousin marriage is open to abuse of children by grooming sixteen years old girls for marriage by their older male cousins. There is also the problem of genetic disorders and diseases resulting from marriage in the family. Incestous relationships can produce children with defects

Logicboy03:

a) Women, equality and marriage.

How is it that a muslim man can marry my christian sisters but it is forbidden for a muslim woman to marry a non-muslim at all? Doesnt this boil down to unfairness? "I can mary your women but you cant marry mine"!!

Hmmmmm ....logicboy 03 picks up the challenge.....OK

Islam, like constitutions of other countries would do things in its best interest...........and a Muslim is not ashamed to say this.........
It recognizes the strength in number and realizes the need to harness this.........
Explanation........
In marriages, men are more dominant than women( at least mostly)....and one would easily predict that the man dictates the path of his kids..especially if such man is a staunch proponent of such faith.......... though this can not be said to be true in all cases,
Forbidding female Muslims engagement with non Muslim men is considered the best option in the interest of Islam......rather than allowing Muslim females become engaged to non Muslims.....this would be detrimental as her kids will LIKELY be lost to the faith of their father.....and Islam doesn't of course want to lose " customers"......
This should be seen as a reasonable law of an ideological body(Islam) that intends to be in its own best interest...
And not as an unfair treatment of other faith.....
We are humans and it is expected that individual best interest is at its own heart( of course within the limits of what is widely considered humane...i.e not the killing of adherents of other faiths under the guise of " in our best interest"......
The service in ones best interest is very much evident in our everyday life .....
.....ranging from the way some companies offer employments( some companies require some degree of qualification from some universities......of course in the best interest of that company)
....to the laws of some countries ( some countries require a certain percentage of its citizen be employees in foreign companies in such countries also of course in the countries' interest).......

It should be mentioned that some non Muslims vehemently oppose the engagement of their sons and daughters to Muslims for whatever reason .....even though such might not be directly inferred from their scripture.........this further proves that we all are humans and would do things only in our best interest.....and of course Islam is for humans.......

Such rulings should not be seen as an unfair law.....but rather a law that appears to be more of " I am sorry I can't die so that u can live" .....like some companies' mode of employment as said above....
And also could be seen as more of " if u think i'm reading too hard to become above u class, please read hard too".....like the above Islamic ruling.......
So if u think by this way is Islam will amass more people to itself, then u are also advised to amass people to your side.......
This is at all not unfairness but rather islam's quickness in ways to bring crowd to itself and laxity of other faith to do the same to their side.........assuming number of adherents matters to them
.......conclusively, we are all humans and would mostly do things in our best interest........an obvious kit for survival......
And as Islam is meant for humans(Muslims) it recognizes this.......
.........

What?


Giving up already?


lmao

Logicboy03: What?


Giving up already?


lmao

I think he had to go drink some cold water....

Because its really going to get hot in here

ijawkid:

I think he had to go drink some cold water....

Because its really going to get hot in here

lets see if he comes back

@Logicboy- God bless yhu!!!, he wasn't just expectin such questions, he was prolly expectin d regular arguments against Islam.
@OP- dere's no need to do this, it's just a waste of tym.

carefulme:

Hmmmmm ....logicboy 03 picks up the challenge.....OK

Islam, like constitutions of other countries would do things in its best interest...........and a Muslim is not ashamed to say this.........
It recognizes the strength in number and realizes the need to harness this.........
Explanation........
In marriages, men are more dominant than women( at least mostly)....and one would easily predict that the man dictates the path of his kids..especially if such man is a staunch proponent of such faith.......... though this can not be said to be true in all cases,
Forbidding female Muslims engagement with non Muslim men is considered the best option in the interest of Islam......rather than allowing Muslim females become engaged to non Muslims.....this would be detrimental as her kids will LIKELY be lost to the faith of their father.....and Islam doesn't of course want to lose " customers"......
This should be seen as a reasonable law of an ideological body(Islam) that intends to be in its own best interest...
And not as an unfair treatment of other faith.....
We are humans and it is expected that individual best interest is at its own heart( of course within the limits of what is widely considered humane...i.e not the killing of adherents of other faiths under the guise of " in our best interest"......
The service in ones best interest is very much evident in our everyday life .....
.....ranging from the way some companies offer employments( some companies require some degree of qualification from some universities......of course in the best interest of that company)
....to the laws of some countries ( some countries require a certain percentage of its citizen be employees in foreign companies in such countries also of course in the countries' interest).......

It should be mentioned that some non Muslims vehemently oppose the engagement of their sons and daughters to Muslims for whatever reason .....even though such might not be directly inferred from their scripture.........this further proves that we all are humans and would do things only in our best interest.....and of course Islam is for humans.......

Such rulings should not be seen as an unfair law.....but rather a law that appears to be more of " I am sorry I can't die so that u can live" .....like some companies' mode of employment as said above....
And also could be seen as more of " if u think i'm reading too hard to become above u class, please read hard too".....like the above Islamic ruling.......
So if u think by this way is Islam will amass more people to itself, then u are also advised to amass people to your side.......
This is at all not unfairness but rather islam's quickness in ways to bring crowd to itself and laxity of other faith to do the same to their side.........assuming number of adherents matters to them
.......conclusively, we are all humans and would mostly do things in our best interest........an obvious kit for survival......
And as Islam is meant for humans(Muslims) it recognizes this.......
.........

In short, Islam comes before being a human being. Religion is more important than love, children and happiness. The interest of islam is quite more important than the interest of the human being. I think Islam really needs a rethink. This just makes islam look inhumane



Your rule of muslim men not marrying non-muslims is a failure. Many muslim women still mary non-muslims


Huma Abedin, a muslim aide to Hilary Clinton married a Jewish US senator and they have a baby boy

And we are becoming impatient already

I wasn't done with my first reply before I accidentally submitted it.... So I had to modify it .........

This is a talk that is expected to be around for some time.......so there should be no " can't he just post immediately".........

I will respond to every part of your post that I don't agree with.....but of course not always immediately as u post them........

So just stay ALIVE.......

This will be fun. Allahu akbar!

Logicboy03:


In short, Islam comes before being a human being. Religion is more important than love, children and happiness. The interest of islam is quite more important than the interest of the human being. I think Islam really needs a rethink. This just makes islam look inhumane

I'm not sure how to respond to this........
The above seem to me like a conclusion......based on own's interpretation, processing and estimation of somethings in Islam......which of course may be objective or otherwise.......
.....why not tell us what part of Islam indicates the above ......maybe if we see it too may agree with u on the above

carefulme:

I'm not sure how to respond to this........
The above seem to me like a conclusion......based on own's interpretation, processing and estimation of somethings in Islam......which of course may be objective or otherwise.......
.....why not tell us what part of Islam indicates the above ......maybe if we see it too may agree with u on the above

I summarized your defense for muslim women not marrying non-muslims as mandated by the Quran.


For a perfect Quran, it clearly has a rule that clearly emboldens racism. In Saudi Arabia or Malaysia, a white European man dating a muslim woman is already strike one. Having sex means death or capital punishment for the white man because they know the white man is very unlikely to be a muslim.


You know, white slave traders also had the same rule. They had sex with black slaves but never allowed black slaves or even freemen to touch their women.

Logicboy03:

Your rule of muslim men not marrying non-muslims is a failure. Many muslim women still mary non-muslims


Huma Abedin, a muslim aide to Hilary Clinton married a Jewish US senator and they have a baby boy

Of course I told you the ruling of Muslim women engagement with non Muslims(not" Muslim men not marrying non- Muslims" ........but I NEVER said those rules have always been obeyed.....
.........I am more than aware that there are Muslim women who married non Muslims.....
.........nobody is obliged to obey the law.......infact, everybody has the right to disobey the law........
........most countries forbid the taking of another persons life except in some cases but yet we still have cases of homicide everyday........
........so I am not too ignorant to know that there are Muslim ladies who marry non Muslims........and I NEVER said the ruling was never disobeyed

I am just responding to no one.

a) Women, equality and marriage.

How is it that a muslim man can marry my christian sisters but it is forbidden for a muslim woman to marry a non-muslim at all?

Muslim men can not marry atheist, hindu, etc but can marry chased christian and jewish women, of course his first choice for wife is the muslim woman. Allah gave command about muslim women not to be given in marriage to men who are not muslims. The Complete Wisdom of it is with God The Commander. As a person who is using his mind, I can just give opinion as a human being who is observing the usual relationship between husband and wife, we see that in matters that affects the wife the husband has a noticeable presence in the outcome. It is the husband who dominates all the affairs, being the head of the household. When it comes to religion, the presence of the man is well noted so much so that a christian woman who is married to a christian man may actually change her denomination or her specific church to the husband's, the christian says do not be unyoke with infidel/unbelievers. so how is islam different? people protect their group. Islam should not be different. And when Allah commands, we need to obey.

Allah created man to have greater presence simply by the genetic makeup over women. If a muslim wife is strong in her religion, her non muslim husband will have effect on her religion and she will have to be struggling even more than the normal struggle. Who wants to complicate his or her life? Why should a person who believe that God is 1 be under the person who says God is 3 person so much so that some jewish people killed one of the 3?

Doesnt this boil down to unfairness? "I can mary your women but you cant marry mine"!!

when did protection of the purity of the group members become "unfairness" if we consider that Darwin proposed the "survival of the fittest" as a way for a specie to continue to be relevant, exist instead of becoming extinct or the lunch of the stronger group? Mr. Darwin made the case for Islam on this proposition.

Furthermore, if a woman in a muslim society wants to marry a non-muslim, there is always backlash on the woman and the non-muslim man is forced to convert.

if the woman is not a muslim she can do what she wants. If the woman is a muslim she should be reminded of the ruling in the uran. If she has a good amount of Iman, she will accept the Rule of Allah. If she does not have any faith in Islam, she can do what she wants. Her family can do what they want as a group and dont care for her marriage. At least when the family let her know that she can not marry a non muslim man, then she should listen, and they have done their duties, warning her about the poison she is ingesting.

If the man fails to convert, the woman is usually disowned from her community/family.

no one should be made to convert if they dont want. you should not force anyone to become muslim. All you are required to do is let each know the truth of Islam.

The question here becomes how can muslim really belive that they are better than non-muslims as shown by their marriage laws?

does anyone think that Islam is inferior to a system, specifically on the matter of marriage? I will like to know any system that is better than Islam in this regard and the reason that anyone thinks so.


Islam is the only religion where almost everyone, male and female can be a spouse of somebody. It is the only religion that the assets of the woman is hers and not own jointly. Men are also protected, and the protection is superior to Prenuptial agreement that the best of people outside Islam sign with their spouse before marriage. Even a married woman who is divorced may not even leave the husband's house if she wants

Housing Divorced Women “When it comes to housing an ex-wife, Allah proclaims: “Let them live where you live, according to your means. Do not put pressure on them, so as to harass them. If they are pregnant, maintain them until they give birth…” (Quran 65: 6)

. A woman can initiate divorce {KHULA}.

Is it better for a terorist muslim to marry a muslim woman than a non-muslim to marry a muslim woman?

Allah forbids marrying a non muslim man for a muslim woman. What is from Allah is better over anything man can bring forward.

What of the rights of the woman, shouldnt she be able to marry a christian or a jew like the men?

does monkey have the right to mate with a lion?

Where is women's rights and equality in the Quran?

a woman keeps all her wealth. she can initiate divorce "Khula". She performs all obligations of faith that man performs and she may actually be more religious than the husband. Her not being the imam in the salah can be loosely viewed in the same role as you will view who carry the pregnancy of the offspring between the two spouses. Allah has assigned the role of husband differently from the role of the wife.

b) Cousin Marriage.

The prophet married his first cousin. Cousin marriages happen a lot in many muslim countries. How can this practice be allowed? .

the royal bloods of europe still practice it. And they are the best people of europe. I guess what is normal in Islam can only be appreciated and copied by the best in europe; their royal families. peasants and immigrants can never have the means to appreciate this.

Cousin marriage is open to abuse of children by grooming sixteen years old girls for marriage by their older male cousins. There is also the problem of genetic disorders and diseases resulting from marriage in the family.

and Allah has made the muslim marriages like this not bear such a fruit more than what the other types of marriages bear in what is listed as excuses to bash Islam. By the way people are allowed to marry wives and husbands from far away land[s].

Incestous relationships can produce children with defects

i guess the european blue bloods are incestuous.

Logicboy03:

For a perfect Quran, it clearly has a rule that clearly emboldens racism.

Please don't tell us the Quran has a rule that emboldens racism.......but rather show us the rule.......maybe we will be able to agree with you.......
........sorry we can't accept that Islam emboldens racism because u said so...........show it to us.......we want to see it

Logicboy03:
In Saudi Arabia or Malaysia, a white European man dating a muslim woman is already strike one. Having sex means death or capital punishment for the white man because they know the white man is very unlikely to be a muslim.

This is very untrue........the same law applies to everyone ( fornication, adultery etc)......please post pages and links to prove me wrong

is marrying a jewish husband if you are a woman showing that you are an ideal muslim woman? and happiness and love of today may be the sadness and hatred of tomorrow. people should not forget that marriage can end and love is not blind and no can guarantee that children will come as a result of any marriage.

rosen barr made tom arnold convert to judaism before marriage.
chelsea clinton convert to judaism before marrying her husband

why is anyone not asking the jews who will more likely make their future spouses convert and still see them in reality as goyim/goyum/gentile? at least in islam, when you become a muslim, you are no more a kufar.

i remembered saying logicboy is igbo and he immediately let me know that he is from south south. i have been called all kinda ethnic; igbo, hausa, sudani, and others until i open my mouth to speak yoruba. there was never a time i tell anyone that i am not from where they say i am from; i normally tell people that i believe i come from where ever you say i am from.


people see the "fault" in Islam where they are unable to see their own "FAULTS".

Logicboy03:

Furthermore, if a woman in a muslim society wants to marry a non-muslim, there is always backlash on the woman and the non-muslim man is forced to convert. If the man fails to convert, the woman is usually disowned from her community/family.....

.......and this is how far some Muslims can go to uphold such law
The Quran explicitly opposes the engagement of a Muslim lady to a non Muslim man........But I'm not sure of the punishment for a recalcitrant lady.........if failure to obey such law is equal to apostasy .........
So I really must tell you that I can only help you with Islam and not with the action of some Muslims......
In fact, I will be on your side rebuking Muslims if u found some laws in Islam that Muslims are not very well willing to obey........
........so we both must blame the above Muslims for their action, except when we are sure that their above action is exactly the quranic injunction for such act.

Did a tbaba walk in? Just missing the quotes from bestestest book in the whole wide universes, which happens to be objective proof of god. Certainly got lots of '.......' ........

Assalam Aleikum bro,

Please forgive me but i have a few comments,,,

I think the tone of introduction is a bit confrontational. Debates do not convince anyone... People get into debates to boost their egos not to find truth... We also have to be careful not to get egotistical as Muslis in our attempts to convey the truth..

I had a thread that followed the encouraged non-muslims with sincere questions to ask and it went on for several pages before someone moved it to the Islam Section.

The discussions were civil and trolls were ignored. I learnt a lot and i hope people gained a few things from it as well.

You can check it out here...

https://www.nairaland.com/802617/questions-muslims-those-want-know

Getting into circular debates are of very little value, I feel...

Sorry, if i said anything that was out of place...

JazakAllahu Khairan for your efforts

Assalam Aleikum

tbaba1234:

our attempts to convey the truth..


The discussions were civil and trolls were ignored. I learnt a lot and i hope people gained a few things from it as well.

How is it possible to redefine "truth" and not be trolling?
In essence, why are you trolling here?

carefulme:

Of course I told you the ruling of Muslim women engagement with non Muslims(not" Muslim men not marrying non- Muslims" ........but I NEVER said those rules have always been obeyed.....
.........I am more than aware that there are Muslim women who married non Muslims.....
.........nobody is obliged to obey the law.......infact, everybody has the right to disobey the law........
........most countries forbid the taking of another persons life except in some cases but yet we still have cases of homicide everyday........
........so I am not too ignorant to know that there are Muslim ladies who marry non Muslims........and I NEVER said the ruling was never disobeyed

Yes, the rule has been disobeyed and many of those women still live happy lives with their non-muslim husbands.

carefulme:

This is very untrue........the same law applies to everyone ( fornication, adultery etc)......please post pages and links to prove me wrong

Very untrue what? Fornication for a white European is a different thing entirely in those countries. Flirt with a muslim woman and you could be beaten savagely.

Sweetnecta: I am just responding to no one.

Muslim men can not marry atheist, hindu, etc but can marry chased christian and jewish women, of course his first choice for wife is the muslim woman. Allah gave command about muslim women not to be given in marriage to men who are not muslims. The Complete Wisdom of it is with God The Commander. As a person who is using his mind, I can just give opinion as a human being who is observing the usual relationship between husband and wife, we see that in matters that affects the wife the husband has a noticeable presence in the outcome. It is the husband who dominates all the affairs, being the head of the household. When it comes to religion, the presence of the man is well noted so much so that a christian woman who is married to a christian man may actually change her denomination or her specific church to the husband's, the christian says do not be unyoke with infidel/unbelievers. so how is islam different? people protect their group. Islam should not be different. And when Allah commands, we need to obey.

Why must you mention christianity? I am not a christian.

The husband does not dominate all affairs. You should really look at your religion properly. even Khadija was richer than Muhammad and the financial backbone. She was also the one that had to take care of Muhammad.

Sweetnecta: Allah created man to have greater presence simply by the genetic makeup over women. If a muslim wife is strong in her religion, her non muslim husband will have effect on her religion and she will have to be struggling even more than the normal struggle. Who wants to complicate his or her life? Why should a person who believe that God is 1 be under the person who says God is 3 person so much so that some jewish people killed one of the 3?

The question goes the other way around as well. Did you think of that or is it that you have been brainwashed to see the islamic point of view only?

Sweetnecta:
when did protection of the purity of the group members become "unfairness" if we consider that Darwin proposed the "survival of the fittest" as a way for a specie to continue to be relevant, exist instead of becoming extinct or the lunch of the stronger group? Mr. Darwin made the case for Islam on this proposition.

So muslims are pure while non-muslims are impure. You sound more like Nazi Germany. Clearly racist to my ears.

Darwin said more than survival of the fittest. Go and read.,

Sweetnecta:
if the woman is not a muslim she can do what she wants. If the woman is a muslim she should be reminded of the ruling in the uran. If she has a good amount of Iman, she will accept the Rule of Allah. If she does not have any faith in Islam, she can do what she wants. Her family can do what they want as a group and dont care for her marriage. At least when the family let her know that she can not marry a non muslim man, then she should listen, and they have done their duties, warning her about the poison she is ingesting.

What poison?

This kind of thinking creates a problem. When the family believes that they can control and adult woman's choice of marriage, they sometimes take it too far and do honour killing when the woman still decides to marry a non-muslim.

Sweetnecta:
does anyone think that Islam is inferior to a system, specifically on the matter of marriage? I will like to know any system that is better than Islam in this regard and the reason that anyone thinks so.

Islam is highly inferior. Polygamy, incestous cousin marriage, wife beating from Surah 4 etc

Sweetnecta:
does monkey have the right to mate with a lion?

We are all humans. Same species. See how islam breeds racism?

Sweetnecta:
the royal bloods of europe still practice it. And they are the best people of europe. I guess what is normal in Islam can only be appreciated and copied by the best in europe; their royal families. peasants and immigrants can never have the means to appreciate this.


and Allah has made the muslim marriages like this not bear such a fruit more than what the other types of marriages bear in what is listed as excuses to bash Islam. By the way people are allowed to marry wives and husbands from far away land[s].


i guess the european blue bloods are incestuous.

What a very ignorant comment. The European royals stopped this practice centuries ago when the science became evident that inbred children will get genetic disorders.

See how hypocritical you have become? You claim that Islam is better than the immoral western culture, yet you use European practices from ages ago to validate your cousin marriage.

Go and read the effects of cousin marriage in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

carefulme:

Please don't tell us the Quran has a rule that emboldens racism.......but rather show us the rule.......maybe we will be able to agree with you.......
........sorry we can't accept that Islam emboldens racism because u said so...........show it to us.......we want to see it

Muslim men can marry Jews and Christians, muslim women can not.


1) The only other people that fully support this kind of rule were White slave traders who were very intimate with black female slaves and free women but would hang black men if they tried to touch white women.


2) White men have been beaten for dating a muslim woman. I also have personally almost died for telling a muslim man that I was dating a muslim woman.

Sweetnecta: is marrying a jewish husband if you are a woman showing that you are an ideal muslim woman? and happiness and love of today may be the sadness and hatred of tomorrow. people should not forget that marriage can end and love is not blind and no can guarantee that children will come as a result of any marriage.

rosen barr made tom arnold convert to judaism before marriage.
chelsea clinton convert to judaism before marrying her husband

why is anyone not asking the jews who will more likely make their future spouses convert and still see them in reality as goyim/goyum/gentile? at least in islam, when you become a muslim, you are no more a kufar.

i remembered saying logicboy is igbo and he immediately let me know that he is from south south. i have been called all kinda ethnic; igbo, hausa, sudani, and others until i open my mouth to speak yoruba. there was never a time i tell anyone that i am not from where they say i am from; i normally tell people that i believe i come from where ever you say i am from.


people see the "fault" in Islam where they are unable to see their own "FAULTS".

I am not a Jew and neother am I igbo. It would be a lie for me to say that I am any of those things.


You can lie and accept whatever people say about you.



Please, keep talking as if muslims dont have divorce as well,. Infact, they have a high divorce rate in the usa, where you live


http://muslimtribune.org/news/alarming-divorce-rates-among-muslims-online-service-makes-it-worse

^ Just responding to the above, but my response is just a side road.

by Logicboy03(m): 5:59am
I am not a Jew and neother am I igbo.

neither are your an englishman, but will be happy to be called an englishman/brit in the company of white englishman in england and will not say "i am not englsih, bloke". heck, you want what you want because it is a fade that pays.

a non jew who concerns himself with jewish issue against even the victims of judaism or jewish polity [zionism] is either a hypocrite or does not know that people should be fair when making opinion about 2 opposing groups. how can anyone blame islam when judaism, christianity, even hinduism does the same thing? i dare say atheist who marries non atheist will at least project the agenda of atheism in the marriage wishing to discourage the wife or husband to lean or see goodness of athesim as in "free yourself of the burden of thinking what you dont see exists and you have to obey and worship "HIM"". neither jew nor igbo is a bad human good more the bad individual in any group.

It would be a lie for me to say that I am any of those things.

there is no lie in allowing somebody to honor you as a member of their "good ethnic group" [the way they see themselves]. some african, nigerians, even south south people who live in england will not deny it if a white englishman says the nigerian is british. how selective is our honesty, now? we will refuse to be called an igbo, a great group from our country, even that we are from the former eastern region. yet we will accept a poor englishman saying we are british just because we live in britain with passport that can be revoked at the drop of a penny.

You can lie and accept whatever people say about you.

since i believe that all humans are from Adam [as], i am where anyone wants me to come from. however of someone ask where are you from, i will say 9ja for show and i am original yoruba. thats honesty so that i do not sadden anyone who believes he is honoring me as a member of his group. but when i have to talk about myself, i will tell people where my parents were from and how i get to be here now.

lying that God does not exist is worse than me "lying" when i do not dispute anyone, allowing him to say i am from the ethnicity he is happy that he is from. i have catch more flies with honey than using the vinegar that is being suggested to me.

Please, keep talking as if muslims dont have divorce as well,. Infact, they have a high divorce rate in the usa, where you live
http://muslimtribune.org/news/alarming-divorce-rates-among-muslims-online-service-makes-it-worse

do they have the highest, though? for a no muslim to tell about the happenings in muslim community, a community i am part of is absurd. research means nothing as we see many times because the reality may be different from the opinion of the researcher. in the pat 30something years, the opinion is that muslims in america is 6 millions. how is it possible that there is no increase even though we have seen the waves of ethiopians, somalians and huge groups from west africain the 80s and the 90s, including people from asia, etc?

the issue is that muslim marriage is more stable among blacks because the underpinning is the consciousness of God that carries them along. the process of divorce is tedious and men who may just want to taste it and walk away cant do that because of the screening process. i will hope that those who have reason [Higher Authority] to stay together will persevere in marriage better than those whose interest is merely love because love do fade just like beauty.

Sweetnecta: ^ Just responding to the above, but my response is just a side road.

a non jew who concerns himself with jewish issue against even the victims of judaism or jewish polity [zionism] is either a hypocrite or does not know that people should be fair when making opinion about 2 opposing groups. how can anyone blame islam when judaism, christianity, even hinduism does the same thing? i dare say atheist who marries non atheist will at least project the agenda of atheism in the marriage wishing to discourage the wife or husband to lean or see goodness of athesim as in "free yourself of the burden of thinking what you dont see exists and you have to obey and worship "HIM"". neither jew nor igbo is a bad human good more the bad individual in any group.

I dont believe in any religion be it Judaism, Christianity or islam!!!!

There is no atheist agenda. Atheism is not a religion.

Sweetnecta:
there is no lie in allowing somebody to honor you as a member of their "good ethnic group" [the way they see themselves]. some african, nigerians, even south south people who live in england will not deny it if a white englishman says the nigerian is british. how selective is our honesty, now? we will refuse to be called an igbo, a great group from our country, even that we are from the former eastern region. yet we will accept a poor englishman saying we are british just because we live in britain with passport that can be revoked at the drop of a penny.

Crap. Why dont you allow the mushrikun to honour you?

Sweetnecta:
since i believe that all humans are from Adam [as], i am where anyone wants me to come from. however of someone ask where are you from, i will say 9ja for show and i am original yoruba. thats honesty so that i do not sadden anyone who believes he is honoring me as a member of his group. but when i have to talk about myself, i will tell people where my parents were from and how i get to be here now.

lying that God does not exist is worse than me "lying" when i do not dispute anyone, allowing him to say i am from the ethnicity he is happy that he is from. i have catch more flies with honey than using the vinegar that is being suggested to me.

All human beings came from a group of at least 10,000 people due to the variation amongs humans. We didnt come from 2 people, especially Jewish people in the middle east when the fact is that we humans came from Africa.

Sweetnecta:
do they have the highest, though? for a no muslim to tell about the happenings in muslim community, a community i am part of is absurd. research means nothing as we see many times because the reality may be different from the opinion of the researcher. in the pat 30something years, the opinion is that muslims in america is 6 millions. how is it possible that there is no increase even though we have seen the waves of ethiopians, somalians and huge groups from west africain the 80s and the 90s, including people from asia, etc?

the issue is that muslim marriage is more stable among blacks because the underpinning is the consciousness of God that carries them along. the process of divorce is tedious and men who may just want to taste it and walk away cant do that because of the screening process. i will hope that those who have reason [Higher Authority] to stay together will persevere in marriage better than those whose interest is merely love because love do fade just like beauty.

Atheists have the lowest divorce rates. Sorry for you muslims and your fake claims of marriage fidelity. Surah 4 doesnt work

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistfamiliesmarriage/a/AtheistsDivorce.htm

Sweetneckta, I want you to exit this thread.

"How is it that a muslim man can marry my
christian sisters but it is forbidden for a
muslim woman to marry a non-muslim at
all?"

my own be say, wettin even consign atheist with this rule

A man to islam should never be disobeyed in the house, should never be denied any demand he places on his wife. A muslima women is conditioned from birth to obey the husband without any hesitation. A muslim woman married to a non muslim might be asked to leave her religion. Islam cannot have their numbers reduce out of any situation like this. So what does a male supremacist solve this? Ban non muslims from marrying muslim wives! Bingo. Allahu Akbar! Islam is a male supremacist man made religion and reading the big 3 apologists justify that can be real depressing.

Muslims say Jesus is only a prophet. The Quran encourages muslims to believe in the Bible. In the Bible, Jesus says he is much more than a mere prophet. So who is lying? Mohammed or Jesus.