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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:41pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15: What correlation has this nonsense got to do with my post? |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 1:46pm On Apr 20 |
MaxInDHouse:How can Thomas use God's name as an exclamation mark as U claim when he knows Moses law doesn't allow it. A Jew for that matter. He saw Jesus and he shouted 'my God'as expression of shock!!! Very funny 1 Like |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by AbuTwins: 2:07pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15: Apology Accepted! Jesus is not divine but human! “My Lord and my God!” Thomas exclaimed. John 20:28 This is simply an exclamation as he was surprised from the context! Thomas referred to Jesus as Lord (or master) and God (Theos). Theos was used for Satan in 2 Cor 4:4 and for a Roman Governor in Acts 12:22 and they were not called ''God". At that time Thomas spoke there was no knowledge of trinity then! Jesus was believed to be a Prophet by the disciples! In Luke 29 from 18 we read: One of them, named Cleopas, asked Him, “Are You the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in recent days?” “What things?” He asked. “The events involving Jesus of Nazareth,” they answered. “This man was a prophet, powerful in speech and action before God and all the people. Also the verse did not say Jesus you are my God and my Lord? It is an exclamation! Anyone can be master or god! Jesus had a God who is our God! Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” Jesus worships his God! Luke 6:12 One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. Matthew 14:23 After he (Jesus) had sent them away, he went up on the mountain by himself to pray. Luke 5:16 Yet he (Jesus) frequently withdrew to the wilderness to pray. Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:13pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15: So the title "GOD" is the name Moses talked about when he said Israelites shouldn't use God's name in vain shey? Abeg stop quoting me because small time now you will start using multiple monikers to insult me claiming you're many people! |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 2:18pm On Apr 20 |
AbuTwins: U guys don't get it.... Thomas couldnt have said 'my God' as an expression of shock or exclamation mark. Its blasphemy!!! The 4th commandment clearly states thou shall not call the name of God in vain!!! Exodus 20 7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. Thomas is a Jew who is well acquainted with mosaic law. He knows its blasphemy to see Jesus and shout 'my God's as expression of shock. If Thomas said My God to Jesus, he actually meant it. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by AbuTwins: 2:25pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15: Please be sane! Satan was called God in 2 Cor 4:4, is it not Blasphemy too? A Roman Governor was called God in Acts 12:22 is it not Blasphemy too? Exodus 20 Whenever you are surprise what do you say? Probably, Jesus! What did Thomas say? My Lord and my God! At best, he was referring to Yahweh in surprise as none of the disciples know Jesus as God during the time! The Exodus verse you used mentions Yahweh not Jesus or god/God used for humans and Satan! |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 2:31pm On Apr 20 |
MaxInDHouse: Thomas said “Ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου", literally meaning the Lord of me and the God of me. If this is an exclamation mark coming from the mouth of a Jew, and it not blasphemy then I don't know what else to say to U. Delusion is free. A Muslim here has finally admitted Jesus is divine while a Christian continues to wallow in deliberate self inflicting ignorance. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:38pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15: People often explain saying "Oh my God" at the sight of something that amazes them it never meant that what they saw is their God! |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 2:41pm On Apr 20 |
AbuTwins:This is what Thomas said “Ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου", literally the Lord of me and the God of me. If this is an exclamation mark from the mouth of a Jew, then U living in obvious denial and living in delulu land AbuTwins: Let me even ask U a question. When did we start using oh my God as exclamation mark and what's the etymology of the phrase, which language did it come from? Oh my God originated from the English language. Thomas never spoke English and there's no such exclamation mark in ancient aramaic or hebrew language. What U guys are doing is extrapolation of the modern phrase oh my God into ancient language. There's no evidence such phrase existed during the time of jesus in any language at all. https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/oh-my-god/
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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:49pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15: Most of you only stays within one locality and start claiming you're knowledgeable. Have you been to any other place apart from where they born you? In Yorùbá land here when people see what amazes them it's the name of their God they will shout in amazement. Go to Ìlàjẹ in Ondo state you will hear them shout: "Ayélála Ìgbòkokò!" That's "My God" in their own languages. Does it mean they saw their God each time they utter such or they're greeting their God? |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by AbuTwins: 3:02pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15: You still haven't proven That Thomas believed Jesus as God! Theos can be god too yet you keep writing God all the time to buttress your falsehood! Let me even ask U a question. When did we start using oh my God as exclamation mark and what's the etymology of the phrase, which language did it come from? This is of no use! If I see something surprising I say Subhanallah (Glory be to Allah)! That does not mean whatever is in front of me when I'm surprised is what I am referring to as Glory be to Allah! And Jesus told same Thomas that he had a God who is our God! Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 20:17 What Thomas said was Theos! What Jesus used above for his God was Theon! |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 3:03pm On Apr 20 |
MaxInDHouse:Ayelala is the name of an idol not God. Yoruba call God Olorun or Eledumare. And idol worshippers never forbade anybody to use the name of their deity anyhow. Its even common for them to swear or curse in the name of their deity. Try another trick. Yoruba didn't use the word 'Olorun mi o' as exclamation mark until they extrapolated it from the English language oh my God |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:07pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15: Ọlọ́run or Elédùmarè came with Àjàyí Crowder's translation and the word IDOL comes with British mentality from what Yorùbá people believe all are Gods nothing like IDOL it's your own religion that refers to their Gods as IDOLS! |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 5:39pm On Apr 20 |
MaxInDHouse: Eledumare predates the Yoruba bible and Ajayi crowther. Where do U think Yorubas got the words odu, odumare, osumare.
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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:54pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15: Yorùbá believe Olódùmarè is the one all other Gods are work for they don't call any of them IDOLS! |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 7:20pm On Apr 20 |
AbuTwins:I hope U know that actual conversation wasnt in koine greek so bringing up Theos or theon is irrelevant. Theos wasnt used in that conversation. Thomas must have said my Adonai! My elohim or Eli or my Yahweh. And these are the names that should not be called in vain. Why is Thomas personalising the name of God in vain? Why is he calling upon God in vain? The phrase 'my God was mentioned more than 125 times in bible. It always have to with prayer, supplication or meditation directed to almighty God, it was never used for exclamation mark. Jesus on the cross cried out 'Eli, Eli'meaning my God, my God....this was a direct communication from Jesus to his Father and not an exclamation mark or sign of grief. No where in the bible is the phrase my God known for exclamation or surprise, but some divinity denials wants to turn logic on his head when Thomas mentioned it. AbuTwins:Thomas never worshiped Allah and he's not an Arab. The Arabic culture and the way Allah is expressed differs from Jewish culture. U don't call the name of God in vain in Jewish culture. AbuTwins:Once again study christology and then we can discuss the hypostasis union of Jesus. AbuTwins: If I show U where Theos was used for God the Father, would U accept Thomas did call Jesus God. because the word theos was used for God over 1000 times in the new testament. Starting with John 3.16- For God so loved the world...the God in the verse is theos. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 7:22pm On Apr 20 |
MaxInDHouse: Whatever they call them is not my business. The point is to show U ayelala is not the supreme God in Yoruba pantheon. He's likely orisha or whatever.... |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:32pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15:So if someone called Ayélála while Ayélála is not what he saw it simply means they exclaimed at the sight of something amazing just as Thomas also did not that he saw his God! |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 7:54pm On Apr 20 |
MaxInDHouse: Don't U get it. Yorubas don't care if U call ayelala anyhow. It's not abomination. But calling the name of God carelessly in Judaism is blasphemy. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:59pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15: My Lord and my God is not God's name in the Hebrews Scriptures that's why God's word says God made Moses a God! Exodus 7:1 |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 9:12pm On Apr 20 |
MaxInDHouse: How did Jesus call God. When Jesus said do not swear by God's name, what name was he referring to? |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:15pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15:What name did Moses gave Israelites in the Bible book of Deuteronomy 6:4? |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 9:32pm On Apr 20 |
MaxInDHouse: Answer my question. We dealing with new testament here not old testament. What name did Jesus call God when he was dying on the cross. What name of God did Jesus tell his disciples not to swear on during the beatitudes sermon. He told them. not to swear by God's name, what's the name? |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:47pm On Apr 20 |
SIRTee15: Go and read the book of Deuteronomy 6:4 then compare to Mark 12:29 you will know the name! |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 10:19am On Apr 22 |
Ken4Christ: Your Trinitarian mentors translators placed exclamation mark (!) on John 20:28 & you pastor is here deceiving yourself capping rubbish. John 20:28 Bible hub evidence. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Ken4Christ: 10:44pm On Apr 22 |
Janosky: Please, interpret the passage below to me: John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:22am On Apr 23 |
Ken4Christ: "Before Abraham (the ancestors of Hebrews) i exist" |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Ken4Christ: 8:04am On Apr 23 |
MaxInDHouse: If Jesus existed before Abraham, then who is Jesus?. Human or God? |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:11am On Apr 23 |
Ken4Christ:An angel! Angels also exist before Adam talkless of the Hebrew Abraham and they are still existing as they don't grow old, get sick and die like humans! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 11:13am On Apr 23 |
MaxInDHouse: I wonder oo ! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 11:21am On Apr 23 |
Ken4Christ: Pastor Stop LYING. You are definitely deceiving yourself. Did MaxinDhouse put that exclamation in your own Bible @ John 20:28? Why are you denying this screenshot evidence of John 20:28 proven you wrong?
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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 11:32am On Apr 23 |
Iamanoited: No verse no chapter. Your personal opinion. |
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