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Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by PeterObi4Presid: 11:59pm On Apr 27 |
gohf:Thanks |
Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Emusan(m): 11:10am On Apr 28 |
Michael547: Gen 2:7 never talks about SPIRIT OF MAN but the breath of life Spirit of man not equate LIFE FORCE. Do animals have spirit? Yes! If yes, do their spirit differ from that of men? Yes! God DIRECTLY created Man in His OWN IMAGE and put His Spirit in man. Animals were created by command. You can proof me wrong by providing where God PUT HIS SPIRIT IN ANIMALS. You have no proof that the spirit and soul does not 'need' to go to heaven before going to hell since you've agreed that all spirit and soul must return to God who lives in heaven. It's just your personal opinion.[/quote] The fact that the SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD is the proof. That shows that it's only God who has the final say on where the Spirit will be temporarily. Don't dodge this my question again: Now, that means both the evil and righteous people SPIRIT will return to God. Right? |
Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Michael547(m): 11:37am On Apr 28 |
Emusan:Which other bible verse shows that God created man and put 'His Spirit' in man that is different from the 'breath of life' in Genesis 2:7? If you say the spirit of man and Animal is different, explain Ecclesiastics 3:19 in the screenshot below. Oga you are giving an interpretation of spirit and soul returning back to God in Ecclesiastics 12:7 according to your personal opinion. If you said and agreed that both spirit and soul of good and bad people return to God who lives in heaven, why are you trying to twist the meaning According to your opinion that some soul and spirit do not need to get to God in heaven before going to hell fire? Where are you getting this interpretation from?
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Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Emusan(m): 11:42am On Apr 28 |
Address this point first before you continue with your post. Now, that means both the evil and righteous people SPIRIT will return to God. Right? How many times will I tell you this? Michael547: |
Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by delkuf(m): 11:50am On Apr 28 |
gohf:thank you for this. Op, don't try to stop or slow down the process. Let me tell my own case. I was fervent for God. I was full of God that other area were affected. I was working then but other areas of never seem to improve. I really want a improve in my finance but God was building me for something great. Things was like this I told myself I want to SLOW DOWN a little bit. That was how I start regressing in spiritual things. That was my down fall. And up until this moment I have never fully recovered from that fall. As I am writing this am still regretting. If only I didn't slow down. Op pls what you are doing is best. Don't slow down or stop. God is building you for something great |
Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Michael547(m): 12:02pm On Apr 28 |
Emusan:πππ.....I agree that all 'spirit' of good and bad people returns to God who lives 'in heaven' as Ecclesiastics 12:7 shows. Oya answer my questions before we proceed. So Why are you saying that some spirit and soul do not return to God 'in heaven' before going to hell fire? Which other bible verse shows that God created man and put 'His Spirit' in man that is different from the 'breath of life' in Genesis 2:7? If you say the spirit of man and Animal is different, explain Ecclesiastics 3:19 in the screenshot below?
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Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Emusan(m): 12:28pm On Apr 28 |
Michael547: Now, it's established that SOMETHING ACTUALLY SURVIVED after man's death! So, why do you agree with watchtower that claimed nothing survived man after death? Oya answer my questions before we proceed. I never said that, stop lying. I said THE SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD. Which other bible verse shows that God created man and put 'His Spirit' in man that is different from the 'breath of life' in Genesis 2:7? Job 32:8 If you say the spirit of man and Animal is different, explain Ecclesiastics 3:19 in the screenshot below? Eccl 3:19 is about BREATH both in Man and Animals. Even though some translations used SPIRIT but the best rendition would be BREATH. "For people and animals share the same fateβboth breathe[a] and both must die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless!" |
Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Michael547(m): 12:45pm On Apr 28 |
Emusan:Watchtower never said that spirit don't leave the body when a person dies. We have said that the spirit in man is the same as 'the breath of life' in Genesis 2:7. The spirit is not the person as shown in Psalms 146:4 in the screenshot below. Where does Job 32:8 shows that the spirit in man is different from the breath of God in that same verse? You are a liar. You've said here that spirit and soul that goes to hell don't 'need' to go to God 'in heaven' before going to hell fire. And I have asked you where you got that interpretation from? You are a fraud to say that versions that uses spirit in Ecclesiastics 3:19 is wrong. What is the Hebrew word for spirit? Explain why different versions use spirit and breath in Psalms 146:4 in the screenshot below?
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Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Emusan(m): 1:00pm On Apr 28 |
Michael547: Watchtower said NOTHING SURVIVED after man's death. But it's evident that SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD. That is false teaching. We have said that the spirit in man is the same as 'the breath of life' in Genesis 2:7. The spirit is not the person as shown in Psalms 146:4 in the screenshot below. Pure lie! Breath of life is not THE SPIRIT IN MAN Psalm 146:4 you quoted never said SPIRIT isn't person. In fact, going by your own acceptance of Eccl 12:7, it means Psalm 146:4 is contradiction. This shows that, Breath of Life goes down but The SPIRIT OF MAN GOES BACK TO GOD WHO GAVE IT. Where does Job 32:8 shows that the spirit in man is different from the breath of God in that same verse? It's there, check your usual Biblehub for the interlinear and see two different words were used. The SPIRIT IS DIFFERENTIATED from the Breath of life. "But there is a spirit[a] within people, the breath of the Almighty within them, that makes them intelligent." - Job 32:8 Also, 1 Cor 2:11 shows that the SPIRIT OF MAN has ability to KNOW. Only a person can do that. You are a liar. You've said here that spirit and soul that goes to hell don't 'need' to go to God 'in heaven' before going to hell fire. And I have asked you where you got that interpretation from? You see why I do say you people lack simple comprehension. You said I'm a liar but it's evident that you're the liar here. This was your previous statement "So Why are you saying that some spirit and soul do not RETURN to God 'in heaven' before going to hell fire? Compare this with your statement above, which shows you deliberately lied against me. I was the one who cited Eccl 12:7, so why will you lie that I said some Spirit and Soul DO NOT RETURN TO GOD? You are a fraud to say that versions that uses spirit in Ecclesiastics 3:19 is wrong. What is the Hebrew word for spirit? Explain why different versions use spirit and breath in Psalms 146:4 in the screenshot below? It's like you just learn that word FRAUD. Did I say they are wrong? I said THE BEST RENDITION would have been 'BREATH' for people like who mistaken it for SPIRIT OF MAN L, and I went further to provide a translation that used 'BREATH'. Definitely you're lost on this subject matter! |
Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by PeterObi4Presid: 2:47pm On Apr 28 |
delkuf:Your experience is well noted.. thanks |
Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Michael547(m): 5:33pm On Apr 28 |
Emusan: πππ...but you agree that Psalms 146:4 says that 'spirit' is also 'breath' according to other versions abi? So the breath is now the personππ according to you? So why are you having an issue with Ecclesiastics 3:19 Job 32:8 clearly shows that the spirit within people is the 'breath' of the Almighty God as stated in Genesis 2:7 that was given to Adam. Oga we've agreed that all spirit returns to God...why are you now denying that spirits that go to God in heaven don't get into heaven before going to hell....that is the problem i have with you. Where did you get that interpretation from? At the bolded....you are a fraud once again....who are you to determine what the best rendition is in Ecclesiastics 3:19? Are you saying that versions that use 'breath' in Psalms 146:4 are also wrong? Just because you want to twist the truth, you are bringing an argument of best rendition. |
Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Aemmyjah(m): 5:40pm On Apr 28 |
Michael547: Don't mind that boy He loves our attention Craves it sef |
Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Emusan(m): 8:40pm On Apr 28 |
Here is my point you dodged. Watchtower said NOTHING SURVIVED after man's death. But it's evident that SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD. That is false teaching. If you're not a fraud you won't leave any point unaddressed. Michael547: No! Read my post again, this time slowly. So the breath is now the personππ according to you? Breath is different from Spirit in Man. That's my point and Spirit in man According to 1 Corin 2:11 has ABILITY TO KNOW. Which means it's a PERSON because only a PERSON can KNOW, true or false? So why are you having an issue with Ecclesiastics 3:19 I don't have issue with Eccl 3:19 the point there is that, it was BREATH that was used Not SPIRIT. Do you get it? Job 32:8 clearly shows that the spirit within people is the 'breath' of the Almighty God as stated in Genesis 2:7 that was given to Adam. No! Job 32:8 clearly shows there's different between the Spirit in Man and Breath that was the reason the two Hebrew words used are different in that verse. Oga we've agreed that all spirit returns to God...why are you now denying that spirits that go to God in heaven don't get into heaven before going to hell....that is the problem i have with you. Where did you get that interpretation from? At the bolded....you are a fraud once again....who are you to determine what the best rendition is in Ecclesiastics 3:19? That is because you lack understanding of the scriptures. Check your Biblehub to know how the Hebrew words were used, I can't spoonfeed you on that Are you saying that versions that use 'breath' in Psalms 146:4 are also wrong? Already answered! Stop going back. Just because you want to twist the truth, you are bringing an argument of best rendition. The twister of the truth is you who claimed you agree with Eccl 12:7 yet still believe nothing survived man after death. You're a fraud and twister for AGREEING WITH WATCHTOWER that NOTHING SURVIVED man AFTER DEATH. |
Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Michael547(m): 11:00pm On Apr 28 |
Emusan: Below in the screenshot is your homework of the meaning of 'spirit' in Ecclesiastics 12:7, Job 32:8, Psalms 146:4. You can see Clearly that they have the same meaning with 'BREATH' in Ecclesiastics 3:19. I hope you can see why BREATH in Ecclesiastics 3:19 is Correctly rendered as 'Spirit' in other translations And why Spirit in Psalms 146:4 is also correctly rendered BREATH in other translations because they have the same meaning. I'm done with this discussion with you. Have a nice day.
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Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by brazenwalls: 10:38am On Apr 29 |
Please use this period very well, you will not always have the time to do this again. Its a season of promotion and it is demanding time and a lot from you. Stay with it. THIS SEASON MAY NOT COME AGAIN FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. PeterObi4Presid: |
Re: My Spiritual Fervency Is Affecting My Secular Interests: How Do I Find Balance? by Emusan(m): 11:24am On Apr 29 |
Michael547: You didn't address my post! |
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