MaxInDHouse:
OK!

jazzman7711:

Is that all you can say?

jazzman7711:
There were no writers named ‘Matthew’, ‘Mark’, ‘Luke’ and ‘John’.

Those names were simply attached to ANONYMOUSLY written texts.

So nobody actually knows who wrote the New Testament.

It’s completely anonymous!

The texts materialised from goodness-knows-where roughly 70 years after ‘Jesus’ had supposedly ‘ascended to heaven’.

All this is well known to the church, ie the Vatican etc.

People are just being misled with this christianity of a thing.

How can you be worshiping something and yet you don’t know who wrote the book?

adeoyekay:
Guy focus your energy on something better you are still here talking against the gospel don't you know the more you do it the more Christianity gain stands

jazzman7711:

But aren’t you interested in knowing who wrote the gospels you are worshiping?
Are you a robot?

MaxInDHouse:


Nobody is free from worshiping something yet nobody was there when what he worships started!

jazzman7711:


But aren’t you interested in knowing who wrote the gospels you are worshiping?

Are you a robot?

jazzman7711:

Everyone is “free from worshiping something”. Atheists and agnostics exist. So what do you mean? Plus you need a better excuse for worshiping a ‘saviour’ based on ANONYMOUSLY written texts. CARE TO TELL US WHY THEY AFFIXED THE FAKE NAMES LIKE Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to the texts?
That’s DECEPTION, isn’t it?

adeoyekay:
The Gospel is good enough for me and besides I know them not you will tell me that
Guy rest find something meaningful to do

MaxInDHouse:


First of all you don't have to deceive yourself be it atheist or agnostic everyone worships one thing or another they may not admit but that's the irrefutable truth.
Secondly it's you who claimed that the gospel writers never existed so that's your take not mine.
Finally i have my own personal reason why i believe everything that's written in the gospel in fact apart from the gospel i can never agree that there is any God if not for the gospel!

jazzman7711:
■ There were no writers named ‘Matthew’, ‘Mark’, ‘Luke’ and ‘John’. Those names were simply attached to ANONYMOUSLY written texts. So nobody actually knows who wrote the New Testament. It’s completely anonymous! The texts materialised from goodness-knows-where roughly 70 years after ‘Jesus’ had supposedly ‘ascended to heaven’. All this is well known to the church, ie the Vatican etc. People are just being misled with this christianity of a thing.
■ How can you be worshiping something and yet you don’t know who wrote the book?

jazzman7711:
There were no writers named ‘Matthew’, ‘Mark’, ‘Luke’ and ‘John’.

Those names were simply attached to ANONYMOUSLY written texts.

So nobody actually knows who wrote the New Testament.

It’s completely anonymous!

The texts materialised from goodness-knows-where roughly 70 years after ‘Jesus’ had supposedly ‘ascended to heaven’.

All this is well known to the church, ie the Vatican etc.

People are just being misled with this christianity of a thing.

How can you be worshiping something and yet you don’t know who wrote the book?

jazzman7711:


Everyone is “free from worshiping something”. Atheists and agnostics exist. So what do you mean?

Plus you need a better excuse for worshiping a ‘saviour’ based on ANONYMOUSLY written texts.

CARE TO TELL US WHY THEY AFFIXED THE FAKE NAMES LIKE Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to the texts?

That’s DECEPTION, isn’t it?

jazzman7711:

😂
It says it right here. The real writers of the New Testament are unknown:
“The gospels (and Acts) are anonymous, in that none of them provide the name of the author within their text”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible#:~:text=The%20traditional%20authors%20are%20unknown,brother%20of%20James%22%20(Epistle%20of

jazzman7711:
There were no writers named ‘Matthew’, ‘Mark’, ‘Luke’ and ‘John’.

Those names were simply attached to ANONYMOUSLY written texts.

So nobody actually knows who wrote the New Testament.

It’s completely anonymous!

The texts materialised from goodness-knows-where roughly 70 years after ‘Jesus’ had supposedly ‘ascended to heaven’.

All this is well known to the church, ie the Vatican etc.

People are just being misled with this christianity of a thing.

How can you be worshiping something and yet you don’t know who wrote the book?

jazzman7711:
There were no writers named ‘Matthew’, ‘Mark’, ‘Luke’ and ‘John’.

Those names were simply attached to ANONYMOUSLY written texts.

So nobody actually knows who wrote the New Testament.

It’s completely anonymous!

The texts materialised from goodness-knows-where roughly 70 years after ‘Jesus’ had supposedly ‘ascended to heaven’.

All this is well known to the church, ie the Vatican etc.

People are just being misled with this christianity of a thing.

How can you be worshiping something and yet you don’t know who wrote the book?

Emusan:


That means the New Testament should be discarded in its entirety, right?

jazzman7711:
There were no writers named ‘Matthew’, ‘Mark’, ‘Luke’ and ‘John’.

Those names were simply attached to ANONYMOUSLY written texts.

So nobody actually knows who wrote the New Testament.

It’s completely anonymous!

The texts materialised from goodness-knows-where roughly 70 years after ‘Jesus’ had supposedly ‘ascended to heaven’.

All this is well known to the church, ie the Vatican etc.

People are just being misled with this christianity of a thing.

How can you be worshiping something and yet you don’t know who wrote the book?

Lucifyre:


Well done you just discovered pseudepigraphy.

jazzman7711:


You don’t know a single thing about the origin of the New Testament.

You’ve never researched anything about it.

You are just a receiver of garbage from a pastor demanding your tithe.

AbuTwins:


According to modern research and scholarship, there is a consensus that the Gospels are not considered pseudepigraphical. Pseudepigraphy refers to the practice of falsely attributing a work to a specific author. In the case of the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), while the exact authors are not definitively known, they are traditionally attributed to these names.

Scholars generally believe that the Gospels were not intended to deceive readers about their authorship. Instead, they are seen as works that were compiled by early Christian communities based on oral traditions, eyewitness accounts, and other sources. The Gospels were likely written anonymously, with the traditional attributions to specific disciples (such as Matthew and John) being added later for identification purposes.

While modern scholarship acknowledges that the Gospels underwent editing and redaction over time, they are not typically classified as pseudepigraphical in the same way that other ancient texts are. The focus is more on understanding the historical context, literary styles, theological perspectives, and intended audiences of the Gospel writers rather than questioning their authorship as deliberate forgeries.

Lucifyre:


Hehe! I too know how to use a gpt for copy pasta. First off where did this modern consensus that they're not pseudepigraphy come from, probably the gpt trying not to be offensive. There are lots of books in the new testament where authorship is claimed but the attributed authors certainly didn't write and certainly claimed to be who they're not, if that's not forgery i don't know what is. Normally they'll be called forgeries, but because that's a morally loaded term most academic and historical scholars prefer the term psesudepigrapha.

Yes not all the 27 books are pseudepigrapha, some've got pseudonymous authorship or rather pseudepigraphic which is, they are falsely attributed to the authors and not necessarily the authors claiming that they are so-and-so person, but by some circumstance they were falsely attributegnod to the author, so basically false attribution. The rest are well yeah, they're non-pseudepigraphical or say autonomous. Even 2 thesselonians 2:2 and 3:17 highlights this issue of forgeries and they were welll aware.

Out of the 27 books just 8 have a consensus of being non-psedepigraphical. 7 out of 13 letters attributed to Paul are actually written by him and then a guy named John that wrote revelation, not necessarily John son of Zebedee but a John as it was a common name. Romans, 1st & 2nd Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians 1st Thessalonians and Philemon were written by Paul and the others either probably not or almost certainly not depending on which scholar you ask. So if someone claiming to be Paul wrote something and passed it as Paul, if that isn't Pseudepigraphy i don't know what is.

Sources : Bart Ehrman, Forgeries & Counter forgeries
            Elaine Pagels, The Gnostic Gospels
            John Crossan, Birth of Christianity.

AbuTwins:


According to modern research and scholarship, there is a consensus that the Gospels are not considered pseudepigraphical. Pseudepigraphy refers to the practice of falsely attributing a work to a specific author. In the case of the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), while the exact authors are not definitively known, they are traditionally attributed to these names.

Scholars generally believe that the Gospels were not intended to deceive readers about their authorship. Instead, they are seen as works that were compiled by early Christian communities based on oral traditions, eyewitness accounts, and other sources. The Gospels were likely written anonymously, with the traditional attributions to specific disciples (such as Matthew and John) being added later for identification purposes.

While modern scholarship acknowledges that the Gospels underwent editing and redaction over time, they are not typically classified as pseudepigraphical in the same way that other ancient texts are. The focus is more on understanding the historical context, literary styles, theological perspectives, and intended audiences of the Gospel writers rather than questioning their authorship as deliberate forgeries.

MaxInDHouse:


Is it not humans that wrote what you're referencing?

Ọmọ wise up everything you can quote was written by humans so there's no evidence to prove that the gospel writers never existed!

jazzman7711:
Instead of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, he says, the real authors were anonymous Christians who relied on hearsay and legend rather than eyewitness testimony. He claims that the canonical Gospels were written in the third person, and were not attested for, in church fathers until Irenaeus, in the late second century.''

Kobojunkie:
I disagree with him on the part in bold! There is no evidence to back up the claim that the writers were not eyewitnesses or at least commissioned by eyewitnesses! All of those books, including the book of Revelation were written in the first century, before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

jazzman7711:
■ How could they be eyewitnesses when the gospels were written nearly a century after the alleged 'ascension' of 'Jesus'? None of the 'gospels' were written before 70 AD!
■ Why the hell would the ''SON OF GOD'' come to Earth, perform all sorts of 'miracles', get crucified and rise from the dead before flying up to heaven in front of onlookers, and nobody would write a single word about him until 70 years or more after he lived? Come on now.........you being played.
■ ''Like the rest of the New Testament, the four gospels were written in Greek. The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66–70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85–90, and John AD 90–110.'' .

jazzman7711:
There were no writers named ‘Matthew’, ‘Mark’, ‘Luke’ and ‘John’.

Those names were simply attached to ANONYMOUSLY written texts.

So nobody actually knows who wrote the New Testament.

It’s completely anonymous!

The texts materialised from goodness-knows-where roughly 70 years after ‘Jesus’ had supposedly ‘ascended to heaven’.

All this is well known to the church, ie the Vatican etc.

It took me decades to be detached from the lies I've found on the "gospel" I once believed.
After reading and studying Josephus Flavius, Suetonious Tranquilus and 1 book of Joseph Atwill (the Caesarś Messiah) I was one of those sheep expecting he came, when I already noticed 1) "he" was delayed in 2.000 years and 2) Jesus had not changed my mind nor the visceral acts on the body of sin I desired to throw away. I uselessly preached on the streets for nothing, except, I finally got the insight I needed to know, to get the moral values many books have, to operate deep in me. I do not know if any of you had studied "The Piso Project" or had watched a video (hosted at Archive. org) where Mr A. Reuchlin explained his theory on this traditional or cultural subject.

However, I do believe in several things related to prophecy, yet not in Josephus proselytizing Titus was bound to be the messiah Jews were expecting those days (as also could be read on several lines of the Qumran scrolls)

Additionally and OUT of topic: Why the "delete my account is not functioning?" that made me feel I was a hostage... So, after I read DON´T s above, after I checked HONEST words on the Admin's blog... I felt I was lied, just the way many ppl were set in a pen, to be kept as pigs or hem (producing egg) [Some surely know what I meant] and I leave some pictures I kept (in case I was an hostage)

People are just being misled with this Christianity of a thing.

How can you be worshiping something and yet you don’t know who wrote the book?

jazzman7711:

The gospels are ANONYMOUSLY WRITTEN meaning nobody knows who wrote them!