Among the teaching of the word of faith movement,the one I find most dangerous is this teaching which stipulates that once a christian is born again,he is already saved.This implies that subsequent sins commited by this christian is already "washed" by the blood of Jesus.

I would like to see how major WOFer exponents like joagbaje,newmi et.c defend this horrendous teaching

2 Timothy 2:23
23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

Besides ,I'm not a wofer, if you want to ask a question ,simply ask

chukwudi44:

Among the teaching of the word of faith movement,the one I find most dangerous is this teaching which stipulates that once a christian is born again,he is already saved.This implies that subsequent sins commited by this christian is already "washed" by the blood of Jesus.

I would like to see how major WOFer exponents like joagbaje,newmi et.c defend this horrendous teaching

so whats the essence of the Jesus shedding His blood
Why did Jesus come?

so whats the essence of the Jesus shedding His blood
Why did Jesus come

Of cousre Jesus did come to die for our salvation.That still does not mean we are automatically saved by simply getting born again once and after that relapse into sin still hoping to be saved afterall.

One of the reasons Mahatma Ghandi gave for not converting to xtainity.
Once you proclaim to be born again, any sin committed after that does not count, ie, you can commit any sin at all and still go to heaven after being born again. The devil is capitalizing on the ignorance and the easy way out attitude of men to sway them into hell and yet make them feel arrogantly right and others wrong! End time strategy! Lie of the devil!

chukwudi44:

Of cousre Jesus did come to die for our salvation.That still does not mean we are automatically saved by simply getting born again once and after that relapse into sin still hoping to be saved afterall.

Why would you want to sin anyway?. If a Christian falls into a sin, he should simply repent  of it. And come out of it. The blood of Jesus wipes him clean. But he can keep away from such error by constant meditation on the word of God. He receives ability to live above sin.

@joagabje.

This is what the WOF maovement teaches;

The Bible teaches “once saved, always saved” -- that we can be saved once and for all only through a repentant, saving faith in Jesus Christ. Once a person has accepted Christ as Savior, they may wonder if it is possible to lose that salvation. What if they commit a sin? What if they commit a lot of sins? What if they do something very, very wrong? Is it possible to be saved, and then lose that salvation? Fortunately, the answer is a resounding “no.” Once a person has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, he/she is forever saved. This fact is referred to as the doctrine of “eternal security,” often summarized as “once saved, always saved


This dangerous doctrine presuposes that once a man is born again,he can never again be lost to damnation.This view is achieved by blatant distortion of selected bible passages.

^LATANT with a big B in front

^LATANT with a big B in front

chukwudi44:

@joagabje.

This is what the WOF maovement teaches;

The Bible teaches “once saved, always saved” -- that we can be saved once and for all only through a repentant, saving faith in Jesus Christ. Once a person has accepted Christ as Savior, they may wonder if it is possible to lose that salvation. What if they commit a sin? What if they commit a lot of sins? What if they do something very, very wrong? Is it possible to be saved, and then lose that salvation? Fortunately, the answer is a resounding “no.” Once a person has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, he/she is forever saved. This fact is referred to as the doctrine of “eternal security,” often summarized as “once saved, always saved
This dangerous doctrine presuposes that once a man is born again,he can never again be lost to damnation.This view is achieved by blatant distortion of selected bible passages.

Well I don't know who the woofers are. I take the word of God for what it says. There is no sin a christens can commit that God can't  forgive. The blood of Jesus cleans all Sins .  Except a man goes into  apostasy .  

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 

1 John 5:16-17
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin[ which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Jo, stop playing with the nail. When does God forgive a christian that commits sin, is it if he/she prays for forgiveness OR before?

Both, But all depends on the case. I should start with you. I can't count how many times you have joined others on this forum to sin against christ and his church by all these evil speaking of you guys ,mouth speaking guile. Will God forgive you.have you asked for forgiveness. Evil speaking against another Christian is a sin! Not to talk about a man of God.

I understand some of you sin in ignorance because you didn't know those things were sins, God grace cover for a sin in  ignorance, but a wilful sin is different. There is different between felling into a sin and living in sin. If a christens sins, the holyspirit will convict his heart and he repents. Except if his heart is harden. That's a danger zone, when a man conscience no longer feel bad for erring fling. That's why regular fellowship with the word and fellow Christian is important. The conscience of such person will be purified. And it will prevent the conscience from being hardened

 Hebrews 3:13
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

 1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 

The only way we can have a complete truthful answer to this is if you understand the doctrine of Election. "Once Saved, always saved" is very true but not in the context of the "wofers" or whatever you call them. Unfortunately I cannot go into Election now, not in this thread.


1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Joagbaje
Let me be extra clear on this because i know your mouth is as smooth as butter. When you say you CAN'T COUNT the number of times image123 has sinned on this forum against Christ and His church, are you saying you CAN'T see any such instance, or that there are numerous/many times i've sinned against Christ and His church on this forum?
If it is the latter, please i ask you(not for the first time) to point just 2or 3instances to me. Are you 'ignorantly' an accuser of the brethren?

chukwudi44:

Among the teaching of the word of faith movement,the one I find most dangerous is this teaching which stipulates that once a christian is born again,he is already saved.This implies that subsequent sins commited by this christian is already "washed" by the blood of Jesus.

I would like to see how major WOFer exponents like joagbaje,newmi et.c defend this horrendous teaching

Nice post,topic.You should consider reading the thread,''Can A Believer Lose Salvation?'' (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-428061.0.html).More on your post later.

@Toluxa
Quite an age! So good to 'see' you again.

Ah, my dear brother, how are you doing. longest time. Thanks for the link.

Kindly find below bible passages which contradict this dangerous heresy

Romans 11:22: "Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off."
1 Corinthians 9:25-27: "Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. So…I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified." Galatians 5:4: "You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace."
2 Peter 2:20: "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first." Colossians 1:21-23: "And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death…if indeed you continue in the faith."
In Philemon 1:24 and Colossians 4:14, Demas is described as being a co-worker of Paul. But in 2 Timothy 4:10, Paul says that he "has deserted me." The reason─"because he loved this world."
Revelation 3:2-5: "Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God…. Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments, and they will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels

Hebrews.10.26
For there is no longer any sacrifice that will take away sins if we purposely go on sinning after the truth has been made known to us.
27.Instead all that is left is to wait in fear for the coming judgment and the fierce fire which will destroy those who oppose God.

Even those who were once saved will have to wait for the fierce fire and God's judgment if they purposely go on sinning.

karo93:

Hebrews.10.26
For there is no longer any sacrifice that will take away sins if we purposely go on sinning after the truth has been made known to us.
27.Instead all that is left is to wait in fear for the coming judgment and the fierce fire which will destroy those who oppose God.

Even those who were once saved will have to wait for the fierce fire and God's judgment if they purposely go on sinning.

Well, to continue with that passage to the end:
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32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. 
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39[b] But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.[/b]
Hebrews 10:32-39.
(KJV)

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Where is that Joagbaje? i know you saw my previous post, and you've since posted on another thread. Are you again proving to be a liar and a false accuser after the pharisaic order?

1 John 2:19 out of us they went forth, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but--that they might be manifested that they are not all of us.


People who you see departing from the faith proves one thing that they were never of the faith.

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Read the posts and reply as though you want to know more and not that you want to argue, being abusive is not an identity of christ, so let ur conversation be without corruption,
Don't liv by ur church's doctrine but by the WORD, thanks, may God bless his church,

[i][/i]


Read the posts and reply as though you want to know more and not that you want to argue, being abusive is not an identity of christ, so let ur conversation be without corruption,
Don't liv by ur church's doctrine but by the WORD, thanks, may God bless his church,
But note the difference between a cat and a pig when they fell in dirty water.

[i][/i]


Read the posts and reply as though you want to know more and not that you want to argue, being abusive is not an identity of christ, so let ur conversation be without corruption,
Don't liv by ur church's doctrine but by the WORD, thanks, may God bless his church,
But note the difference between a cat and a pig when they fell in dirty water.

[i][/i]


Read the posts and reply as though you want to know more and not that you want to argue, being abusive is not an identity of christ, so let ur conversation be without corruption,
Don't liv by ur church's doctrine but by the WORD, thanks, may God bless his church,
But note the difference between a cat and a pig when they fell in dirty water.

toluxa1:

Ah, my dear brother, how are you doing. longest time. Thanks for the link.

I am fine.Ah! It is our good old dear link.

toluxa1:

The only way we can have a complete truthful answer to this is if you understand the doctrine of Election. "Once Saved, always saved" is very true but not in the context of the "wofers" or whatever you call them. Unfortunately I cannot go into Election now, not in this thread.


1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Now, that would be a good place to start.Why not on this thread?

i suppose the Aim of this thread is to partly accuse CEC of this doctrine.
so plz lets go to the point is CEC guilty of this doctrine?


I think it will be wise to highlight the churches in Nigeria that propagate this doctrine than throwing blind accusations


One of the doctrines of the catholic church is that if u pray certain prayers or say certain words(or even hold/use the scapular) u will never make hell
(your lifestyle not withstanding or not significant or not emphasized)

what is the connection between word of faith and this doctrine. there are many word of faith that dont believe in this doctrine because faith without works is dead!

i suppose the Aim of this thread is to partly accuse CEC of this doctrine.
so plz lets go to the point is CEC guilty of this doctrine

I suppose younare suffering from halucinations.Did i single out just the CEC .I mentioned the notorious WOF movement and these includes every ochristian sect that subscribes to it's debased theology.

I think it will be wise to highlight the churches in Nigeria that propagate this doctrine than throwing blind accusations

I will continue to criticize WOF doctrines whereever i find them whether in the US or here in Nigeria.

One of the doctrines of the catholic church is that if u pray certain prayers or say certain words(or even hold/use the scapular) u will never make hell
(your lifestyle not withstanding or not significant or not emphasized)

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that sacramentals such as the Brown Scapular "do not confer the grace of the Holy Spirit in the way that the sacraments do, but by the Church's prayer, they prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it."

Today, the Carmelite Orders, while encouraging a belief in Mary's aid and prayerful assistance for their souls beyond death and commending devotion to Mary especially on Saturdays which are dedicated to her, explicitly state in their official catechetical materials that they do not promulgate the Sabbatine privilege, and are at one with official Church teaching on the matter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapular_of_Our_Lady_of_Mount_Carmel

Brethren,

Understand this and understand it well. Even christians go to hell.
there are "christians" in hell today, and theirs is much worse. God is not a respecter of person and to whom much is given, much is expected.

Christianity, the religion, is just that.
The true life and benefit behind it can only come from living a Christ-like life.

Shall not the Judge of all earth do right?
One just need think back to the days of the inquisition. The inquisitors where all "christians", yet they were brutally torturing and killing those they deem "heretics", some of these heretics being the actual true followers of Christ.
Would it then be just if these inquisitors (some of them even enjoying it) who tortured folk be given the prize of eternal life?

The true and full council of the word of God has been tainted by new unknown doctrine, the same that has been warned against very sternly in almost all the books of the old testament.

In 2008 a nigerian had a near death experience. Just watch this part on youtube in particular, and if you so wish, you can watch the others. Once saved always saved is a subtle doctrine from hell.

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. . . in this particular story, this is why Jesus himself urged us not to let the sun go down without having forgiven others of their sin to us. God is not mocked oooo.