Ken4Christ:


Enjoy your trip to hell. I will supervise your torture. Satan has you bound.

Talking as if hell exists Religious stories no dey tire una?

Ken4Christ:


Enjoy your trip to hell. I will supervise your torture. Satan has you bound.

Lol...you really don't know anything..

You thought you had a good knowledge of the Bible, but it turns out you where a toddler..

Asper your hell, where I come from....we eat 🔥 fire

geoworldedu:
Talking as if hell exists Religious stories no dey tire una?

Yes it does. Jesus went to hell so you won't have to go there. Tell me of anything that has a name but doesn't exist.

22jumpstreet:


Lol...you really don't know anything..

You thought you had a good knowledge of the Bible, but it turns out you where a toddler..

Asper your hell, where I come from....we eat 🔥 fire

So many that neglected their salvation are in great torment now begging for another chance. But it's too late. You that is alive have the opportunity to repent. Don't think it's a joke. It's real friend.

Ken4Christ:


Yes it does. Jesus went to hell so you won't have to go there. Tell me of anything that has a name but doesn't exist.

Oyibo racist went to hell so a black negro like me won't have to go there

geoworldedu:
Oyibo racist went to hell so a black negro like me won't have to go there

He went there to suffer the punishment you and I were supposed to suffer. This is uncommon love. And he defeated the devil there and collected the keys of hell and death from him - Revelation 1:18.

Ken4Christ:


He went there to suffer the punishment you and I were supposed to suffer. This is uncommon love. And he defeated the devil there and collected the keys of hell and death from him - Revelation 1:18.

21st century man still talking like the cavemen

geoworldedu:
21st century man still talking like the cavemen

It doesn't make sense but it's true. Spiritual things doesn't appeal to the carnal mind. So, I am not surprised you are talking this way. But it's true.

Ken4Christ:


It doesn't make sense but it's true. Spiritual things doesn't appeal to the carnal mind. So, I am not surprised you are talking this way. But it's true.

honesttalk21:


Who is ALA-MADUDI IBN KATHIR?
I will appreciate a link if there's one.

I know Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi as a person but not ALA-MAUDUDI IBN-KATHIR.



From your post relating they rejected the Prophethood of Jesus and brought him to the court for crucifixion, and thus incurred the wrath of Allah.

Does this say Jesus was actually crucified? Or died as a result?

Did Ala-Madudi in his Taysir on Quran 4:157 not say?

...
The fact that they bragged of slaying Jesus, knowing him to be a Messenger of God, shows how bold they had become in their crimes. We have shown in the previous Note that the miracle of his speech in the cradle had let no doubt whatsoever to remain in the minds of the Jews about his Prophethood. Then the clear signs that they witnessed from him (III : 49) were a conclusive proof that he was really a Prophet of God. Therefore their wicked behavior towards him was not the result of any misunderstanding about his Prophethood, but was an intentional crime against the one who had been appointed by Allah as Messenger.

.....

Even according to the Bible, when the Prophet Jeremiah rebuked the Jews on account of their transgressions, they accused him of being in conspiracy with the Chaldeans and traitor against his people and sent him to prison. Likewise had the Jews treated John the Baptist a couple of years before the crucifixion of the Prophet Jesus. They counted John as a Prophet and acknowledged him as one of the most righteous men of their community, but when he criticized Herod (the ruler of Judea) for his evil ways, he was not tolerated. He was first sent to prison, then beheaded on the demand of Herod's beloved, the dancing girl.
It is, therefore, obvious from their record that when they presumed that they had crucified Jesus Christ, they bragged: "We have slain a Messenger of Allah. "
This is another parenthesis.
[b]This verse is explicit on the point that the Prophet Jesus Christ was rescued from crucifixion and that the Christians and the Jews are both wrong in believing that he died on the cross/b]. Ditto Ken4Christ

Allah saved Isa a.s (Yehushua) from crucifixion and death by the hands of the rebellious Jews/Israelites.

Surely at the appropriate time Isa a.s will die.

Sorry you have been more deceived as many others for centuries.


....
As a proof thereof, the following is quoted from the Talmud: "When the city (Jerusalem) had been captured, Nebuchadnezzar marched with the princes and officers of the Temple...... On one of the walls he found the mark of an arrow's head as though somebody had been killed or hit nearby, and he asked who was killed there.
"Zachariah, the son of Yehoyadah, the high priest", answered the people. "He rebuked us incessantly on account of our transgressions and we were tired of his words and put him to death."
Even according to the Bible, when the Prophet Jeremiah rebuked the Jews on account of their transgressions, they accused him of being in conspiracy with the Chaldeans and traitor against his people and sent him to prison. Likewise had the Jews treated John the Baptist a couple of years before the crucifixion of the Prophet Jesus. They counted John as a Prophet and acknowledged him as one of the most righteous men of their community, but when he criticized Herod (the ruler of Judea) for his evil ways, he was not tolerated. He was first sent to prison, then beheaded on the demand of Herod's beloved, the dancing girl.
It is, therefore, obvious from their record that when they presumed that they had crucified Jesus Christ, they bragged: "We have slain a Messenger of Allah. "
This is another parenthesis.
This verse is explicit on the point that the Prophet Jesus Christ was rescued from crucifixion and that the Christians and the Jews are both wrong in believing that he died on the cross.

6The priests said to Nebuzaradan: This blood is the blood of a priest and a prophet who prophesied for the Jewish people with regard to the destruction of Jerusalem and whom they killed. He said to the priests: I will pacify the blood so the boiling will stop. He brought the Sages and killed them over the blood and its boiling did not cease. He brought schoolchildren and killed them over the blood and its boiling did not cease. He brought young priests and killed them over the blood and its boiling did not cease. He continued killing until he killed 940,000 people over the blood, and its boiling did not cease.
Nebuzaradan approached the blood and said: Zechariah, Zechariah, the worthy among them I killed on your behalf. Is it satisfactory for you that I kill them all? Immediately the boiling ceased. Nebuzaradan contemplated repentance. He said: If they, who caused only one person to perish, gained atonement only after all this killing, then with regard to that man, referring to himself, what will be required for him to gain atonement? He deserted his army and dispatched a last will to his house and converted.


A comparative study of the Qur'an and the Bible shows that most probably it was Jesus himself who stood his trial in the court of Pilate, who sentenced him to death, but they could not kill or crucify him, for Allah raised him to Himself.

Ken4Christ:


You don't understand my point. Jesus said he will die but your Quran said he didn't die. This is a contradiction because Prophets speaks under the inspiration of the spirit of God. And what they say are supposed to come to pass.

The Quran says clearly that he didn't die as a result of crucifixion.
Quran 4:157
and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.”But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.


Crucifixion was the most horrible, degrading punishment possible. Not only did it cause the terrifying and lengthy agony, but also it was designed to humiliate and shame the victim in the greatest way possible.

Your programs lie that this was done to enable Jesus take up the sins of mankind and I challenge you to provide examples before this where your biblicalGod ties forgiveness to offering of sacrifice.

Josephus, the Jewish historian of the first century A.D., called crucifixion “the most wretched of deaths”. Also because crucifixion was so horrible, only three groups of people deserved to die by that means: traitors, the most violent criminals and slaves.

Jews and pagan Gentiles stumbled over the fact that Christians worshipped as the Son of God a Person who had died the death of a slave or violent criminal. To them the idea that a crucified man could be the Son of God was an irreconcilable contradiction.

Doesn't Deuteronomy 21:23 say ...he who is hanged is accursed by God? So your god got acccursed himself and is seen to be so to make himself worthy to be called God. Wonderful!

The rejection of a crucified messiah by Jews stems from their expectations of a triumphant and powerful leader who would deliver them from oppression and establish a glorious kingdom.

The traditional Jewish understanding of the Messiah was one who would defeat their enemies, particularly the Romans, and elevate Israel to a position of prominence in the world. When Jesus, instead of leading a military conquest, allowed himself to be arrested, tried, and crucified, he did not align with the anticipated role of the Messiah as a victorious ruler.

Ken4Christ:


Messiah means Saviour. The whole human race was under the power of darkness on account of the sin of the first man, Adam. And the Bible says that the wages of sin is death. So, for us to be free from the power of darkness, someone has to die for the entire human race. And Jesus was the only person qualified to die for us. Three reasons he was the only one who could die for us are;

1. He was born of a virgin. So, the sin nature of Adam was not in him. In other words, he was born sinless. And it's only a sinless man that can die for the sinful world.

So, to even said he die makes a mockery of his birth. Why did God look for a virgin to carry that Saviour of the world and he didn't fulfil his mission.

2. He was subjected to the same kind of temptation the first Adam failed. But Jesus didn't fail.

3. He fulfilled all the prophecies of the Old Testament. He was a Jew. He was of the lineage of David. And every other prophecies concerning him was fulfilled.

So, for Quran to say Jesus didn't die is to deny those deceived by such statement of their salvation.

It is faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus that saves a man. If you don't believe he died and rose from the dead, you cannot be saved - Romans 10:9-10.

But Jesus died and rose again. It is foolishness to believe the testimony of someone who was born over 500 years after the event happened and reject the testimonies of several eye witnesses some of which were his disciples.

Please, use your brain and don't be deceived.

Messiah, (from Hebrew mashiaḥ, “anointed”), in Judaism, the expected king of the Davidic line who would deliver Israel from foreign bondage and restore the glories of its golden age.

The Greek New Testament’s translation of the term, christos, became the accepted Christian designation and title of Jesus of Nazareth, indicative of the principal character and function of his ministry.

More loosely, the term messiah denotes any redeemer figure; and the adjective messianic is used in a broad sense to refer to beliefs or theories about an eschatological improvement of the state of humanity or the world.

Is there confusion or deliberate distortion of the actual meaning of the Hebrew word Mashia?

1. Isa a.s being born by a virgin is one of the signs manifested in him depicting the majestic ability of Allah the only creator.

2. Adam a.s was tempted not to eat from a tree where was Jesus given a command not to eat from a tree?

3. Did he really fulfill the prophecy revealed in Isaiah?

Was he king to the Jews and Israelites and seen as such?

John provides a different perspective on his trial detailing a preliminary inquiry before [b]Annas rather than Caiaphas?/b]

The emphasis is on private questioning rather than a formal trial setting.
When he was reported dead on the cross after a few hours was there surprise that he had died so soon? Good excuse not to break his legs?

Ken4Christ:


So many that neglected their salvation are in great torment now begging for another chance. But it's too late. You that is alive have the opportunity to repent. Don't think it's a joke. It's real friend.

Lol, so the brain washing worked on you. The people that even brought or sold you the ideology have Even abandoned it. You are here displaying your Ignorance..

22jumpstreet:


Lol, so the brain washing worked on you. The people that even brought or sold you the ideology have Even abandoned it. You are here displaying your Ignorance..

Are you aware historically that Jesus rose from the dead? No one has been able to refute that fact.

Ken4Christ:


Are you aware historically that Jesus rose from the dead? No one has been able to refute that fact.

Rose from the dead in the bible. It's not written in any other non-religious history book

Ken4Christ:


Are you aware historically that Jesus rose from the dead? No one has been able to refute that fact.

He never existed bro
Only a dunce will believe a woman can become pregnant without the input of a man...

It's a myth, Jesus is just a metaphor for the sun.(The sun of God)

22jumpstreet:


He never existed bro
Only a dunce will believe a woman can become pregnant without the input of a man...

It's a myth, Jesus is just a metaphor for the sun.(The sun of God)

But your birthday is with reference to Christ. Without him, you have no reference point for your birthday.

Even the newly BCE and CE still revolves around Christ. Jesus is the dividing line of history. And you say such a man never existed. The man who has been appointed to judge you. How will you feel standing before the very person you are trying to degrade?

geoworldedu:
Rose from the dead in the bible. It's not written in any other non-religious history book

It is in every available library. Even archeologist has found his empty tomb. You are not a student of history. Which school did you attend?

honesttalk21:


Who is ALA-MADUDI IBN KATHIR?
I will appreciate a link if there's one.

I know Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi as a person but not ALA-MAUDUDI IBN-KATHIR.

https://myislam.org/surah-maryam/ayat-33/

honesttalk21:

From your post relating they rejected the Prophethood of Jesus and brought him to the court for crucifixion, and thus incurred the wrath of Allah.

Does this say Jesus was actually crucified? Or died as a result?

I PRAY YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS

Is it while Jesus Christ was in cradle they rejected his prophethood?

Second Question, is it while Jesus Christ was in cradle they brought him to court for crucifixion?

honesttalk21:


Did Ala-Madudi in his Taysir on Quran 4:157 not say?

...
The fact that they bragged of slaying Jesus, knowing him to be a Messenger of God, shows how bold they had become in their crimes. We have shown in the previous Note that the miracle of his speech in the cradle had let no doubt whatsoever to remain in the minds of the Jews about his Prophethood. Then the clear signs that they witnessed from him (III : 49) were a conclusive proof that he was really a Prophet of God. Therefore their wicked behavior towards him was not the result of any misunderstanding about his Prophethood, but was an intentional crime against the one who had been appointed by Allah as Messenger.

.....

Is it in cradle they rejected his prophethood if YES, why do they reject his prophethood with Quran verse

honesttalk21:



Even according to the Bible, when the Prophet Jeremiah rebuked the Jews on account of their transgressions, they accused him of being in conspiracy with the Chaldeans and traitor against his people and sent him to prison. Likewise had the Jews treated John the Baptist a couple of years before the crucifixion of the Prophet Jesus. They counted John as a Prophet and acknowledged him as one of the most righteous men of their community, but when he criticized Herod (the ruler of Judea) for his evil ways, he was not tolerated. He was first sent to prison, then beheaded on the demand of Herod's beloved, the dancing girl.
It is, therefore, obvious from their record that when they presumed that they had crucified Jesus Christ, they bragged: "We have slain a Messenger of Allah. "
This is another parenthesis.
[b]This verse is explicit on the point that the Prophet Jesus Christ was rescued from crucifixion and that the Christians and the Jews are both wrong in believing that he died on the cross/b]. Ditto Ken4Christ

Taqqiya master you've come again lying for allah. Jeremiah didn't rebuked the Jews, it was God. God only spoke through Jeremiah, get your fact right before lying here and also, Jewish didn't beheaded John the Baptist. Herod was the Roman appointed king of Judaea, those that beheaded John the Baptist are Palestine

22jumpstreet:


You are just desperate. And you keep failing.
Immanuel is Isaiah s second son. The sign was for king Ahaz, it was to assure him that his kingdom will stand the threat of the northern kingdom and syria...read verse 16...

Try again mister.

Isaiah never had a son called Immanuel. The prophecy wasnt for Ahaz who is a faithless king, did horrible things including sacrificing his son in fire and built altars for pagan gods in the temple. God cared less if he was dethroned.

The prophecy was assurance that the throne of David will be forever secured and will not be truncated according to the plans of enemies kings.

The kings of Israel and Syria had planned to invade Jerusalem and remove Ahaz as king, then install son of Tabeel who was not from Judah to become king.
This will bring an end to davidic descendants monarchy and also God's promise to David that his descendant will always be enthroned in Judah so long as there's a monarchy.

God sent Isaiah to assure Ahaz that the David line of kings shall remain intact and the threat of syria- Israel will not terminate it.
The sign he gave was a confirmation of that Davidic covenant and has nothing to do with Ahaz reign.
That prophecy has both near and ultimate fulfilment seen in one vision.

The ultimate fulfilment was accomplished in Jesus Christ as confirmed by the angelic message to Mary.

Luke 1
31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High (Immanuel). The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

22jumpstreet:


He never existed bro
Only a dunce will believe a woman can become pregnant without the input of a man...

It's a myth, Jesus is just a metaphor for the sun.(The sun of God)

So historians who admitted historicity of Jesus are lying then...

Antilslaam:


https://myislam.org/surah-maryam/ayat-33/

From the link you sent, do you not see Ala Madudi and Ibn Kathir separated by a distance?

Do you not understand that these are are hyperlinks?

Ala Madudi is a different person from Ibn Kathir. Tap on the Ibn Kathir hyperlink and see his tafsir.

Now let me explain what you pretend not to understand.
"This speech in the cradle by Jesus was the sign to which the angel referred in (Surah Maryam, Ayat 21)"

What is in Surah Maryam, Ayah 21?

He replied, “So will it be! Your Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me. And so will We make him a sign for humanity and a mercy from Us.’ It is a matter ˹already˺ decreed.”

He who replied is Jibril r.a who appeared to Mary in the form of a man and this verse is a response to Mary's question in Quran 19:20; She wondered, “How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me, nor am I unchaste?”

The sign; Jesus, is the conception of a baby without a man.
The speech is not the sign but Jesus spoke in defence of his mother when she was challenged on how he came to be. The sign is the miraculous conception.

Antilslaam:

I PRAY YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS

Is it while Jesus Christ was in cradle they rejected his prophethood?

Second Question, is it while Jesus Christ was in cradle they brought him to court for crucifixion?

Is it in cradle they rejected his prophethood if YES, why do they reject his prophethood with Quran verse

You fail to understand and I am surprised at your reasoning. As a baby he was not rejected; as he grew and challenged their hypocrisy and they decided to eliminate him was when he was rejected.
Have you seen a baby crucified before? Is it not clear that the jews/Israelites believe they crucified a grown man Jesus though this is make belief as Jesus was not crucified or killed.
The people showed their rejection by their disbelief. Quran 3:52. Is their ploy to crucify him and lie of crucufying him not a rejection? 4:157

Antilslaam:

Taqqiya master you've come again lying for allah. Jeremiah didn't rebuked the Jews, it was God. God only spoke through Jeremiah, get your fact right before lying here and also, Jewish didn't beheaded John the Baptist. Herod was the Roman appointed king of Judaea, those that beheaded John the Baptist are Palestine

God spoke through Jeremiah but who was seen to be speaking or is recorded as speaking? I guess it is God that is writing here on nairaland.com and not you with your Monika? Ludicrous!

Jeremiah rebuked the Jews primarily by delivering stern warnings and prophecies of impending doom due to their faithlessness and idolatry
See the book of Jeremiah 7.

Then what do you know about Taqiyya? Let me educate you.

Taqiyyah is the practice of concealing one’s belief and foregoing ordinary religious duties when under threat of death or injury. It is derived from the Arabic word “waqa,” meaning to shield oneself.

Is my life threatened and in this case by you this internet bot? Do I hide that Islam is my religion in any way?

Please Mr copy cat think for yourself.

SIRTee15:


So historians who admitted historicity of Jesus are lying then...

Which ones?

And which evidence did they provide..

I am not disproving the fact that somebody named Jesus(Joshua) never existed around that time...but the one portrayed in the Bible Never existed.

22jumpstreet:


Which ones?

And which evidence did they provide..

I am not disproving the fact that somebody named Jesus(Joshua) never existed around that time...but the one portrayed in the Bible Never existed.

Did someone called Jesus of Nazareth exist. That's the issue.
And was he crucified for whatever reason.

SIRTee15:


Isaiah never had a son called Immanuel. The prophecy wasnt for Ahaz who is a faithless king, did horrible things including sacrificing his son in fire and built altars for pagan gods in the temple. God cared less if he was dethroned.

The prophecy was assurance that the throne of David will be forever secured and will not be truncated according to the plans of enemies kings.

The kings of Israel and Syria had planned to invade Jerusalem and remove Ahaz as king, then install son of Tabeel who was not from Judah to become king.
This will bring an end to davidic descendants monarchy and also God's promise to David that his descendant will always be enthroned in Judah so long as there's a monarchy.

God sent Isaiah to assure Ahaz that the David line of kings shall remain intact and the threat of syria- Israel will not terminate it.
The sign he gave was a confirmation of that Davidic covenant and has nothing to do with Ahaz reign.
That prophecy has both near and ultimate fulfilment seen in one vision.

The ultimate fulfilment was accomplished in Jesus Christ as confirmed by the angelic message to Mary.

Luke 1
31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High (Immanuel). The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

Lol very laughable..

Did you read verse 16?

Isaiah 7:14-16

14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you(king Ahaz) a sign: The young woman is with child and will give birth to a son, and she will call him Immanuel.[d] 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste."


Which boy, bro??

SIRTee15:


Did someone called Jesus of Nazareth exist. That's the issue.
And was he crucified for whatever reason.

No

Nazareth only came into existence in the 4th century...That's even enough evidence that no such person even existed...

Ken4Christ:


But your birthday is with reference to Christ. Without him, you have no reference point for your birthday.

Even the newly BCE and CE still revolves around Christ. Jesus is the dividing line of history. And you say such a man never existed. The man who has been appointed to judge you. How will you feel standing before the very person you are trying to degrade?

Hahahahaha

The brain washing really really worked on you.

22jumpstreet:


No

Nazareth only came into existence in the 4th century...That's even enough evidence that no such person even existed...

There's nothing I hate more than ignorant atheist forming knowledge on bible history.
This is the 2nd blunder u will be making on this thread. Lying up and down.

See your lord and master Bart Erhman response on Nazareth. He obviously calls u LIAR.

https://ehrmanblog.org/did-nazareth-exist/#:~:text=There%20is%20Archaeological%20Evidence%20Nazareth%20Existed&text=There%20are%20numerous%20compelling%20pieces,cut%20kokh%20tombs%20were%20built.

22jumpstreet:


Lol very laughable..

Did you read verse 16?

Isaiah 7:14-16

14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you(king Ahaz) a sign: The young woman is with child and will give birth to a son, and she will call him Immanuel.[d] 15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste."


Which boy, bro??

First U lied that Immanuel is the name of Isaiah's son. Now that you have been bursted...U now looking for the boy in v 16.

Its impossible for a virgin to give birth. Don't come up with maiden angle because in ancient Jewish tradition a maiden (unmarried young lady) is expected to be a virgin. If U are found not to be a virgin on your wedding night- you are stoned to death.
That's why Septuagint wrote is as virgin.


The prophecy is both for near and ultimate fulfilment.

But if U disagree, then tell me who is the immanuel in
the old testament.
Who fits the criteria of Immanuel in the old testament?

Ken4Christ:
Certain statements made in the Quran are designed to ensure Muslims never see the light which is in Jesus alone.

However, a few other statements points to that light - Jesus.

If Jesus didn't die, then no one is saved. Salvation is in the blood he shed.

++++++++

Indeed... and I think - the Lord GOD knows all things - it's one of the many works of the enemy to take down as many people, setting them on a path of destruction (from Adam & Eve to present)... that does not point to the One and only Savior - the Lord GOD YESHUA!

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

"I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior." - Isaiah 43:11

The Lord YESHUA says "Before Abraham Was, I AM" - John 8:48

"Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ." - 1 Corinthians 10:1-4

22jumpstreet:



Hahahahaha

The brain washing really really worked on you.

You are shocked that Jesus is your Lord. You can't do without him. No dating without him. History revolves him.

Ken4Christ:


You are shocked that Jesus is your Lord. You can't do without him. No dating without him. History revolves him.

What concerns me in Delta state with what may or may not have happened in middle east ?

We have 4 days circle...and we understand time as circular rather than linear..

Who cares what pope Gregory decreed.

None of my business bro..