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Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 11:09am On May 04
Personal Responsibility for Sins!

1. Ezekiel 18:20
"The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself."

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
[b]"See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil. If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you today, by loving the Lord your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it. But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess. I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them."[/b]

Matthew 15:18-19
"But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander."

Luke 12:47
"And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating."

cool This last verse from Luke, can anybody help in taking the severe beating? cool
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:40am On May 04
AbuTwins:

1. Ezekiel 18:20
"The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself."

Do you believe what Ezekiel wrote here?
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 9:26am On May 06
MaxInDHouse:


Do you believe what Ezekiel wrote here?

What is written there is what Islam preaches!
Everyone will carry his/her own burden of good or bad!

Jesus will carry his own and you will carry your own!
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:47pm On May 06
AbuTwins:

What is written there is what Islam preaches!
Everyone will carry his/her own burden of good or bad!
Jesus will carry his own and you will carry your own!
That's not what he meant.
God will deal with Israelites according to the way each individual responds to His laws after all they already had God's word available to the nation as a whole.
So during resurrection those Israelites who hid to God's word will be declared RIGHTEOUS but those that ignored are WICKED because they had all what it takes (supernatural signs) to believe the God of Abraham.
But people who had no such evidences can't put faith in what they never saw or had of from their own ancestors. So if such ones live by conscience God will declare them as UNRIGHTEOUS.
God's word said there will be a resurrection of both the RIGHTEOUS and the UNRIGHTEOUS {Act 24:15} but as for the WICKED they will never be remembered! Psalms 9:17

After resurrection each human must accept the things Jesus commanded before they can have everlasting life otherwise they will be destroyed for good! Revelations 20:11-15

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Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 1:51pm On May 06
MaxInDHouse:

That's not what he meant.
God will deal with Israelites according to the way each individual responds to His laws after all they already had God's word available to the nation as a whole.
So during resurrection those Israelites who hid to God's word will be declared RIGHTEOUS but those that ignored are WICKED because they had all what it takes (supernatural signs) to believe the God of Abraham.
But people who had no such evidences can't put faith in what they never saw or had of from their own ancestors. So if such ones live by conscience God will declare them as UNRIGHTEOUS.
God's word said there will be a resurrection of both the RIGHTEOUS and the UNRIGHTEOUS {Act 24:15} but as for the WICKED they will never be remembered! Psalms 9:17

After resurrection each human must accept the things Jesus commanded before they can have everlasting life otherwise they will be destroyed for good! Revelations 20:11-15

Where did Jesus make your last claim while he was alive and walking around? He rather wait till John sees a dream in revelation right?

When the rich ruler met Jesus, Jesus told him to obey the commandments and follow him!
Later you guys changed everything!
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:10pm On May 06
AbuTwins:

Where did Jesus make your last claim while he was alive and walking around? He rather wait till John sees a dream in revelation right?
When the rich ruler met Jesus, Jesus told him to obey the commandments and follow him!
Later you guys changed everything!

Why follow Jesus if something vital is not involved? John 3:16 smiley
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 2:11pm On May 06
MaxInDHouse:


Why follow Jesus if something vital is not involved? John 3:16 smiley

Wasn't he sent only to Israel?

And what sort of father kills his son for others to be saved?
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:19pm On May 06
AbuTwins:

Wasn't he sent only to Israel?
He was sent only to the nation of Israel that's why he never set his foot outside Israel during his ministry.
So why only Israel yet he himself said the whole world must be saved through him? John 3:16
Well it's because only Israelites could grasp his message since they're the ones who have had all the promises of their God regarding the salvation of mankind so they will receive the message from him and take it to the whole world! Matthew 28:18-20
Do you get it now? smiley

AbuTwins:

And what sort of father kills his son for others to be saved?
Jesus is God's Son just like Adam {Luke 3:38} so it's through a perfect son of God that mankind became sinners so likewise it's through the death of another perfect son of God that we can be redeemed! Romans 5:12, 19
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 2:59pm On May 06
MaxInDHouse:

He was sent only to the nation of Israel that's why he never set his foot outside Israel during his ministry.
So why only Israel yet he himself said the whole world must be saved through him? John 3:16
Well it's because only Israelites could grasp his message since they're the ones who have had all the promises of their God regarding the salvation of mankind so they will receive the message from him and take it to the whole world! Matthew 28:18-20
Do you get it now? smiley
He is sent only to Israel. Israel is his world! It was during his time people were divided into Gentiles and Israelites!

Jesus is God's Son just like Adam {Luke 3:38} so it's through a perfect son of God that mankind became sinners so likewise it's through the death of another perfect son of God that we can be redeemed! Romans 5:12, 19

Adam is a man and not an Angel!
And it is not fair to carry over Adam's sin to his son!
What Paul the self appointed disciple gave you in Romans and all his letters are falsehood!
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:47pm On May 06
AbuTwins:
He is sent only to Israel. Israel is his world! It was during his time people were divided into Gentiles and Israelites!
Adam is a man and not an Angel!
And it is not fair to carry over Adam's sin to his son!
What Paul the self appointed disciple gave you in Romans and all his letters are falsehood!

That's why i keep on telling you to stick to your book because it's not the same God they're talking about! smiley
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 4:42pm On May 06
MaxInDHouse:


That's why i keep on telling you to stick to your book because it's not the same God they're talking about! smiley

You are right!
Your Jehovah has Jesus an Angel as Son!

Our own God Allah need no son to help Him in His dominion as He is omniscient and Omnipotent!
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:22pm On May 06
AbuTwins:

You are right!
You Jehovah has Jesus an Angel as Son!
Our own God Allah need no son to help Him in His dominion as He is omniscient and Omnipotent!

No wahala.
WISDOM is justified by her children! Luke 7:34 smiley
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 5:37pm On May 06
MaxInDHouse:


No wahala.
WISDOM is justified by her children! Luke 7:34 smiley

No wahala but how is Luke 7:34 related to anything?
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:49pm On May 06
AbuTwins:

No wahala but how is Luke 7:34 related to anything?
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’

Read verse 35. cheesy
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by SIRTee15: 6:21pm On May 06
AbuTwins:


Where did Jesus make your last claim while he was alive and walking around? He rather wait till John sees a dream in revelation right?

When the rich ruler met Jesus, Jesus told him to obey the commandments and follow him!
Later you guys changed everything!

When the richan left and his disciples asked Jesus how can someone be saved? How did Jesus respond?
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 8:46am On May 07
SIRTee15:


When the richan left and his disciples asked Jesus how can someone be saved? How did Jesus respond?

You should tell us what Jesus said, should we look at Matthew or Mark?
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 8:47am On May 07
MaxInDHouse:


Read verse 35. cheesy

So 34 was wrong it is now 35?

You and wrong Bible quotes sha!
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:05am On May 07
AbuTwins:

So 34 was wrong it is now 35?
You and wrong Bible quotes sha!

Wrong book (Bible) wrong writers (prophets and disciples) wrong quote (verses) wrong application (practices) wrong religion (cult) everything seems wrong to you simply because your parents infused the religion of Arabs in your head yet the wrong book with all it's wrong writers, wrong quotes, wrong applications and wrong religion is producing the fruit expected of the right God to worship which is PEACE among adherents.

Therefore whatever you say about the religion that's producing the peaceful atmosphere in all the geographical locations where it's been practiced is futile because Wisdom has been justified by her children! Luke 7:34-35 wink
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 9:12am On May 07
MaxInDHouse:


That's why i keep on telling you to stick to your book because it's not the same God they're talking about! smiley

It's the same God with extra baggage!
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:21am On May 07
AbuTwins:

It's the same God with extra baggage!

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa that's what those Arabs want you to think! smiley
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 9:28am On May 07
MaxInDHouse:


Wrong book (Bible) wrong writers (prophets and disciples) wrong quote (verses) wrong application (practices) wrong religion (cult) everything seems wrong to you simply because your parents infused the religion of Arabs in your head yet the wrong book with all it's wrong writers, wrong quotes, wrong applications and wrong religion is producing the fruit expected of the right God to worship which is PEACE among adherents.

Therefore whatever you say about the religion that's producing the peaceful atmosphere in all the geographical locations where it's been practiced is futile because Wisdom has been justified by her children! Luke 7:34-35 wink

Do you want to lie you didn't quote Luke 7:34 earlier before changing it to verse 35? grin

Baba don join lie to the mantra!
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 9:28am On May 07
MaxInDHouse:


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa that's what those Arabs want you to think! smiley

Arabs?

Na Arabs translate the Bible for JW.org?
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:25am On May 07
AbuTwins:

Do you want to lie you didn't quote Luke 7:34 earlier before changing it to verse 35? grin
Baba don join lie to the mantra!

Holding on to straws! cheesy

I never quoted the verse rather i cited it.

If you're truly inquisitive about knowledge you will read the verses before and after what is cited but since you're just a gullible Muhammedan you only read the cited verse
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by SIRTee15: 10:41am On May 07
AbuTwins:


You should tell us what Jesus said, should we look at Matthew or Mark?

Mark 10
26 The disciples were astounded. “Then who in the world can be saved?” they asked.

27 Jesus looked at them intently and said, “Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But not with God. Everything is possible with God.”

28 Then Peter began to speak up. “We’ve given up everything to follow you,” he said.

29 “Yes,” Jesus replied, “and I assure you that everyone who has given up (everything) house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or property, for my sake and for the Gospel, 30 will receive now in return a hundred times as many houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and property—along with persecution. And in the world to come that person will have eternal life. 31 But many who are the greatest now will be least important then, and those who seem least important now will be the greatest then.”


To inherit eternal life, you believe in Jesus and his gospel.

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Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 11:59am On May 07
SIRTee15:


Mark 10
26 The disciples were astounded. “Then who in the world can be saved?” they asked.

27 Jesus looked at them intently and said, “Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But not with God. Everything is possible with God.”

28 Then Peter began to speak up. “We’ve given up everything to follow you,” he said.

29 “Yes,” Jesus replied, “and I assure you that everyone who has given up (everything) house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or property, for my sake and for the Gospel, 30 will receive now in return a hundred times as many houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and property—along with persecution. And in the world to come that person will have eternal life. 31 But many who are the greatest now will be least important then, and those who seem least important now will be the greatest then.”


To inherit eternal life, you believe in Jesus and his gospel.

The settings of Jesus still remain the Israelites!
The rich man must be an Israelite.
The Canaanite woman was a Gentile - no preaching!
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by SIRTee15: 2:10pm On May 07
AbuTwins:


The settings of Jesus still remain the Israelites!
The rich man must be an Israelite.
The Canaanite woman was a Gentile - no preaching!
What about the Samaritan woman and her village where Jesus stayed for days preaching
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 10:48am On May 08
SIRTee15:

What about the Samaritan woman and her village where Jesus stayed for days preaching

Did he preached to the woman?
The woman must have finally accepted Jesus as her God and Savior. grin
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by SIRTee15: 3:05pm On May 08
AbuTwins:


Did he preached to the woman?
The woman must have finally accepted Jesus as her God and Savior. grin

I dont get U.
U claim Jesus only came for Israelites. I showed u where she preached the gospel to the Samaritan woman, and U acting sarcasm.

Are U ok?

As per your question. Yes they did.

John 4

39 Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.” 40 So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. 41 And because of his words many more became believers.

42 They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”



Now now according to the gospel, DO YOU NOW ACCEPT JESUS CAME FOR NON ISRAELITES?

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Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by SIRTee15: 3:14pm On May 08
AbuTwins:


Did he preached to the woman?
The woman must have finally accepted Jesus as her God and Savior. grin

Point of correction.
When Jesus was on this earth, he wasn't God. He never said he was God and didn't claim such in any way.

The correct depiction of Jesus Christ on earth is Lord and Son of God.

He was Lord- had authority over everything, including exercises over the rules and regulations. He was bound by them because he's the author of the Law.

Son of God means he has the full divinity of the Father in him i.e The divinity that makes Father God is the exact divinity that makes him Son of God.

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Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 3:24pm On May 08
SIRTee15:


I dont get U.
U claim Jesus only came for Israelites. I showed u where she preached the gospel to the Samaritan woman, and U acting sarcasm.

Are U ok?

As per your question. Yes they did.

John 4

39 Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.” 40 So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. 41 And because of his words many more became believers.

42 They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”



Now now according to the gospel, DO YOU NOW ACCEPT JESUS CAME FOR NON ISRAELITES?

Of course i know the drills well! If I'm not mistaken the Catholics call the woman Photini of Samaria and they venerate her as a Martyr!
That's not even the issue!
The issue is the your fact that you claim they became believers!
Did they believed that Jesus will die for their sins?

I believe in Jesus too as the Samaria woman in John 4:19 where she said I can see you are a Prophet!
And when the Samarians mentions Jesus being the savior of the world - the world here means Israel (Matthew 15:24)!

Jesus was not sent to Africa not America!
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by AbuTwins: 3:29pm On May 08
SIRTee15:


Point of correction.
When Jesus was on this earth, he wasn't God. He never said he was God and didn't claim such in any way.
God doesn't change!
Even Jesus said he is the same yesterday, today and forever! You are saying he was God then became man then became God again! This is false!

The correct depiction of Jesus Christ on earth is Lord and Son of God.
Nicene theory!

He was Lord- had authority over everything, including exercises over the rules and regulations. He was bound by them because he's the author of the Law.
He had no authority till God gave him authority! He was dependent on God!

Son of God means he has the full divinity of the Father in him i.e The divinity that makes Father God is the exact divinity that makes him Son of God.
Where is this definition in the Bible VERBATIM as you stated it here!
Re: Personal Responsibility For Sins In The Bible by SIRTee15: 7:20pm On May 13
AbuTwins:
God doesn't change!
Even Jesus said he is the same yesterday, today and forever! You are saying he was God then became man then became God again! This is false!

When God became man in old testament, did he change.
When God appeared to Abraham Jacob and Moses in the old testament, did he change?
If he didn't why then do U think he will change in the new testament when he became Man.

If I say I become angry, does that mean I have changed to anger.

John 1
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.


That God became man doesnt mean he changed to man. Learn the difference between change and become.

AbuTwins:

Nicene theory!
Are U ok? Jesus as the son of God is clearly spelt out in the gospel.

Matt 16.15
Jesus said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”


Once Muslims are stuck, they start shouting nicene theory, Nicene theory.


AbuTwins:

He had no authority till God gave him authority! He was dependent on God!
That was Jesus on earth. Jesus in the new testament was given authority because he wasn't physically God. That's why I said Jesus in earth wasn't God physically. The human soul of Jesus was given authority.
The Jesus on earth is the son of God NOT God the son. The Jesus on earth was never part of the trinity.
The Jesus we associate with the trinity is God the son.

AbuTwins:

Where is this definition in the Bible VERBATIM as you stated it here!


John 1
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[b] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Colossians 2

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,


Even the Jews understood the concept of son of God as someone who posses the same divinity as the Father.
John 4

13 The man who was healed had no idea who it was, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there.

14 Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” 15 The man went away and told the Jewish leaders that it was Jesus who had made him well.
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

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