Muslim:- What do you understand by "suffi"

This is astonishing! Where are Muhammad's footsoldiers and Islam's errand boys on Nairaland? Olabowale, babs787, oyb, combatant, Lakpene, auwal87, etc . . . what's happening that you have avoided this thread like a plague?

Can you make meaningful contributions here? Or, is your defeaning silence here an indication of an unspoken frisson?

@Pilgrim.1: Thanks loud mouth. I only hear the noise of the Alberta clippers. Nothing is behind it. Alhamdulillah.
I am an errand boy of Muhammad. You did not call me an errand girl. That belongs to the men in Christianity,
who shave religiously. Trying to be like women, on a daily basis. Unfortunately, the girls in the Christendom can
wait to try to be like men, either. I wonder who are the gender benders, the straight out gays of the christians?

Back to the topic: I will give you a quick answer here and will not attend to you yingyang: Sufism, as a group,
regardless of the many sects they may divide themselves; Tijanis, Nashdbundi, etc are part of Islam. They are
some of the 73 sects that are expected to make up the Muslim Ummah. We even have here in America, the nation
of Islam and the 10%ers. They are neither Sufi nor shia or Sunni.

But the real question is this, the 72 sects of Christianity, and 71 sects of Judaism and the 72 sects from the 73 of the Muslims,
all will go to hell fire. It is a HATMAN DECREE! The Christians from your mouth do not have to deal with the Wariduha
aleyha. Your ticket is without this event. Its straight to it, like the straight to jail of Monopoly board game!

Same question again!

From www.islam-qa.com:

Question:
Is the “Da’wah and Tableegh” group one of the misguided groups? And what about Sufism?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.  

It is important for us to understand, firstly, that the words “Tasawwuf” and “Sufism” are modern terms which refer to something that is not automatically approved of in sharee’ah as the words eemaan (faith), Islam and ihsaan are. Neither is it automatically condemned like the words kufr, fusooq (immorality) and ‘asyaan (disobedience, sin).  

In such cases, we need to find out more about what is meant by such words before we can pass comment. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The words al-faqr and al-tasawwuf (i.e., Sufism) may include some things that are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, and these are things that are enjoined even if they are called faqr or tasawwuf, because the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that they are mustahabb and that is not altered if they called by other names. That also includes actions of the heart such as repentance and patience. And it may include things that are hated by Allaah and His Messenger, such as some kinds of belief in incarnation and pantheism, or monasticism that has been innovated in Islam, or things that go against sharee’ah and have been innovated, and so on. These things are forbidden no matter what names they are given… And it may include limiting oneself to a certain style of clothing or certain customs, ways of speaking and behaving, in such a way that anyone who goes beyond it is regarded as an outsider, although this is not something that has been stipulated in the Qur’aan or Sunnah; rather it may be something that is permissible or it may be something that is makrooh, and this is a bid’ah that is forbidden. This is not the way of the friends of Allaah (awliya’ Allaah); such things are innovations and misguidance that exists among those who claim to follow the Sufi path. Similarly, among those who claim to be servants of knowledge there are innovations that involve beliefs and words that go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah, using phrases and terminology that have no basis in sharee’ah. Many such things happen among those people.

The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and disobey Allaah and His Messenger. He accepts from every group that which was taught by the Messenger… when a person seeks the truth and justice, based on knowledge, he is one of the successful friends of Allaah and His victorious party…

Al-Fataawa, 11/280-290.

[b]But what Shaykh al-Islam said about the view of Sufis depending on their situation is almost too theoretical for our times, when the objectionable matters that he referred to have become part of the path of those who call themselves Sufis nowadays, in addition to the different occasions they celebrate such as the Mawlid, and their exaggeration about their living shaykhs, and their attachment to shrines and graves, where they pray and circumambulate the graves and make vows to them, and other well-known practices of theirs. Because of these matters, the correct approach now is to warn against them with no reservations. This is what was agreed upon by the Standing Committee in their answer to a question about the ruling on the Sufi tareeqahs that exist nowadays. They said:

Usually those that are called Sufis nowadays follow bid’ahs (innovations) that constitute shirk, as well as other kinds of bid’ah, such as when some of them say “Madad ya sayyid (Help, O Master)”, and call upon the qutubs (“holy men”), and recite dhikr in unison using names by Allaah has not called Himself, like saying “Huw, Huw (He, He)” and “Ah, Ah (a contraction of the word ‘Allaah’)”. Whoever reads their books will be aware of many of their innovations that constitute shirk, and other evils.[/b]

With regard to the Jamaa’at al-Tableegh, this is one of the groups that is active in the field of da’wah, calling people to Allaah. They do a great deal of good and make commendable efforts. How many sinners have repented at their hands, and how many have now become devoted to worship of Allaah. But this group is not free of some innovations in knowledge and action, to which the scholars have drawn attention. But whatever the case they cannot be described as being one of the misguided groups. We have quoted above the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah:  The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah. For more information on this group, see the answer to questions no. 8674 and 39349.

Islam Q&A

olabowale:

@Pilgrim.1: Thanks loud mouth. I only hear the noise of the Alberta clippers. Nothing is behind it. Alhamdulillah.
I am an errand boy of Muhammad. You did not call me an errand girl. That belongs to the men in Christianity,
who shave religiously. Trying to be like women, on a daily basis. Unfortunately, the girls in the Christendom can
wait to try to be like men, either. I wonder who are the gender benders, the straight out gays of the christians?

Back to the topic: I will give you a quick answer here and will not attend to you yingyang: Sufism, as a group,
regardless of the many sects they may divide themselves; Tijanis, Nashdbundi, etc are part of Islam. They are
some of the 73 sects that are expected to make up the Muslim Ummah. We even have here in America, the nation
of Islam and the 10%ers. They are neither Sufi nor shia or Sunni.

But the real question is this, the 72 sects of Christianity, and 71 sects of Judaism and the 72 sects from the 73 of the Muslims,
all will go to hell fire. It is a HATMAN DECREE! The Christians from your mouth do not have to deal with the Wariduha
aleyha. Your ticket is without this event. Its straight to it, like the straight to jail of Monopoly board game!

As Olabowale said, there will be 73 different sects all calling themselves muslim but ONLY ONE group is following true islam and that is the Ahl-us-Sunnah, only the group which followed exactly what the Prophet (SAW) brought will enter paradise.

And yeah, pilgrim1, there's nothing wrong with being Muhammad's (SAW) errand boy/girl, in fact we're proud to be so. That isn't an insult, rather, its a compliment.

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Pilgrim.1: Thanks loud mouth. I only hear the noise of the Alberta clippers. Nothing is behind it. Alhamdulillah.

No worries. At least your self-attestations that you only hear the noise you make should suit me just fine.

olabowale:

I am an errand boy of Muhammad. You did not call me an errand girl. That belongs to the men in Christianity, who shave religiously.

Already taking a bad hit, are you? Simply say that you felt cheapened as a girl instead of this long undue redress to apologise for the obvious. Meanwhile, liars are always seeking new statements about their bloviates - which you have assumed that Christian men "shave religiously" - whereas, whatever happened to the saga of long bia-bia that sent you into self-exile sometime ago?

olabowale:

Unfortunately, the girls in the Christendom can wait to try to be like men, either. I wonder who are the gender benders, the straight out gays of the christians?

You didn't need to cry so loudly. I didn't mention anything about gays here - and it seems you're already spanked on that issue to discover indeed that one of your Muslim leaders was tongue-sucking a boy in pictures!

Cheer up - there are many more pictures to serve when you guys begin your rascal behaviour and stupid pretences.

olabowale:

Back to the topic: I will give you a quick answer here and will not attend to you yingyang:

All you needed to do was answer the topic from the onset, rather than cry like a baby!

olabowale:

Sufism, as a group, regardless of the many sects they may divide themselves; Tijanis, Nashdbundi, etc are part of Islam. They are some of the 73 sects that are expected to make up the Muslim Ummah. We even have here in America, the nation
of Islam and the 10%ers. They are neither Sufi nor shia or Sunni.

Okay, on the one hand, you are asserting that Sufis as a group as part of Islam; while on the other, our dear stranger[/b]26 adopted a very strange view of supposing that only Sunnis are synonymous with Islam! Good to note. Make una dey confuse una sef.

olabowale:

But the real question is this, the 72 sects of Christianity, and 71 sects of Judaism and the 72 sects from the 73 of the Muslims, [b]all will go to hell fire. It is a HATMAN DECREE!

Is that really the issue here? Hahahaha!!

Olabowale, you're a child! On the one hand you argued that Muslims will walk over a bridge that no one can find in the Qur'an - and I initially let you disgrace yourself for a while by ferreting quotes from tafsirs which deceive you as much as you wanted.

Now you're claiming ALL will go to Hell fire!

I am so sorry for you! Saying two opposite things at the same time is what Muslims have perfected!! Walking over a bridge that 'Allah' nowhere mentioned, has quickly translated into GOING TO Hell, abi? I'll let you some more time and then come back to help you untie your shoelace, you hear?

olabowale:

The Christians from your mouth do not have to deal with the Wariduha
aleyha. Your ticket is without this event.

Quite right - Christians are not going to any Hell.

olabowale:

Its straight to it, like the straight to jail of Monopoly board game!

Your idioms are interesting - more like the boohoos of Arabian chess-players with sand in their eyes!

Anyhow, Christians are not going to Hell - if Muhammad fabricated that tale and conscripted ALL Muslims to Hell fire, I'm sorry to miss you guys. I am still praying that you do not have to go to Hell fire, . seriously.

But, that is not the issue here about Sufism. . . so don't play cheap and try to defelct the topic, okay?

@stranger26,

stranger26:

As Olabowale said, there will be 73 different sects all calling themselves muslim but ONLY ONE group is following true islam and that is the Ahl-us-Sunnah, only the group which followed exactly what the Prophet (SAW) brought will enter paradise.

Why are you trying so hard to bend backwards and break your neck over a LIE?!?   Olabowale never said what you're misquoting him for. Let's state it out clearly:

(1) Olabowale:

olabowale:

Sufism, as a group, regardless of the many sects they may divide themselves; Tijanis, Nashdbundi, etc are part of Islam. They are some of the 73 sects that are expected to make up the Muslim Ummah. We even have here in America, the nation of Islam and the 10%ers. They are neither Sufi nor shia or Sunni.

(2)

stranger26:

As Olabowale said, there will be 73 different sects all calling themselves muslim but ONLY ONE group is following true islam and that is the Ahl-us-Sunnah

My dear stranger26, just incase I missed it. . . could you show me that what you are saying is the same thing olabowale was stating? HOW? WHERE? Or are you trying so desperately to plaster your crevices?

Not only that, but notice again another inconsistency between you both:

(a) olabowale:

olabowale:

But the real question is this, the 72 sects of Christianity, and 71 sects of Judaism and the 72 sects from the 73 of the Muslims,  all will go to hell fire. It is a HATMAN DECREE!

(b)

stranger26:

As Olabowale said, there will be 73 different sects all calling themselves muslim but ONLY ONE group is following true islam and that is the Ahl-us-Sunnah, only the group which followed exactly what the Prophet (SAW) brought will enter paradise.

Sorry, olabowale asserted that ALL will go to Hell fire - he never said any rubbish that you're claiming here about ONLY one group entering paradise!   Do you care to drop your al-taqiyya and read simple statements?

stranger26:

And yeah, pilgrim1, there's nothing wrong with being Muhammad's (SAW) errand boy/girl, in fact we're proud to be so. That isn't an insult, rather, its a compliment.

I never meant to insult anybody - even if everything to you guys is an "insult". Naming a teddy bear by the name of a boy whose name happened to be Mohammad was an "insult" - but nobody ever constituted  it an "insult" for the boy to have been so named!

Anyhow, smart up - and don't take it as an insult that I asked you to simply tell the truth, okay?

Cheers.

chei !!was that grown man french kissing a little lad in public or was the boy in need of mouth to mouth rescucitation?
Allah says besides the 72 virgins,they'll have young boys like pearls "serving them"
Looks like the service already began.

Some women are eager to be french Kissed. But we are restricted from illegal
sexual acts. More importantly, this is the month of greater 'good deeds.'

olabowale:

Some women are eager to be french Kissed. But we are restricted from illegal
sexual acts More importantly, this is the month of greater 'good deeds.'

Why would there be ILLEGAL Sexual ACTS when What The Christians consider ILLEGAL is COVERED in Islam under law as being OK?? LMAO!!!

How does one argue ILLEGAL sexual acts when one's own belief covers all those acts which are considered illegal under the MORALLY OK umbrella??

@Pilgrim.1: My dear sister Stranger 26 gave you a complete answer. I only gave you what I believe you
deserved. She, Stranger 26 was very generous. If you are honest, she and me did not disagree in any
way. We both agree that there are 73 sects/groups, in Islam, will not not be more and will not be less.
Only one will go to Paradise without tasting HELLFIRE at anytime! The other 72 will have to taste it based
on the degree of deviance.

However, all 72 Christian sects, and all 71 Jewish sect along the primetime/ main stream idol worshippers,
plus the Atheists, will go to Hellfire, directly. All will be herded like Cattle into Jahannam. It is a Hatman decree.

I thought you might like the surety of the Forgone conclusion of Hatman decree!

What Sufi is from the Wikipedia

Sufism is a mystic tradition within Islam that encompasses a diverse range of beliefs and practices dedicated to Divine love and the cultivation of the elements of the Divine within the individual human being. Practitioners of this tradition are known as "Sufis" generally, though some senior members of the tradition reserve this term for those who have attained the goals of the tradition.

Although some people refer to this tradition as Sufism, others refer to it as the Sufi Way. They draw this distinction because they feel that the term "Sufism" refers to a philosophy or a school of thought like capitalism or socialism, and they feel that the Sufi Way describes a practical path to follow.

Sufism has been defined as a type of knowledge by the great Sufi masters. Shaykh Ahmad Zarruq, a 15th century Sufi who wrote The Principles of Sufism, defined Sufism as "a science whose objective is the reparation of the heart and turning it away from all else but God." Ibn 'Ajiba, one of the best known Sufi masters, defined Sufism as "a science through which one can know how to travel into the presence of the Divine, purify one’s inward from filth, and beautify it with a variety of praiseworthy traits."

The Tariqas, or Sufi orders, may be associated with Sunni Islam or Shia Islam. It has been suggested that Sufi thought emerged from the Middle East in the eighth century, but adherents are now found around the world.

A number of Sufism adherents, mostly in the West, believe or assert that Sufism is a projection of "the perennial philosophy" of man's true nature to the Divine and as such forms a subterranean current in many religions and mystical traditions and practices. This viewpoint is denied, often with great energy, by a substantial number of other Sufis.

Sufis are either Sunni or Shia (though mostly part of the Sunni).

So Sufis themselves does not constitute a particular Sect in Islam, they are either Sunni or Shia.

Man kissing a young Boy

In the Arab traditions, it is okay for a man to kiss a boy or a girl, especially if that man is a honorable person, like kings, presidents, and so on, So, have a better understanding that it is not on all Muslims that they use to Kiss like that, it is Arabic culture like that, please understand.

Thanks all,

so Islam get the juju part?
violence plus juju = vioju

The truth don dey commot small small

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Pilgrim.1: My dear sister Stranger 26 gave you a complete answer. I only gave you what I believe you
deserved. She, Stranger 26 was very generous. If you are honest, she and me did not disagree in any
way. We both agree that there are 73 sects/groups, in Islam, will not not be more and will not be less.
Only one will go to Paradise without tasting HELLFIRE at anytime! The other 72 will have to taste it based on the degree of deviance.

On top of deceit, you're here offering excuses for the fact that you had demonstrated how confused you are! Initially you denied my explication of Sura 19:71 - then I let you fool yourself to the limit, and then you openly declared that ALL will go to Hell; but now you're exempting only one group from ALL?

I'm sorry, but lying and trying to cover up for your deceit is a henious exercise.

olabowale:

However, all 72 Christian sects, and all 71 Jewish sect along the primetime/ main stream idol worshippers, plus the Atheists, will go to Hellfire, directly. All will be herded like Cattle into Jahannam. It is a Hatman decree.

I thought you might like the surety of the Forgone conclusion of Hatman decree!

Here you are still confusing yourself. . . and with me, it's a very small issue that I should give you more time to fool yourself yet again - and it will happen!

It's only a matter of time; but then we shall see.

@auwal87,

auwal87:

What Sufi is from the Wikipedia

I knew you guys would have nothing of yours to contribute - and from start to finish, you're all scurrying to the net to plagiarize material that you can repost! You don't need to panic so badly.

auwal87:

Sufis are either Sunni or Shia (though mostly part of the Sunni).

Okay, here we can see that Muslims do not even know what to think!

First, stranger26 quickly denounced the Sufis, as she believes that only one group (her own denomination) will enter paradise; whereas, she also openly denounced Sufis by saying that they do not regard them as Muslims.

Next comes olabowale who opined that there are neither Sunnis, Shias or Sufis - his verdict? ALL will go to Hell!

Next! Dear auwal87 reposted Wikipedia and we're informed that this much denounced group has infiltrated the ranks of both Sunni and Shia!! Abeg, I no fit laugh!!


More confusion, please! By the time I start with you guys, nothing go remain after the bleaching!

auwal87:

So Sufis themselves does not constitute a particular Sect in Islam, they are either Sunni or Shia.

Okay, again let's consider them:

(a) The Sunnis condemn the Sufis - sadly, the Sufis do not exist as a Sect, and all the vexations of the Sunnis amounts to noise-making, abi?

(b) The Sufis are not a a sect - and yet, the Sunnis consider them as NOT Muslim!

So, it does not matter that there are Sunnis and Shias who are SUFI - the whole bunch is a mixed dough!

auwal87:

Man kissing a young Boy

In the Arab traditions, it is okay for a man to kiss a boy or a girl, especially if that man is a honorable person, like kings, presidents, and so on, So, have a better understanding that it is not on all Muslims that they use to Kiss like that, it is Arabic culture like that, please understand.

Stop sobbing! That was a mild picture that is popular on the net! When I get confirmation from combatant in the relevant thread to deny the obvious perversion among Muslims practising homosexuality, you go see naked Imams serving one another - with facts, dates, figures and evidence of sponsorship!!

What is there to "understand"? Sharia no dey touch your Muslim leaders for the same things that young Iranian boys were hanged? You guys have been hiding behind your fingers and pretending that these issues do not exist among Muslims! Try me!

Meanwhile, this idea that "it is okay for a man to kiss a boy". . . take another look, and then tell me why that man was in such a compromisive poise. That man should be flogged - unless you want to tell me that an especially important figure in Islam should kiss you as a man! Rubbish!

nwando:

so Islam get the juju part?
violence plus juju = vioju

Hahahaha!!

nwando:

The truth don dey commot small small

I don tell you before kwa. . . that is why I brought them here! I go bleach 'dorti' commot for them body finish!