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| Re: The Function Of The Law. by ichuka(op): 10:59am On Aug 01, 2013 |
Alwaystrue: Thanks @ichuka.1John1:8 says "if WE(Christains) say we have no sin(since we re still in the fresh)we decieve ourselves,and the TRUTH IS NOT IN US" will explain later,got to go now thanks |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by Nobody: 11:00am On Aug 01, 2013 |
MostHigh: The EXEGESIS dey give many a man constipation ![]() |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by Alwaystrue(f): 11:11am On Aug 01, 2013 |
i.chuka:Exactly, and that is why we are told to confess our sins to Him and He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. And the way we know we sin is by the conviction of the Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit works with the word of God in us confirmed by the bible. So it shows we need the Saviour to help us meaning the need for Jesus is continuous. We should ensure we allow the spirit win over the flesh and yield our members to righteousness rather than become complacent and allow the flesh rule us while claiming we are walking right. Take you time to explain. Thanks. |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by shdemidemi(m): 11:20am On Aug 01, 2013*. Modified: 5:38pm On Aug 01, 2013 |
Alwaystrue: Where I have issues is where some claim even if we sin as Christians, it does not matter, there is no need for repentance or asking for forgiveness. And that is why we now have people who sin willfully and say there is no repercurssion to such sins. Well Hebrews has a message for those who believe once saved, always saved below. Salvation is continuous as long as we remain with Jesus else:I believe you need to see the big picture of this book of Hebrews. This letter is written primarily, not exclusively, to Jewish people who were having a hard time making the break with Judaism (with the Temple worship and the sacrifices), and stepping away from it into this Age of Grace by faith in Paul’s Gospel, plus nothing, for salvation. We see it in cult people or we see people that are just so totally indoctrinated in a legalistic religion, it is so hard to just break away and say, "You mean, I don’t have to do anything but BELIEVE?" That’s exactly right! And of course a lot of people just can’t accept that. But, if Christ finished the work of the cross, and because it was finished He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on High, then we have to take His word for it. Now that doesn’t mean that we just simply say, "Well, I believe" and then continue right on with our same old lifestyle. No, we have to realize that when we become a believer of that finished work, or what we call Paul’s Gospel, that mandates a change in our lifestyle. We’re going to live lives, hopefully, pleasing in His sight. And we’re going to seek His will in every aspect of life. And that’s all a follow-up to our believing. having said that, you don’t find the plan of salvation as we present it, in the book of Hebrews. In other words, if you’re leading someone to the Lord, you don’t go to the book of Hebrews to show them how to be saved, it’s just not in there. But, like the Old Testament, all of these things are for our learning. Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins," Now in order to understand this you’ve got to get the big picture. Who are the Hebrews? Jews! What is their belief system? Judaism. And what was Judaism based on? The Temple worship and the sacrifices and the feast days and all the various demands – for a particular sin, you would bring this particular sacrifice. Now this whole book of Hebrews as was written first and foremost to those Hebrew believers. And they were having such a hard time breaking from their old religious system of Judaism with Temple worship and the sacrifices. Now then, the key to this whole verse is the last part of the verse; that if you’re going to willfully turn away from Paul’s revelations of the grace of God and go back into Judaism, what would they be practicing? Sacrifices! They’d be going back to their animal sacrifices, but would it do them any good? No. And that’s what this verse is screaming at them. If you’re going to turn around and walk away from this that has been revealed to you by the grace of God and you’re going to go back into Judaism with all of its Temple worship and sacrifices, then hey, you’re out of it. God is no longer dealing with people on the basis of the animal sacrifices because He was the complete, perfect sacrifice. Going back to Temple worship and going back to the animal sacrifices were, as it says in chapter 6 ‘crucifying the Lord afresh.’ How? By telling Him that His sacrifice counted for nothing! That animal’s blood was better than His. After they’d received the knowledge of the truth and there remains no more sacrifice they should not go back to the law of sin. But if you’re going to go back into Judaism there is: Hebrews 10:27 "But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversary." Judgment because they had spurned God’s grace. What’s it speaking of? The Great White Throne Judgment when lost Jews are going to be condemned to the Lake of Fire just as well as lost humanity in general. If they’re going to turn away from God’s offer of grace and salvation by faith in that grace alone; if they’re going to go back to animal sacrifices, then they’ve got nothing facing them but the fiery indignation of eternal doom. The fact remains that the church age believer cannot be condemned but the Hebrew man that does not fully accept the gospel of Christ by going back into sacrifices and the law will keep breaking the law hence he falls into sin because he can't keep the mosaic law completely. |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by MostHigh: 11:39am On Aug 01, 2013 |
shdemidemi: I believe you need to see the big picture of this book of Hebrews. This letter is written primarily, not exclusively, to Jewish people who were having a hard time making the break with Judaism (with the Temple worship and the sacrifices), and stepping away from it into this Age of Grace by faith in Paul’s Gospel, plus nothing, for salvation. @ Mosthigh Liar liar this ones for the children. ![]() Act 21:23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; Act 21:24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave [their] heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee spoken by goshen and his crew , are nothing; but [that] thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.We see it in cult people or we see people that are just so totally indoctrinated in a legalistic religion, it is so hard to just break away and say, "You mean, I don’t have to do anything but BELIEVE?" That’s exactly right! And of course a lot of people just can’t accept that. But, if Christ finished the work of the cross, and because it was finished He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on High, then we have to take His word for it. @ Mosthigh And just like Ananias you condemn paul as a cultist not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God Act 24:5 For we have found this man [a] pestilent [fellow], and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Now that doesn’t mean that we just simply say, "Well, I believe" and then continue right on with our same old lifestyle. No, we have to realize that when we become a believer of that finished work, or what we call Paul’s Gospel, that mandates a change in our lifestyle. We’re going to live lives, hopefully, pleasing in His sight. And we’re going to seek His will in every aspect of life. And that’s all a follow-up to our believing. @ Mosthigh Another exegiesis for constipation you have not said anything here just blabberinghaving said that, you don’t find the plan of salvation as we present it, in the book of Hebrews. In other words, if you’re leading someone to the Lord, you don’t go to the book of Hebrews to show them how to be saved, it’s just not in here. But, like the Old Testament, all of these things are for our learning. @ Mosthigh Old testament? Whats old about it? Children of the little horn ![]() Dan 7:25 And he [the little horn] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. ![]() Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins," Now in order to understand this you’ve got to get the big picture. Who are the Hebrews? Jews! What is their belief system? Judaism. And what was Judaism based on? The Temple worship and the sacrifices and the feast days and all the various demands – for a particular sin, you would bring this particular sacrifice. Now this whole book of Hebrews as was written first and foremost to those Hebrew believers. And they were having such a hard time breaking from their old religious system of Judaism with Temple worship and the sacrifices. @ Mosthigh You talk so much rubbish ![]() True. You are wrong, judaism is based on bodily worship The master teaches that the body is the temple, but we know paul is your master hence the confusion you have. ![]() Moses presented isreal of whom you have confessed you have no part in them with a national priesthood and they refused. Thats why another priesthood was forced upon them. (temple worship) ![]() Now then, the key to this whole verse is the last part of the verse; that if you’re going to willfully turn away from Paul’s revelations of the grace of God and[b] go back into Judaism[/b], what would they be practicing? Sacrifices! They’d be going back to their animal sacrifices, but would it do them any good? No. And that’s what this verse is screaming at them. If you’re going to turn around and walk away from this that has been revealed to you by the grace of God and you’re going to go back into Judaism with all of its Temple worship and sacrifices, then hey, you’re out of it. God is no longer dealing with people on the basis of the animal sacrifices because He was the complete, perfect sacrifice. @ Mosthigh The body is the temple just as yashua teaches but you dont know yashuaHave ye not heard the message to prepare yourself an acceptable sacrifice obviously cause you dont know yashualOOK AT THIS GENTILE TALKING ABOUT ANIMAL SACRIFICE ![]() Always reading torah upside down Yashua practiced judaism Paul practiced judaism You my friend choose to practice lawlessness. Child of the little horn. Going back to Temple worship and going back to the animal sacrifices were, as it says in chapter 6 ‘crucifying the Lord afresh.’ How? By telling Him that His sacrifice counted for nothing! That animal’s blood was better than His. @ Mosthigh New priesthood new sacrifice. You are just displaying your ignorance the more ![]() After they’d received the knowledge of the truth and there remains no more sacrifice (animal sacrifices won’t help you). But if you’re going to go back into Judaism there is: Hebrews 10:27 "But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversary." Judgment because they had spurned God’s grace. What’s it speaking of? The Great White Throne Judgment when lost Jews are going to be condemned to the Lake of Fire just as well as lost humanity in general. If they’re going to turn away from God’s offer of grace and salvation by faith in that grace alone; if they’re going to go back to animal sacrifices, then they’ve got nothing facing them but the fiery indignation of eternal doom. when theses people say we’ll not have anything to do with this Jesus of Nazareth. they get this- Hebrews 10:27-28 "But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation (in other words, the Lake of Fire that is facing the lost.) which shall devour the adversaries. 28. He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:" To have a deeper understanding of these verses, read your Romans 6. @ Mosthigh Confused.com ![]() |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by ichuka(op): 8:44pm On Aug 25, 2018 |
Alwaystrue: Alwaystrue: Alwaystrue:As long as we are still in these humanly foam it's almost impossible not to sin. Hence the bible said if we do sin,that we have an advocate already to deal with the sin. 1john2:1...New American Standard Bible My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by ichuka(op): 7:49am On Dec 13, 2020 |
bump |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by ichuka(op): 10:56pm On Apr 30, 2021 |
amen |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by ichuka(op): 6:42am On Jul 09, 2023 |
Praise Jesus |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by ichuka(op): 6:36pm On Jul 15, 2023 |
Missed those days when Nairaland Religion sec. Was very uplifting. 3 |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by orisa37: 9:41am On Jul 16, 2023 |
SJS. TO ESTABLISH SIN JUDGEMENT AND SETTLEMENT. |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by ichuka(op): 10:17am On Dec 10, 2023 |
orisa37: ![]() |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by ichuka(op): 12:10pm On Apr 21, 2024 |
Amen |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by ichuka(op): 6:14pm On Sep 14, 2024 |
Bless God |
| Re: The Function Of The Law. by ichuka(op): 6:37am On Sep 29, 2024 |
Thank you Jesus |
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