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Hi Everyone.
There have been unending talk about God maintaining some fire somewhere called hell where he intends to dump all those people who won't change from their ungodly ways.
This is one of the biggest lies sold to us by some people whose intention was to make people they see as pagan listen to and accept Jesus Christ easily.
God is a God of love and the only thing he made clear was that such person(s)will suffer eternal damnation or that they will perish!
He made it very clear that after the judgement there will be a second death for those that rejected his son and therefore his word.
Do check your bible for details.

The truth is there is no way you will get back to us when you confirm the truth of it reality by the time you get there!

Here we go again

Hello Everyone.
Read Ecclesiastic 9:5, the living are conscious that they will die;but as for the dead they are conscious of nothing at all, all that your hand finds to do,do with your very power,for there is no work,nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in the grave.the place to which we are going.

@ James 1

I concur, Rock on Bros, you are  right on the mark ! The Hebrew word Sheol means the grave, this is what these Greco -Roman translators changed to become Hell(from greek mythology)

When you have a chance look up the book Dante's Inferno.  Cheers! 

Salamah
Yisraylite 

james1:
Hello Everyone.
Read Ecclesiastic 9:5, the living are conscious that they will die;but as for the dead they are conscious of nothing at all, all that your hand finds to do,do with your very power,for there is no work,nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in the grave.the place to which we are going.

Hey doesn't sound that bad afterall.

@post
if hell is a bundle of lies what about heaven? Is that a bundle of lies too?

what and where is hell?

mazaje:
what and where is hell?

i don't know,google it,dats wat google is meant for

Hell is real so my brother play wit ur God ur creator, always ask him for wisdom to understand his words

@gyara2

gyara2:
Hell is real so my brother play wit your God your creator, always ask him for wisdom to understand his words

Bros have you ever been there or seen hell? The only two people I know of who've been to hell in their mind were Dante and Virgil from the book Dante's inferno


Hades and Hell

Hades
 
In Greek mythology Hades is the King of the Dead.  He is a son of the titans Cronus and Rhea, and brother to Zeus, Poseidon, Demeter, Hera and Hestia   After Zeus had overthrown Cronus, the three brothers divided the world between them.  Zeus ruled the heavens; Poseidon ruled the sea and Hades was left to rule the underworld.  There, with his queen Persephone, who he abducted from the world above, he ruled the kingdom of the dead.


Hades abducts Persephone
 

Although Hades was a grim and pitiless god, unappeased by prayer or sacrifice, he was not an evil god; mostly he was concerned with increasing the number of his subjects, which he ruled justly.  Those whose calling increased the number of his dead subjects were seen as welcome guests, the Erinnyes (the Furies) for example were particularly welcome.  Once in his realm, he was disinclined to allow any of his subjects leave, a condition that even applied to his wife Persephone, who he allowed to visit with her mother Demeter during the Spring and Summer, provided she return to him in the Winter.  One exception was the legend of Orpheus and Eurydice.

 

Hades may have been a remorseless god with a terrible temper, but he was not capricious.  Indeed as Pluto (his Roman aspect) he was also known as the god of wealth and riches, because as crops were grown and precious metals mined from the earth, people believed them to have come from his kingdom below the ground.  He also had a helmet that made the wearer invisible, given to him by the Cyclopes in appreciation of his help and prowess in battle, this he would lend to other gods and mortals when needed (as in the legend of Perseus).

 

Of all the Olympian gods, Hades is the one least liked, and except for Zeus, most other gods lived in fear and had an aversion of him.  He was a frightening opponent in battle and had proved his worth during the ten-year war of Titanomachy, the battle of the Olympians versus the Titans in which Zeus had overthrown his father Cronus.  His weapon of choice was a two-pronged fork, which he used to shatter anything in his way or not to his liking (much as Poseidon did with his trident).  Hades rode into battle on a dark chariot drawn by four huge coal-black horses, an impressive sight striking fear into the hearts of his enemies.  Although he was an Olympian, Hades spent most of the time in his own dark realm.

 
Hades rides into battle
 

In the real world, people avoided speaking his name lest they attracted his unwanted attention.  In rituals they sacrificed black sheep, letting the blood of the sacrifice drip and seep into the earth, at the same time while praying to him, they would bang their hands on the ground so he would hear their devotions.  Sacred to him was the narcissus plant (named after Narcissus, who in Greek mythology was a beautiful young man who had rejected the love of the nymph Echo, and was condemned to fall in love with his own reflection in a pool.  So intense was his passion for himself he pined away, and in the place where he died a flower sprang up that was named after him), the species of which genus includes:  daffodils, jonquils and narcissuses.  The cypress is also sacred to him; branches of cypress were used as a symbol of mourning.

 

Hell
 

The underworld is often referred to as Hell, or ‘Hades’ in reference to his title as King of the dead.  Hell was his place of residence, a place divided into two regions:  Erebus, where the dead pass on to as soon as they die, and Tartarus a deeper region, the infernal abyss, a place of punishment for the wicked after death and where the Titans had been imprisoned.  Hell the underworld of Hades was a dark, dim, subterranean place, inhabited by vague forms, shadows and numerous rivers.

 

Somewhere in the darkness of the underworld was the palace of Hades.  It is often depicted as a many-gated, dark and gloomy place, set in the midst of shadowy fields and haunted landscapes.  Cerberus a fierce three-headed, dragon-tailed dog, guards the gates.  Inside however, it was redolent with the treasures of the earth and thronged with his guests.  From here Hades ruled his kingdom while sitting on a throne made of ebony, the scepter and badge of his office was a staff, with which he drove unrepentant souls of the dead into the lower world of Tartarus.  To get to the palace was a long and perilous journey crossing the many rivers.

 

On death, the soul of a person was lead by Hermes to the entrance of the underworld, there to be met by the aged Charon who runs the only ferry allowed the cross the rivers.  Only those who could pay the fare (after death, coins and other treasures were often buried with the deceased for this purpose) would receive passage, those who couldn’t pay would be trapped between two worlds.  The journey would begin on the Acheron (the river of woe), down the Cocytus (the river of lamentation), into the Lethe (the river of forgetfulness), through the Phlegethon (the river of fire) and on to the Styx (the river of hate) to arrive at the gates of the palace.

 

The soul then enters through the gates to be met by Cerberus, who allows all souls to enter, but none to leave.  The soul then appears before a panel of three judges, Rhadamanthus, Minos, and Aeacus, who review the souls past life.  Those who had been good were blessed and allowed to proceed into the Elysian Fields, a happy final resting place.  Those who had not were damned and abolished to Tartarus, the infernal abyss, there to forever reside in torment.  The legends of Sisyphus and Tantalus are examples of this.

[url]http://www.controverscial.com/Greek%20Mythology.htm#Hades%20and%20Hell[/url] 

Again ! The Hebrew word Sheol means the grave, this is what these Greco -Roman translators changed to become Hell(from greek mythology)

When you have a chance look up the book Dante's Inferno. Read my brother!! Knowledge is power

Salamah!
Yisraylite 

lol @topic

Only unintelligent and people with pea sized brains can believe such crock that a hell exists. The very notion of this concept poses a million questions that christian apologists cannot remotely answer talkless of defend in any rational or sensible manner whatsoever. A sampler of these questions goes thus:

1. Ok what is hell? Ans: A place where bad people or unbelievers go to if they dont believe the word of god, hmm, Well this might sound reasonable okay for a child under 7 to believe but as an adult, pssf, it poses some challenges e.g:

Where is that place located? After the clouds or under the seas? because  after 1000s of years of geological discoveries, nobody seems to have discovered hell.

Also, how do people go to hell? Do they take a bus, plane, float, okada

Also, its just plain biology or logic to know that after the human body dies, the body decomposses and the skeletons dry up and wither. Now what goes to hell? The decomposed body or what?

Most christians will argue here foolishly that it is your soul that goes to hell or heaven, but you still fall back to that question of what is a soul? What form or shape is it? Diametre, size, height and a host of questions. Does the soul float or what? Does it have human hair, eyes, teeth, buttocks, private parts etc or what? Does the soul wear clothes and what kind of clothes? 4,000 year old jewish swaddles and sandals or Gucci jeans and fendi tops? Is the soul naked or looks like an alien with 33 fingers and 4 heads with one huge eye ball?

Then wise christians would quickly jump to the aid of their drowning fellows and say, "It is your spirit that goes to hell"? and we go back to the age old question. What is a spirit? How does a spirit look like? Is it an obama reincarnation or hitler look alike? does a spirit piss or shit? How does the spirit function without its vital organs like a heart, kidney, liver and blood running through its veins? How can something that doesnt have biological tissues speak, touch or move?

2. Ok if you can remotely wiggle yourself from this embarassing dilema, then explain how does a spirit or soul that neither has any biological feature get burned especially for eternity and feel pain? It just like saying, the stone that is burning is actually crying out loud for it not to get burned?

3. Ok talking about burning, where does the fire come from? How does fire burn eternally without it quenching at some point. Thats why when i ever i hear such daft and moronic prayers like "Holy ghost fire burn him," i just sigh and wonder how an educated person could repeat such bulls**t over and over again. Is the holy spirit a fire spitting dragon or a member of the X-MEN named Pyro? Where does the fire emanate from? does he use charcoal, kerosine or fuel to burn or how else do you create fire and induce it to burn continously?

4. Talking about the so called fire, is there an NNPC mega station located in Hell that spews out fuel and kerosene continously to fan the embers of the spiritual fire or is that fuel also made for only spirits or souls?

5. How do you burn eternally? Is there a calendar of sort that says if you enter hell on the 23 of August 2008, you can check back in 2038 if the fire is still burning that single soul or spirit and proably check back in year 2674 to top the kerosene that has been added by the devil to burn you forever? I guess the rising cost of fuel world wide doesnt affect Hell

6. How does something or a soul or spirit burn forever and wail and gnash? When does hell start and when does it end for xtians to assume it would burn forever?

The only way to wiggle out of this log jam is to assume that it is human beings that get burned in hell since no rational explanation can be given to support the metaphors of souls or spirits getting burned.

Using human beings also provides more problems for a xtian apologist because the human body is filled with all kinds of micro organisms that make the human body survive both good and bad. Does that mean there would be millions of bacterias floating around hell for eternity?

Ok lets talk about the master of ceremony, the devil. Since he is the host of this great party, we have to know more about the guy or chick or transgendered or whatever. Does he just recieve your soul and throw you into hell and check on you every 350 years to see if the fire is still warm enough to carry that damned soul for another 400 years?

From the above, you can see how stupid such a concept called hell is. Apart from the fire branding pastors who will do anything to whip their congregation into line by threatening them with this hell crock so as to promote an emotional response and fear instead of pure reasoning, most xtians dont even know what hell is and if this seems true.

Another analogy to this sheer stupidity comes from this angle. If god rewards its people and followers by granting them all the goodness of heaven because the followers did his bidding, why shouldnt the devil reward his own followers by giving them the choiciest parts of his own kingdom. At least christians call satan the prince of darkness. Once a prince, ever a prince. That means he is rich and wealthy and he will definately reward his loyal subjects. If the devil actually inspires someone to embezzle and that person embezzles with such finesse and style, isnt he supposed to recieve a reward from the prince of darkness instead of punishment. Which good deeds go unrewarded? In fact christians should be more scared of hell than the people you have condemned as evil people.

How such arrant nonsense began to spread for centuries and intelligent people began to lose their senses over this nonsense called hell is extremely baffling.

For those looking for a real hell, you dont have to look much further than bagdad, afghanistan or back home Oshodi. Thats the real hell, not some imaginary dark cave with fire burning non living things for centuries?

One more thing, how does a spirit or soul feel pain when it no longer has the characteristics of a living thing to feel?

pssfff!!, Chrisitians and their fabrications sha!, I bow for una o!

Zino Ben:
lol @topic

Only unintelligent and people with pea sized brains can believe such crock that a hell exists. The very notion of this concept poses a million questions that christian apologists cannot remotely answer talkless of defend in any rational or sensible manner whatsoever. A sampler of these questions goes thus:

1. Ok what is hell? Ans: A place where bad people or unbelievers go to if they don't believe the word of god, hmm, Well this might sound reasonable okay for a child under 7 to believe but as an adult, pssf, it poses some challenges e.g:

Where is that place located? After the clouds or under the seas? because after 1000s of years of geological discoveries, nobody seems to have discovered hell.

Also, how do people go to hell? Do they take a bus, plane, float, okada

Also, its just plain biology or logic to know that after the human body dies, the body decomposses and the skeletons dry up and wither. Now what goes to hell? The decomposed body or what?

Most christians will argue here foolishly that it is your soul that goes to hell or heaven, but you still fall back to that question of what is a soul? What form or shape is it? Diametre, size, height and a host of questions. Does the soul float or what? Does it have human hair, eyes, teeth, buttocks, private parts etc or what? Does the soul wear clothes and what kind of clothes? 4,000 year old jewish swaddles and sandals or Gucci jeans and fendi tops? Is the soul naked or looks like an alien with 33 fingers and 4 heads with one huge eye ball?

Then wise christians would quickly jump to the aid of their drowning fellows and say, "It is your spirit that goes to hell"? and we go back to the age old question. What is a spirit? How does a spirit look like? Is it an obama reincarnation or hitler look alike? does a spirit piss or shit? How does the spirit function without its vital organs like a heart, kidney, liver and blood running through its veins? How can something that doesnt have biological tissues speak, touch or move?

2. Ok if you can remotely wiggle yourself from this embarassing dilema, then explain how does a spirit or soul that neither has any biological feature get burned especially for eternity and feel pain? It just like saying, the stone that is burning is actually crying out loud for it not to get burned?

3. Ok talking about burning, where does the fire come from? How does fire burn eternally without it quenching at some point. Thats why when i ever i hear such daft and moronic prayers like "Holy ghost fire burn him," i just sigh and wonder how an educated person could repeat such bulls**t over and over again. Is the holy spirit a fire spitting dragon or a member of the X-MEN named Pyro? Where does the fire emanate from? does he use charcoal, kerosine or fuel to burn or how else do you create fire and induce it to burn continously?

4. Talking about the so called fire, is there an NNPC mega station located in Hell that spews out fuel and kerosene continously to fan the embers of the spiritual fire or is that fuel also made for only spirits or souls?

5. How do you burn eternally? Is there a calendar of sort that says if you enter hell on the 23 of August 2008, you can check back in 2038 if the fire is still burning that single soul or spirit and proably check back in year 2674 to top the kerosene that has been added by the devil to burn you forever? I guess the rising cost of fuel world wide doesnt affect Hell

6. How does something or a soul or spirit burn forever and wail and gnash? When does hell start and when does it end for xtians to assume it would burn forever?

The only way to wiggle out of this log jam is to assume that it is human beings that get burned in hell since no rational explanation can be given to support the metaphors of souls or spirits getting burned.

Using human beings also provides more problems for a xtian apologist because the human body is filled with all kinds of micro organisms that make the human body survive both good and bad. Does that mean there would be millions of bacterias floating around hell for eternity?

Ok lets talk about the master of ceremony, the devil. Since he is the host of this great party, we have to know more about the guy or chick or transgendered or whatever. Does he just recieve your soul and throw you into hell and check on you every 350 years to see if the fire is still warm enough to carry that damned soul for another 400 years?

From the above, you can see how stupid such a concept called hell is. Apart from the fire branding pastors who will do anything to whip their congregation into line by threatening them with this hell crock so as to promote an emotional response and fear instead of pure reasoning, most xtians don't even know what hell is and if this seems true.

Another analogy to this sheer stupidity comes from this angle. If god rewards its people and followers by granting them all the goodness of heaven because the followers did his bidding, why shouldnt the devil reward his own followers by giving them the choiciest parts of his own kingdom. At least christians call satan the prince of darkness. Once a prince, ever a prince. That means he is rich and wealthy and he will definately reward his loyal subjects. If the devil actually inspires someone to embezzle and that person embezzles with such finesse and style, isnt he supposed to recieve a reward from the prince of darkness instead of punishment. Which good deeds go unrewarded? In fact christians should be more scared of hell than the people you have condemned as evil people.

How such arrant nonsense began to spread for centuries and intelligent people began to lose their senses over this nonsense called hell is extremely baffling.

For those looking for a real hell, you don't have to look much further than bagdad, afghanistan or back home Oshodi. Thats the real hell, not some imaginary dark cave with fire burning non living things for centuries?

One more thing, how does a spirit or soul feel pain when it no longer has the characteristics of a living thing to feel?

pssfff!!, Chrisitians and their fabrications sha!, I bow for una o!

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Zino Ben:
lol @topic

Only unintelligent and people with pea sized brains can believe such crock that a hell exists. The very notion of this concept poses a million questions that christian apologists cannot remotely answer talkless of defend in any rational or sensible manner whatsoever. A sampler of these questions goes thus:

1. Ok what is hell? Ans: A place where bad people or unbelievers go to if they don't believe the word of god, hmm, Well this might sound reasonable okay for a child under 7 to believe but as an adult, pssf, it poses some challenges e.g:

Where is that place located? After the clouds or under the seas? because after 1000s of years of geological discoveries, nobody seems to have discovered hell.

Also, how do people go to hell? Do they take a bus, plane, float, okada

Also, its just plain biology or logic to know that after the human body dies, the body decomposses and the skeletons dry up and wither. Now what goes to hell? The decomposed body or what?

Most christians will argue here foolishly that it is your soul that goes to hell or heaven, but you still fall back to that question of what is a soul? What form or shape is it? Diametre, size, height and a host of questions. Does the soul float or what? Does it have human hair, eyes, teeth, buttocks, private parts etc or what? Does the soul wear clothes and what kind of clothes? 4,000 year old jewish swaddles and sandals or Gucci jeans and fendi tops? Is the soul naked or looks like an alien with 33 fingers and 4 heads with one huge eye ball?

Then wise christians would quickly jump to the aid of their drowning fellows and say, "It is your spirit that goes to hell"? and we go back to the age old question. What is a spirit? How does a spirit look like? Is it an obama reincarnation or hitler look alike? does a spirit piss or shit? How does the spirit function without its vital organs like a heart, kidney, liver and blood running through its veins? How can something that doesnt have biological tissues speak, touch or move?

2. Ok if you can remotely wiggle yourself from this embarassing dilema, then explain how does a spirit or soul that neither has any biological feature get burned especially for eternity and feel pain? It just like saying, the stone that is burning is actually crying out loud for it not to get burned?

3. Ok talking about burning, where does the fire come from? How does fire burn eternally without it quenching at some point. Thats why when i ever i hear such daft and moronic prayers like "Holy ghost fire burn him," i just sigh and wonder how an educated person could repeat such bulls**t over and over again. Is the holy spirit a fire spitting dragon or a member of the X-MEN named Pyro? Where does the fire emanate from? does he use charcoal, kerosine or fuel to burn or how else do you create fire and induce it to burn continously?

4. Talking about the so called fire, is there an NNPC mega station located in Hell that spews out fuel and kerosene continously to fan the embers of the spiritual fire or is that fuel also made for only spirits or souls?

5. How do you burn eternally? Is there a calendar of sort that says if you enter hell on the 23 of August 2008, you can check back in 2038 if the fire is still burning that single soul or spirit and proably check back in year 2674 to top the kerosene that has been added by the devil to burn you forever? I guess the rising cost of fuel world wide doesnt affect Hell

6. How does something or a soul or spirit burn forever and wail and gnash? When does hell start and when does it end for xtians to assume it would burn forever?

The only way to wiggle out of this log jam is to assume that it is human beings that get burned in hell since no rational explanation can be given to support the metaphors of souls or spirits getting burned.

Using human beings also provides more problems for a xtian apologist because the human body is filled with all kinds of micro organisms that make the human body survive both good and bad. Does that mean there would be millions of bacterias floating around hell for eternity?

Ok lets talk about the master of ceremony, the devil. Since he is the host of this great party, we have to know more about the guy or chick or transgendered or whatever. Does he just recieve your soul and throw you into hell and check on you every 350 years to see if the fire is still warm enough to carry that damned soul for another 400 years?

From the above, you can see how stupid such a concept called hell is. Apart from the fire branding pastors who will do anything to whip their congregation into line by threatening them with this hell crock so as to promote an emotional response and fear instead of pure reasoning, most xtians don't even know what hell is and if this seems true.

Another analogy to this sheer stupidity comes from this angle. If god rewards its people and followers by granting them all the goodness of heaven because the followers did his bidding, why shouldnt the devil reward his own followers by giving them the choiciest parts of his own kingdom. At least christians call satan the prince of darkness. Once a prince, ever a prince. That means he is rich and wealthy and he will definately reward his loyal subjects. If the devil actually inspires someone to embezzle and that person embezzles with such finesse and style, isnt he supposed to recieve a reward from the prince of darkness instead of punishment. Which good deeds go unrewarded? In fact christians should be more scared of hell than the people you have condemned as evil people.

How such arrant nonsense began to spread for centuries and intelligent people began to lose their senses over this nonsense called hell is extremely baffling.

For those looking for a real hell, you don't have to look much further than bagdad, afghanistan or back home Oshodi. Thats the real hell, not some imaginary dark cave with fire burning non living things for centuries?

One more thing, how does a spirit or soul feel pain when it no longer has the characteristics of a living thing to feel?

pssfff!!, Chrisitians and their fabrications sha!, I bow for una o!

Word, now the christain apologist will come around speaking about faith and what not. just believe in hell even though it doesnt exist lol

just wait ok, when u get there holla em' fella ok, may the lord save ur soul,

When You get there You can see for yourself.

I am going to reserch this and get back 2 U!!!

@Poster

I have a satellite phone i use to wind satan up while hez ass his getting burnt in hell

He his in the most ferocious part of hell and hez bleeped

If u need to find out, i would lend u my phone!

@post
if hell is a bundle of lies what about heaven? Is that a bundle of lies too?

YUP!

Just a bunch of bullsh*t to keep the poor in line.

If you noticed, The SuperRich are still doing their thang.


Controlling all the Wealth and giving NON OF IT to the poor.

Black slaves in A-merry-ica been praying to their GOD for centuries,


and what have he done for them?

MandingoII:
YUP!

Just a bunch of bullsh*t to keep the poor in line.

If you noticed, The SuperRich are still doing their thang.


Controlling all the Wealth and giving NON OF IT to the poor.

Black slaves in A-merry-ica been praying to their GOD for centuries,


and what have he done for them?

he never killed the white devils. . . . . . . .

Hell is real for sure if we are believers of God's word, but as to what hell is exactly is viewed differently by others.

To me hell is more an event taking place over a period of time as a means of punishment for the wicked. What I don't believe is that its a location where people burn indefinitely, as as some put it, burning forever. I will go as far as saying that it will be the whole earth that will be on fire. Listen to Peter:

[b]2 Peter 3:10[/b] "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Note what Peter said in verse 13, Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Simple isn't it? God will cleanse this earth with fire of sin, wicked men, evil angels, prepared for Satan and his angels. If we choose to follow Satan and his emiisaries, then it simply means we will inherit their punishment.

@poster, what good can come from unbeliver? shame you. read the bible for your own understanding.

Zino Ben that was a total show of good skill in writing, but you know nothing about the subject.Honeslty, you are confused.Don't worry so much continue in your evil ways with this mentality of yours hoping there is no hell.My brother hell is so real and cannot be escaped by evil doers. It is unfortunate that you have a reprobate mind. I am not going to quote the Bible yet. The generation of Noah had the taste of it and this generation's is going to be more severe according to Scriptures. My brother please think again!

@ Zion Ben

lol @topic

Only unintelligent and people with pea sized brains can believe such crock that a hell exists. The very notion of this concept poses a million questions that christian apologists cannot remotely answer talkless of defend in any rational or sensible manner whatsoever. A sampler of these questions goes thus:

Don't be too sure of that, !

1. Ok what is hell? Ans: A place where bad people or unbelievers go to if they don't believe the word of god, hmm, Well this might sound reasonable okay for a child under 7 to believe but as an adult, pssf, it poses some challenges e.g:

I understand your position. Blame those false teachers who distort the meaning of the word hell. The word hell is translated from different words each having their own meaning.

In the Old testament we find: 31 times from "sheol" which means grave.

In the New testament we find the use of hades 10 times which means the grave, we also find the use of gehenna 12 times which means "the place of burning" , we also find the use of tartarus being used once to mean "a place of darkness"

54 times in all.

Where is that place located? After the clouds or under the seas? because after 1000s of years of geological discoveries, nobody seems to have discovered hell.

Hell is both a place and an event. This earth will become a ball of fire but only after God has finished judging all men and showing them their deeds, and why He must put an end to their miserable lives. Some Christians teach erroneously, which is unfortunate, that while God's redeemed will share eternal life in heaven, the wicked will somehow suffer eternally in hell. The bible says "Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth" That means that after God destroys sin and sinners, and cleanses the earth with fire that falls from heaven, He will re-create a new earth in which all God's people will live, including God Himself. His temple will be among us.

God will certainly hold these false teachers responsible for distorting His word.

Also, how do people go to hell? Do they take a bus, plane, float, okada?HuhHuh??

LOL, I had to laugh to that one. Forgive me. According to Revelation 20 God's fire will descend upon the wicked, And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

This fire will fall from heaven when all of mankind that ever lived on this earth from different generations will meet in one place. God's people will be safe in His city looking at those on the outside, while all those on the outside will be destroyed. The bible says the fire will devour them.

Also, its just plain biology or logic to know that after the human body dies, the body decomposses and the skeletons dry up and wither. Now what goes to hell? The decomposed body or what?

Yes I agree but you need to remember that God will bring back to life both the righteous and the wicked. Both will experience a resurrection, except that the righteous would have been given an immortal body, while the bodies of the wicked will be as before they died. While we have life everlasting, they are subject to the death that is coming called the second death in scriptures.

Most christians will argue here foolishly that it is your soul that goes to hell or heaven, but you still fall back to that question of what is a soul? What form or shape is it? Diametre, size, height and a host of questions. Does the soul float or what? Does it have human hair, eyes, teeth, buttocks, private parts etc or what? Does the soul wear clothes and what kind of clothes? 4,000 year old jewish swaddles and sandals or Gucci jeans and fendi tops? Is the soul naked or looks like an alien with 33 fingers and 4 heads with one huge eye ball?

If you view the word soul as a mere expression used to describe a living being then fine. That is all it is. Another word for soul is being, creature, etc. It is just an expression. The bible says that man became a living soul after God blew breath into his nostrils. You see sometimes the bible uses certain phrases or words that may seem contradictory, but if we examine the context carefully we walk away smiling. We ourselves coin words or phrases. We use a regular word and apply it differently. The writers o fold did likewise. So its possible to find the word soul in other sections of the bible carrying a different meaning, based on the context in which it was used.

Then wise christians would quickly jump to the aid of their drowning fellows and say, "It is your spirit that goes to hell"? and we go back to the age old question. What is a spirit? How does a spirit look like? Is it an obama reincarnation or hitler look alike? does a spirit piss or shit? How does the spirit function without its vital organs like a heart, kidney, liver and blood running through its veins? How can something that doesnt have biological tissues speak, touch or move?

The spirit is one's life force. Its the same thing as the breath that was placed in Adam's lifeless body. It is God who places this spirit in us and only He can remove it, and incidentally Solomon says it goes back to God after death. Secondly it is not the same as the soul as some would have us believe.

2. Ok if you can remotely wiggle yourself from this embarassing dilema, then explain how does a spirit or soul that neither has any biological feature get burned especially for eternity and feel pain? It just like saying, the stone that is burning is actually crying out loud for it not to get burned?

There has to be a blend of both body and life(spirit or life force) for suffering to take place. After the fire destroys sinners, and their bodies perish, then God will reclaim that life force. It has always been His. The spirit that maintains life came from Him.

3. Ok talking about burning, where does the fire come from? How does fire burn eternally without it quenching at some point. Thats why when i ever i hear such daft and moronic prayers like "Holy ghost fire burn him," i just sigh and wonder how an educated person could repeat such bulls**t over and over again. Is the holy spirit a fire spitting dragon or a member of the X-MEN named Pyro? Where does the fire emanate from? does he use charcoal, kerosine or fuel to burn or how else do you create fire and induce it to burn continously?

If you read above you would see where the fire came from. As was said it falls from heaven where God dwells.

5. How do you burn eternally? Is there a calendar of sort that says if you enter hell on the 23 of August 2008, you can check back in 2038 if the fire is still burning that single soul or spirit and proably check back in year 2674 to top the kerosene that has been added by the devil to burn you forever? I guess the rising cost of fuel world wide doesnt affect Hell Grin

Rest assured no one burns everlastingly.

uchmangrt:
Zino Ben that was a total show of good skill in writing, but you know nothing about the subject.Honeslty, you are confused.Don't worry so much continue in your evil ways with this mentality of yours hoping there is no hell.My brother hell is so real and cannot be escaped by evil doers. It is unfortunate that you have a reprobate mind. I am not going to quote the Bible yet. The generation of Noah had the taste of it and this generation's is going to be more severe according to Scriptures. My brother please think again!

@Uchmangrt

You have really not said anything intelligent and there is no point engaging in a discuss with you. All you christian apologists think of whenever your confronted with a mind boggling issue or question is to start raining insults and fire branding curses. That is a typical christian hall mark and i dont blame you. You learnt it from the bible so you need to follow your mentors.

Regarding the noah issue, while that stroy has been discovered to be the greatest fabrication on earth, a closer look at your statement shows that if god actually used the flood to wipe out the whole world, doesnt that make such a god really the devil? Isnt that evilness unlimited? Just because someone refused to worship him, your god becomes angry like a child whom his ice cream has been taken from him and wipes out a whole planet. What moral lesson is that? That if you dont worship god, he would kill you?

Isnt this the kind of thing even osama bin ladin would frown at? The devil couldnt have commited this kind of atrocity. Only the god of the bible can be this demonic to say the least

@bobbyaf

understand your position. Blame those false teachers who distort the meaning of the word hell. The word hell is translated from different words each having their own meaning.

In the Old testament we find: 31 times from "sheol" which means grave.

In the New testament we find the use of hades 10 times which means the grave, we also find the use of gehenna 12 times which means "the place of burning" , we also find the use of tartarus being used once to mean "a place of darkness"

54 times in all.

Well i think that answer should go to the fire branding pastors who would stop at nothing to bamboozle their sheepish followers and these sheeps would continue to interprete and mis interprete words in the bible to satisfy themselves.

Hell is both a place and an event. This earth will become a ball of fire but only after God has finished judging all men and showing them their deeds, and why He must put an end to their miserable lives. Some Christians teach erroneously, which is unfortunate, that while God's redeemed will share eternal life in heaven, the wicked will somehow suffer eternally in hell. The bible says "Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth" That means that after God destroys sin and sinners, and cleanses the earth with fire that falls from heaven, He will re-create a new earth in which all God's people will live, including God Himself. His temple will be among us.

This is a typical christian way of insertionism whereby you interprete something that isnt there to mean its there. How can you say hell is a place and an event? What place? Which event? This is totally untrue, has no shroud of evidence and should be totally rejected by all intelligent human beings.

You like to rigmarole and try to explain the impossible but you know there is no way around it unless you convolute a new meaning to it. Where did the story of the earth turning into a ball of fire come from? I dont know where you guys pull these rubbish theories from but it is riddiculous to say the least. An unsuspecting person would fall for this insertionism trick and accept it as true but there is no where it is written in the bible that the earth will turn into a ball of fire. The mere thought of something this ridiculous and scientifically untrue is enough to drive your biblical god nuts with all these contraptions and false assumptions.

LOL, I had to laugh to that one. Forgive me. According to Revelation 20 God's fire will descend upon the wicked, And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

This fire will fall from heaven when all of mankind that ever lived on this earth from different generations will meet in one place. God's people will be safe in His city looking at those on the outside, while all those on the outside will be destroyed. The bible says the fire will devour them.

hmm, this quote has enough ammunition for me to counternance it.

The quote brings out theses statements:

1.God's fire will descend upon the wicked

Well it presupposes that god has fire in him or her or whatever it is called. Is he a fire man or does he smoke or has a walking match box with him or he is sango's re-incarnate? Because it definately doesnt make any iota of sense to me except he is a certified arsonist!

2.And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

This is a very meaningless and irrelevant statement to say the least. You say "they" whose they? any way you say they went up on the breath of the earth, "How did they go up to the top of the earth? Did they float or what? Are human beings now capable of levitating? If so, why waste billions of dollars designing rockets to go to the breadth of the earth since "they" will soon be going up to the breadth of the earth?, too dumb a quote to say the least

You also say 'and encompass the camp of the saints about What does this mean? How do reasonable people read these stuffs and believe in such hogwash that makes no sense. What is a saint and what qualifies you to be a saint and how do unseen saints look like or feel like?, pssff!!

Finally you talk about god devouring mankind through fire. Well that's not hard to believe since god as always been tagged a fire branding killer.

Yes I agree but you need to remember that God will bring back to life both the righteous and the wicked. Both will experience a resurrection, except that the righteous would have been given an immortal body, while the bodies of the wicked will be as before they died. While we have life everlasting, they are subject to the death that is coming called the second death in scriptures

What!

I cant believe a rational human actually wrote this quote.

You say god will bring life back. How is this possible. Well let's see, hmmm, my great grand father who died in probably 1912 and his corpse should actually be beyond rotten by now and bones almost in a fossil state, would rise again in flesh and blood, hmm, one question, when he comes back to life again, is he going to regenerate as a young school boy or a frail old man? Is he going to be wearing prada shoes and gucci ties or agbada with a mike tyson haircut? I dont get it, please educate me cos' i am dying to know One more thing, you said the good ones will be immortal. By immortal you mean he would have mutated into one of the x-men? or a cousin of wolverine with adamantum steel skeleton and a body impervious to heat, fire, storm, ice and water?, hmm, no wonder x-men is such a hit movie today, lol

Now to the second death. You say the wicked die, will be ressurrected and would die again? hmm, sounds very unintelligent to me. So the wicked people who died in 1304 or 770 after christ will rise up again in the year 2078 and die again in the year 2079 or whenever? In what form would they be? How is their mind and beliefs going to be the same after they died and resurrected because if you die, your brain rots and disappears. Or is god keeping our brains and hearts in a freezer or what till he needs to resurrect that person to kill him again or what?

Dont you see how foolish these statements are? How you guys read these things and summarize them upside down without anyone taking notice is a mystery to me!

The spirit is one's life force. Its the same thing as the breath that was placed in Adam's lifeless body. It is God who places this spirit in us and only He can remove it, and incidentally Solomon says it goes back to God after death. Secondly it is not the same as the soul as some would have us believe.

Soul, spirit whatever. Bottomline no proof. Just some convuloted fabrication to twist the human mind that it exists, nuff said!

Rest assured no one burns everlastingly.

Wow this is a refreshing difference from what that fire branding jehovah witness said in my office when he was preaching yesterday to anyone who cared to listen to his bulls**t, lol

One minute a pastor adeboye is saying hell is forever and one minute pastor boobyaf is saying the otherwise, hmmm whom am i to believe, lol


Summary is that, you can only fool those who want to be fooled. I choose not to believe such stories that have no head or tail and relies only on metaphysical proof to prove it exists. What stops me from believing hell is a place where you share candies and loads of icecream. As long there is no tangible proof, every other excuse or theory is a hoax, illusion, apparition, imaginary and totally false and should be roundly denounced and counternanced by all reasonable men!

One minute a pastor adeboye is saying hell is forever and one minute pastor boobyaf is saying the otherwise, hmmm whom am i to believe, lol
Summary is that, you can only fool those who want to be fooled. I choose not to believe such stories that have no head or tail and relies only on metaphysical proof to prove it exists. What stops me from believing hell is a place where you share candies and loads of icecream. As long there is no tangible proof, every other excuse or theory is a hoax, illusion, apparition, imaginary and totally false and should be roundly denounced and counternanced by all reasonable men!

You have said it all, even some of the rational christain apologist are finding the idea of hell ridicilous and are tying to make it sound sensible and reasonable these days by postulating that it is not a place of eternal torment.

But in all truth it really isn't. God has nothing to gain from punishing the wicked all through the ceaseless ages of eternity. Any christian who postulates such absurdity has no clue what the bible teaches.

As for you Zino Ben you need to use less sarcasm in your responses. If I detect that you're not searching for real answers, then its pointless going there with you. I gather you're not here to learn, but to ridicule, and I am not here to play that game.

Just let me know when you're serious.

Zino Ben,you sound to me as if you have not read the bible before or you don't go to church.Am soory if I sound absurd. But you see,this issue we discuss is not fabricated as you asume or think. You keep saying it is unintelligent,of course you would not understand the scriptures with a reprobate mind. Hell according to the Scripture is a place of purnishment for sinners.

Pleas sorry if I may ask you this.Do you believe in God as the maker of heaven and earth or you think He is a kind of deity existing somewhere?

2] Do you read the Bible?If you do,do you believe it as the word of God?

If you can answer the above questions,I think it will help me to know from which angle you are looking at it.

uchmangrt:
Zino Ben,you sound to me as if you have not read the bible before or you don't go to church.Am soory if I sound absurd. But you see,this issue we discuss is not fabricated as you asume or think. You keep saying it is unintelligent,of course you would not understand the scriptures with a reprobate mind. Hell according to the Scripture is a place of purnishment for sinners.

Pleas sorry if I may ask you this.Do you believe in God as the maker of heaven and earth or you think He is a kind of deity existing somewhere?

2] Do you read the Bible?If you do,do you believe it as the word of God?

If you can answer the above questions,I think it will help me to know from which angle you are looking at it.

@uchmangrt

1. I have read the bible and still read it these days not as a holy book but another piece of fiction literature in the mould of "Things fall apart, James hardley chase novels or the harry potter chronicles. They all share one thing in common. Historical fiction and if you get too engrossed in it, it might sound very real and true to you.

2. I probably know the bible better than you and if you quote this, i might just look up the passage or verse and quote other wise to contradict what you just said.

3.Yes your right, i stopped going to church when i realised that it was turning into a micro-finance bank filled with circus performers and wannabe conference speakers. I go once in a while when i am bored to catch up on the latest entertainment that i could have missed 6 months ago but i end up sleeping off when the pastor gets into his windy, long and boring fire branding message of the day. Anyway, the churches have a use to me whenever i go. Those pews are very comfortable when you want to sleep and they are really designed well. I ought to get one in my house someday.

4. I dont believe in the biblical god as the god that made heaven or earth or what so ever due to the inherent contradictions and half truths and uncompleted stories that can be best described as a fable. What i know is that how we are created is a mystery that hasnt been rationally explained and not because it hasnt been rationally explained by someone or a group, that doesnt mean we should now accept the stories of another group when it has no conclusive evidence.

There are so many gods ranging from allah to zeus, osiris, buddah, oduduwa etc with all different stories about how the world was created. If i cant believe the god zeus because it doesnt sound and feel right, what makes the god of the bible better than them? Theu all share the same characteristics of not been ever seen and their stories were written by the so called inspired men of these gods.

Until there is a rational and conclusive evidence that the biblical god made the heavens and earth, i will not rely on such fables as a source of belief. The most hilarious of the genesis story is the story that god removed a rib from adam and created eve. So god was involved in cloning way before dolly the sheep 5,000 years later? If he just created adam from dust just like that, why go through the stress of stealing a rib from adam and causing a deep sleep to create eve? at least when he made the male and female orangutans, he didnt remove the male tonsils of the orangutan to create the female orangutan neither did he do the same for the female kangaroos, male elephants and what so ever animals. Its even absurd to think of god just created over 100 million species of animals and insects male and female just in a day?

Besides when god said lets make man in our own image, werent there any women in heaven or wherever he was just floating around from?, Jeez gimme a break!

5. Finally how can i believe the bible is a word of a holy god? A book filled with monsterous atrocities of the highest proportion, slavery, murders, debauchery,immorality, misnognmy,curses, homosexuality, drunkeness and the like and you want me to accept that as a book inspired by a holy and good god?, Abeg bros, forget that side.

Dont even push me to start quoting all these evil and demonic passages from the bible again. Its too nauseating to even think of it.

Zino Ben:
@uchmangrt

1. I have read the bible and still read it these days not as a holy book but another piece of fiction literature in the mould of "Things fall apart, James hardley chase novels or the harry potter chronicles. They all share one thing in common. Historical fiction and if you get too engrossed in it, it might sound very real and true to you.

2. I probably know the bible better than you and if you quote this, i might just look up the passage or verse and quote other wise to contradict what you just said.

3.Yes your right, i stopped going to church when i realised that it was turning into a micro-finance bank filled with circus performers and wannabe conference speakers. I go once in a while when i am bored to catch up on the latest entertainment that i could have missed 6 months ago but i end up sleeping off when the pastor gets into his windy, long and boring fire branding message of the day. Anyway, the churches have a use to me whenever i go. Those pews are very comfortable when you want to sleep and they are really designed well. I ought to get one in my house someday.

4. I don't believe in the biblical god as the god that made heaven or earth or what so ever due to the inherent contradictions and half truths and uncompleted stories that can be best described as a fable. What i know is that how we are created is a mystery that hasnt been rationally explained and not because it hasnt been rationally explained by someone or a group, that doesnt mean we should now accept the stories of another group when it has no conclusive evidence.

There are so many gods ranging from allah to zeus, osiris, buddah, oduduwa etc with all different stories about how the world was created. If i can't believe the god zeus because it doesnt sound and feel right, what makes the god of the bible better than them? Theu all share the same characteristics of not been ever seen and their stories were written by the so called inspired men of these gods.

Until there is a rational and conclusive evidence that the biblical god made the heavens and earth, i will not rely on such fables as a source of belief. The most hilarious of the genesis story is the story that god removed a rib from adam and created eve. So god was involved in cloning way before dolly the sheep 5,000 years later? If he just created adam from dust just like that, why go through the stress of stealing a rib from adam and causing a deep sleep to create eve? at least when he made the male and female orangutans, he didnt remove the male tonsils of the orangutan to create the female orangutan neither did he do the same for the female kangaroos, male elephants and what so ever animals. Its even absurd to think of god just created over 100 million species of animals and insects male and female just in a day?

Besides when god said lets make man in our own image, werent there any women in heaven or wherever he was just floating around from?, Jeez gimme a break!

5. Finally how can i believe the bible is a word of a holy god? A book filled with monsterous atrocities of the highest proportion, slavery, murders, debauchery,immorality, misnognmy,curses, homosexuality, drunkeness and the like and you want me to accept that as a book inspired by a holy and good god?, Abeg bros, forget that side.

Dont even push me to start quoting all these evil and demonic passages from the bible again. Its too nauseating to even think of it.

Zino Ben my man I feel you

Zino Ben:
@uchmangrt

1. I have read the bible and still read it these days not as a holy book but another piece of fiction literature in the mould of "Things fall apart, James hardley chase novels or the harry potter chronicles. They all share one thing in common. Historical fiction and if you get too engrossed in it, it might sound very real and true to you.

2. I probably know the bible better than you and if you quote this, i might just look up the passage or verse and quote other wise to contradict what you just said.

3.Yes your right, i stopped going to church when i realised that it was turning into a micro-finance bank filled with circus performers and wannabe conference speakers. I go once in a while when i am bored to catch up on the latest entertainment that i could have missed 6 months ago but i end up sleeping off when the pastor gets into his windy, long and boring fire branding message of the day. Anyway, the churches have a use to me whenever i go. Those pews are very comfortable when you want to sleep and they are really designed well. I ought to get one in my house someday.

4. I don't believe in the biblical god as the god that made heaven or earth or what so ever due to the inherent contradictions and half truths and uncompleted stories that can be best described as a fable. What i know is that how we are created is a mystery that hasnt been rationally explained and not because it hasnt been rationally explained by someone or a group, that doesnt mean we should now accept the stories of another group when it has no conclusive evidence.

There are so many gods ranging from allah to zeus, osiris, buddah, oduduwa etc with all different stories about how the world was created. If i can't believe the god zeus because it doesnt sound and feel right, what makes the god of the bible better than them? Theu all share the same characteristics of not been ever seen and their stories were written by the so called inspired men of these gods.

Until there is a rational and conclusive evidence that the biblical god made the heavens and earth, i will not rely on such fables as a source of belief. The most hilarious of the genesis story is the story that god removed a rib from adam and created eve. So god was involved in cloning way before dolly the sheep 5,000 years later? If he just created adam from dust just like that, why go through the stress of stealing a rib from adam and causing a deep sleep to create eve? at least when he made the male and female orangutans, he didnt remove the male tonsils of the orangutan to create the female orangutan neither did he do the same for the female kangaroos, male elephants and what so ever animals. Its even absurd to think of god just created over 100 million species of animals and insects male and female just in a day?

Besides when god said lets make man in our own image, werent there any women in heaven or wherever he was just floating around from?, Jeez gimme a break!

5. Finally how can i believe the bible is a word of a holy god? A book filled with monsterous atrocities of the highest proportion, slavery, murders, debauchery,immorality, misnognmy,curses, homosexuality, drunkeness and the like and you want me to accept that as a book inspired by a holy and good god?, Abeg bros, forget that side.

Dont even push me to start quoting all these evil and demonic passages from the bible again. Its too nauseating to even think of it.

Zino Ben,I think
I understand your state of perplexity,but you see if you want go by the use of the senses your comprehension of this subject and God will be abitrarily limited.Why? Because you will be limited to the five senses ie you will be judging base on what your five senses can grasp.God cannot be known or understood with the senses,you need faith knowlede to understand Him or know Him. And the faith knowledge can only be accessed through the Bible because God is a Spirit and until you come to that level you will never comprehend. I was once carrying this kind of mentality of yours.

Now take for example,pause a little bit and ponder on how come the entire universe and the fullness thereof using the senses you will come to a point of rational analysis of a GREATER FORCE somewhere that must have been the architect behind.Your upgrading to faith knowledge via the study of the Bible will clear you up of these plights gripping your understanding.

Now,whatever events that took place wheather evil or good  which were recorded in the Bible are for your learning and for the purpose of reference.You see Zino,the bible is an encyclopedic Book oldest of all addressing whatever bugging issues in life. It is a book of wisdom both ancient and now.

The Bible says it is only a fool that has said in his heart there is no God[Ps.53:1].
2]For whatever things that were written aforetime were written for our learning,that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope[Rms 15:2].
My brother please think again

Please come to terms with these truths.

Idinrete where do you stand seef?

stand where?