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Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by pazienza(m): 8:57pm On Aug 04, 2016
chukzyblingz:
You should refrain from saying what you know nothing about. Asaba people were massacred because they were apologetic to the Biafran soldiers. They weren't killed because they were Igbo or something like that. The Nigerian soldiers discovered hence the massacre. It has nothing to do with Benin.

But there was no massacre in Agbor. Umunede was the base of the Nigerian Army during the war. There was no any form of massacre in Ika area.

Liar. Many Ika people were massacred in Bini by the Nigerian Army, they were pointed out by their Bini neighbors. Igbodo town was the worst hit.

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Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by chukzyblingz(m): 9:05pm On Aug 04, 2016
pazienza:


Liar. Many Ika people were massacred in Bini by the Nigerian Army, they were pointed out by their Bini neighbors. Igbodo town was the worst hit.
You must be a senseless fool. Where were they massacred? In their village or where? Read your history well and stop listening to palm wine joint history. Ika land was the headquarters of the Midwest command of the Nigerian army during the war.

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Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by pazienza(m): 11:48pm On Aug 04, 2016
chukzyblingz:
You must be a senseless fool. Where were they massacred? In their village or where? Read your history well and stop listening to palm wine joint history. Ika land was the headquarters of the Midwest command of the Nigerian army during the war.

I'd advise you stay away from
ad hominem, because believe you me, I have stayed long enough in these Nairaland trenches, and you are yet to phantom how dirty I can go, if you want to go that route.

So, I'd suggest we keep this discussion civil for your own sake.

Ika land was conquered during the war and ofcourse defenseless, they had to play on side of caution with Igbophobic Nigerian Army.

Here is a narrative of a respected Igbodo member of this forum on this issue a long time ago. I would take his narration over yours as he is intellectually your superior and what's more, he is proudly Igbo and of Ika origin, now doesnt that sound nice?

www.nairaland.com/458875/delta-igbo-bendel-igbo-what/16

He is Ogbuefi1 in that thread, go through his debate with Bini elements there.

Omonua was also an Aniocha man who lived in Bini, his input on that thread was equally marvelous.

Ndo.

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Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by chukzyblingz(m): 3:10am On Aug 05, 2016
pazienza:


I'd advise you stay away from
ad hominem, because believe you me, I have stayed long enough in these Nairaland trenches, and you are yet to phantom how dirty I can go, if you want to go that route.

So, I'd suggest we keep this discussion civil for your own sake.

Ika land was conquered during the war and ofcourse defenseless, they had to play on side of caution with Igbophobic Nigerian Army.

Here is a narrative of a respected Igbodo member of this forum on this issue a long time ago. I would take his narration over yours as he is intellectually your superior and what's more, he is proudly Igbo and of Ika origin, now doesnt that sound nice?

www.nairaland.com/458875/delta-igbo-bendel-igbo-what/16

He is Ogbuefi1 in that thread, go through his debate with Bini elements there.

Omonua was also an Aniocha man who lived in Bini, his input on that thread was equally marvelous.

Ndo.
Igbodo is not equal to Ikaland. Most Ika people don't see Igbodo as an Ika community because of their similarities with Aniocha same way Egbudu is an Aniocha town but many people argue they're Ika. If you want to talk about Ika, don't use Igbodo as an example. Ika wasn't conquered as they never supported Biafra.
Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by pazienza(m): 9:03am On Aug 05, 2016
chukzyblingz:
Igbodo is not equal to Ikaland. Most Ika people don't see Igbodo as an Ika community because of their similarities with Aniocha same way Egbudu is an Aniocha town but many people argue they're Ika. If you want to talk about Ika, don't use Igbodo as an example. Ika wasn't conquered as they never supported Biafra.

Lol, so Igbodo is no longer Ika now, because they don't buy into your Igbophobic stance.

For your info, Igbodo was not the only town forced into submission by the FG and they were not the only ones who lost their people in the Bini massacre of Igbos of mostly Anioma origin.
Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by chukzyblingz(m): 11:01am On Aug 05, 2016
pazienza:


Lol, so Igbodo is no longer Ika now, because they don't buy into your Igbophobic stance.

For your info, Igbodo was not the only town forced into submission by the FG and they were not the only ones who lost their people in the Bini massacre of Igbos of mostly Anioma origin.








An average Ika man don't regard Igbodo as full Ika. An average Ika on the street don't care if Igbodo is Igbo or not. The Igbodo that you're talking about were the people that stopped their king from marrying an Igbo woman sometime ago because according to the culture of most Anioma villages, it's a taboo for a crown prince to marry an Igbo woman. I tell you there wouldn't be any issues if the king wanted to marry from another Anioma clan and there wouldn't be any issues if he wanted to marry from some parts of Bini. I'm telling you my Anioma culture and I know you will still argue. Only Igbodo had problems with Nigeria soldiers. Umunede is the military base during the war. The obi of Umunede and that of Owa were treated like heroes during the war. I have some of the pictures till tomorrow. Don't talk what you know nothing about

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Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by pazienza(m): 12:38pm On Aug 05, 2016
chukzyblingz:
An average Ika man don't regard Igbodo as full Ika. An average Ika on the street don't care if Igbodo is Igbo or not. The Igbodo that you're talking about were the people that stopped their king from marrying an Igbo woman sometime ago because according to the culture of most Anioma villages, it's a taboo for a crown prince to marry an Igbo woman. I tell you there wouldn't be any issues if the king wanted to marry from another Anioma clan and there wouldn't be any issues if he wanted to marry from some parts of Bini. I'm telling you my Anioma culture and I know you will still argue. Only Igbodo had problems with Nigeria soldiers. Umunede is the military base during the war. The obi of Umunede and that of Owa were treated like heroes during the war. I have some of the pictures till tomorrow. Don't talk what you know nothing about

Lol! Igbodo monarch must marry from Igbodo, the queen was rejected not because she hailed from Ebonyi, but because she wasn't from Igbodo, stop twisting facts.

What is an average Ika man? Ika is an ever changing concept, there are even some Agbor elements who sees the term "Ika" as an anti Agbor concept.

Nevertheless, Igbodo is as Ika as they come, you a Bini wanna be has no right to tell us who is Ika or who isn't.

When Onitsha was over ran by the Nigerian military, did the Army not camp in Onitsha? Did the Obi of Onitsha have any option but to play to their tunes to save his people? What about when Enugu fell? Did Enugu not serve as Nigerian military base from where they launched attack into Igbo hinterland? Umunede case was not special.
Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by chukzyblingz(m): 12:53pm On Aug 05, 2016
pazienza:


Lol! Igbodo monarch must marry from Igbodo, the queen was rejected not because she hailed from Ebonyi, but because she wasn't from Igbodo, stop twisting facts.

What is an average Ika man? Ika is an ever changing concept, there are even some Agbor elements who sees the term "Ika" as an anti Agbor concept.

Nevertheless, Igbodo is as Ika as they come, you a Bini wanna be has no right to tell us who is Ika or who isn't.

When Onitsha was over ran by the Nigerian military, did the Army not camp in Onitsha? Did the Obi of Onitsha have any option but to play to their tunes to save his people? What about when Enugu fell? Did Enugu not serve as Nigerian military base from where they launched attack into Igbo hinterland? Umunede case was not special.

Ika kings marry from other Ika communities. It's a matter of shared culture. . Don't say what you don't know. Umunede was never overran because it wasn't part of Biafra.

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Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by pazienza(m): 1:06pm On Aug 05, 2016
One of such letters by the Iyase was dated November 20, 2012 and addressed to the State Deputy Governor, Prof. Amos Utuama (SAN). Titled ‘The boycott of the palace of HRM, Obi of Igbodo by all his subjects’ read in part: “I do not intend to bore your Excellency with details of the case in this memo, but the root of the problem is that the Obi of Igbodo wants to marry an Ebonyi State woman, contrary to the custom and tradition of our people.
In other words, the custom is that the first legitimate wife, who will bear the heir to the throne, must be a native of Igbodo kingdom.”
www.vanguardngr.com/2013/01/raging-controversy-over-obi-of-igbodos-marriage-to-non-indigene/


Read the last part of the above article.
Igbodo kings are only allowed to marry from Igbodo and no other place. This is according to Igbodo prime minister, the Iyase.
Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by pazienza(m): 1:10pm On Aug 05, 2016
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Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by pazienza(m): 1:10pm On Aug 05, 2016
chukzyblingz:
Ika kings marry from other Ika communities. It's a matter of shared culture. . Don't say what you don't know. Umunede was never overran because it wasn't part of Biafra.

The Biafran Army with many Anioma persons as soldiers had liberated the mid west from Nigeria on their march to Lagos and given the people a new republic called Republic of Benin with Dr Albert Okonkwo, an Anioma man as the head of the New republic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Benin_(1967)



Yes, Nigerian Army had to reclaim Anioma and over ran the area in the process.

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Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by chukzyblingz(m): 7:03pm On Aug 05, 2016
[quote author=pazienza post=48211891]

The Biafran Army with many Anioma persons as soldiers had liberated the mid west from Nigeria on their march to Lagos and given the people a new republic called Republic of Benin with Dr Albert Okonkwo, an Anioma man as the head of the New republic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Benin_(1967)



Yes, Nigerian Army had to reclaim Anioma and over ran the area in the process.[/lquote] Very funny. The Midwest is not equal to Ika area. This comment is not related to our argument. Or you mean Benin was also liberated and the Oba doesn't have any option than to cooperate with the Nigerian Army?

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Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by pazienza(m): 7:11pm On Aug 05, 2016
[quote author=chukzyblingz post=48221662][/quote]


What was our argument again? Yea right, that Umunede served as military base for the Nigerian Army during the war? I had already tackled that, refer to my previous posts on this thread for that.
Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by chukzyblingz(m): 7:13pm On Aug 05, 2016
pazienza:
One of such letters by the Iyase was dated November 20, 2012 and addressed to the State Deputy Governor, Prof. Amos Utuama (SAN). Titled ‘The boycott of the palace of HRM, Obi of Igbodo by all his subjects’ read in part: “I do not intend to bore your Excellency with details of the case in this memo, but the root of the problem is that the Obi of Igbodo wants to marry an Ebonyi State woman, contrary to the custom and tradition of our people.
In other words, the custom is that the first legitimate wife, who will bear the heir to the throne, must be a native of Igbodo kingdom.”
www.vanguardngr.com/2013/01/raging-controversy-over-obi-of-igbodos-marriage-to-non-indigene/


Read the last part of the above article.
Igbodo kings are only allowed to marry from Igbodo and no other place. This is according to Igbodo prime minister, the Iyase.






I'm an Ika man and I should be the one to tell you about our culture. Don't depend solely on what you read online. Anioma kings can marry from any Anioma kingdom because we see ourselves as one sharing one culture and traditions. That is how it is said in all Anioma communities but many Anioma kings have married from other other clans without any problems. I seen many kingdoms have problems with their kings for trying to marry outside Anioma land. the only place some Anioma king can marry from outside Anioma land is from some families in Benin.

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Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by pazienza(m): 7:20pm On Aug 05, 2016
chukzyblingz:
I'm an Ika man and I should be the one to tell you about our culture. Don't depend solely on what you read online. Anioma kings can marry from any Anioma kingdom because we see ourselves as one sharing one culture and traditions. That is how it is said in all Anioma communities but many Anioma kings have married from other other clans without any problems. I seen many kingdoms have problems with their kings for trying to marry outside Anioma land. the only place some Anioma king can marry from outside Anioma land is from some families in Benin.

I should accept your version of story over those of the prime minister of Igbodo, the Iyase himself? Are you for real?

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Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by laudate: 2:31pm On Aug 06, 2016
pazienza:
How exactly do you know they would not align with Ndiigbo instead? Who made you their spokesperson? The status quo is that they are comfortable in Anambra state, and are assimilating fast and furious into Igbo culture willingly.
By the way, from the beginning of this exchange, never had Saud anything about Igalas outside SE, it's you in your malady that drew the Igalas spread all over middlebelt into this discussion.

They ( Igalas in SE) were part of Bia*** 1.0, nothing suggests that they wouldn't be part of Biafra 2.0, so far, no iota of resentment is coming from them or their rulers.

You are rather the desperate one creating scenarios that do not yet exist.

On Anioma and Igbanke, I can only laugh at you. Oshimili and Aniocha are no go areas, don't let Ikeg48 or any other Oshimili/Aniocha man catch here trying to link them with your dead project.

Igbanke had already rejected Edos and are pushing for re Union with Anioma, they are not bilingual, they speak only their Igboid dialect and they had outrightly refused to assimilate into Edo, that alone should tell you where their allegiance lies,we atleast know that it is not with Edo.

Hehehe.... your response made me realise that you have closed your mind to reality. Instead of asking me who made me a spokesman for the Igala (which I am not, by the way) you should be asking yourself who made you a spokesman for the 2% Igala in Anambra?? shocked And who made you a spokesman for the Idoma?

Oya, provide the names of the communities and people of Igala origin who were part of Biafra in the sixties, and show us in black & white where they stated their allegiance to your current Biafra experiment. You have consistently failed to do this. undecided I am not surprised, since you have a habit of elevating falsehood to a high art, and you have made it a habit to dwell in the realm of pretence and fantasy! shocked

Oh, why are you tearing out your hair over the Igbanke and the Aniocha? shocked All I did was to use the same warped logic you have been fielding as a basis to lump the Igala and Idoma into your so-called Biafra, to classify the Igbanke & their neighbours into one state. Why does that upset you so much?? cheesy After all, what is good for the goose is equally sauce for the gander. So stop trying to attach the Igala by force into your so-called Biafra!

Everyone can see that the desperate, illogical one here is YOU!! angry
Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by SlayerSupreme: 10:26pm On Aug 17, 2016
chukzyblingz:
You should refrain from saying what you know nothing about. Asaba people were massacred because they were apologetic to the Biafran soldiers. They weren't killed because they were Igbo or something like that. The Nigerian soldiers discovered hence the massacre. It has nothing to do with Benin.

But there was no massacre in Agbor. Umunede was the base of the Nigerian Army during the war. There was no any form of massacre in Ika area.
It is on record that there was definitely killings in Ika with the connivance of the aggrieved Benin people against Agbor,even heard accounts from Agbor people themselves,Asaba was just the most severe.
Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by chukzyblingz(m): 8:42am On Aug 19, 2016
SlayerSupreme:

It is on record that there was definitely killings in Ika with the connivance of the aggrieved Benin people against Agbor,even heard accounts from Agbor people themselves,Asaba was just the most severe.
Not in my Agbor. Maybe you misunderstood what they told you. Igbodo and Ekuoma iis not Agbor. They're half Ika, half Enuani because of their location.
Re: Ipob Replies Obong Attah : You Are Clueless,remember Philip Effiong by SlayerSupreme: 4:47pm On Aug 19, 2016
chukzyblingz:
Not in my Agbor. Maybe you misunderstood what they told you. Igbodo and Ekuoma iis not Agbor. They're half Ika, half Enuani because of their location.
Alright. You should refrain from being anti-Igbo. The stance a number of your people have taken as being non-Igbo is perverse and arises from some Igbos among you joining the non-Igbo among you(mostly Urhobo) to reject the Igbo tag. The Urhobo among you are right but the Igbo who join them are.... This will come back to haunt your people. I noticed most of you are merely conditioned to refuse being Igbo and thus cannot prove your people are unique. But no problem,we the ones who are still flying the Igbo flag know what we want and by God's saving grace we'll get it.

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