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|More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 5:12pm On Nov 06, 2016|
Question. Please can you explain why, according to those who have had visions of Hell and Heaven or near death experience, they saw men and women of GOD in Hell because of one sin or the other. On the other hand, some of them told of people were refused entrance to Heaven because of the sin of unforgiveness not minding the fact that they are believers.
Answer. As I’ve said before, people who make these claims are either seriously mistaken or else they are consciously promoting a false doctrine.
The Bible is clear that Jesus died to pay for our sins so we can have eternal life with him (John 3:16 ). All who believe in Him are forgiven for all the sins of their life (Colossians 2:13-15 ) and cannot be sent to Hell for any reason. Our inheritance was made certain when we believed the gospel of our salvation and the Holy Spirit was sealed within us as a deposit guaranteeing it (Ephes. 1:13-14 ). Nothing can change that. Jesus said that no one can take us out of his or His Father’s hands (John 10:27-30 ). And 2 Cor. 1:21 tells us it is God Himself who makes us stand firm in Christ.
For someone to promote the idea that some believers will go to hell means they are asking us to believe these promises are not true, that Jesus did not die for all our sins, that our inheritance is not guaranteed, that someone can take us out of the Lord’s hands, and God cannot make us stand firm in Christ. That means no one can ever be sure of his or her eternal destiny regardless of what the Bible has promised us.
I’ve read some of the books people who make these claims have written, but I have also read the Bible. I choose to believe the Bible. After all these books are the words of fallible man, but the Bible is the Word of an infallible God.
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by Wilgrea7(m): 6:49pm On Nov 06, 2016|
i must say, this Paul Ellis guy interests me
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 7:00pm On Nov 06, 2016|
Wilgrea7:Alright... this is not Paul Ellis... this is Jack Kelley...
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by solite3(m): 7:14pm On Nov 06, 2016|
Yes it is possible for a christian to end up in hell only because he allowed the sacrifice of Jesus to be of no effect in his life.
Remember we stand by faith in christ. through faith christ gives us the power to overcome sin and the devil,he also gave us the knowlege of God and his kingdom so that we can live a new life.
Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
But some christians love the world and her ways too much just as esau sold his birth right because of a porrigde. Christ died to reconcile us to himself but we must to be reconciled to God.
2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 7:41pm On Nov 06, 2016|
solite3:No believer in Christ will end up in hell.... if it is so, then that means that all the promises God made to us are not true. But you know what? God cannot lie.
Believers ending up in hell is a man made idea. All those people that died and woke up and said they saw believers in hell are all liars... most of their visions are not Biblical. So many promises were made by God on how secure we are in our salvation. Believers can experience lapses in their walk with the Lord but they always come back.... e.g THE PARABLE OF THE PRODIGAL SON.
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rms 8:38-9)
When i say Believers in Christ, i don't mean Church Goers that comes to church every Sunday without knowing what it means to have Christ as their Lord and personal saviour. No, am talking of people that trusted in Christ for their Salvation. One thing i know in this life is that i don't judge anyone cos i don't know their belief and their relationship with Christ. Men judge by what they see but God judge by the Heart.
As you can see, i believe in the 100% grace of God... grace and grace alone. You have a different belief, so i think it will be in your own interest not to comment on my threads cos you might find them offensive to your thoughts. And i personally don't like arguing..... So to avoid any clash of opinions, it is better you don't comment cos we can never agree. I respect your opinion, so respect mine too.... Live and lets live, that's my policy. Every mallam with im kettle.
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by solite3(m): 9:25pm On Nov 06, 2016|
jiggaz:no believer in christ will end up in hell if he continue to abide in christ.
Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
God's Judgement is based on work
The reason for grace is to set us free and yield ourselves to God in holiness and righteousness.
I m not a preacher of work but of grace.
We are saved by grace alone but we must continue in that grace else we fall away.
Yes a christian can not end up in hell only when he trust in christ saviour trust include obedience.
If i cannot obey him then i do not trust him it all boils down to the type of faith we posses dead or living faith.yes i learnt faith can die and faith can be alive.
Faith is kept alive by constantly hearing the word of God that is why satan is constantly fighting against the pure word of God.
the power of God to keep you unto the day of salvation is the Gospel.
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|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by TomHagen: 9:31pm On Nov 06, 2016|
License to sin.
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|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by LiberaDeus: 10:59pm On Nov 06, 2016|
Dont you think you are portraying your god as wicked. What can a man do for 80 years of existence that will warrant over a 100 billion years of lynching and torture. Does that sound loving and kind. Or are gods ways too much for me or any man to fathom
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by kachi19: 11:11pm On Nov 06, 2016|
I'm not a good Christian tho but so many times I believe God isn't fair. cos we have so many good people that have died, they strived to stay in the good side of the world tho they don't know God but according to la Bible they'll go to hell. I think that's the essence of dying; for eternal rest. Good people deserve a paradise when they die cos it takes a lot to lead a good life....
And Christians who didn't blot out a sin before dying, likely going to hell? maybe, maybe not! No one can tell. A Child of God who has been a devoted Christian, one day had a hot fight with wife and she accidentally killed him? well, Ahdunno wat he's gonna tell God this is how he died oh... God should pls adjust his terms and conditions for heaven common entrance oh even if Na gate man I will do
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by LiberaDeus: 11:32pm On Nov 06, 2016|
Have you ever considered that some of this contradictions might be a sign of something bigger like "the whole story doesnt make sense and god has nothing to do with it".
In life you cant have a square circle and you cant have a cold cup of boiling water. This applies to religion also, how can god be all loving and still allow this injustice. The doctrine of eternal torment was created by medieval catholic clergy to whip dissenters back in line and it has worked wonders. If that doctrine is false and it somehow is in the bible then think of all the things that could be forged.
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by Wilgrea7(m): 12:33am On Nov 07, 2016|
bro u crack me up.. don't worry... all will be well... if it makes u feel better, the muslims that blow themselves up think they're going to heaven and you're going to hell... also, the Jews think that you are wrong.. and on top of that, there are other doctrines such an annihilation, universal repentance, etc which all claim to have biblical backing... and the Buddhist, hinduists, eckankar etc believe that you'll reincarnate after you die to finish your spiritual journey...
my point is
no matter who quotes bible verses supporting where u burn forever or where you reincarnate or where you are destroyed (annihilation)... they only believe... no one knows... they just believe... we'll all find out when we all die... so don't worry yourself about who is where... just remember...
the almighty God is just and he is not a sadist. don't let anyone scare you with what they believe and not know... we will find out when we cross over... just remember to portray love.. God bless you
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 2:10am On Nov 07, 2016|
kachi19:My broda relax yourself. Anyone that places their trust only in Jesus Christ for their salvation is saved 100% and will go to heaven when they die. Salvation is the work of God and its a gift to us, all you have to do is believe, place your trust in Christ and allow the Holy Spirit to do His work in you. It is by grace you were saved through faith in Christ Jesus and not of yourself lest anyone boasts.
About good people not making heaven, my brother you reason like a man and i don't blame you. Before God, nobody is good. That was why He sent Jesus to die for our sins. It is our belief in Christ that justifies us before a Holy God, not the works we do. Cos He said our righteousness is like a filthy rag before Him. So when you place your trust in Christ Jesus, God imputes you with His righteousness and that is what Justifies us.
Those people that died, you don't know their belief and besides, Christ still visits people in coma for a chance to accpet him. God is just and not a sadist like religious people have painted him. I used to think like you before, but since i discovered the gospel of grace which is the real gospel of Christ, my mentality changed!! So many people will make heaven, those you don't even expect to see. Don't let man made religion discourage you from serving God. What matters is your relationship with Christ not how religious you are. Religious people are like the Pharisees, they claim to be holy outside but their inside is filled with filth!!
I am not religious, i don't care for man made religion and their rules. All i care about is Jesus Christ and His Finished Work on the Cross!! Click on my profile and read the Christian articles i posted, you will love it. The Holy Spirit will liberate you from man made doctrines & condemnation!!
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 2:18am On Nov 07, 2016|
TomHagen:Does anyone need license to sin before? That's how humans think but not God. Preaching about law, sin & hell fire doesn't produce holiness in people, rather it produces pseudo-holiness..... Christians only become Holy and Good in church and before their brethren but when outside the church, they commit the worst atrocities. That's not the type of holiness God wants.
But the Gospel of Grace will set you free from condemnation and you will end up living a holy life accidentally. This is because, when you hear about the goodness of God and His amazing love for you through Christ Jesus, you will not want to hurt the One that loves you sooo much.... Grace is the power of the Gospel!! Not Law or Mixture ( i. e Law + Grace ).
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by Slikbae: 6:15am On Nov 07, 2016|
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by Slikbae: 6:19am On Nov 07, 2016|
Per the bolded, pls endeavor to say only what you know. It is clearly stated in the bible that all those who didn't hear about Christ before their death will be judged by their conscience. Nobody went to hell before the coming of Christ. Jesus Christ came to set the captives free from where they were being held after their deaths.
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|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by Slikbae: 6:30am On Nov 07, 2016|
You are still propagating this false doctrine. Instead of following what these men say why do do a thorough study of the bible. Jesus Christ stated clearly that not all who call him Lord Lord or work miracles will enter into his Kingdom. He clearly stated that fornicators, adulterers, thieves, etc will not enter heaven.
So who are you to say otherwise? Most of those NDEs you read of are in line with the gospel of Christ. They are always centered on genuine repentance and living in holiness and righteousness in Christ Jesus. You only debunk them because they're not compatible with the "once saved always saved" doctrine as orchestrated by Joseph prince and the likes.
If the owner of a house tells you he will not let you into his house until you meet a certain criteria and his neighbour tells you his master will let you in, who would you believe? The owner of the house or the neighbor?
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|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 6:41am On Nov 07, 2016|
Slikbae:Mr or Miss Hell Fire, you are soo ignorant!! You are calling the Gospel of Christ a false doctrine? I can't engage you cos am above your reasoning.
Read my lips, all those people that died and woke up and claim to see believers and pastors in hell are all Liars!!!! There is no believer in Christ in Hell....
I don't engage Hypocritical / Judgemental Christians like you, i am above your league, so go find your kind.
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by LiberaDeus: 6:55am On Nov 07, 2016|
Please take it easy with her.
But don't you think that your god can save all this confusion once and for all by using his might and power to communicate one doctrine to all humans that can't be falsified.
This doctrinal disputes caused the inquisition of the middle ages, caused the French religious wars and has caused so much bloodshed throughout history and people have died in this so called wrong doctrines. There are at least 10000 Christian denominations in the world. Why won't your god just end this confusion once and for all.
Why does his truth always have to emanate from the mind of a so called prophet spouting a revelation that cannot be confirmed independently but only by faith, this is the foundational problems in most religions and the cause of disputes even in Islam, Buddhism, hinduism.
Now see you and your fellow Christian sister, you guys can never agree on the doctrine of hell cause you are interpreting the scriptures one way while she does the other way, no way to confirm. Shouldn't there be an objective standard of testing and verifiability among the brethren.
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|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 9:02am On Nov 07, 2016|
LiberaDeus:My problem with her type is that they always condemn Believers & Unbelievers alike to Hell Fire.. They keep this holier than thou attitude and feel that they are better than everybody and look down on fellow believers who doesn't follow their doctrine. I hate hypocrisy!! Cos they are not better than other people!! If not for Christ Jesus, nobody is good before God ... Are they God to determine the eternal destiny of people? Instead of her to preach the Gospel Of Christ which is all about Love & The forgiveness of sins, she keeps preaching condemnation and condemning people to Hell. That is not the Gospel. God is love not a sadist.…
Yes, Hell exist but it is not part of the Gospel. Tell people about God's love and the total forgiveness of sins... It is the goodness of God that brings repentance in men. Not by preaching condemnation and condemning them to Hell.... Yes we need to tell them that those that reject Christ have chosen eternal separation from Him, which is Hell. But its not good to condemn people to Hell.....
Just preach the good news and let the Holy Spirit do His work of convicting the unbeliever. We cannot do the work of the Holy Spirit.... Jesus is Lord.
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by Slikbae: 9:20am On Nov 07, 2016|
You are so predictable. I was just waiting for you to say the bolded. Since when is saying the truth hypocrisy or being judgmental? Are you calling Christ a hypocrite? Because Christ is the one who said sinners shall go to hell. Your comment is inconsequential. Only the truth stands and Jesus is the truth. I don't entertain false preachers.
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|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 7:22am On Nov 20, 2016|
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by honourhim: 7:48am On Nov 20, 2016|
I can see you are scared of the truth that guy has said. You just want to keep consoling yourself by misinterpretating the scriptures. It's not the best oga. Learn to embrace the truth no matter how bitter it is.
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|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 8:25am On Nov 20, 2016|
honourhim:Scared of which truth? The person that needs to be scared of Hell is the person that doesn't have Christ. Christ is my Lord and my Saviour, and He is the one keeping me, so why should i be scared of Hell again?
The Salvation of my spirit does not depend on what i do or did not do ( it is the gift of God ), so why should the Salvation of my body now depend on my works? Let me advice you, stop practicing Religion, Religion is not Christianity. It is man made. Follow Christ Jesus, He is the ultimate... our Salvation, not Religion or What some pastors tell you.
I have dumped man made religion since last year when i discovered the truth of God's Grace and the gift of Righteousness. I only focus on our Lord Jesus and His Finished Work on the Cross. It might still be hard for you to grasp because you are still shackled with Religion, just pray that the Holy Spirit should open your eyes to this GREAT TRUTH.
So many Christians are in bondage slaving in Religion and dead works thinking they are scoring merits with God. That's why they hardly make it in life. It's only the truth of God's super abundance of Grace that will set you free. Dead works is a waste, but working by allowing the Holy Spirit work through you is a gain.
Most Christians today doesn't value the Cross, they are all about what they can do to keep their salvation. You can't keep your salvation, it is God that called you and He is still the one to keep you. Focus on the Cross and what Jesus did there. Put your total trust in Him and it shall be well with you. Please stop trusting on your works, you are not a Co-Saviour with Christ and can never be. Christ is all in all. In heaven, no believer will boast of making heaven with their works albeit small, we all will still cast our Crowns on Jesus' feet cos only He is our Redeemer and all glory belong to Him and Him alone.
Lastly, there is no Believer in Christ in Hell, all the people that said so are lying cos it contradicts God's promises to Believers. I chose to believe the word of God instead of the words of fallible Men. Heaven is a free gift from God not a Reward. Yes,there are rewards in Heaven and positions in the kingdom cos everyone won't be the same level. But all Believers have Eternal Life as a gift.
If you doubt your Eternal Life, am sorry but i am very sure of my possession of Eternal Life because i chose to believe God's word and not fallible men. Religion is bad for you, Please Trust our Lord Jesus and Him only.
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 7:36pm On Nov 20, 2016|
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|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by Omudia11: 7:30pm On Dec 22, 2016|
1 Corinthians 6: 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators , nor idolaters , nor adulterers , nor homosexuals , nor sodomites ,
10 nor thieves , nor covetous , nor drunkards , nor revilers , nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 7:32pm On Dec 22, 2016|
Omudia11:Please i don't need your opinion, just get out.
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by Omudia11: 7:43pm On Dec 22, 2016|
Look at your life. Someone who is preaching the gospel. It is not my opinion. I quoted the Bible.
James 1:26 “ If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless.”
|Re: More On Believers In Hell - Jack Kelley by jiggaz(m): 8:53pm On Dec 22, 2016|
Omudia11:Who be this one again? And who is religious? Am not religious, am a believer in Christ, i don't do man made religion.
It's like you didn't get my memo... Look i don't practice your kind of Christianity that portrays God as a wicked Creator. I believe in 100% Grace of God .... For me it is Christ through & through .... not Christ plus your filthy works.
I told you off before and i will repeat it again, Get out!! Keep your opinion to yourself. Look for your kind ( Hell fire Pharisee Christians ) and give them your opinion. Be warned!!
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