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Obi1kenobi:
Of course Igbos should stick with PDP. We have no choice at this point. The time they could have made serious inroads in APC was in 2015, trying to get in Buhari's good graces, but we've burnt our bridges completely with the APC hierarchy, and there's no chance than Tinubu's political machinery would surrender all they've labored for to Igbos. And rightly so.


I would keep saying it that the bitterness and hatred Igbos harboured for and directed at Buhari since the 2015 elections went too far and was disproportionate to whatever perceived wrongs they thought he ever did to them. Not even Niger Delta people whose son lost the election went as mad as Ndigbo did after that election - culminating in the Kanu-led IPOB tantrums. They have directed a lot of hatred at Buhari and at this point, the guy has probably just said "screw it.....I'm sick of these people". I genuinely believe Buhari would have been prepared to hand over to an Igbo man for justice and equity had we supported or at least respected his mandate, but there is no way in hell he'll ever do that now.

Please do you mind explaining how Ndiigbo showed bitterness and hate for Buhari, post 2015 elections?

Obi1kenobi:
Of course Igbos should stick with PDP. We have no choice at this point. The time they could have made serious inroads in APC was in 2015, trying to get in Buhari's good graces, but we've burnt our bridges completely with the APC hierarchy, and there's no chance than Tinubu's political machinery would surrender all they've labored for to Igbos. And rightly so.

I would keep saying it that the bitterness and hatred Igbos harboured for and directed at Buhari since the 2015 elections went too far and was disproportionate to whatever perceived wrongs they thought he ever did to them. Not even Niger Delta people whose son lost the election went as mad as Ndigbo did after that election - culminating in the Kanu-led IPOB tantrums. They have directed a lot of hatred at Buhari and at this point, the guy has probably just said "screw it.....I'm sick of these people". I genuinely believe Buhari would have been prepared to hand over to an Igbo man for justice and equity had we supported or at least respected his mandate, but there is no way in hell he'll ever do that now.

Yes, Buhari was consensually rejected by the South East voters because of the option they had in Jonathan I dont see how that amount to hatred. Meanwhile, he is being attacked by the Igbos for leaving them out in many major appointments,especially the security apparatus, and,rightly so. He is definitely paying Igbos back for not supporting him , instead of trying to build bridges by favoring Igbos and prove to them he has no issues with them.

Bede2u:
Nnamdi kanu is back? www.nairaland.com/attachments/7984788_4199046023308356002794861848925911315906560n1_jpg2aca775d761bae9c363c5ba1aa71244d

Anybody that sees that bastard Nnamdi kanu around anambra state should just kill him and throw away.


If he thinkss he will come and cause confusion, he will get it hot....animal.

Funnicator:
What do you guys think?
I think it's best SE sticks with PDP on national level.
If it is Buhari who wins re-election in 2019, when power comes back to South in 2023 I bet Tinubu will have the complete structure to win the ticket and pick El Rufai to complement the Northern vice.

And on the other hand, PDP will have a meeting after the failure and zone 2023 presidency to the SE. 2023 presidency on PDP platform can't be zoned to north again because in the country they will have completed the northern 8 tenure. It can't return to SS or SW because they've had their turn at presidency on PDP.

It can't be north central cause core north just finished the turn for entire north.

So let's stick with PDP. They lose, we get 2023 slot.

And in the case PDP wins in 2023.

We must demand the position of transport minister via osita chidoka as well as minister for interior to counter every fulani land grabbing encroachment in SE.

The minister for transport under chidoka is essential to fully reconstruct ALL federal roads in dilapidated condition in the SE, link all SE cities via rail tracks and put AIIA on world map over port Harcourt nonsense.

Minister for transport with strong igbo passion is what we need most from incoming PDP government. Because that is the sole ministry in charge of infrastructure.

Cc;pazienza

U. Are now naming someone from anambra.

Pls give us someone from ebonyi...

We are tired of this hate all around

Obi1kenobi:
Of course Igbos should stick with PDP. We have no choice at this point. The time they could have made serious inroads in APC was in 2015, trying to get in Buhari's good graces, but we've burnt our bridges completely with the APC hierarchy, and there's no chance than Tinubu's political machinery would surrender all they've labored for to Igbos. And rightly so.

I would keep saying it that the bitterness and hatred Igbos harboured for and directed at Buhari since the 2015 elections went too far and was disproportionate to whatever perceived wrongs they thought he ever did to them. Not even Niger Delta people whose son lost the election went as mad as Ndigbo did after that election - culminating in the Kanu-led IPOB tantrums. They have directed a lot of hatred at Buhari and at this point, the guy has probably just said "screw it.....I'm sick of these people". I genuinely believe Buhari would have been prepared to hand over to an Igbo man for justice and equity had we supported or at least respected his mandate, but there is no way in hell he'll ever do that now.

How do you genuinely expect Igbo people to love Apeeshit when they (Apeeshit) made the entire 2015 elections about Igbo people. They had their campaigners literally preaching and advocating for genocide on Igbo people. How the fvck you do you think a people that have actually survived genocide will not be sensitive about idiats jumping over themselves prescribing and justifying mass murder on Igbo people for not supporting their ambitions?

Even after the freaking elections, their political appointees like Perpetua Onochie was talking (an actual public servant) was writing about how Igbo means Slave. Since then their supporters and members have outdone themselves to insult Igbo people.

Sorry, you don’t get to blame the customers (Igbos) for not buying a product, you blame the business (Apeeshit) for failing to market and target properly but they have a palpable hatred for us. Even Igbo Apeeshit members join in demeaning and insulting Igbos just to fit in to the literal party line.

The only parallel I can think about is the Republican Party that has gone out of its way to alienate African-Americans just to shore up white support (the so called Southern Strategy). Ironically, just like Apeeshit they then turn back and blame blacks for being wedded to the Democrats.

So while the Republican exploit endemic racism in certain parts of the American heartland to stay in power, Apeeshit has resolved to exploit endemic Igbophobia to retain power. They then turn back and disingenuously blame Igbos for irrationally hating Buhari and his cohorts.

Pleeeeez!

pazienza:
Please do you mind explaining how Ndiigbo showed bitterness and hate for Buhari, post 2015 elections?

Anecdotal observations. Interacting with Igbos. Following chatter on Igbo cyberspace, whether on forums like Nairaland or social media like Facebook. Right from the election campaign stage, Igbos set themselves up as the opposition to Buhari. If you developed a search algorithm and picked a random 10 people who insulted Buhari with every degrading tag, Igbos would absolutely dominate overwhelmingly. I'm surprised you find this disputable. We never hid our utter disdain for Buhari. But this is all anecdotal of course. The most empirical evidence was in voting patterns where Buhari lost in a total landslide in the SE - by far his biggest defeat in any region.

Then there was Nnamdi Kanu, IPOB and their rhetoric. And those guys were hardly an insignificant minority. The constant insults Buhari received online in that period was unprecedented.

Mayor06:
Ebonyi man is deemed to be a regional man but the problem with most of it is that Anambra always wants to stand out to claim that it's more Igbo than any other part of Igboland, he claims to be at the top, that no one is more superior than he is and that can say is a blatant lie, having come from Ebonyi I believe that Ebonyi man is a regional man by nature but he still not given chance to prove it . We don't envy Anambra people but we hate their stupid primitive superiority that is ignorantly running in their ugly genetic vein (haha).

That is why I like it here in Australia no one is belittled or degraded, everyone is equal. Chairman of Ohaneze Ndi Igbo here in the state where I live is an Igbo man from Ebonyi, he never set aside of his state people the entire Igboland. So, Anambra and his co oppressor should accommodate everyone peacefully.

Oga face ur Australia abeg.

Ebonyi is not an igbo state.

It was just added to make up SE not that they are igbos.

Juliusmalema:
U. Are now naming someone from anambra.

Pls give us someone from ebonyi...

We are tired of this hate all around

Why are you crying already.
Chidoka will reverse the nonsense the Ikwerre man Amaechi did this past four years, and finish the work Stella Oduah started at AIIA .
As you can see, when it comes to pan Igbo interests, Ndiigbo look beyond state boundaries.

Any body promoting Ph airport over Enugu, is obviously an enemy of pan Igbo interests, and can't be Igbo.

Juliusmalema:
U. Are now naming someone from anambra.

Pls give us someone from ebonyi...

We are tired of this hate all around

It is based on capacity and not sentiments

Igbo nation will only prosper on the stool of merit and not sentiments

If you don't have better name on merit; shut your trap. I don't care where the merit individual is from; abia or Ebonyi.

Your sentimental tribalism works only in Nigeria and not Igbo land. Here it is merit.

Juliusmalema:
Oga face ur Australia abeg.

Ebonyi is not an igbo state.

It was just added to make up SE not that they are igbos.

Ignore this dude. He is here to steer dust.

Funnicator:
It is based on capacity and not sentiments

Igbo nation will only prosper on the stool of merit and not sentiments

If you don't have better name on merit; shut your trap. I don't care where the merit individual is from; abia or Ebonyi.

Your sentimental tribalism works only in Nigeria and not Igbo land. Here it is merit.

It was same u that was saying umahi was right by rejecting obi

pazienza:
Why are you crying already.
Chidoka will reverse the nonsense the Ikwerre man Amaechi did this past four years, and finish the work Stella Oduah started at AIIA .
As you can see, when it comes to pan Igbo interests, Ndiigbo look beyond state boundaries.

Any body promoting Ph airport over Enugu, is obviously an enemy of pan Igbo interests, and can't be Igbo.

I have no interest in enugu issue

Xander85 and cjrane2 should leave this thread and go and create a thread of their own state and ethnicity.

OMANBALA1:
Yes, Buhari was consensually rejected by the South East voters because of the option they had in Jonathan I dont see how that amount to hatred. Meanwhile, he is being attacked by the Igbos for leaving them out in many major appointments,especially the security apparatus, and,rightly so. He is definitely paying Igbos back for not supporting him , instead of trying to build bridges by favoring Igbos and prove to them he has no issues with them.

Nah.....like I said before, right from the campaign stage of the elections, Ndigbo set themselves up as the most vocal opposition to Buhari and his Fulani mandate. And not in a respectful way (trust o ndi b'anyi - we're not renowned for our respect for elders ). Before Buhari had even done anything, they were portraying him as a Fulani bigot. I remember Buhari was barely a few weeks in office when he first commented on Nnamdi Kanu, IPOB and their divisive rhetoric. He wasn't ignorant of the Igbo opposition to him.

Yes, Buhari has not favored us. And that is logical. As they say in American politics, "elections have consequences". Buhari could barely break 3% of votes in places like Anambra. It would be madness for him not to favor the coalition that put him in power. Assuming an Igbo man wins the Presidency tomorrow and he was voted in by the SS, SE and maybe the Middle Belt, I'd expect him to favor those loyal constituencies and not those who demonstrated their total rejection of him.

Funnicator:
Ignore this dude. He is here to steer dust.

The very day ohanaeze will do the right thing by submitting a formal report seeking the re organising of igbo states and putting ebonyi in its right place will things begin to work in igboland.

Curlieweed:
How do you genuinely expect Igbo people to love Apeeshit when they (Apeeshit) made the entire 2015 elections about Igbo people. They had their campaigners literally preaching and advocating for genocide on Igbo people. How the fvck you do you think a people that have actually survived genocide will not be sensitive about idiats jumping over themselves prescribing and justifying mass murder on Igbo people for not supporting their ambitions?

Even after the freaking elections, their political appointees like Perpetua Onochie was talking (an actual public servant) was writing about how Igbo means Slave. Since then their supporters and members have outdone themselves to insult Igbo people.

Sorry, you don’t get to blame the customers (Igbos) for not buying a product, you blame the business (Apeeshit) for failing to market and target properly but they have a palpable hatred for us. Even Igbo Apeeshit members join in demeaning and insulting Igbos just to fit in to the literal party line.

The only parallel I can think about is the Republican Party that has gone out of its way to alienate African-Americans just to shore up white support (the so called Southern Strategy). Ironically, just like Apeeshit they then turn back and blame blacks for being wedded to the Democrats.

So while the Republican exploit endemic racism in certain parts of the American heartland to stay in power, Apeeshit has resolved to exploit endemic Igbophobia to retain power. They then turn back and disingenuously blame Igbos for irrationally hating Buhari and his cohorts.

Pleeeeez!

Sorry, but the emboldened simply never happened. And nobody made any elections about Igbos.

Obi1kenobi:
Anecdotal observations. Interacting with Igbos. Following chatter on Igbo cyberspace, whether on forums like Nairaland or social media like Facebook. Right from the election campaign stage, Igbos set themselves up as the opposition to Buhari. If you developed a search algorithm and picked a random 10 people who insulted Buhari with every degrading tag, Igbos would absolutely dominate overwhelmingly. I'm surprised you find this disputable. We never hid our utter disdain for Buhari. But this is all anecdotal of course. The most empirical evidence was in voting patterns where Buhari lost in a total landslide in the SE - by far his biggest defeat in any region.

Then there was Nnamdi Kanu, IPOB and their rhetoric. And those guys were hardly an insignificant minority. The constant insults Buhari received online in that period was unprecedented.

Ndiigbo always voted in block. Buhari was simply not our choice.

Ndiigbo were always PDP voters, Buhari and APC were the ruling party, so we played the opposition politics. How does that translate to hate? Were we supposed to be saying good things about the ruling party?
Especially when Buhari rushed and made the 5% comment, and then went on to marginalize the region in most of his appointments.

Juliusmalema:
I have no interest in enugu issue

Xander85 and cjrane2 should leave this thread and go and create a thread of their own state and ethnicity.

They are more than well welcomed by fellow Igbos here.
They are bona-fide Igbos.

Juliusmalema:
I have no interest in enugu issue

Xander85 and cjrane2 should leave this thread and go and create a thread of their own state and ethnicity.

You should also go and create a thread for your own state because, you are not from Anambra neither are you an Igbo person. I always sense frustration in your posts every time, you better visit the hospital near you for medical counseling.

“I have served as governor, so people know a bit of my record. I am here to say to you (Ugwuanyi), I remain one of you. Everybody knows that I believe in Enugu. I believe this is our capital and it remains so".

Peter Obi during his visit to Ugwuanyi.


Every well breastfed Igbo man knows that Enugu is strategic to our Pan Igbo goals.

Good one, Okwute Igbo nine. Nna yi mulu yi ofuma.

Even Authur Eze has residential place in Enugu.

https://www.nairaland.com/4798322/arthur-eze-hosts-peter-obi

Most important Igbo dignitaries have permanent residence in Enugu.

Obi1kenobi:
Anecdotal observations. Interacting with Igbos. Following chatter on Igbo cyberspace, whether on forums like Nairaland or social media like Facebook. Right from the election campaign stage, Igbos set themselves up as the opposition to Buhari. If you developed a search algorithm and picked a random 10 people who insulted Buhari with every degrading tag, Igbos would absolutely dominate overwhelmingly. I'm surprised you find this disputable. We never hid our utter disdain for Buhari. But this is all anecdotal of course. The most empirical evidence was in voting patterns where Buhari lost in a total landslide in the SE - by far his biggest defeat in any region.

Then there was Nnamdi Kanu, IPOB and their rhetoric. And those guys were hardly an insignificant minority. The constant insults Buhari received online in that period was unprecedented.

Unless you were 5 years old in 2011 (very likely), you should understand where the negative sensitivities towards Mumuharri comes from.

The guy lost an election in 2011 and his supporters (probably out of intense love for other Nigerian) unleashed an orgy of mass killings against non Muslims and Non Northerners including notably a number of youth corps members.

At the beginning of the violence, GEJ made an appeal to Mumuharri to use his not inconsiderable influence to appeal for calm but our so called statesman (who was no doubt actually enjoying the violence) only insisted on his phantom mandate.

How do expect an reasonable Igbo person bearing in mind that our people have been at the receiving end (countless times) of this kind of senseless violence.

That is why the imbec1le is called those names (which I think are actually appropriate given his crimes).

pazienza:
Ndiigbo always voted in block. Buhari was simply not our choice.

Ndiigbo were always PDP voters, Buhari and APC were the ruling party, so we played the opposition politics. How does that translate to hate? Were we supposed to be saying good things about the ruling party?
Especially when Buhari rushed and made the 5% comment, and then went on to marginalize the region in most of his appointments.

That is not what I'm talking about at all. Politics should be principled and I don't mind Ndigbo sticking to theirs. My problem was not how they voted or who they support, but the bitter, divisive rhetoric coming from many quarters. It needlessly alienated us from other groups. Like I said, my assertions cannot be empirically proven because I wasn't conducting any wide-ranging surveys, but I'm stating my observations of how we reacted to Buhari. And this predates Buhari's actual election, starting from the campaign, long before the infamous "5%" comment. Buhari is an incompetent leaders, but in temperament, he's fairly measured and soft-spoken. I'm sure he had observed the massive, overwhelming Igbo opposition to him which might be why he had his unguarded moment talking about the "5%".

Curlieweed:
Unless you were 5 years old in 2011 (very likely), you should understand where the negative sensitivities towards Mumuharri comes from.

The guy lost an election in 2011 and his supporters (probably out of intense love for other Nigerian) unleashed an orgy of mass killings against non Muslims and Non Northerners including notably a number of youth corps members.

At the beginning of the violence, GEJ made an appeal to Mumuharri to use his not inconsiderable influence to appeal for calm but our so called statesman (who was no doubt actually enjoying the violence) only insisted on his phantom mandate.

How do expect an reasonable Igbo person bearing in mind that our people have been at the receiving end (countless times) of this kind of senseless violence.

That is why the imbec1le is called those names (which I think are actually appropriate given his crimes).

Let's keep it civil. I don't care to trade insults with anyone this fine day. None of what happened in 2011 is relevant to the 2015 election. Nigerian politicians rarely have the good grace to concede their defeat (GEJ being an admirable exception). That doesn't mean Buhari told anybody to go and slaughter people in the streets. Post-election and general political violence is unfortunately a way of life in the North. I don't see the relevance of that to Buhari.

Obi1kenobi:
That is not what I'm talking about at all. Politics should be principled and I don't mind Ndigbo sticking to theirs. My problem was not how they voted or who they support, but the bitter, divisive rhetoric coming from many quarters. It needlessly alienated us from other groups. Like I said, my assertions cannot be empirically proven because I wasn't conducting any wide-ranging surveys, but I'm stating my observations of how we reacted to Buhari. And this predates Buhari's actual election, starting from the campaign, long before the infamous "5%" comment. Buhari is an incompetent leaders, but in temperament, he's fairly measured and soft-spoken. I'm sure he had observed the massive, overwhelming Igbo opposition to him which might be why he had his unguarded moment talking about the "5%".

I think you are reading much into Nigerians projection of Igbo actions.
FFK was the mouthpiece of PDP opposition against Buhari, but no one cares about things he said, but we know if he were Igbo, everyone would care.
Ndiigbo didn't say about Buhari, half of what Yorubas said about GEJ online, from drunk fisherman, to dullardeen, to dullard, to Brainless Buffon, the list is endless.
GEJ was the most insulted president in Nigerian history, thanks to Yoruba media war against him. Yet nobody counted it unto Yorubas as hatred for GEJ. We moved on.

Obi1kenobi:
Let's keep it civil. I don't care to trade insults with anyone this fine day. None of what happened in 2011 is relevant to the 2015 election. Nigerian politicians rarely have the good grace to concede their defeat (GEJ being an admirable exception). That doesn't mean Buhari told anybody to go and slaughter people in the streets. Post-election and general political violence is unfortunately a way of life in the North. I don't see the relevance of that to Buhari.

So a politician’s antecedents do not matter? I didn’t say he told anybody to kill people. At least I don’t have any evidence for that. However, his refusal to calm his supporters indicates his tacit approval for their actions.

Obi1kenobi:
Sorry, but the emboldened simply never happened. And nobody made any elections about Igbos.

Anecdotal evidence for the highlighted is a lot stronger than your evidence for Igbo “hatred and bitterness”. Lauretta Onochie is still an appointee of the Apeeshit government.

pazienza:
The tail will not wag the dog. Enugu is the capital of the Eastern region, not Ph.

Since Ph Now have a good international airport, we wish them well. But we will still not have their own airport serve as our own. Enugu AIIA must stand.

I'm happy, Peter Obi, Okwute Igbo nine has reaffirmed this.
Now we are all pulling in one direction. No more unnecessary distractions.

pazienza:
I think you are reading much into Nigerians projection of Igbo actions.
FFK was the mouthpiece of PDP opposition against Buhari, but no one cares about things he said, but we know if he were Igbo, everyone would care.
Ndiigbo didn't say about Buhari, half of what Yorubas said about GEJ online, from drunk fisherman, to dullardeen, to dullard, to Brainless Buffon, the list is endless.
GEJ was the most insulted president in Nigerian history, thanks to Yoruba media war against him. Yet nobody counted it unto Yorubas as hatred for GEJ. We moved on.

Forget all these sentiments bourne out of deceit, Buhari is winning 2019 and it is still very wise for Igbos to join the winning team as it was in the past before we were relegated by Jonathan.

Buhari knows Igbos don't hate him but rather Igbos were used as scapegoat by Jonathan just like Atiku is attempting but won't work. Imo State will give Buhari over a million votes to cancel out whatever plans Atiku has with others as they will be fully scrutinized. Some Igbo Governors that intend to contest 2023 elections will do all within their powers to destroy Atiku chances in their States.

Abagworo:
Forget all these sentiments bourne out of deceit, Buhari is winning 2019 and it is still very wise for Igbos to join the winning team as it was in the past before we were relegated by Jonathan.

Buhari knows Igbos don't hate him but rather Igbos were used as scapegoat by Jonathan just like Atiku is attempting but won't work. Imo State will give Buhari over a million votes to cancel out whatever plans Atiku has with others as they will be fully scrutinized. Some Igbo Governors that intend to contest 2023 elections will do all within their powers to destroy Atiku chances in their States.

You and I know there is no hope for Ndiigbo In APC in 2023.
Okorocha led Igbo APC faction are weak and powerless.
Tinubu have APC machinery in his full control. Saraki knows it would be impossible to outwit Tinubu again for the Senate presidency under APC, like he did in 2015, which was why he decamped to PDP. Tinubu has grown in APC, if as powerful and wizardry as Saraki is, he didn't fancy his chances against well prepared Tinubu in 2019, how much more less cerebral Okorocha and Okorocha.

My brother forget talk. APC is a dead end for Ndiigbo in 2023. We are stuck with PDP, and have to make it work.

Abagworo:
Forget all these sentiments bourne out of deceit, Buhari is winning 2019 and it is still very wise for Igbos to join the winning team as it was in the past before we were relegated by Jonathan.

Buhari knows Igbos don't hate him but rather Igbos were used as scapegoat by Jonathan just like Atiku is attempting but won't work. Imo State will give Buhari over a million votes to cancel out whatever plans Atiku has with others as they will be fully scrutinized. Some Igbo Governors that intend to contest 2023 elections will do all within their powers to destroy Atiku chances in their States.

Taa!

So Igbos shouldn’t vote their conscience? They should vote just Mumuharri because he’s going to win? Which begs the question. Why should we bother voting for him even as he is clearly eminently unsuitable for the position he occupies but he’s going to win anyway?

pazienza:
Are you sure?

anyway. Let watch and see this story unfold.let see how it will go and in whose favour

Xander85:
If he's alive and in Isreal, then both the federal and Isreali gov'ts must have known about it! Have you stopped to ask how he managed to enter Isreal since the Buhari gov't seized his passport? You think MOSSAD wouldn't have known when he arrived Isreal?

thank you. His passport was seized