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| Re: . by NaijirianKing: 7:06pm On Jan 23, 2020*. Modified: 10:07pm On Jan 27, 2022 |
Interesting. |
| Re: . by okpalaAnambra: 7:34pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
hammerF:See this Afonja..no one should even engage you here..is not worth it..here is not for you |
| Re: . by okpalaAnambra: 7:34pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
hammerF: |
| Re: . by okpalaAnambra: 7:35pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
hammerF:You're a mole here pretending to like igbos, you're using the misdeeds of ipob to mock Igbos.. please buy some sense |
| Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 8:10pm On Jan 23, 2020 |
NaijirianKing:Something sensible. Finally. You don't win hearts and minds by force. You don't coerce people into becoming soldiers. You inspire them. NaijirianKing:I'd hazard to say that you are slightly missing the mark on this "code" aspect. You seem to be basing it off of the limited idea of "think groups" or "think tanks" composed of "proudly Igbo members". In reality, "think tanks" do not actually achieve much of anything. There are so many Igbo think tanks that have popped into existence and shortly after ended up defunct. There is a reason for it. All think tanks are funded in one way or another by people of affluence. Your predecessor think tanks likely has no such funding. Perhaps they presumed that "goodwill towards and for Igbo" would be sufficient. That is a miscalculation. So it might be of more benefit to you if you instead focused on a code that is centered on controlling affluence. A na-enwe obodo enwe. Affluence is what your target should be. The code then would be along the lines of ensuring that it's members are aware of mutually assured destruction if they fail to maintain the edicts of the organization that you want to create. To that end, the organization can neither be a public one or an NGO. Direct access to membership would be limited and controlled by invite-only protocols. The organization itself is barely spoken of and the composition of it's membership is effectively unknown to non-members. You essentially need a modern day Okonko. Affluence controls the world. You can then discreetly create the context that essentially has the public inherently playing the roles you want and furthering the agenda you set forth. This is my own personal opinion of course, but I doubt an open, public, "proudly Igbo for the sake of being Igbo" approach (even if it is a public and international movement/ideal) would be more effective than what I've just described. |
| Re: . by NaijirianKing: 8:39pm On Jan 23, 2020*. Modified: 10:07pm On Jan 27, 2022 |
Interesting. |
| Re: . by Nobody: 2:09am On Jan 24, 2020 |
NaijirianKing:Good idea! |
| Re: . by ChinenyeN(m): 2:35am On Jan 24, 2020 |
NaijirianKing, after having read your reply, I feel at odds with your statement. It seems you are both speaking of a top-down and bottom-up approach simultaneously. If we like, we can call this a two-pronged approach. On one prong (the top-down), you want the organization that enforces the code. On the other prong (the bottom-up), you want the people perpetuating the code, as though they believe in it. Your top-down prong sounds similar to mine, though the example you pull to buttress it leaves me feeling as though it is a questionable approach. For one, it reads like the Inquisition (the time period in Christian history, where they were basically zealots/terrorists sponsored by the Church and grand liturgical orders). I do not know how much you know about white history, but from my knowledge, I would not encourage this approach. Secondly, many communities are still sore from their memories of the war and from the combings, executions and sacking that occurred during the saboteur saga of the war especially. At best, an open approach such as what you're suggesting (as I understand it) will make people apprehensive and perhaps distrusting. At worst, it can actually trigger communities that suffered the first time around and in turn easily engender hostility. Either way, the approach is no closer towards ensuring that the code is adhered to. This is the sort of mentality that helped decay Biafra from the inside towards the tail-end of the war. Now, your bottom-up prong is not unreasonable. In fact, I believe I understand it. However, an approach like that only works well when the masses are not desperate and destitute. We love to think that igwe bu ike, but in truth, that only works when equity and agency exists for a people. A destitute people will never put any sort of code at the forefront of their minds. I am of the opinion that your approach is severely miscalculating the loss of will and hope on the part of the public, because their basic needs and wants are not being provided for. They have experienced so many unfulfilled promises. They've witnessed decade after decade as the situation degraded in Nigeria. The past ten years have been especially bad. Long story short, people whose basic needs and wants remain unmet are unlikely to observe any sort of decorum, but that self-perpetuating decorum is essentially what you want to create. In English, it is called propriety. You want to instill an Igbo-centric propriety within the masses to essentially control public opinion by ensuring that the hearts and minds of the masses are inspired to adhere to such propriety. I understand well what it is you would like to achieve, but I consider it idealistic, especially when facing a desperate and destitute population. This is where affluence enters the picture. In chemical sciences, there is the idea of a catalyst. Catalysts trigger reactions and exist simply to be consumed as fuel by the reaction which may then perpetuate itself. This analogy is of course with respect to the affluent organization. It's sole purpose is for the members to use their affluence to effect the necessary environmental, social, economic and political changes necessary to engender the propriety that you hope to create. Affluence provides the means to fund projects and pave one's way through the necessary chain of command until the goal is reached. Don't get me wrong. My own approach can just as well be considered idealistic. An affluent, shadow organization stands the chance of loving their power so much that it in turn become cancerous to the public. Ideally, one would hope that the organization get consumed in the reaction, but the problem with affluence is that those with wealth generally grow wealthier and the gap between them and those without wealth grows larger. So, it is a double-edged sword, hence why I proposed the simple tenant of mutually assured destruction. One implementation of such mutually assured destruction is to cater the invite-only process in such a way that members are required to give up/share their deepest secrets; the kind that would publicly, politically, financially, destroy them if the world knew. The entire membership is made aware of said secrets, and by so doing, it becomes in everyone's best interest to not leak the information of their fellow members and to follow the edicts of the organization. Mutually assured destruction. Once the organization has fulfilled its purpose, it disbands. There are many ways this could go wrong, of course, but at the very least it does two important things. 1) It preserves the agency of the public. Such an organization does not enforce change, but rather engenders it by ensuring certain infrastructures, mechanisms, environments, etc. exist. The "code" (ie. propriety) is built into how people receive and partake in the infrastructure and environmental changes. 2) It flies under the radar and does not engender hostility. The last thing anyone needs is to have a system collapse upon itself. Forcing anything on anyone, no matter what it is, breeds enmity, and the initiative crumbles from within. |
| Re: . by sweetonugbu: 3:09am On Jan 24, 2020 |
Osagyefo98:northern guy |
| Re: . by NaijirianKing: 2:03pm On Jan 24, 2020*. Modified: 10:06pm On Jan 27, 2022 |
Interesting.
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| Re: . by NaijirianKing: 2:23pm On Jan 24, 2020*. Modified: 10:20pm On Jan 27, 2022 |
Your knowledge is vast, I'm impressed. However, I think my point may not have been conveyed in the best manner as there's misunderstanding.
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| Re: . by pazienza(m): 2:41pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
NaijirianKing:Unfortunately, I think this is simply the North reminding Yorubas what they stand to lose if they don't remain submissive. It's a subtle message. I feel once Yorubas mellow down, the whole process will be reversed , and the Yoruba seaports and airway monopoly on Nigeria will be restored back to them. |
| Re: . by pazienza(m): 2:46pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
NaijirianKing:You have good ideas. But to enforce this code you speak of. You will need a secret Igbo group, the type Chinenye is proposing. The group has to be one with affluence and with members bound together by oath of secrecy and untainted love for Igboland and Igbo people. Membership will be strictly by invitation. Before being admitted you must have been studied and seen to be Igbophillic through and through, in addition to being a highflyer in any aspect of human endeavor. Both of you are speaking of same concept but from different perspectives which are not really irreconcilable. |
| Re: . by NaijirianKing: 4:01pm On Jan 24, 2020*. Modified: 10:20pm On Jan 27, 2022 |
Interesting.
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| Re: . by NaijirianKing: 4:14pm On Jan 24, 2020*. Modified: 10:19pm On Jan 27, 2022 |
You're right on the money
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| Re: . by ChocolateHigh: 7:42pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
Been following pazienza's posts and some of his views on Amotekun looks like what this middle belter twitted about the group
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| Re: . by NaijirianKing: 8:07pm On Jan 24, 2020*. Modified: 10:19pm On Jan 27, 2022 |
Interesting.
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| Re: . by Nobody: 11:15pm On Jan 24, 2020 |
hammerF:Lol! BSS. Goose dream. Since the SE Governors are irrelevant according to Kanu, maybe IPOB members would enforce it into law. No Referendum, No Election! All hail the saviour of Biafraland. Agunegbuehi 1.Why are you people not adding the south-south as part of the BSS, or is it only the south east that makes up Biafraland? Doesn't Kanu influence extend to Ijawland again. Ndi uchu! |
| Re: . by JonDon12: 1:04am On Jan 25, 2020 |
pazienza:Nwokem you speak the truth here. Amotekum seems to be a bargaining chip for the Yoruba 2023 presidency. If Yoruba wants to be president so bad let them have it. It will only lead to Biafra for us |
| Re: . by Nobody: 2:32am On Jan 25, 2020 |
hammerF:This pix you posted is quite funny. Hungry men looking for positions in Biafra. Well, it's a welcome development, as long as it will provide the needed empowerment to my uncle who clocks 70 next year. That man has really invested his time and efforts into this MASSOB/IPOB movement. I just hope he benefits something from this franchise in his lifetime. If OPC and MEND can benefit from government largesse, then I think the likes of IPOB should benefit also, because what is good for the goose is also good for the gander. But in all, if per chance the SE needs to form a regional security network, it's not going to be named BSS! Neither will it be on Kanu's terms. You guys should envisage an acceptable nomenclature that can be passed into law. |
| Re: . by Ohaozara: 11:56am On Jan 25, 2020 |
pazienza:Hmm... Pazienza you are a war Lord, verbal war Lord indeed! I can't stop reading you. I've learned so much from you and few others in these forum; Xanderboy, Horsepower etc. God bless you sir. |
| Re: . by Ohaozara: 12:10pm On Jan 25, 2020 |
pazienza:Ride on sir, I heard you clearly |
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