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Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 6:04am On Jan 11
Hi Nairaland, it's been awhile. I have been going through a lot of things lately that has forced me to think of what humans have thought about for years.

What is the meaning of life?

From a Christian stand point , we are here as a preparation for eternal life with God. The question becomes why did God have to create us here first. Why not create us eternally in heaven to serve him?



From an atheist point of view, when we die we simply seize to exist. It's like trying to imagine where you were before you became conscious. If that is the case, why then are we here? Does it mean our consciousness has no purpose or meaning in the grand scheme of things?

Please drop a comment on what you believe is the purpose of life.

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Re: Why Are We Here? by Obainoneandonly(m): 6:21am On Jan 11
both xtains,Muslims and atheists no one knows the purpose of life nor how we were created.... each and everyone has their own version of it,and d only way to verify it is only when one dies,......only the afterlife have the whole answers and it will shock many.till then let's keep speculating

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Re: Why Are We Here? by nwabekeyi: 6:38am On Jan 11
Obainoneandonly:
both xtains,Muslims and atheists no one knows the purpose of life nor how we were created.... each and everyone has their own version of it,and d only way to verify it is only when one dies,......only the afterlife have the whole answers and it will shock many.till then let's keep speculating
there's nothing like afterlife. When one dies, the atoms in your body are used to make other things in the universe.

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Re: Why Are We Here? by Obainoneandonly(m): 6:44am On Jan 11
nwabekeyi:
there's nothing like afterlife. When one dies, the atoms in your body are used to make other things in the universe.
how did u Come up with this theory,I bet someone told you and dat also made u to believe in it...nobody knowo sh*t,we will get the answers in d afterlife...... its then we will b able to know if Jesus truly exist or if Mohammed preaching was from God..... till then let's keep speculating, just as you are now

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Re: Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 6:45am On Jan 11
[ author=nwabekeyi post=74649116]there's nothing like afterlife. When one dies, the atoms in your body are used to make other things in the universe.[/quote]

I do not disagree with you on this. There's no evidence yet to support an afterlife but if this is this case and then when we die it is nothingness and we fade into oblivion, what then is the purpose of life?

Why are we the only objectively conscious species? Of course goats and cockroaches maybe conscious but we do not have any evidence to support that.
Re: Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 6:47am On Jan 11
Obainoneandonly:
how did u Come up with this theory,I bet someone told you and dat also made u to believe in it...nobody knowo sh*t,we will get the answers in d afterlife...... its then we will b able to know if Jesus truly exist or if Mohammed preaching was from God..... till then let's keep speculating, just as you are now

Why are 100% certain that there is an afterlife? Do you have any recollection of a beforelife? Where were you before you existed?
Re: Why Are We Here? by nwabekeyi: 6:49am On Jan 11
GeneralShepherd:
[ author=nwabekeyi post=74649116]there's nothing like afterlife. When one dies, the atoms in your body are used to make other things in the universe.

I do not disagree with you on this. There's no evidence yet to support an afterlife but if this is this case and then when we die it is nothingness and we fade into oblivion, what then is the purpose of life?

Why are we the only objectively conscious species? Of course goats and cockroaches maybe conscious but we do not have any evidence to support that.
as long as the universe is concerned, life has no purpose. Things are just existing to maintain universal balance.

In the actual sense, no one lives or dies, everyone is just a reservoir and recycler of atoms and energy. Life itself is a mirage.

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Re: Why Are We Here? by nwabekeyi: 6:51am On Jan 11
Obainoneandonly:
how did u Come up with this theory,I bet someone told you and dat also made u to believe in it...nobody knowo sh*t,we will get the answers in d afterlife...... its then we will b able to know if Jesus truly exist or if Mohammed preaching was from God..... till then let's keep speculating, just as you are now
There's no after life, I have not seen it before and there's no proof to that.

When you die, you don't just go, you decay and your atoms are recycled to build other things in the universe. Literally, people don't actually die, life itself doesn't exist.
Re: Why Are We Here? by Speedyconnect15: 6:52am On Jan 11
At times, I wonder why were born

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Re: Why Are We Here? by Obainoneandonly(m): 6:54am On Jan 11
nwabekeyi:
There's no after life, I have not seen it before and there's no proof to that.

When you die, you don't just go, you decay and your atoms are torn about to build other things in the universe. Literally, people don't actually die, life itself doesn't exist.
how can u see it when u haven't died ,u have to die to be able to experience it....its tru dat when someone dies,the body decay and so on, wat about the soul,does dat one too decay
Re: Why Are We Here? by nwabekeyi: 7:05am On Jan 11
Obainoneandonly:
how can u see it when u haven't died ,u have to die to be able to experience it....its tru dat when someone dies,the body decay and so on, wat about the soul,does dat one too decay
There's nothing like soul.
Did anyone died and told you about after life? If yiy believe it without evidence, check yourself
Re: Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 7:06am On Jan 11
nwabekeyi:
as long as the universe is concerned, life has no purpose. Things are just existing to maintain universal balance.

In the actual sense, no one lives or dies, everyone is just a reservoir and recycler of atoms and energy. Life itself is a mirage.

I do not doubt that. Laws of conservation of energy is an objective truth. Do you think our consiousness if purely material?
Re: Why Are We Here? by Obainoneandonly(m): 7:06am On Jan 11
nwabekeyi:
There's nothing like soul.
Did anyone died and told you about after life? If yiy believe it without evidence, check yourself
now I know dat your thinking faculty is low....have a nice life
Re: Why Are We Here? by nwabekeyi: 7:12am On Jan 11
GeneralShepherd:


I do not doubt that. Laws of conservation of energy is an objective truth. Do you think our consiousness if purely material?
our cautiousness is a result of billion years of evolution, sitting on your shoulder is the most complex object in the universe. Life is a mirage.
Re: Why Are We Here? by nwabekeyi: 7:14am On Jan 11
Obainoneandonly:
now I know dat your thinking faculty is low....have a nice life
lol, someone who believe in what he hasn't seen think I have a low thinking faculty.

Go read books, stop living In the stone age. The world is going past all these gibberishes you guys talk about

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Re: Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 7:15am On Jan 11
nwabekeyi:
our cautiousness is a result of billion years of evolution, sitting on your shoulder is the most complex object in the universe. Life is a mirage.

What do you mean that life is a mirage? For example, I am 100% certain that there is someone or at least something(could be AI) on the other side of this phone.

Surely, our existence is not some sort of matrix with our minds playing tricks on us. So again how is life a mirage? What does this statement actually mean?
Re: Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 7:17am On Jan 11
Obainoneandonly:
how can u see it when u haven't died ,u have to die to be able to experience it....its tru dat when someone dies,the body decay and so on, wat about the soul,does dat one too decay

If our consciousness is as a result of our soul and it transcends our body, how is that people who are brain damaged loose consciousness?

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Re: Why Are We Here? by nwabekeyi: 7:22am On Jan 11
GeneralShepherd:


What do you mean that life is a mirage? For example, I am 100% certain that there is someone or at least something(could be AI) on the other side of this phone.

Surely, our existence is not some sort of matrix with our minds playing tricks on us. So again how is life a mirage? What does this statement actually mean?
Because the universe doesn't understand if anything is dead or alive.

The universe has always obeyed the law of conservation of energy even before we became cautious of life and before the word "life" was coined and there nothing we can do to change that.

The purpose of your existence and any other thing is simply to store energy and recyle them. At the quantum level, every atom is the same, that's what the universe understands.
Re: Why Are We Here? by TATIME: 7:39am On Jan 11
GeneralShepherd:
Hi Nairaland, it's been awhile. I have been going through a lot of things lately that has forced me to think of what humans have thought about for years.

What is the meaning of life?

From a Christian stand point , we are here as a preparation for eternal life with God. The question becomes why did God have to create us here first. Why not create us eternally in heaven to serve him?



From an atheist point of view, when we die we simply seize to exist. It's like trying to imagine where you were before you became conscious. If that is the case, why then are we here? Does it mean our consciousness has no purpose or meaning in the grand scheme of things?

Please drop a comment on what you believe is the purpose of life.
You slighted some other viewpoints my brother! There are Muslims, Buddhists, Indus and many others but at least you've opened a fine thread for intellectuals to reason along.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF LIFE?
My favorite question that led me to the TRUTH!
Re: Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 7:56am On Jan 11
TATIME:
You slighted some other viewpoints my brother! There are Muslims, Buddhists, Indus and many others but at least you've opened a fine thread for intellectuals to reason along.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF LIFE?
My favorite question that led me to the TRUTH!

Lol thanks brother, I only commented on these two points of view cos I am viewed the world only through these two lenses.

I am very open to hear what other people think.
Re: Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 7:58am On Jan 11
nwabekeyi:
Because the universe doesn't understand if anything is dead or alive.

The universe has always obeyed the law of conservation of energy even before we became cautious of life and before the word "life" was coined and there nothing we can do to change that.

The purpose of your existence and any other thing is simply to store energy and recyle them. At the quantum level, every atom is the same, that's what the universe understands.

The universe could simple have not existed. But it did. We could simply have existed without being conscious but we are. It forces us to beg the question why?

Why do we even have the capacity to ask why?

Simply dismissing this with a slight of hand is the same as saying God did it! End of!
Re: Why Are We Here? by TATIME: 8:02am On Jan 11
Many books have been written by different intellectuals and we've also read through many of these books!
None is able to say something pertinent to the course of our existence or why we're here except a documents found amongst the Jews. According to historians, this documents was originally written in three different languages, Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.
Later intellectuals combined all these documents together in one big volume and called it Bible. It reveals how a spirit being started all these but what really arouse my interest is the efficacy of this big book in the foreknowledge of certain things we later discovered to be just as this book says!
For example it talks about our vast universe and SPECIFICALLY mentioned that life could ONLY be found on earth! Now this has been proven to be true as space travelers have gone far only to discover that the earth is the ONLY planet where life could flourish. Just as this book said that the spirit being actually PREPARED the earth for living creatures! Genesis 1:1-31
Though other intellectuals criticized this book for it's illustrative presentations but NONE can explain how this ancient book that was written by those primitive dwellers knew that life ONLY could be found on earth!

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Re: Why Are We Here? by nwabekeyi: 8:03am On Jan 11
GeneralShepherd:


The universe could simple have not existed. But it did. We could simply have existed without being conscious but we are. It forces us to beg the question why?

Why do we even have the capacity to ask why?

Simply dismissing this with a slight of hand is the same as saying God did it! End of!
Having the capacity to ask why doesn't mean you can change the law.
Re: Why Are We Here? by HellVictorinho(m): 8:05am On Jan 11
TATIME:
You slighted some other viewpoints my brother! There are Muslims, Buddhists, Indus and many others but at least you've opened a fine thread for intellectuals to reason along.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF LIFE?
My favorite question that led me to the TRUTH!
Humans can't go extinct.
Earth-Supported Life is mostly significant because of this.
But,Humans can't go extinct because they are humans (smart smart man).
As regards the afterlife,there is nothing like purpose in it functionally.
If there is an afterlife,it will only buttress that Man is an Expression of Pre-determined Absurdity.
The Possibility of Spirit Realms is a declarification(Anything described as a "Possibility" thereby making it illogical to appreciate reality considering the absurdity of its existential significance).
Even if there is an afterlife which could also be described as a spirit realm,Man will still be screwed by his Nature-even spiritually.
Re: Why Are We Here? by TATIME: 8:16am On Jan 11
Again this book also mentioned SPECIFICALLY that the earth is spherical! Isaiah 40:22
Now this is strange because by the time this documents were written,the popular believe or assumption is that the earth is FLAT since we're seeing everything as flat as possible. But those ancient Jews actually said the earth is SPHERICAL or ROUND so that other nations reading through the pages of these Jewish documents just laugh it off as nonsense, until modern day discoveries proved those ancient Jews RIGHT!
Again this book SPECIFICALLY mentioned that our home planet is HANGING UPON NOTHING. Job 26:7
Certainly this will also arouse a controversy amongst those ancient people who couldn't see any massive object been suspended upon NOTHING as in having no support! But thanks to space travelers, who have been to the moon,took a picture of our planet home and show us all that what those ancient Jews wrote is TRUE!
Re: Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 8:17am On Jan 11
TATIME:
Many books have been written by different intellectuals and we've also read through many of these books!
None is able to say something pertinent to the course of our existence or why we're here except a documents found amongst the Jews. According to historians, this documents was originally written in three different languages, Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.
Later intellectuals combined all these documents together in one big volume and called it Bible. It reveals how a spirit being started all these but what really arouse my interest is the efficacy of this big book in the foreknowledge of certain things we later discovered to be just as this book says!
For example it talks about our vast universe and SPECIFICALLY mentioned that life could ONLY be found on earth! Now this has been proven to be true as space travelers have gone far only to discover that the earth is the ONLY planet where life could flourish. Just as this book said that the spirit being actually PREPARED the earth for living creatures! Genesis 1:1-31
Though other intellectuals criticized this book for it's illustrative presentations but NONE can explain how this ancient book that was written by those primitive dwellers knew that life ONLY could be found on earth!

I failed to see where the bible mentioned that God created other planets

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Re: Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 8:21am On Jan 11
nwabekeyi:
Having the capacity to ask why doesn't mean you can change the law.

I have not suggested that we change the law. I am simply asking if we are just energy, why life?

In Mars, energy also changes form but we have not detected any sign of life and yes I know the conditions on earth are perfect for life. But what is tbe purpose of it?

Why the big bang at all? Where did that initial energy come from as we all know that energy can neither be created or destroyed.

So for the universe to exist the laws of thermodynamics must have been violated at least once or we do not fully understand everything yet.
Re: Why Are We Here? by TATIME: 8:38am On Jan 11
Again this Jewish documents also contains some foretold events that baffles today's readers as what those ancient Jews calls it PROPHECIES!
For example, Babylon is ancient city that was ruined and remains like that till today! It was located in a region around today's Iraq.The spirit being actually said Babylonians spoke injuriously of him so he cursed Babylon saying it will be destroyed. Of course Babylon is no more in existence today as the prophecy said,it's just the ruins that could be found and wild animals are dwelling there as foretold by this spirit being.
But what baffles intellectuals today is not just how an ancient world trade center was destroyed, rather it's the prophecy which says IT WILL NEVER BE REBUILT!
When Saddam Hussein(Iraq's last military ruler) heard of this he was angered about what some ancient Jewish spirit being revered as God said regarding his own soil. So he declared that Babylon WILL BE REBUILT to undo the curse from this spirit being and put God to shame. But Saddam Hussein died with all his offsprings and the word of JEHOVAH the God of Israel stands UNCHALLENGED!
So i'll implore sincere and honest hearted persons who TRULY wants the answer to search for those sent by this spirit being called JEHOVAH,for a certainty they'll be able to answer this thought provoking question "WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF LIFE?"
Re: Why Are We Here? by HellVictorinho(m): 8:40am On Jan 11
GeneralShepherd:


I have not suggested that we change the law. I am simply asking if we are just energy, why life?

In Mars, energy also changes form but we have not detected any sign of life and yes I know the conditions on earth are perfect for life. But what is tbe purpose of it?

Why the big bang at all? Where did that initial energy come from as we all know that energy can neither be created or destroyed.

So for the universe to exist the laws of thermodynamics must have been violated at least once or we do not fully understand everything yet.
The Big Bang did not require 'Initial Energy'.
It only required events capable of changing the state of cosmic systems.
The Big Bang was an event preceded by other events and followed up by other events.
The law of thermodynamics is about energy.
But energy involves the speed of light.
So specified time is also involved.
But 'Existence' is possible when Time is unlimited for events to occur timelessly.
So you can't attribute the Forming of Existence to specified time.
Re: Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 8:46am On Jan 11
HellVictorinho:

The Big Bang did not require 'Initial Energy'.
It only required events capable of changing the state of cosmic systems.
The Big Bang was an event preceded by other events and followed up by other events.
The law of thermodynamics is about energy.
But energy involves the speed of light.
So specified time is also involved.
But 'Existence' is possible when Time is unlimited for events to occur timelessly.
So you can't attribute the Forming of Existence to specified time.

I honestly do not understand you. We know that everything is energy. The material universe is energy believed to have started in a singularity then expanded and continues to expand.

Now why this singularity? Why couldn't there just be nothing? No experience? We won't be having this conversation? There will simply be nothing.

Why was there a cosmic system in the first place instead of nothing? Randomness you may say but why not nothing instead of randomness
Re: Why Are We Here? by TATIME: 8:51am On Jan 11
GeneralShepherd:


I failed to see where the bible mentioned that God created other planets
Oh sorry! The book was written for DWELLERS on earth so it ONLY paraphrased the creation of other planets in one sentence "in the beginning God created the HEAVENS and the earth!"
Note what the manufacturer of any complex gadget focuses on during the printing of instructional manual. It's main significance is to help you (the consumer) in the smooth operation of the gadget. God limited the information to where HE gave us as our own portion EARTH! Psalms 115:16
So we have NO business with other planets since HE created those ones for other purposes and we can ONLY gaze into the sky to see how HE controls them as the book says "HE calls(these heavenly bodies) by name!" Isaiah 40:26
Thanks for asking!
Re: Why Are We Here? by GeneralShepherd(m): 9:14am On Jan 11
TATIME:
Oh sorry! The book was written for DWELLERS on earth so it ONLY paraphrased the creation of other planets in one sentence "in the beginning God created the HEAVENS and the earth!"
Note what the manufacturer of any complex gadget focuses on during the printing of instructional manual. It's main significance is to help you (the consumer) in the smooth operation of the gadget. God limited the information to where HE gave us as our own portion EARTH! Psalms 115:16
So we have NO business with other planets since HE created those ones for other purposes and we can ONLY gaze into the sky to see how HE controls them as the book says "HE calls(these heavenly bodies) by name!" Isaiah 40:26
Thanks for asking!

I also have to ask this. Now according to science the universe is infinitely vast. With millions of planets, why did God make these other planets , just for us to live on one?

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