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Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Moonlight111(m): 4:45pm On Apr 30
I am an amateur web designer and programmer for now , and i really don't understand why I should (kind of) waste long hard hours learning web programming languages like Php, Javascript , html and others when there are Content Management Systems all over the internet that would help me get around and make relatively similar websites with less stress and in a much quicker time .
Please i would appreciate if anyone who is more informed than i am , could please explain to me.

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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by etoluw: 6:33pm On Apr 30
Unfortunately to use these Content Management Systems effectively you still have to master the programming language used.


For example if you use WordPress, you will still need to build custom themes/plugins for your clients.

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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Moonlight111(m): 10:35pm On Apr 30
etoluw:
Unfortunately to use these Content Management Systems effectively you still have to master the programming language used.


For example if you use WordPress, you will still need to build custom themes/plugins for your clients.

Thank you sir for your answer.
But I thought WordPress has already embedded themes and plugins that developers can utilize while building websites and if not , how can i compact php codes to WordPress settings .

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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by cpanelisclala: 6:43am On May 01
Moonlight111:
I am an amateur web designer and programmer for now , and i really don't understand why I should (kind of) waste long hard hours learning web programming languages like Php, Javascript , html and others when there are Content Management Systems all over the internet that would help me get around and make relatively similar websites with less stress and in a much quicker time .
Please i would appreciate if anyone who is more informed than i am , could please explain to me.
Shut your fucking mouth you are not an amateur. You are the administrator of this forum.

Let me post your picture for everyone to see

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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by etoluw: 6:53am On May 01
Moonlight111:


Thank you sir for your answer.
But I thought WordPress has already embedded themes and plugins that developers can utilize while building websites and if not , how can i compact php codes to WordPress settings .

Of course there thousands of themes you can choose from (both free & paid) for blogs, ecommerce, companies etc.

But if you need a special(bespoke) design you have to do it yourself. This usually happens when a client sends you a link and wants you to create something similar for him.
Building themes is very easy if you've learnt CSS, HTML, JavaScript & PHP.

Also for plugins you'll find so many plugins for usual cases. As all websites have unique requirements you'll definitely need to build your own plugins to meet your specific requirements.

Also many plugins are an overkill which might make your website slow, so if you can just add the functions you need without the unnecessary load.

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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Moonlight111(m): 7:28am On May 01
etoluw:


Of course there thousands of themes you can choose from (both free & paid) for blogs, ecommerce, companies etc.

But if you need a special(bespoke) design you have to do it yourself. This usually happens when a client sends you a link and wants you to create something similar for him.
Building themes is very easy if you've learnt CSS, HTML, JavaScript & PHP.

Also for plugins you'll find so many plugins for usual cases. As all websites have unique requirements you'll definitely need to build your own plugins to meet your specific requirements.

Also many plugins are an overkill which might make your website slow, so if you can just add the functions you need without the unnecessary load.

Well i am really beginning to understand your point, are you saying the only way I can use the programming language i have learnt in WordPress is by embedding them through plugins.


And I have another question , is there any way I can copy the code i use in creating a wordpress website and edit with an editor
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Moonlight111(m): 7:34am On May 01
And please this topic is open for everyone's genuine contribution , so if you are viewing this post please try and leave a reply.

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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Moonlight111(m): 8:08am On May 01
cpanelisclala:

Shut your fucking mouth you are not an amateur. You are the administrator of this forum.

Let me post your picture for everyone to see

Nope i am not an admin and i am relatively new to programming . But it doesn't mean I don't got my eyes on things like that.
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by etoluw: 3:19pm On May 01
Moonlight111:


Well i am really beginning to understand your point, are you saying the only way I can use the programming language i have learnt in WordPress is by embedding them through plugins.

There are two ways to add functionalities to a WordPress site

You can use the themes functions.php file or you can use a plugin.

But you need to understand how WordPress works before you can modify it using theme/plugin.

in general wordpress makes use of hooks




And I have another question , is there any way I can copy the code i use in creating a WordPress website and edit with an editor

You can check the theme or plugin folder and edit the php file you want to modify
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Moonlight111(m): 3:53pm On May 01
Etoluw thanks alot sir
I understand and really appreciate your explanation, they all correlate with the little research i myself did.
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Sylvaxxl1(m): 11:20pm On May 01
To further add to what has been said, content management systems are just tools to ease development. For example I mostly use wordpress as my backend structure and create a custom rest API for my projects.

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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Moonlight111(m): 6:05am On May 02
Sylvaxxl1:
To further add to what has been said, content management systems are just tools to ease development. For example I mostly use wordpress as my backend structure and create a custom rest API for my projects.

Yeah, now i am at peace , cause it greatly surprised me that after i have fulfilled all righteousness by learning most of web languages i would not even really make use of any of them just because WordPress reduces time .
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by etoluw: 5:49pm On May 02
Sylvaxxl1:
To further add to what has been said, content management systems are just tools to ease development. For example I mostly use wordpress as my backend structure and create a custom rest API for my projects.

Please how do you authenticate users when using the WordPress api?

do you use basic authentication?
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Sylvaxxl1(m): 8:08pm On May 02
etoluw:


Please how do you authenticate users when using the WordPress api?

do you use basic authentication?
When you say authenticate, in what regard. Is it login or access to some information or user ability
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by etoluw: 12:10pm On May 03
Sylvaxxl1:

When you say authenticate, in what regard. Is it login or access to some information or user ability
I am building an android app for a client and he will need to make a post using the app.

In order to achieve this, the app will need a means of authentication before it can be done.
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Sylvaxxl1(m): 5:30pm On May 03
etoluw:
I am building an android app for a client and he will need to make a post using the app.

In order to achieve this, the app will need a means of authentication before it can be done.

Check if the user can edit. It's a pre defined in wordpress
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by The5DME(m): 1:17pm On May 04
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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by MrWondah(m): 1:17pm On May 04
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by GunnarSch: 1:18pm On May 04
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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by rhodman: 1:20pm On May 04
Using CMS is only helpful when you want to build websites and has made website developers job easier.

But you would need to know a programming language to build web applications like Management Information Systems (web portals, health management software, procurement software, etc.)
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by qtguru(m): 1:26pm On May 04
Moonlight111:
I am an amateur web designer and programmer for now , and i really don't understand why I should (kind of) waste long hard hours learning web programming languages like Php, Javascript , html and others when there are Content Management Systems all over the internet that would help me get around and make relatively similar websites with less stress and in a much quicker time .
Please i would appreciate if anyone who is more informed than i am , could please explain to me.

Content Management System in plain terms management of content without writing HTML, everything here is content centric e.g WordPress and a lot others however since you are a Developer, there is the dev aspect Content Management Framework, tool-sets specifically built for CMS purposes.

So take WordPress for example it is written in PHP for the backend, and the side for the browser is the javaScript. So you need PHP to Develop and extend a WordPress website, if your job is building websites only, you might encounter a chance where the client will ask for support or extension of features, and with the knowledge of PHP and WordPress Codex ( WordPress Libraries to build Plugins/Themes)

if you are a Webmaster you do not need to know PHP but if you are a CMS Developer you will have to know PHP because WordPress is built on PHP.

I hope this cleared it

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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by geemailer2019: 1:30pm On May 04
Moonlight111:
I am an amateur web designer and programmer for now , and i really don't understand why I should (kind of) waste long hard hours learning web programming languages like Php, Javascript , html and others when there are Content Management Systems all over the internet that would help me get around and make relatively similar websites with less stress and in a much quicker time .
Please i would appreciate if anyone who is more informed than i am , could please explain to me.

Content Management systems give you the basics for building websites and sometimes you need components or modules built by other programmers to achieve additional functionality. If you use these additional modules or components, how do you troubleshoot errors and maintain the websites you build when you do not understand programming? All you can do is build, but if those components built by others have issues or get abandoned, depending on the level of complexity of the website, then you're stuck. besides if you're building relatively easy websites, they can also be built using systems like wix and this is a lot of competition for you.
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by GeoAfrikana(m): 1:30pm On May 04
Dear OP. I'm in a good position to answer your question. I've built websites and blogs with wordpress and Google blogger.

I've also done projects with Django (a Python web framework).

When I was building websites with WordPress, I had only some knowledge of HTML and CSS. No working knowledge of JavaScript. And till today I have no working knowledge of PHP.

Yes, wordpress is powerful. It gives you the ability to build something powerful within a short period of time. With thousands of themes, there's almost no way you won't find your taste.

You can also use plugins to power the funtionality of your website.

However, as you progress in your career, you'll realize that you need to personalize some experiences for your (client's) website. And the only way you can do this is by getting your hands dirty in code.

For example, your client likes a theme you installed but wants a little tweak which the theme customizer has no option. You'll have to write some custom HTML, CSS or JavaScript to do that. I remember a theme I worked with didn't put bullets in the list of recent posts on the sidebar. I was able to change it because I knew some HTML and CSS.

Also, in the backend. Imagine you want to build a bulk SMS portal. Your service provider will only give you an API. As at the last time I checked there was no way to consume a bulk SMS API in wordpress. So you just have build your own site from scratch.

Also, scalability, security and sustainability. Even if you want to build with WordPress, as soon as your site reaches a certain stage you'll see the need to hire developers for good maintenance.

Finally, you might need bespoke functionality like (geo)data analysis. If you can't code, there's no way you can do it.

In conclusion, WordPress is only good for generic websites like portfolio sites and blogs because you're working with readymade templates.

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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by chyzoo4u(m): 1:49pm On May 04
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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by seyicodes(m): 1:50pm On May 04
Brother pls dont depend on content managemet system. Try to learn the building blocks of that content management system. 90 percent of those cms are built with php. You need to understand html css and javascript then you move to php. When you are done with that then take course on how to build wordpress theme and plugins dont forget to include python

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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Drabeey(m): 1:55pm On May 04
I want to learn coding from scratch. I made my research and realize phyton will be handy to make quick money, i have a very limited time but i have zeal to learn... Advice needed here
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Daisukee: 1:57pm On May 04
etoluw:
Unfortunately to use these Content Management Systems effectively you still have to master the programming language used.


For example if you use WordPress, you will still need to build custom themes/plugins for your clients.
How long can it take a person with little or no computer knowledge to learn how to create website ?
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by GeoAfrikana(m): 1:59pm On May 04
Moonlight111:


Thank you sir for your answer.
But I thought WordPress has already embedded themes and plugins that developers can utilize while building websites and if not , how can i compact php codes to WordPress settings .
If those themes and plugins addressed all possible problems in existence, there wouldn't be any need for anyone to build a new plugin or theme. But everyday, we see new themes and plugins added to the WordPress repository.

Problem no dey finish so WordPress (and no CMS or framework) can solve all possible problems.
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by tensazangetsu20(m): 2:02pm On May 04
GeoAfrikana:
Dear OP. I'm in a good position to answer your question. I've built websites and blogs with wordpress and Google blogger.

I've also done projects with Django (a Python web framework).

When I was building websites with WordPress, I had only some knowledge of HTML and CSS. No working knowledge of JavaScript. And till today I have no working knowledge of PHP.

Yes, wordpress is powerful. It gives you the ability to build something powerful within a short period of time. With thousands of themes, there's almost no way you won't find your taste.

You can also use plugins to power the funtionality of your website.

However, as you progress in your career, you'll realize that you need to personalize some experiences for your (client's) website. And the only way you can do this is by getting your hands dirty in code.

For example, your client likes a theme you installed but wants a little tweak which the theme customizer has no option. You'll have to write some custom HTML, CSS or JavaScript to do that. I remember a theme I worked with didn't put bullets in the list of recent posts on the sidebar. I was able to change it because I knew some HTML and CSS.

Also, in the backend. Imagine you want to build a bulk SMS portal. Your service provider will only give you an API. As at the last time I checked there was no way to consume a bulk SMS API in wordpress. So you just have build your own site from scratch.

Also, scalability, security and sustainability. Even if you want to build with WordPress, as soon as your site reaches a certain stage you'll see the need to hire developers for good maintenance.

Finally, you might need bespoke functionality like (geo)data analysis. If you can't code, there's no way you can do it.

In conclusion, WordPress is only good for generic websites like portfolio sites and blogs because you're working with readymade templates.
You know nothing about wordpress at all. You can build your own APIs within wordpress. This is something I have done and written on. There's just so many things inside wordpress you would never know it's possible till you try it yourself

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Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by Dhavido(m): 2:02pm On May 04
Hh
Re: Web Programming Language Vs Content Management Systems by tensazangetsu20(m): 2:03pm On May 04
Drabeey:
I want to learn coding from scratch. I made my research and realize phyton will be handy to make quick money, i have a very limited time but i have zeal to learn... Advice needed here
More like handy for quick poverty.

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