₦airaland Forum

Ogbuefi2020:
In your usual cowardly manner you are dragging Hausa. We are economic hitmen just like Western imperialist. Lol, no political gang up will save you all from our heavy hands which is rooted in individualism

Ogbuefi2020:
Even American democracy which is a model copied all over the world is not perfect. The most important thing is that we had a democracy while you were struggling from feudalism and monarchy

Shiver99:
Because Igbos rejected a monarchical structure, this vested power in the community itself. Along with power came a strong sense of responsibility for the common igbo when it came to political affairs.

Instead of relying on the goodwill of an elusive higher power to build their environment, they simply gathered themselves and their collective resources together and got things done.

As a result there is no section of Nigeria that can boast of the standard of living that rural Igboland has today.


Random pictures of some villages in Igboland below.

Probz:
Abiriba’s very okay.

omonnakoda:
Abiriba operates a MONARCHICAL SYSTEM

True or False?

Jesuschristonw:
[/quote][quote author=omonnakoda post=118876136]Abiriba operates a MONARCHICAL SYSTEM

True or False?

omonnakoda:
No you cannot call it a democracy if women are excluded
A misogynistic society cannot claim to be democratic
You think it is justified to hate women to the extent they cannot inherit their father's property
To the extent they cannot own land and want to claim to be democratic. No

You cannot call it a democracy if you label some people Osus and exclude them
To talk of democracies you must talk of nations
What you had is little hamlets and clans in the rain forest governed by a powerful few. A village level oligarchy.

You had not yet evolved to the level of even tiny nation states such as the Ijaws, or Itsekiris had

omonnakoda:
Abiriba operates a MONARCHICAL SYSTEM

True or False?

Ogbuefi2020:
Stop talking rubbish if you have nothing to say, women own property in their husbands village. The OSU would have been executed by your blood thirsty despotic kings, but we gave them chance to appeal. Property ownership has nothing to do with democracy. We had a paliarment and there was separation of powers.

HedwigesMaduro:
Cowardly manner? You don't see the irony in you , a yiibo from a lineage of palm wine tappers and traders who never fought (not to talk of won) a single war, calling me, a Yoruba from a lineage of warriors that built the great Oyo Empire based on conquests a coward. Or, like other braindead yiibos, you think making noise up and down and beating your chest like a gorilla makes you brave, right?

omonnakoda:
You are the one talking rubbish

You claim to operate a democracy but women are second class citizens
You have Osus
What kind of democracy is that

Is Abiriba a Monarchy yes or no?

YOu go around saying you have no kings so tell us whether there are Kings in Arochukwu
Oguta
Onitsha
Nri

ba7man:
Building empty mansions in the bushes from mostly proceeds of drug trade isn't the same as building a society.

Ogbuefi2020:
Only igboland subjected decision making process to voting in pre colonial era. Only Igbos had a parliament. This are democratic institutions that shows advanced evolution. Not feudal conquest by despotic kings

KwaraRat:
Story.

Igbo land was known as the land of Satan and cannibalism.

Widespread indiscriminate slave raiding , human sacrifices and cannibalism where the hallmark so much so that it was dubbed the land of Satan.

omonnakoda:
Yes we know that only Igboland had the internet in the 19th century

You can wake up overdose on akpu and start talking all manner of rubbish

The question once again

Is Abiriba a monarchy yes or no

Women had no say
Osus had no say
That is not a democracy


Is Arochukwu a monarchy?
What about Oguta
Onitsha?
Nri?

Keep deceiving yourself

Ogbuefi2020:
Oha is the parliament while eze is the "king" who is not actually a king because he does not weild absolute power like a normal king. In this way, decision is made by Oha na Eze (parliament and "king". This is where the Apex Igbo socio political group derived it's name, Ohaneze. "Oha" simply means the general public (or Representatives thereof) . They meet with the Eze and difficult decision are resolved through voting. Guy, we are the oldest democracy know to mankind

omonnakoda:
Who told you that other people/s kings wield absolute power? No where do kings have absolute power
First you say you had no kings now you admit you had but they did not have absolute power
Leave story
What dirty parliament?

Parliament that has no room for women and Osus?

What was the population of the biggest igbo village in history before 1900?
You were forest dwellers do not talk as if you had any town in Igbo land before you start deceiving yourself talking of parliaments?

Wass there ANY community in Igboland with 10000 people before 1900 . NAME IT
There were monarch in Igboland so stop the lies

Ogbuefi2020:
The women have their own paliarment separately, known as umuada. The OSU are like prisoners, but guarded by gods instead of soldiers. Do prisoners participate in Nigeria today?. Guy, we no be your mate

omonnakoda:
You are deceiving yourself
Igbo society was not democratic and there are several examples of monarchies
Monarchies effectively tend to be Oligarchies where a small number of big men share power to the exclusion of the majority

That is how Igbo villages were governed .Women had no say Osus had no say

That is not democracy

Ogbuefi2020:
Ignorance everywhere, umuada weild enormous power that no women group can boast of in pre colonial Africa. Remember Aba women riot? No culture empower women like Igbo culture

omonnakoda:
Rubbish

Influence of people who cannot inherit their father's property?

Who are you deceiving
Women were chattels , owned property
Full stop
How can you talk of Women's influence in an Umunna system

Igboland never evolved beyond village mentality
A woman necessarily in Igboland will marry outside her village or clan

So what say can she have in the government of the village when she departs for her husband's village as his PROPERTY

Ogbuefi2020:
If you have no points to argue with just shut up

omonnakoda:
Points
1. Many Monarchies in Igboland Oguta, Aro, Onitsha, Nri, Abiriba
2. Women disenfranchised in Igboland with no say in government
3. Women disenfranchised with no inheritance rights
4. Women dehumanized by barbaric mourning custom
5. Osus disenfranchised by barbaric caste system rules
6. Calling It democracy is dishonest. Government of the people by the rich and powerful for the rich and powerful

Ogbuefi2020:
I have addressed the issues already

omonnakoda:
You have not
Is Abiriba a Monarchy?
Is Aro a monarchy
Is Onitsha a Monarchy?
What about Nri and Oguta?

It is fraudulent to claim to be democratic

do Igbo women remain in their father's villages?
That is part of the primitive Umunna system.


So if they are married off
How can they contribute?
Because you never evolved beyond village level governance you have Umunna mentality
You never had TOWNS and so necessarily women have to leave their fatherland

Ogbuefi2020:
Check my update please and quote again if you have something new

omonnakoda:
Nonsense and rubbish
Is Abiriba no longer a monarchy ?
Igbo women have no say in how their father land is governed
Osu caste system is not democratic
You are not democrats or egalitarian as you claim

Igboland was run as an OLIGARCHY

Ogbuefi2020:
You have nothing to argue with any longer, endeavor to read the full story about umuada and tell me any pre colonial African society where women had such powers