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it has been said by many yet many believe that efcc is the best thing that happens to nigeria.
it is obvious here that nigerian leaders are looters but efcc is the only qualified organization in nigeria to seperate white from black hence some of the leaders are made saints while some are confirmed criminals by the same efcc.
such reasonings are coming from the fact that among the past presidents of nigeria, Abacha has remained the only confirmed criminal(looter) while the other ones have continued to recieve awards from all angles within and outside nigeria for their patrotic leadership-is this possible?
withing the 8 years of obj and his appointees, two police IGS were the only known criminals (balugon and ehindero) while everyother person including all ministers are clean proves the efcc - is this true?
in the 8 years of obj, more than 36 govs participated in different states but less than 10 are alleged criminals with the other ones qualified to be leaders in heaven according to efcc including our president - who believes that?
budgets reveals that the obj administration gave out several contracts in the areas of our roads and power supply yet non was attended to but the funds are gone with no one answering question from ribadu - so who was in-charge?
nigerians and outsiders confirmed that april polls was an illusion yet nobody is facing ribadu to explain his financial involvements - how come?
a man worth twenthy thousand naira as at 1999 worth billions today without any act of embezzlement without been a suspect - what is the secret?
it looks like all the victims of efcc are either direct opositions or disobidient party members as no layalist of obj had been involved - does that send a massage?
how come many officials were caught in the act of money laundary abroad some were threated ( alams and Dariye) while others were not (Andy Uba) - are there two different laws on money laundary as it concerns officials?

hmmmmmmmm!!!! ---------- ----------

Chidichris

it is very clear that you are ill informed about events.

EFCC has said it repeatedly and numbers without times that if anyone has evidence of any wrong doing by anybody he should come forward.

So if you have any evidence or information against anybody including OBJ take it to EFCC and if they refuses to do something about it , give it to the press so that EFCC can be exposed.

There are many 'suspect' in the Nigeria politics but until there are evidence or until they got caught there is nothing anybody can do about those people.

We should stop insuniating and yabbing. These are the job of political opponents who are hell bent on character assasination without proof.

Proof is what is used in court of Law and nothing else.

Overwhelming majority of Nigerian think IBB is the biggest 419 in Nigeria hisotry including me but where is our evidence !

I am afraid go and get your facts and evidence and pass it on to EFCC and see if they will not follow it up.

May God continue to bless our great country Nigeria and bless her people.

Vigasimple,
thanks so much for your kind suggestion and readiness to work things out here.

since evidence is the key, i reffer you to the case of Andy Uba which was established and persecuted in the usa of which this is confirmable by any means you want it. make your search via the internet through any usa site. the information you need are there.

i reffer you also to the state of our roads and power supply as it relates to obj's administration's budget and expenses which were all traceable to the fg balance sheets of the past eight years. the funds were mapped out paid to the various contractors so whatever the funds where paid for could be seen to be the same though i don't know if you use our roads.

i would also reffer you to the self confession of Chris uba to the nation as well as obj himself of mass rigging hoping you know too well that there will not be any act of rigging without giving and accepting of bribe.

please be informed that a confirmed report by nigerian police found six inec machines in the house of adedibu perior to the april polls. then what happened?

please do pass these few massages to our able efcc. tell them to make public obj's assets declaration of 1999 and today.

na waa, i hope you are not in the same boat with obj who does not read nigerian newspapers as you ask me to make it public.

which of these points is not in the news.

was the third term agenda not in the news? was atiku/obj case not in the news? which other public do u want from me?

I like reading newspapers and watching TV and current affairs etc. and i would like to say that I am well informed on domestic and international issues, and importantl I can read between lines even if not spell out fully.

Those Nigeria press with greatest of respect are true reflection of Nigerians. We like to turn opinion and innuendo into facts.

Take for instance the renovation of the current speakers of the National assembly residence, the Speaker's office requested for over N600 milion naira to do the renovation, just over N200 million was approved after due process, everyone started calling her names.

Look as a matter of my own thought process N200 million is a lot of money to renovate a property but if it pass due process or whatever they call it, all you can do is to refused to vote in those people in 4 years time or ask any of them to be impeached.

I do not hold brief for any of them including but not limited to OBJ or Yar Adua.

Like you and good majority of Nigerians, I want the country to move forward and I maintain my position, if you or anyone have a non fabricated evidence pass it on to EFCC and you will be suprised that RIbadu will take no Prisoner. What papers or opinion in any of the media to me doesn't mean too much as anybody can write what they like. Until we have a good Defamation law enforcement in Nigeria, everybody will write whatever they choose to write.

At the end of the day, our politicians are something else because we have a growing or 'babyish' democracy and it will take time before we can see real progress. The politicians are what they are because of the people and the sort of politics the people play. Money talks.

Did a lot of people not welcome Alams in Bayelsa after he has been convicted and release after 'serving his sentence'. What kind of people are that. So EFCC is not a tool of the government as some dodgy opposition want you to believe.

Our campaign should be on how to get our economy in the right shape, i.e Energy policy, Transport- rail and road Network then Air travels , the waterways.

Infact, I predict that if we get those two sector right we would grow our economy exponetially overnight because both family and business we have energy to power their equipments and we can travel to take our goods to trade and get to know each other in any part of the country.

Second stage will be Education and health, and our agric sector to feed our people on the cheap

Finally, diversification of our economy from Oil based solely.

Find evidence on any politicians and give it to the EFCC and see if they will not act. Other are just making out rumours to sound like facts.

May God continue to grant us wisdom and more understanding.

vigasimple:
Chidichris

it is very clear that you are ill informed about events.

I have tried so many times in the past to pass the same message across for tough luck so I try as much as I can to allow him continue to sing a song he enjoys so much.

When people allow unnecessary sentiments and stiff mindsets to guide their thought processes the results are always the same - "I must be right and everyone else must be wrong and anyone that disagrees with me must working for OBJ or Ribadu". God help us all.

Viga,
i wonder where in nigeria u live. u mentioned me not voting in the next four years. did u vote in the april polls or more importantly did they conduct election?
what reasons does a useless woman has to ask for 628 million naira for renovation. and why did okadigbo loose his position as a senate president. mind u, the presidency has asked for the renovation issue to be investigated while David mark is on the defensive position.
we are all aware that the amount the last administration spent on roads and electricity were all made public so if efcc is the organistaion we call them, they are surposed to ask how all the funds were spent on our roads yet they in their worst condition.
everything nigeria press write is rumour including the inec machines found in adedibu's house and the confession of chris uba over the rigging in anambra state.
in fact the third term issue was a rumour.
http://odili.net/news/source/2007/aug/26/805.html; this link will expose you to the latest on obj's wife in a financial mess-maybe a rumour.

read also:http://nm.onlinenigeria.com/templates/?a=9202&z=17,

http://www.nas-int.org/news/2006/AndyUbaMoney.html

http://nm.onlinenigeria.com/templates/?a=9130&z=5

http://nm.onlinenigeria.com/templates/?a=10490&z=5


http://www.ocnus.net/cgi-bin/exec/view.cgi?archive=106&num=27069

http://www.efccnigeria.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1099&Itemid=2


read through these links and let me know if u want more for ur efcc

TO , Chidchris


I am quite sure you have no manners.

To call someone else mother a 'useless woman' simply say what kind of person you are.

Imagine someone calling your mother that useless woman.

I have said that you should give all your facts and evidence to EFCC and write them and give them a correspondence address so that can reply all your correspondence and the result of their investigation.

It is sad that you are able to hide behind computer and the internet and abuse other people.

Write to the national assembly, the senate and the president and call that woman ' a useless woman' , you willfind yourself in court for defamation of character and abusive language/breach of peace.

I think you are not worth having a constructive argument with.

i wish u well.

@vigasimple

oviously it is either you are part and parcel of the looters or you must have benefited from the loots. How can you be asking for evidence when all the evidence are stirring at you from Power supply to bad road network in nigeria while the contracts for all these were awarded and paid for. I do not know your age but i guess you are not too old hence your sences are still functioning. Did you not hear about taurakis confession? did you not hear how the former Gov of Platue state explained how the Ecological fund was spent?. Coming to election OBJ and Yaradue himself accepted that the april election was marred with fraud yet somebody that is well informed both home and abroad still hold brief for the looters. We are still waiting for the prosecution of the remaning Govs as we all know that not only four of them were corrupt, the wait might be indefinite as am seeing it. it is very very strange.

To,

Presido 1,

The internet has brought out the worst in some people.

To insult others that are making their own contribution is clearly uncallled for .

I don't know how old are you yourselve, but your thought betray your age. Even if you are 100 years old, it is very clear that you did not act your age.(whatever that maybe)

In any event it is not about age, it is about constructive argument.

I am surprised that you live in the same Uk that i live and argue as if you don't see how democracy is approached and practised. Trading insult and innuendo is not facts.

I will say it again, if anyone has evidence of any wrong doing about anybody give it to EFCC and follow it up and stop yabbing on the internet becasue that will not get evidence to EFCC.

May God continue to grant us more wisdom.

It seems some of us don't even understand the meaning of the word evidence.

How can people point to poor road network or power supply as evidence that someone looted money?

The level of discussion is really discouraging and while I agree that a forum is meant to share or exchange ideas, it is certainly not an alternative to proper education.

'EFCC as atool'
for or against who or what?

afam,
it is obvious that the only govs that we have evidences against are the four on the death row.
we are telling u here that the roads have been on different occassions given out as contracts and have been paid for. did u not see in our news how the eight years expenditures on our roads were published.
were u not aware of andy uba's case of money laundary in the usa or did u not hear ribadu call it civil case?
why did obj allow chris uba to exist in anambra with much problems under chris ngige and he was arrested prior to his brother's election?
who is fooling who?
were u not a living witness of the imo pdp and their gubernitorial election? obj insisted that is either ugwu or nobody. was it not the decission of the court that ararume stand for pdp yet obj sole handedly and bold told us that pdp has no candidate in the state. are u not aware that the same ugwu is a minister now?
what is evidence mr gani?
have u not heard obj saying his regrets was in the area of power supply? is regret a positive stand?
what other evidence are we looking for when atiku has done it all? tell me why atiku is still a free man with all the evidences against him? obj is deeply involved.
u always claim to know it all but i have never seen you outline points in any of ur arguement if you doubt that reffer me to one.
mention ur points name them one by one to buttress ur points.
if not for obj's selection, who will ever give that woman such position to enable her use such amount of money in renovation in a country there in no power supply.
mr. wiseman, tell me why there is no good roads in nigeria, no power supply and no security. is it because there is no money or what?
what other evidence do we need when several of obj's contracts have been cancelled by yar adua and called them illegal. is illegal contracts lawful?
it is really unfortunate that i waste my time lecturing u for no cost. where is okadigbo and what happened to him. why was he eliminated from the senate president? your wiseness and knowledge can't be anything short of okadigbo's wiseness. you can't be far from jim nwaobodo and alex ekwueme.
tell me mr. wiseman, why did most of the founding fathers of pdp left the party?
how did obj become the chairman board of trustee of pdp?
you can answer any simple question as long i know u otherwise pick my questions and answer them and get back to me with ur questions as i will be here to lecture you the more.
nigerians were waiting for obj to live upto his campeign words of stablizing our power supply but he failed and a couple of months ayar adua campiegned with the same project so if at the end of the days, he fails, we will owe him no appology in saying that he is a failure.
who among the leaders are u ready to stand for in saying he is a saint? if there is non so why leaving some and prosecuting some and tell me the dictionary meaning of selective justice.
please tell me ur understanding of the untouchables and relate it to the case of nigerians politics from 1999 till date.

@vigasimple
My brother if ever you read my post well you will notice that i never insulted or called anybody any name, please be bold enough to point it out and i will appologise for doing so. You leave in UK as you said, do you or anybody in your neighbourhood use Power generator to generate electricity? do you drive on a pot holed road network? Did you not hear of when police quizzed Tony Blair for peerage scandal, Thats what Democracy is all about and not EFCC and their Gimmick. Let us not decive ourselves with eveidence as it will not be treated when you take it to them because they have it already. Ok if all the above will not serve as evidence what about Taurakis, Dariye and Atiku's confession.

Afam:
It seems some of us don't even understand the meaning of the word evidence.
How can people point to poor road network or power supply as evidence that someone looted money?
The level of discussion is really discouraging and while I agree that a forum is meant to share or exchange ideas, it is certainly not an alternative to proper education.

Please if the highlighted is not a channel to loot then you know how the money is looted and that concludes what i wrote in my first post. It does not suprise me that you are OBJ stunch supporter. If Bush and Saddam has supporters why not OBJ.
Remember this will affect our generation yet unborn if we keep on supporting the wrong doing of these politicians.

brothers,
among the thieves, sharing can be a problem.
let us hope that the few investigated looters are not having problems with sharing mode.
in the last presidential convention of pdp, obj warned odili to withdraw or face efcc. atiku had such option but was sturborn but odili decided to be a gentleman so who is asking for evidence?
rivers state is one of the highest earners in the country yet nothing to show for his eight years but for the simple fact that he was loyal, odili is yet to be harrassed.
efcc threatened to stop corrupt officials from contexting the april polls but what happened?
obj made it public that adedibu is too old to be reformed hence he urged the oyo people to manage and tolorate him. who is saying that vigasimple is living in london no way maybe u live in lond not london. a citizen too old to be reformed and as such he can do what ever he likes to the detriment of the people-shame unto u all supporters of evil.
a president of a nation telling his subjects that the election will be a do or die affairs-shame.
a former president saying he does not read the nation's newspapers - congrats.
why would anambra passed through hell in the hands of chris uba, an ordinary citizen overthrew an elected governor - shame unto u all in your nonsense search for evidence.
how come there is n o adedibu and chris uba is london?
when i look at these people, i begin to glorify kalu as a saint. why are we going after shadows instead of the real objects?
the traditional rulers in oyo have in various news conferences accused obj directly for the mayhem in the state so who am i to take the case to efcc? has obj denied? oh sorry he does not read nigerian papers but if ait reports situation on third term agenda, their office will see hell.
there is no issue between obj and kalu but among everyother airline in nigeria slok air(kalu's company) was the only one refused license.

chidichris:
brothers,
among the thieves, sharing can be a problem.
let us hope that the few investigated looters are not having problems with sharing mode.
in the last presidential convention of pdp, obj warned odili to withdraw or face efcc. atiku had such option but was sturborn but odili decided to be a gentleman so who is asking for evidence?
rivers state is one of the highest earners in the country yet nothing to show for his eight years but for the simple fact that he was loyal, odili is yet to be harrassed.
efcc threatened to stop corrupt officials from contexting the april polls but what happened?
obj made it public that adedibu is too old to be reformed hence he urged the oyo people to manage and tolorate him. who is saying that vigasimple is living in london no way maybe u live in lond not london. a citizen too old to be reformed and as such he can do what ever he likes to the detriment of the people-shame unto u all supporters of evil.
a president of a nation telling his subjects that the election will be a do or die affairs-shame.
a former president saying he does not read the nation's newspapers - congrats.
why would anambra passed through hell in the hands of chris uba, an ordinary citizen overthrew an elected governor - shame unto u all in your nonsense search for evidence.
how come there is n o adedibu and chris uba is london?
when i look at these people, i begin to glorify kalu as a saint. why are we going after shadows instead of the real objects?
the traditional rulers in oyo have in various news conferences accused obj directly for the mayhem in the state so who am i to take the case to efcc? has obj denied? oh sorry he does not read nigerian papers but if ait reports situation on third term agenda, their office will see hell.
there is no issue between obj and kalu but among everyother airline in nigeria slok air(kalu's company) was the only one refused license.

is he not leaving in UK?

pls am sure those who are looking for evidence for efcc shld contact atiku who has testified and implicate obj in most of his statements which he has back with enough evidences.
chris uba confessed rigging election before obj is that not evidence.
six inec machines were found in adedibu's house perior to april polls, is that not evidence?
andy uba was caught like alams was caught in london, is that not evidence?
obj made it public that adedibu is too old to be reformed, is that not evidence?
if all the above mentioned issues did not meet the evidence level of efcc, then let them tell nigerians how they got evidence with which they have been arresting and persecuting their victims who are 99.9999% of anti obj's third term/oposition.
in the whole obj ruled nigeria with atiku, he never knew atiku was a criminal until he reject third term and indicate interest in presidency.
what back ground does chris uba and his brother andy uba have in the history of nigeria?
why will nigerian soldiers be sent to rivers to maintain peace and order and chris ngige suffered all the troubles of chris uba without recieving any help from the federal gov. what happened in oyo did not concern fg so there was no need for fg to interven?
why is ribadu not asking questions on our roads and contracts given over them?
why is atiku's case silent till now? the main objective was to stop atiku from contexting. obj's neck will be on the line so atiku could be a free man forever yet wise men here are looking for evidence.
pls u come cut my , and show it to efcc as evidence

@topic
Sorry brother, it's a little bit too late to introduce this topic.
Where were you or where have you been? I've posted at least 5 topics regarding the selective arrest of EFCC and OBJ.
I fought dead heads for many months, did my best to open their minds, but of course many of these folks love to be bamboozled and brain-washed.
It doesn't take much for these same folks to start dancing behind total failure and unfair justice (Mr. EFCC and OBJ).
To me, EFFC is nothing but a pure political tool, a joke and a country wrecker. And absolutely has much more damages than anything constructive for Nigeria.
Are you telling me that out of 36 governors, only 5 of them are the bad fruits?

It makes me sick to my stomach when dead heads start dancing and singing glory songs behind EFCC; none of these folks is intelligent enough to understand the game and the real failure embedded within EFCC as an organization.


Stay cool while I dig out some old topics on this matter.