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You may want to wonder why those that experienced military rule does everything in their power to stand against military rule.
There exist a plethora of disadvantages of a military dictatorship and i will mention but a dew for the sake of reading

a. No respect for the fundamental human rights: fundamental human right are those rights which a person is entitled to only because of the fact that he is a human being. These various rights of the citizens of a country are usually enshrined in and protected by the constitution of that state, in Nigeria for instance Section 36 of the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (as amended) provides for the fundamental human rights of the Nigerian citizens and as a known fact, every millitary government starts their regime with a suspension of the constitution which goes ahead to leave the citizens open and unprotected from any inhuman treatment that the government may mete out to them.

b. No respect for the rule of law: the rule of law is the supremacy of the law over and above any government machinery or person and this essential ingredient of any government in existence is totally absent in any military government because starting from the way in which the head of state takes over power it is evident that he considers himself above the law.

c. No periodic election: in a military dispensation, there is usually no periodic election hence there is no change of government and the people continue to endure whatever oppression they have been suffering until another coup occurs and due to this, the leaders cannot be held to account to the people unlike in a democracy where a governor, president or other leader does well so that he may get a chance at a second tenure.

d. No checks and balances: there is usually no separation of power in a military dictatorship into the executive, judiciary and legislature, hence all powers are centralized at the apex who is the highest authority and power in the state. He can do whatever he pleases with no opposition or checks whatsoever, as it is said that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

e. Dictatorship: all military governments are a dictatorship as there is usually no room for any form of opinion, suggestion or opposition from the people.

This is just few of what to experience

C is the only thing different from APC's administration and a military dictatorship

No peaceful transition only through coup which is sometimes bloody

Nigeria should act fast and dislodged those miscreants in Niger and others

All these things you mentioned above are already happening in Nigeria

Sparrk007:
All these things you mentioned above are already happening in Nigeria

If it was in military rule, Buhari will not dialogue with NLC, infact NLC will not have the guts to stage a protest.
Idi Amin once collected someone's wife and lock up the man when he complained, that is what military dictatorship feels like.

The worst democratic govt is far better than military rule

...Sending troops to kill & maim ...leaving your own countrymen to abject poverty & illusions should be a priority then..

If you curse now, e go be like say one thing do two things

Wainey:
If it was in military rule, Buhari will not dialogue with NLC, infact NLC will not have the guts to stage a protest.
Idi Amin once collected someone's wife and lock up the man when he complained, that is what military dictatorship feels like.

The worst democratic govt is far better than military rule

Oga, all those things you listed happen on very rare occasions and can still happen in a bad civilian rule like Nigeria is having presently, but the items you listed on your topic and what you are saying here, what anyone should clamour for is having good leaders whether military or civilian.

I have witnessed 3 military regimes in my life, I can tell you that the difference in police and army brutality on the citizens is very little in difference.

I can tell you that Nigerians benefitted more from the government under the military regime than the civilian rule.

The cilvilian rule was supposed to benefit Nigerians more but thanks to corrupt and wicked politicians who ensured it did not, at least up till now, if you want the list of things Nigerians benefited from the military regime that the civilian rule has not really offered up till now, I will list them for you, just respond to this comment.

Nigerians were deceived by the likes of Tinubu and co....

Brendaniel:
Oga, all those things you listed happen on very rare occasions and can still happen in a bad civilian rule like Nigeria is having presently, but the items you listed on your topic and what you are saying here, what anyone should clamour for is having good leaders whether military or civilian.

I have witnessed 3 military regimes in my life, I can tell you that the difference in police and army brutality on the citizens is very little in difference.

I can tell you that Nigerians benefitted more from the government under the military regime than the civilian rule.

The cilvilian rule was supposed to benefit Nigerians more but thanks to corrupt and wicked politicians who ensured it did not, at least up till now, if you want the list of things Nigerians benefited from the military regime that the civilian rule has not really offered up till now, I will list them for you, just respond to this comment.

Nigerians were deceived by the likes of Tinubu and co....

You definitely did not see any military regime, if you did, you would have known that in military regime, the dictator rules till he dies or till another coup happens.

Buhari would have taken power through coup and rules you as he fits, if you complain, you will get killed. But here you have the guts to insult him and his wife cos he is a democratic leader.
corruption is not govt specific cos we had Abacha during military rule, there was Idi Amin, there was Sadam Hussein.
All these people are military dictators and are the worst leaders that has walked this Earth.

Tell them ooo.

Hatred no dey born better pikin.
Their hate filled actions will lead to their destruction.

Military government are the worst in the history of Nigeria corrupt wise

Babangida and Obasanjo chop Nigeria tire in Fela's voice

You only mentioned the bad side , how about the good part.

1. No Mc oluomo and his anti igbo venomous attacks.
2. No Asari Dokubo with his genocidal threats to wipe out igbos and reduce them to third class citizens.
3. The present lopsided federal ministerial nomination will be a bit balanced.
4. No section of the country will be continously vilified and attacked by any dim-witted group because of their political choices.
5. The present boko haram, fulani herdsmen and the meaningless sit at home will stop.

The worst democratic government is better than the best military government, but what we have now is worse than the worst military government

Wainey:
You definitely did not see any military regime, if you did, you would have known that in military regime, the dictator rules till he dies or till another coup happens.

Buhari would have taken power through coup and rules you as he fits, if you complain, you will get killed. But here you have the guts to insult him and his wife cos he is a democratic leader.
corruption is not govt specific cos we had Abacha during military rule, there was Idi Amin, there was Sadam Hussein.
All these people are military dictators and are the worst leaders that has walked this Earth.

Oga, I witnessed IBB's regime, Abachas's regime and Abdudusalam's regime, I witnessed the handover to civilian rule, at the time I thought a civilian rule will bring good to Nigerians, but now I found out that we were just deceived.

A good military leader is better than 100 bad civilian rulers even if rules for life, I can tell you certain things and information that happened during the military rule that you yourself cannot find on the internet and you can go crosscheck with government records of today.

I didn't just witness military rule, I lived with and around the government in power at the time, I saw a whole lot of things....

I can boldly tell anybody that Nigerians benefited more under military rule than the civilian rule we have had since 1999, the only persons who came close with benefits to the military rule was OBJ and Yaradua.

Tinubu and co were and still remain bunch of deceits, I now see why they were fighting Abacha, we all thought they loved Nigeria and Nigerians then....

kettykings:
You only mentioned the bad side , how about the good part.

1. No Mc oluomo and his anti igbo venomous attacks.
2. No Asari Dokubo with his genocidal threats to wipe out igbos and reduce them to third class citizens.
3. The present lopsided federal ministerial nomination will be a bit balanced.
4. No section of the country will be continously vilified and attacked by any dim-witted group because of their political choices.
5. The present boko haram, fulani herdsmen and the meaningless sit at home will stop.

The worst democratic government is better than the best military government, but what we have now is worse than the worst military government

Asari Dokubo genocidal threat? Lolz.

The biggest genocide Nigeria ever had was under a military rule.
One whole tribe was almost wiped out, till today we still felt the scar

Wainey:
Asari Dokubo genocidal threat? Lolz.

The biggest genocide Nigeria ever had was under a military rule.
One whole tribe was almost wiped out, till today we still felt the scar

I beg to disagree. No military ruler ever made such statement except during war. Unlike an ordinary civilian going around with guns and making threats against unarmed people .


How on earth are civilian gangs armed to the teeth and being used to victimize innocent people during election. This is far more oppressive than the worst military rule

Brendaniel:
Oga, I witnessed IBB's regime, Abachas's regime and Abdudusalam's regime, I witnessed the handover to civilian rule, at the time I thought a civilian rule will bring good to Nigerians, but now I found out that we were just deceived.

A good military leader is better than 100 bad civilian rulers even if rules for life, I can tell you certain things and information that happened during the military rule that you yourself cannot find on the internet and you can go crosscheck with government records of today.

I didn't just witness military rule, I lived with and around the government in power at the time, I saw a whole lot of things....

I can boldly tell anybody that Nigerians benefited more under military rule than the civilian rule we have had since 1999, the only persons who came close with benefits to the military rule was OBJ and Yaradua.

Tinubu and co were and still remain bunch of deceits, I now see why they were fighting Abacha, we all thought they loved Nigeria and Nigerians then....

I hate it when people mention OBJ and Yar'Adua in the list of good leaders.




Don't you know that the problems we are facing today are as a result of the foundation that OBJ laid.




Imagine that OBJ had fixed electricity, diversified away from oil, and reduced corruption, don't you think he would have set the pace for a better democratic era?




Obasanjo did absolutely nothing for 7 years. He did not fix electricity, and even supervised a privatization program that left us without a national carrier up till now. Their inclusion policies on education also destroyed our public universities who have all been falling in standard since then. Who can ever imagine that at a time, OAU was the second best university in Africa.




And then massive corruption under OBJ was there for all to see. From the electricity project that gulped millions of dollars and still failed to see the light of day. Up till now, no government has had the time to probe that uninterrupted electricity supply that OBJ promised would begin in December 31 that year.





As for Yar'Adua, his only goodwill was reducing pump price without embarking on any sustainable longterm plan of keeping the price low and stable. Just like his predecessor (OBJ), he had no plans for our comatose refineries and yet could not diversify away from oil. All he did was spend all our money on medical tourism abroad.




These two ineffectual leaders laid the rotten foundation for our currently struggling democracy. The likes of GEJ and Buhari struggled to make any impacts because of the rotten foundation they inherited from OBJ and Yar'Adua.

aremubabs:
I hate it when people mention OBJ and Yar'Adua in the list of good leaders.




Don't you know that the problems we are facing today are as a result of the foundation that OBJ laid.




Imagine that OBJ had fixed electricity, diversified away from oil, and reduced corruption, don't you think he would have set the pace for a better democratic era?




Obasanjo did absolutely nothing for 7 years. He did not fix electricity, and even supervised a privatization program that left us without a national carrier up till now. Their inclusion policies on education also destroyed our public universities who have all been falling in standard since then. Who can ever imagine that at a time, OAU was the second best university in Africa.




And then massive corruption under OBJ was there for all to see. From the electricity project that gulped millions of dollars and still failed to see the light of day. Up till now, no government has had the time to probe that uninterrupted electricity supply that OBJ promised would begin in December 31 that year.





As for Yar'Adua, his only goodwill was reducing pump price without embarking on any sustainable longterm plan of keeping the price low and stable. Just like his predecessor (OBJ), he had no plans for our comatose refineries and yet could not diversify away from oil. All he did was spend all our money on medical tourism abroad.




These two ineffectual leaders laid the rotten foundation for our currently struggling democracy. The likes of GEJ and Buhari struggled to make any impacts because of the rotten foundation they inherited from OBJ and Yar'Adua.

Oga, I never said OBJ's government was good, I only said Nigerians benefited more under OBJ and Yaradua compared to the people who came after them, and when you compare even the both of their regimes to that of the military, it still doesn't match the benefits that Nigerians got under the military regime....

Brendaniel:
Oga, I never said OBJ's government was good, I only said Nigerians benefited more under OBJ and Yaradua compared to the people who came after them, and when you compare even the both of their regimes to that of the military, it still doesn't match the benefits that Nigerians got under the military regime....

We didn't benefit anything from them.




Rather, they destroyed the little gains the military made.



They set the direction in which the country has walked in since then.




OBJ had only three jobs.




1. Fix electricity.


2. Combat corruption.


3. Repair refineries to maximize gains on crude oil while systematically reducing our dependence on oil.



He did nothing. All he did was create a few billionaires while destroying our middle class and impoverishing millions of others.




Yar'Adua came. Used 3 years using our money to sustain his failing health abroad.




The others (GEJ, Buhari, Tinubu) inherited a messed up economy that was not tailored to survive any slump in oil price.




OBJ was in the best position to reposition the country. He had massive goodwill from the international community and from Nigerians many of whom were probably witnessing democracy for the first time. But he failed woefully, unable to address any of our major problems.

aremubabs:
We didn't benefit anything from them.




Rather, they destroyed the little gains the military made.



They set the direction in which the country has walked in since then.




OBJ had only three jobs.




1. Fix electricity.


2. Combat corruption.


3. Repair refineries to maximize gains on crude oil while systematically reducing our dependence on oil.



He did nothing. All he did was create a few billionaires while destroying our middle class and impoverishing millions of others.




Yar'Adua came. Used 3 years using our money to sustain his failing health abroad.




The others (GEJ, Buhari, Tinubu) inherited a messed up economy that was not tailored to survive any slump in oil price.




OBJ was in the best position to reposition the country. He had massive goodwill from the international community and from Nigerians many of whom were probably witnessing democracy for the first time. But he failed woefully, unable to address any of our major problems.

So what you are trying to say is that if someone spoils something, it can never get better again, so if OBJ did a bad work, others after him cannot do better than him, Oga your logic is flawed...

Brendaniel:
So what you are trying to say is that if someone spoils something, it can never get better again, so if OBJ did a bad work, others after him cannot do better than him, Oga your logic is flawed...

What I am saying is that Obasanjo did a bad job.



Many Nigerians are fond of singling him out for praise while vilifying others that came after him. It will take many years for any one government to right the wrong of many years of mismanagement.

aremubabs:
What I am saying is that Obasanjo did a bad job.



Many Nigerians are fond of singling him out for praise while vilifying others that came after him. It will take many years for any one government to right the wrong of many years of mismanagement.

He did a bad job and Jonathan did a worse job and Buhari was a disaster and now Tinubu is a terrible disaster, OBJ was bad but still remains the best among the mentioned here...

Aremubabs and brendaniel that are saying we benefited more under the military are huge jokers!!
Do u know how many companies closed down under Abacha? Do u know how people could not even afford clothes? Do u know how many months salaries was routinely òwed?
If buhari last govt was military, don't you see d fulani would have over run the country by now?
The military & police brutality- are they not carry over from the military being in power for a long time?
Yes Obj could have done much better, but have u forgotten d fake drug menace his govt deal with , the debt relief, the banking recaps, pension reforms, the stock market reforms, intro of mobile telcos to the country?
I don't believe you when you say u were around in the military era except u have a very short memory

being:
Aremubabs and brendaniel that are saying we benefited more under the military are huge jokers!!
Do u know how many companies closed down under Abacha? Do u know how people could not even afford clothes? Do u know how many months salaries was routinely òwed?
If buhari last govt was military, don't you see d fulani would have over run the country by now?
The military & police brutality- are they not carry over from the military being in power for a long time?
Yes Obj could have done much better, but have u forgotten d fake drug menace his govt deal with , the debt relief, the banking recaps, pension reforms, the stock market reforms, intro of mobile telcos to the country?
I don't believe you when you say u were around in the military era except u have a very short memory

Do u know how many companies closed down under Abacha?

You mean fake banks that were littered all over Nigeria, Abacha was the first person to sanitize the banking sector, also the drug and cultism war, he created NDLEA and fought drugs seriously, we had textile industries and even tyre making companies like Dunlop and so on during the military, so many of them packed up during the civilian regime, Dunlop today is in Ghana.

Do u know how people could not even afford clothes?

And how many people can still afford clothes in today's government?
The purchasing power of Nigerians under Abacha is still higher than all the civilian regimes since 1999, if you want raw data on that I will bring it here for you, just make the request.....

If buhari last govt was military, don't you see d fulani would have over run the country by now?

It is very obvious you did not experience any military rule, ask anybody old enough at that time if there was anything like Fulani attacks in any part of Nigeria or bandits or militants, people travelled at night in those days, security was way better, it was until democracy in 1999 we started hearing of militants and since that time it hasn't changed instead got worse, Abacha would have crushed anything that posed a threat in his government.


The military & police brutality- are they not carry over from the military being in power for a long time?

And what have all the civilian governments done about it, instead they only made the rich have their way with the same police and army as escort and hand bag and umbrella carriers while others are still brutalized anyhow, in the military time at least it was different because the brutality was felt by everyone, if a whole Abiola who was the richest man then could be affected then it would have been a serious concern today if the rich were also affected today in a civilian rule, so what is the poor who make a majority of Nigerians benefiting from the civilian regime against police and army brutality because now even the rich now pay the military to brutalize the poor too and no one is doing anything about it..


Yes Obj could have done much better, but have u forgotten d fake drug menace his govt deal with , the debt relief, the banking recaps, pension reforms, the stock market reforms, intro of mobile telcos to the country?

Yes if you read my first comment well, you will see where I said OBJ came close to what Nigerians benefited from the military, so I acknowledged that, even at that most of these things would have still come because the world started becoming a global village after 1999, the Y2K effect, the advancement of technology and so on, are there not other countries ruled by the military that have all these things you mentioned?...

Aside from C which has to do with periodic elections are Nigerians not currently experiencing all you listed their? Do our politicians respect the rule of Law, are we practicing what's on the constitution? Can we freely express our rights without DSS harassing the living daylights outta you? My dear the only thing I am against about military regime is Sanctions from the West because we heavily depend on them for virtually everything. So it would be suicidal for us to slide back to Military regime except no sanctions. For me Nigeria doesn't deserve democracy or what we are practicing. Military are far more discipline than civilians the only problem with it today is that they've been corrupted by politicians

Only kids that know nothing about military rule are advocating for it.

shortgun:
C is the only thing different from APC's administration and a military dictatorship

FACT!

Wainey:
You may want to wonder why those that experienced military rule does everything in their power to stand against military rule.
There exist a plethora of disadvantages of a military dictatorship and i will mention but a dew for the sake of reading

a. No respect for the fundamental human rights: fundamental human right are those rights which a person is entitled to only because of the fact that he is a human being. These various rights of the citizens of a country are usually enshrined in and protected by the constitution of that state, in Nigeria for instance Section 36 of the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria (as amended) provides for the fundamental human rights of the Nigerian citizens and as a known fact, every millitary government starts their regime with a suspension of the constitution which goes ahead to leave the citizens open and unprotected from any inhuman treatment that the government may mete out to them.

b. No respect for the rule of law: the rule of law is the supremacy of the law over and above any government machinery or person and this essential ingredient of any government in existence is totally absent in any military government because starting from the way in which the head of state takes over power it is evident that he considers himself above the law.

c. No periodic election: in a military dispensation, there is usually no periodic election hence there is no change of government and the people continue to endure whatever oppression they have been suffering until another coup occurs and due to this, the leaders cannot be held to account to the people unlike in a democracy where a governor, president or other leader does well so that he may get a chance at a second tenure.

d. No checks and balances: there is usually no separation of power in a military dictatorship into the executive, judiciary and legislature, hence all powers are centralized at the apex who is the highest authority and power in the state. He can do whatever he pleases with no opposition or checks whatsoever, as it is said that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

e. Dictatorship: all military governments are a dictatorship as there is usually no room for any form of opinion, suggestion or opposition from the people.

Similar things are being experienced presently.
There are more extrajudicial killings during civilian rule compared to military regime in Nigeria. There are more corruption during civilian rule compared to military rule.

Khaki is very different from leather ó!
Infringement of right in a democracy is very different from suspension of rights in a military regime! Don't wish to be in a worse situation o

sweerychick:
Aside from C which has to do with periodic elections are Nigerians not currently experiencing all you listed their? Do our politicians respect the rule of Law, are we practicing what's on the constitution? Can we freely express our rights without DSS harassing the living daylights outta you? My dear the only thing I am against about military regime is Sanctions from the West because we heavily depend on them for virtually everything. So it would be suicidal for us to slide back to Military regime except no sanctions. For me Nigeria doesn't deserve democracy or what we are practicing. Military are far more discipline than civilians the only problem with it today is that they've been corrupted by politicians

Go and check again, dunlop,michelin etc closed under d Abacha era... there was no textile company by the time Abacha died in 1998. There was nothing working.. salaries were not being paid.
When I mentioned fulani and d last govt, I'm talking particularly about gmb who had such fulani ambition-- u think with all d body Language of gmb, if he was a military president, he won't have RUGARISED your village? or even clear u off your land? Would there be any state govt opposition?
Hw can u possibly compare OBJ time to abacha period-- u must really have a short memory or your father was part ofd d govt then

Brendaniel:
Do u know how many companies closed down under Abacha?

You mean fake banks that were littered all over Nigeria, Abacha was the first person to sanitize the banking sector, also the drug and cultism war, he created NDLEA and fought drugs seriously, we had textile industries and even tyre making companies like Dunlop and so on during the military, so many of them packed up during the civilian regime, Dunlop today is in Ghana.

Do u know how people could not even afford clothes?

And how many people can still afford clothes in today's government?
The purchasing power of Nigerians under Abacha is still higher than all the civilian regimes since 1999, if you want raw data on that I will bring it here for you, just make the request.....

If buhari last govt was military, don't you see d fulani would have over run the country by now?

It is very obvious you did not experience any military rule, ask anybody old enough at that time if there was anything like Fulani attacks in any part of Nigeria or bandits or militants, people travelled at night in those days, security was way better, it was until democracy in 1999 we started hearing of militants and since that time it hasn't changed instead got worse, Abacha would have crushed anything that posed a threat in his government.


The military & police brutality- are they not carry over from the military being in power for a long time?

And what have all the civilian governments done about it, instead they only made the rich have their way with the same police and army as escort and hand bag and umbrella carriers while others are still brutalized anyhow, in the military time at least it was different because the brutality was felt by everyone, if a whole Abiola who was the richest man then could be affected then it would have been a serious concern today if the rich were also affected today in a civilian rule, so what is the poor who make a majority of Nigerians benefiting from the civilian regime against police and army brutality because now even the rich now pay the military to brutalize the poor too and no one is doing anything about it..


Yes Obj could have done much better, but have u forgotten d fake drug menace his govt deal with , the debt relief, the banking recaps, pension reforms, the stock market reforms, intro of mobile telcos to the country?

Yes if you read my first comment well, you will see where I said OBJ came close to what Nigerians benefited from the military, so I acknowledged that, even at that most of these things would have still come because the world started becoming a global village after 1999, the Y2K effect, the advancement of technology and so on, are there not other countries ruled by the military that have all these things you mentioned?...

being:
Go and check again, dunlop,michelin etc closed under d Abacha era... there was no textile company by the time Abacha died in 1998. There was nothing working.. salaries were not being paid.
When I mentioned fulani and d last govt, I'm talking particularly about gmb who had such fulani ambition-- u think with all d body Language of gmb, if he was a military president, he won't have RUGARISED your village? or even clear u off your land? Would there be any state govt opposition?
Hw can u possibly compare OBJ time to abacha period-- u must really have a short memory or your father was part ofd d govt then

Everything you wrote here are all lies, tell me if people went on strike during Abacha's time, was it not during OBJ's time, Abacha owe salary ?

see lies now....

exactly what we are suffering today, if not worse.

Brendaniel:
He did a bad job and Jonathan did a worse job and Buhari was a disaster and now Tinubu is a terrible disaster, OBJ was bad but still remains the best among the mentioned here...

How is he the best?



Explain, please.