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Re: ******************************* by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:35am On Oct 30, 2023

Aemmyjah:
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The great tribulation has begun so my brother it's the last hour!

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Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 8:02pm On Oct 30, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
There you go again reading without grasping!

@ Matthew chapter 10 and Luke chapter 22

In those verses you quoted Jesus was talking to his own disciples not preaching to strangers and the sword he told them to buy isn't physical swords otherwise it would have been on record that Jesus disciples also killed people!

You were not there with the invented Jesus christ to know what he meant. So how can you grasp who the real Jesus was when Isreal was a war zone at that time with these kinds of men walking about. Even one of his diciples was a zealot.

There are historical records that extremists among the Jewish Zealots turned to terrorism and assassination and became known as Sicarii (Greek sikarioi, “dagger men”). They frequented public places with hidden daggers to strike down persons friendly to the Roman empire occupying their land Israel 2000 years ago] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Zealot

Re: ******************************* by Kobojunkie: 8:12pm On Oct 30, 2023

MindHacker9009:
■ You were not there with the invented Jesus christ to know what he meant. So how can you grasp who the real Jesus was when Isreal was a war zone at that time with these kinds of men walking about. Even one of his diciples was a zealot.
There are historical records that extremists among the Jewish Zealots turned to terrorism and assassination and became known as Sicarii (Greek sikarioi, “dagger men”). They frequented public places with hidden daggers to strike down persons friendly to the Roman empire occupying their land Israel 2000 years ago] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Zealot

See this mumuni abeg! So because a bunch of Jews took to using terrorist tactics in attacking those occupying their land, after over 500 years of back-to-back occupations, you take it to mean it was Jesus Christ who organized them and sent them to attack the Romans? Worse, you also suggest it had to do with Islam which has absolutely no connection to the land of Judae which the Jews fought for nor to Jesus Christ who came over 600 years before it. undecided

Re: ******************************* by meobizy(m): 8:29pm On Oct 30, 2023

Kobojunkie:
See this mumuni abeg! So because a bunch of Jews took to using terrorist tactics in attacking those occupying their land, after over 500 years of back-to-back occupations, you take it to mean it was Jesus Christ who organized them and sent them to attack the Romans? Worse, you also suggest it had to do with Islam which has absolutely no connection to the land of Judae which the Jews fought for nor to Jesus Christ who came over 600 years before it.

“Life Is Short. Make Sure You Spend As Much Time As Possible on the Internet Arguing with Strangers.”

Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 8:31pm On Oct 30, 2023

Kobojunkie:
See this mumuni Kobojunkie abeg! So because a bunch of Jews took to using terrorist tactics in attacking those occupying their land, after over 500 years of back-to-back occupations, you take it to mean it was Jesus Christ who organized them and sent them to attack the Romans? Worse, you also suggest it had to do with Islam which has absolutely no connection to the land of Judae which the Jews fought for nor to Jesus Christ who came over 600 years before it.

You are the mumuni if not you will know that this was the real Jesus in the first century
BY FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS:
But before he could speak to them, the most warlike of the
insurgents made a sally upon them with their arms ; their leader
was one whose name was Jesus, the son of Shaphat, the captain
of a band of robbers."
"Jesus and his men led off to the city, and rejoiced as if
they had taken them in battle and not by surprise.
Now the elders of the people, and such as seemed
of principal authority among them, fearing what would be
the issue of the matter, fled to the camp of the Romans :
and taking their king mth them, fell down before Vespa-
sian as suppliants, and besought him not to despise
them, nor to impute the madness of a few to the whole
city, but to spare a people that had ever been friendly to
the Romans, and to bring the authors of this revolt to
punishment, who had hitherto so watched them, that
though they had long been anxious to give the Romans the
security of their right hands, they had not yet found an
opportunity to do so." - The Jewish war 1st Century
https://ia800309.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924074297205/cu31924074297205.pdf

And not this invented one you are worshipping today.
But this superman Jesus christ is an invention as FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS was not even born when this event he wrote about happened.
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, 9 those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day;"

Re: ******************************* by Kobojunkie: 8:53pm On Oct 30, 2023

MindHacker9009:
■ You are the mumuni if not you will know that this was the real Jesus in the first century BY FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS:
But before he could speak to them, the most warlike of the
insurgents made a sally upon them with their arms ; their leader
was one whose name was Jesus, the son of Shaphat, the captain
of a band of robbers."
"Jesus and his men led off to the city, and rejoiced as if
they had taken them in battle and not by surprise.
Now the elders of the people, and such as seemed
of principal authority among them, fearing what would be
the issue of the matter, fled to the camp of the Romans :
and taking their king mth them, fell down before Vespa-
sian as suppliants, and besought him not to despise
them, nor to impute the madness of a few to the whole
city, but to spare a people that had ever been friendly to
the Romans, and to bring the authors of this revolt to
punishment, who had hitherto so watched them, that
though they had long been anxious to give the Romans the
security of their right hands, they had not yet found an
opportunity to do so." - The Jewish war 1st Century
https://ia800309.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924074297205/cu31924074297205.pdf
And not this invented one you are worshipping today. But this superman Jesus christ is an invention as FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS was not even born when this event he wrote about happened. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, 9 those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day;"

First you propose that out of all the Jesus characters mentioned in the book, the one called Jesus Son of Shaphat, leader of a robbery gang, who Josephus noted operated during the time of Vespasian — 69 -79 AD — had to be the same Jesus Christ who was born and recorded to have died in the earlier parts of that century, then you assert that rather than that the same Josephus whose content you quote from must have created the Jesus Christ character that lived during the early parts of the century. Your own kind reasoning... dey levels wey person no suppose go at all. lipsrsealed

Re: ******************************* by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:31pm On Oct 30, 2023

MindHacker9009:
You were not there with the invented Jesus christ to know what he meant. So how can you grasp who the real Jesus was when Isreal was a war zone at that time with these kinds of men walking about. Even one of his diciples was a zealot. There are historical records that extremists among the Jewish Zealots turned to terrorism and assassination and became known as Sicarii (Greek sikarioi, “dagger men”). They frequented public places with hidden daggers to strike down persons friendly to the Roman empire occupying their land Israel 2000 years ago] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Zealot

Before you know we have known but that doesn't make us weapon carriers no matter how evil people like you think Jehovah's Witnesses will ever remain harmless as doves! Matthew 10:16

Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 2:54pm On Oct 31, 2023

Kobojunkie:
First you propose that out of all the Jesus characters mentioned in the book, the one called Jesus Son of Shaphat, leader of a robbery gang, who Josephus noted operated during the time of Vespasian — 69 -79 AD — had to be the same Jesus Christ who was born and recorded to have died in the earlier parts of that century, then you assert that rather than that the same Josephus whose content you quote from must have created the Jesus Christ character that lived during the early parts of the century. Your own kind reasoning... dey levels wey person no suppose go at all.

Now ask youself this: Why will Josephus a priest when he led the Jewish resistance in AD 66, put up an armed resistance against the Roman empire in AD 66 if he truly believed in the fictional superman Jesus christ he wrote about later in AD 95?

FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS was not even born when this fictional event he wrote about happened.
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, 9 those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day;"

Re: ******************************* by Kobojunkie: 3:00pm On Oct 31, 2023

MindHacker9009:
■ Now ask youself this: Why will Josephus a priest when he led the Jewish resistance in AD 66, put up an armed resistance against the Roman empire in AD 66 if he truly believed in the fictional superman Jesus christ he wrote about later in AD 95?
■ FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS was not even born when this fictional event he wrote about happened.
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, 9 those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day;"

1. Why in the world would I need to ask such an obviously stewpid question for crying out loud? And where in the world do you get the idea that man believed in Jesus Christ, to begin with? undecided

2. Please go get your head examined abeg because all of these claims you make against the man Josephus make no sense of any kind. The book you quoted contains his account of events from the time of Caesar up until about the close of the first century, nothing else. Your conclusion that he believed this and that are all yours since there is no indication that he did. The only thing one can draw from the book is that Flavius was a Jew who happened to be a Historian. undecided

Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 3:17pm On Oct 31, 2023

Kobojunkie:
1. Why in the world would I need to ask such an obviously stewpid question for crying out loud? And where in the world do you get the idea that man believed in Jesus Christ, to begin with?

2. Please go get your head examined abeg because all of these claims you make against the man Josephus make no sense of any kind. The book you quoted contains his account of events from the time of Caesar up until about the close of the first century, nothing else. Your conclusion that he believed this and that are all yours since there is no indication that he did. The only thing one can draw from the book is that Flavius was a Jew who happened to be a Historian.

It's a very sensible question. You are the one that should get your head examined and rebooted.

Josephus was a Jew and priest before AD 66 when he led a resistance against Rome in Judea. This means if he truly believes a fellow Jew rose up the third day just a few decades before in AD 33, then obviously he would have been a strong follower of Jesus christ and would never have picked up arms against the Roman empire.

Re: ******************************* by Kobojunkie: 3:20pm On Oct 31, 2023

MindHacker9009:
■ It's a very sensible question. You are the one that should get your head examined and rebooted. Josephus was a Jew and priest before AD 66 when he led a resistance against Rome in Judea. This means if he truly believes a fellow Jew rose up the third day, then obviously he would have been a strong follower of Jesus Christ and would never have picked up arms against the Roman empire.

The more you open up, the more you reveal how twisted your reasoning indeed is. So, even the Jews who killed Jesus Christ, and His followers also believed in Him, Jesus Christ? undecided

So, all Jews who accept the stories told them of how God brought them out of Egypt, parted the Red Sea, and so forth, all believe in and obey God? Are you for real? undecided

Re: ******************************* by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:38pm On Oct 31, 2023

MindHacker9009:
Now ask youself this: Why will Josephus a priest when he led the Jewish resistance in AD 66, put up an armed resistance against the Roman empire in AD 66 if he truly believed in the fictional superman Jesus christ he wrote about later in AD 95?

Josephus is not a believer in Jesus but he never denied Jesus' existence nor his group.
So think well! wink

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Re: ******************************* by Maynman: 3:39pm On Oct 31, 2023

MindHacker9009:
I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Is Jesus a soldier here?

Nah, he was a sicarii.
The Greek word used in that verse specifically means a Dagger 🗡️.

Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 6:56pm On Oct 31, 2023

Maynman:
Nah, he was a sicarii.
The Greek word used in that verse specifically means a Dagger 🗡️.

That's why Peter had one on him ready and he did not waste anytime in pulling it out when the Roman soldiers came for his master Jesus christ

Re: ******************************* by Maynman: 7:01pm On Oct 31, 2023

MindHacker9009:
That's why Peter had one on him ready and he did not waste anytime in pulling it out when the Roman soldiers came for his master Jesus christ

💯.
Peter is called Son of Johah, that's Simon Bariona 😉

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Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 7:09pm On Oct 31, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Am i the owner of the teaching?

Why are you so dumb MaxInDHouse?
Jesus is the OWNER of the teaching so what he said about tearing families apart has affected me too so how do you expect me to say what the owner said when the command he gave me was to make peace with everyone?

So where did Peter get the sword he pulled out on the Roman soldiers when they came for his master and did your master Jesus christ change Peter's cloak to a sword?
How come Jesus did not know Peter was carrying a sword?

MaxInDHouse:
If MaxInDHouse is not a fool can any court of law convict a person who uttered what Jesus said without using weapons against anyone?

Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 7:25pm On Oct 31, 2023*

Kobojunkie:
The more you open up, the more you reveal how twisted Kobojunkie reasoning indeed is. So, even the Jews who killed Jesus Christ, and His followers also believed in Him, Jesus Christ?

So, all Jews who accept the stories told them of how God brought them out of Egypt, parted the Red Sea, and so forth, all believe in and obey God? Are you for real?

@Kobojunkie So if you were the one writing history now, would you say that because MaxInDHouse's organisation says Jesus christ came back in 1914 and for this reason you will write that Jesus christ actually came back in 1914?
Do you now see how twisted your reasoning indeed is?

@MaxInDHouse There were many Jesus in the first century, but if there was one that rose up on the third day and Josephus believed he truly rose up on the third day, why then will he not believe and become his follower? Did the Jews believe he will rise up on the third day?
So you are the one that needs to think well!

MaxInDHouse:
Josephus is not a believer in Jesus but he never denied Jesus' existence nor his group.
So MaxInDHouse think well!

Re: ******************************* by Kobojunkie: 7:42pm On Oct 31, 2023

MindHacker9009:
■ So if you were the one writing history now, would you say that because JW organisation says Jesus christ came back in 1914 and for this reason you will write that Jesus christ actually came back in 1914?
■ Do you now see how twisted your mind is?

You no dey reason things well, that na your major problem. undecided

Flavius Josephus is written to have been born in Judae only a couple of years after the death of Jesus Christ, so he must have heard a lot about the man Jesus Christ. Add to this the fact that, growing up, Josephus must have been surrounded by people who were not only healed but also bore witness to the many miracles done by the man Jesus Christ, and then His disciples, what exactly did you think Josephus would have written of when he finally decided to write about the Jews during that time? As a priest, Josephus must have had access to the records of the many lepers, and unclean people who must have had to approach the priesthood in order to be certified "clean" according to the Law of Moses, after being healed by Jesus Christ. (Lepers and other unclean elements in the Nation who were no longer unclean were required to approach the Priests in the Temple before they could be certified clean and able to live among the others in the land.) Did you really expect him to deny it all or what? Much the same way he wrote of the person of Caesar and Augustus, whom he also never met, he wrote also about Jesus Christ based on accounts from those who probably did or had records of such. undecided

2. You need to work hard on resolving the way you reason. undecided

Re: ******************************* by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:24pm On Oct 31, 2023

MindHacker9009:
So where did Peter get the sword he pulled out on the Roman soldiers when they came for his master and did your master Jesus christ change Peter's cloak to a sword?
How come Jesus did not know Peter was carrying a sword?

Ọ̀DẸ́GBẸ̀! cheesy

The Bible said Jesus is aware of the two swords they hard which means peter has one and another disciple also has. Luke 22:38
So you are just a fool trying to misconstrue what is written with common and practical sense! wink

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Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 8:28pm On Oct 31, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Ọ̀DẸ́GBẸ̀! MaxInDHouse
The Bible said Jesus is aware of the two swords they hard which means peter has one and another disciple also has. Luke 22:38
So MaxInDHouse is just a fool trying to misconstrue what is written with common and practical sense!

Re: ******************************* by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:35pm On Oct 31, 2023

MindHacker9009:
@MaxInDHouse There were many Jesus in the first century, but if there was one that rose up on the third day and Josephus believed he truly rose up on the third day, why then will he not believe and become his follower? Did the Jews believe his will rise up on the third day?
So you are the one that needs to think well!

Ọ̀DẸ́GBẸ̀! grin

Only his disciples knew about his resurrection unbelieving Jews only noticed that his disciples were active after his death but they were scared to act during his lifetime and that was because God's Holy Spirit empowered them:

But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

So the Jews generally think his disciples made it all up regarding his resurrection because the Jewish rulers lied that his disciples came to steal his body:

While they were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests all the things that had happened. And after these had gathered with the elders and had consulted together, they gave a considerable number of silver pieces to the soldiers and said: “Say, ‘His disciples came in the night and stole him while we were sleeping.’ And if this gets to the governor’s ears, we will explain the matter to him and you will not need to worry.” So they took the silver pieces and did as they were instructed, and this story has been spread abroad among the Jews up to this very day! Matthew 28:11-15

So Josephus had the same thing nor the truth about Jesus' resurrection! wink

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Re: ******************************* by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:37pm On Oct 31, 2023

No matter what you think i will continue to prove to you that Jesus of Nazareth is the real Messiah!

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Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 9:10pm On Nov 01, 2023

@MaxInDHouse

The Jews don't know the guy called Jesus christ or his ressurection, what they heard about him is what christains tell them. Josephus wrote what he wrote about the christ because the Roman empire made him to write it and today you are using it to deceive those that are gullible.
If the Jews believed a man rose the third day then the Jews will not be waiting for a true Messiah to come.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọ̀DẸ́GBẸ̀! MaxInDHouse

Only his disciples knew about his resurrection unbelieving Jews only noticed that his disciples were active after his death but they were scared to act during his lifetime and that was because God's Holy Spirit empowered them:

But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

So the Jews generally think his disciples made it all up regarding his resurrection because the Jewish rulers lied that his disciples came to steal his body:

While they were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests all the things that had happened. And after these had gathered with the elders and had consulted together, they gave a considerable number of silver pieces to the soldiers and said: “Say, ‘His disciples came in the night and stole him while we were sleeping.’ And if this gets to the governor’s ears, we will explain the matter to him and you will not need to worry.” So they took the silver pieces and did as they were instructed, and this story has been spread abroad among the Jews up to this very day! Matthew 28:11-15

So Josephus had the same thing nor the truth about Jesus' resurrection!

Re: ******************************* by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:29pm On Nov 01, 2023

MindHacker9009:
@MaxInDHouse
The Jews don't know the guy called Jesus christ or his ressurection, what they heard about him is what christains tell them. Josephus wrote what he wrote about the christ because the Roman empire made him to write it and today you are using it to deceive those that are gullible. If the Jews believed a man rose the third day then the Jews will not be waiting for a true Messiah to come.

I've forgotten you're not an intelligent officer or politician.

Well there are lots and lots of secrets hidden from the masses that only those in top positions knows not the masses.

The Pharisees bribed the soldiers to lie that Jesus' disciples came to steal his body at night so if you're not a member of the Pharisee in the first century how can you know such?

Even though there were other schools of thought like Scribes and Sadducees they can't know what actually happened to Jesus since the Pharisees who are the rulers have spoken what they want their people to believe.

Jesus' disciples too don't know how the soldiers came about the lies it was God's Holy Spirit that revealed to those inspired what actually happened.

So try to reason from both sides don't just close your heart to one side then expecting everyone to follow your thinking it doesn't show sincerity on your part!

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Re: ******************************* by SIRTee15: 9:37pm On Nov 01, 2023

MindHacker9009:
@Kobojunkie So if you were the one writing history now, would you say that because MaxInDHouse's organisation says Jesus christ came back in 1914 and for this reason you will write that Jesus christ actually came back in 1914?
Do you now see how twisted your reasoning indeed is?

@MaxInDHouse There were many Jesus in the first century, but if there was one that rose up on the third day and Josephus believed he truly rose up on the third day, why then will he not believe and become his follower? Did the Jews believe he will rise up on the third day?
So you are the one that needs to think well!

Thank God another person is showing u the error of your twisted logic. We've had this discussion multiple times but always end up in limbo.
U fond of making a claim out of nothing but yet expect the rest of us to accept and defend it.
U can now see such logic makes no sense.
That was how u claimed the Romans stole the scrolls from Jerusalem, wrote a new one and gifted it to the synagogue. Then u called me to defend the claim when I never told u I believe the statement in first place.

Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 9:52pm On Nov 01, 2023*

@MaxInDHouse
@SIRTee15

Think about these items below:

1. Why did the invented Jesus christ ask his father to forgive the Roman soldiers that crucified him. Answer because he was inveted by Roman empire so he could not say anything bad about the Roman empire. If it was the Jews that nailed him to the cross would he have asked his father to forgive them, the anwer is no he would have told them they are going to the hottest part of hell.
Jesus is happy for his own people to burn in hell forever because they don't believe his is the invented messiah, but the Roman soldiers that crucified him are free from this purnishment.

2. Why did the invented Jesus christ tell his followers to give to Ceaser what is Ceaser. Answer because he was inveted by Roman empire.
Jesus never mentioned that the Romans will go to hell for occupying the land of Isreal but he was happy for his own people to go to hell.

3. Why should slaves fear the invented christ like they fear their earthly master. Answer because the invented Jesus christ is a tool to control the minds of people.

You are only deceiving gullible people with your invented Jesus christ and you know that

God Almghty of the Old Testment that gave Moses the Ten Commandments is the only true God and not the invented god of the New Testament created by the Roman empire.

MaxInDHouse:
I've forgotten you're not an intelligent officer or politician.

Well there are lots and lots of secrets hidden from the masses that only those in top positions knows not the masses.

The Pharisees bribed the soldiers to lie that Jesus' disciples came to steal his body at night so if you're not a member of the Pharisee in the first century how can you know such?

Even though there were other schools of thought like Scribes and Sadducees they can't know what actually happened to Jesus since the Pharisees who are the rulers have spoken what they want their people to believe.

Jesus' disciples too don't know how the soldiers came about the lies it was God's Holy Spirit that revealed to those inspired what actually happened.

So try to reason from both sides don't just close your heart to one side then expecting everyone to follow your thinking it doesn't show sincerity on your part!

SIRTee15:
Thank God another person is showing u the error of your twisted logic. We've had this discussion multiple times but always end up in limbo.
U fond of making a claim out of nothing but yet expect the rest of us to accept and defend it.
U can now see such logic makes no sense.
That was how u claimed the Romans stole the scrolls from Jerusalem, wrote a new one and gifted it to the synagogue. Then u called me to defend the claim when I never told u I believe the statement in first place.

Re: ******************************* by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:17am On Nov 02, 2023

MindHacker9009:
1. Why did Jesus christ ask his father to forgive the Roman soldiers that crucified him?

Because that is what he taught his disciples:

“But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you" Luke 6:26-27

Moreover the Roman soldiers were acting on instructions they don't know Jesus neither did they know any crime he committed to be tortured so just like their governor Pontius Pilate they are innocent regarding what is happening! Matthew 27:24

MindHacker9009:
2. Why did Jesus christ tell his followers to give to Ceaser what is Ceaser?

They are those in authority responsible for the security, maintenance of peace, building of roads and many other social amenities that those under their jurisdiction are enjoying.
So going by what he taught his disciples they must obey those in authority! Matthew 5:41

MindHacker9009:
3. Why should slaves fear christ like they fear their earthly master.

Quote where you got this!

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Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 1:50pm On Nov 02, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Because that is what he taught his disciples:
“But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you" Luke 6:26-27
Moreover the Roman soldiers were acting on instructions they don't know Jesus neither did they know any crime he committed to be tortured so just like their governor Pontius Pilate they are innocent regarding what is happening! Matthew 27:24

But he could not forgive Judas, his own disciple even though Judas was just fulfilling the prophecy the invented Jesus christ said would happen. What if Judas was the one that actually nailed him to the cross, the invented Jesus christ would have called down brimstone on Judas.
How were the soldiers innocent when they mocked him, spat on him and cast lots for his garments? So you mean soldiers will not go to the hell the invented Jesus christ talked about, if they do bad to others?
The invented Jesus was happy his own people are going to hell for not believing his is a fake messiah. But he never mentioned that the Romans are going to hell for the bad they were doing in his nation Isreal.

Matthew 27:27-31
The Soldiers Mock Jesus
27 Then the governor’s soldiers took Jesus into the Praetorium and gathered the whole company of soldiers around him. 28 They stripped him and put a scarlet robe on him, 29 and then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand. Then they knelt in front of him and mocked him. “Hail, king of the Jews!” they said. 30 They spit on him, and took the staff and struck him on the head again and again. 31 After they had mocked him, they took off the robe and put his own clothes on him. Then they led him away to crucify him.

MaxInDHouse:
They are those in authority responsible for the security, maintenance of peace, building of roads and many other social amenities that those under their jurisdiction are enjoying.
So going by what he taught his disciples they must obey those in authority! Matthew 5:41

You are wrong! Israel already had a civilised nation at the time and the Romans were only able to conquer them because they were outnumbered by the Roman soldiers as war at that time was by numbers and even so the Isrealites gave Rome their toughest war ever.

The Romans were in Isreal to make the Isrealites labour for them and the take their wealth away in the form of taxes to Rome.

MaxInDHouse:
Quote where you got this!

Okay let me teach you. It's here: Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Re: ******************************* by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:06pm On Nov 02, 2023

MindHacker9009:
But he could not forgive Judas

Judas committed suicide out of shame and grief both Judas and Peter betrayed him the only difference is that one did due to fear while the other due to the love of money.
So Judas' love for money destroyed him! 1Timothy 6:6-10

MindHacker9009:
You are wrong! Israel already had a civilised nation.

Who civilized Israel?
Before they were taking to Babylon Israel was no longer a united nation because ten tribes has been scattered throughout Asia minor.
So who civilized Israel before Rome?

MindHacker9009:
Okay let me teach you. It's here: Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Paul was talking about Christians who are slaves under their Christian owners they're not to see themselves as equals to those that bought them simply because at Christian meetings they do things in common.
Their equality ends during worship.
Foe instance a slave may be a bishop (elder) while their owners are new concerts they should continue to obey them because their position as bishop is only within the Christian congregation not outside the church!

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Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 2:14pm On Nov 02, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Because that is what he taught his disciples:
“But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you" Luke 6:26-27
Moreover the Roman soldiers were acting on instructions they don't know Jesus neither did they know any crime he committed to be tortured so just like their governor Pontius Pilate they are innocent regarding what is happening! Matthew 27:24

MaxInDHouse:
They are those in authority responsible for the security, maintenance of peace, building of roads and many other social amenities that those under their jurisdiction are enjoying.
So going by what he taught his disciples they must obey those in authority! Matthew 5:41

MaxInDHouse:
Quote where you got this!

Okay let me teach you. It's here: Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Just picking and quoting what you like below shows you are are just being deceiptive.

MaxInDHouse:
Judas committed suicide out of shame and grief both Judas and Peter betrayed him the only difference is that one did due to fear while the other due to the love of money.
So Judas' love for money destroyed him! 1Timothy 6:6-10

Who civilized Israel?
Before they were taking to Babylon Israel was no longer a united nation because ten tribes has been scattered throughout Asia minor.
So who civilized Israel before Rome?

Re: ******************************* by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:19pm On Nov 02, 2023

MindHacker9009:
Just picking and quoting what you like below shows you are are just being deceiptive.

You asked questions and i'm answering you to show the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you are reading!

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Re: ******************************* by MindHacker9009(op): 2:23pm On Nov 02, 2023

MaxInDHouse:
Paul was talking about Christians who are slaves under their Christian owners they're not to see themselves as equals to those that bought them simply because at Christian meetings they do things in common.
Their equality ends during worship.
Foe instance a slave may be a bishop (elder) while their owners are new concerts they should continue to obey them because their position as bishop is only within the Christian congregation not outside the church!

You are just a BIG deceiver as you know Jesus christ was invented to control the minds of slaves and conquered nations, but you must help to keep the deceit going till God Almighty delivers all the true gullible one from you and your partners in this deceit.

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