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Re: "" by oz4real83(m): 10:35am On May 16, 2024
The war against Ukraine, a "small country " is still on over a year, despite all these Russian missiles that can "reach anywhere on the planet" angry sad
Re: "" by Ghostagain: 10:47am On May 16, 2024
oz4real83:
The war against Ukraine, a "small country " is still on over a year, despite all these Russian missiles that can "reach anywhere on the planet" angry sad
Ukraine was the second biggest country in Europe and had the 6th best army in the world when Russia invaded. Plus add all the assistance of NATO. Then factor in attrition warfare strategy applied by Russia.
Attrition strategy is like boxing, I hit you, but I don't let you hit me, it is slow but efficient.
Re: "" by oz4real83(m): 11:10am On May 16, 2024
Ghostagain:
Ukraine was the second biggest country in Europe and had the 6th best army in the world when Russia invaded. Plus add all the assistance of NATO. Then factor in attrition warfare strategy applied by Russia.
Attrition strategy is like boxing, I hit you, but I don't let you hit me, it is slow but efficient.
the highest position Ukraine military ever got in world military ranking is 18th, they were only strong when they were still part of USSR and had nuclear weapons located there which they gave up to Russia as part of the deal that broke up the Soviet union with an agreement with Russia not to invade the country. Why will you think Ukrainian military was stronger than French and British militaries? .
Re: "" by Ghostagain: 11:21am On May 16, 2024
oz4real83:
the highest position Ukraine military ever got in world military ranking is 18th, they were only strong when they were still part of USSR and had nuclear weapons located there which they gave up to Russia as part of the deal that broke up the Soviet union with an agreement with Russia not to invade the country. Why will you think Ukrainian military was stronger than French and British militaries? .
1. It is bizarre to say Ukraine was strong when it was part of the USSR and that it had nuclear weapons when it was part of the USSR. I would like to ask you if you consider Adamawa state to be strong or to have fighter jets and weapons assembling factories ?
Ukraine was a part of the USSR, it wasn't an independent country, it didn't have nukes nor a military.
2. Well I will have to check that ranking again to be sure, but I just found an other ranking from 2023 which claims Ukraine is 15th best military power in the world: https://www.businessinsider.com/ranked-world-most-powerful-militaries-2023-firepower-us-china-russia-2023-5
The amount of soviet weaponry which remained in Ukraine plus the amount of western weaponry which poured in since the USA took over Ukraine in 2014 made it stronger than France and the UK in my opinion.
Re: "" by oz4real83(m): 12:05pm On May 16, 2024
Ghostagain:
1. It is bizarre to say Ukraine was strong when it was part of the USSR and that it had nuclear weapons when it was part of the USSR. I would like to ask you if you consider Adamawa state to be strong or to have fighter jets and weapons assembling factories ?
Ukraine was a part of the USSR, it wasn't an independent country, it didn't have nukes nor a military.
2. Well I will have to check that ranking again to be sure, but I just found an other ranking from 2023 which claims Ukraine is 15th best military power in the world: https://www.businessinsider.com/ranked-world-most-powerful-militaries-2023-firepower-us-china-russia-2023-5
The amount of soviet weaponry which remained in Ukraine plus the amount of western weaponry which poured in since the USA took over Ukraine in 2014 made it stronger than France and the UK in my opinion.
I took out time to read the link you posted despite its length. There was no place it was mentioned that Ukraine military ranked second, they only said Russian military was ranked second but the military took a hit when it invaded Ukraine, a war in which it hasn't defeated Ukraine to prove its ranking in second.
Re: "" by Ghostagain: 12:20pm On May 16, 2024
oz4real83:
I took out time to read the link you posted despite its length. There was no place it was mentioned that Ukraine military ranked second, they only said Russian military was ranked second but the military took a hit when it invaded Ukraine, a war in which it hasn't defeated Ukraine to prove its ranking in second.
1. I didn't say Ukraine was second best military.
2. The number one ranked military got defeated by farmers in Afghanistan and Vietnam.
3. You guys focus too much on speed, strategy of attrition takes time. War is not like in video games nor like in Hollywood movies, you calculate, you execute strategies, you don't go in to prove how superior you are.
4. You keep forgetting Ukraine is getting substantial help from NATO. A lot of the things Ukraine is doing now are not in Ukraine's capacity but in NATO's. Also even your best friend zelensky said that Russia would defeat Ukraine in one week if Ukraine didn't have USA help.
5. As I clearly stated, I posted the link for the rankings on it because I knew it belongs to the media which you trust, that doesn't mean I endorse everything in that web page. Did I mention anything other than the ranking of Ukraine's military in that link ? NO !
Re: "" by oz4real83(m): 12:51pm On May 16, 2024
Ghostagain:
1. I didn't say Ukraine was second best military.
2. The number one ranked military got defeated by farmers in Afghanistan and Vietnam.
3. You guys focus too much on speed, strategy of attrition takes time. War is not like in video games nor like in Hollywood movies, you calculate, you execute strategies, you don't go in to prove how superior you are.
4. You keep forgetting Ukraine is getting substantial help from NATO. A lot of the things Ukraine is doing now are not in Ukraine's capacity but in NATO's. Also even your best friend zelensky said that Russia would defeat Ukraine in one week if Ukraine didn't have USA help.
5. As I clearly stated, I posted the link for the rankings on it because I knew it belongs to the media which you trust, that doesn't mean I endorse everything in that web page. Did I mention anything other than the ranking of Ukraine's military in that link ? NO !
you are suddenly denying everything you said in your first comment, you said Ukraine had the second best military in Europe and the 6th best in the world at the time Russia invaded, it seems you forget so easily sad. Just read your first comment again
Re: "" by Ghostagain: 12:56pm On May 16, 2024
oz4real83:
you are suddenly denying everything you said in your first comment, you said Ukraine had the second best military in Europe and the 6th best in the world at the time Russia invaded, it seems you forget so easily sad. Just read your first comment again
I thought you were talking about second best military in the world. Sometimes it helps to talk with precision otherwise people might interpret what you say in a way which you do not intend.
You confuse being the second biggest (land mass) country in Europe with being the second best military in Europe.
Re: "" by oz4real83(m): 4:27pm On May 16, 2024
Ghostagain:
I thought you were talking about second best military in the world. Sometimes it helps to talk with precision otherwise people might interpret what you say in a way which you do not intend.
You confuse being the second biggest (land mass) country in Europe with being the second best military in Europe.
in the link you sent, nowhere was Ukraine military ranked 6th in the world.
Re: "" by Ghostagain: 4:41pm On May 16, 2024
oz4real83:
in the link you sent, nowhere was Ukraine military ranked 6th in the world.
Try and read harder, I can't keep correcting your mistakes. Go back to my comment and read harder, this is the 4th time you are misreading. At this point you need to pay me a tuition fee.
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