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Etinosa1234:
U are funny oo..

Yoruba historian say A
Benin historians say b but somehow Yoruba becomes more valid... U keep displaying clownery by the day

Because Oduduwa was Mecca or from the sky does not stop him from being Yoruba or whatever you guys call yourselves theses days. Everything is about opinion! Yoruba historian keep hammering the fact that a mecca prince came to your kingdom to father a child and he supervised that the child and his offsprings keep the throne. But you somehow don't agree with this, abi?

See I'm a Benin person and I'm gonna follow my Benin history. If it says A and another tribe says b
. I'll believe mine just like u have and disregard the other except there are credible eyewitness reports which ur Oduduwa doesn't have...


I can't continue this argument with someone like u that have not read Benin history

How many things would one learn -- one only needs to learn history of people that matter.

Etinosa1234:
So lemme use ur argument...
According to u
What would you call a child whose parent is not Yoruba and the other parent is, but born in Yorubaland. The child understand Yoruba and knows Yoruba history? You are too simplistic about ethnicity.

Since this is ur logic, then what is ur reason for saying Benin has Yoruba monarchy?
After all Eweka was born and brought up in Benin,... Clearly had minimal interaction with his father according to Benin traditional history

Because Eweka was Yoruba does not stop him from being Edo or Bini or whatever you guys call yourselves theses days. Everything is about opinion! Yoruba historian keep hammering the fact that a Yoruba prince came to your kingdom to father a child and he supervised that the child and his offsprings keep the throne. But you somehow don't agree with this, abi?

I personally don't like dabbling into history I can't prove, honestly. Who can confidently say what the true account was but knowing this things sometimes helps us in some ways sha.

Then do you agree that Eweka was a Yoruba-Bini prince or Yoruba prince born in Bini?

Etinosa1234:
Trash...stay on the topic... If u want to learn abt Benin history, read books... Fairytales don't sell this days...

Was Oduduwa born a Yoruba man?

This was where our argument began from, so read my previous replies. Thank you.

Etinosa1234

Funny you, if Oodua was not a Yoruba man, then who is? Today, you go to the western world and they tell after spending some time on their soil and you can pass a language test then you are a citizen. But Yoruba people have been doing that even before they knew how to build their ships. So, why should Oodua be denied his citizenship of being Yoruba? We are not that petty in Yoruba land. How many present day people can claim they are 100% from their tribe. One should just factor in the conquests and free migration that happened back then before beating his chest.

Among the present day Yoruba people, you would find people who have various ethnic blood running through their veins. What would you call a child whose parent is not Yoruba and the other parent is, but born in Yorubaland. The child understand Yoruba and knows Yoruba history? You are too simplistic about ethnicity. Have you done your DNA test? You might be surprised that you too have some Yoruba blood running through your veins. And I might just mistakenly have some Nupe blood running through mine. We all are too intermingled together not to mix blood together.

You see the funny excuse you guys go about giving about you audio Benin kingdom. How you claim a kingdom was great if didn't have any conquest? Subjugation was how they counted scores back then. Okay let us forget subjugation, what of language influence? As a greater kingdom that you lot go about claiming, your language would have been the lingua Franca for those small ethnic groups in the SS. Or even your names! For instance a lot Yoruba adopted Islamic religion and names back then because it was cool. Islam scholars brought writing, arithmetic, and even some "strange" medicine to Yoruba land. A lot of us in Nigeria today are picking up English names and religion today for the same reason. So, what influence did your so called "great" kingdom have in your environs!

What proof do you have in this present world (or real world sef) that you ruled over these lands keep claiming? All the lands you claim you ruled over are actually controlled by other people, and they don't even speak your language. Then what kind of rule did you rule? Can you go to Lagos and speak Edo to sample of 100 people and be confident that just 30 of those people would understand you. Or go to Anioma or Esan in your immediate environment and speak to the same sample of people? If you can't do this, then you are just making noise.

Actually, you are wrong about the Romans, Greeks and others.

The Greeks had so much influence that the new testament that billions of people carry about today was first written in Greek. The Romans had Greek as one of its official languages and Greek literature actually educated early Romans. Most of the Roman philosophers always quoted Greek geniuses like Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. So they all had to learn Greek first to be great, and later they out-grew the Greek civilization.

The main language the Romans used was Latin. The university of ibadan uses Latin to write its Motto. Guess who brought Latin to Yoruba land? The British! All Roman colonies had to learn Latin to become intelligent. Many of them were barbarians when the Romans colonized them. Despite being neighbors! That is the influence you guys would have had if you were anything great. The British just stopped using Latin (the then language of the intellectuals) when they wanted to spread Christianity among their illiterate population. They had to write it in Vernacular (something that has evolved to the present day English language). The cool thing is that all former Roman colonies still reference Latin language.

That is the excuse you guys go about giving against Oyo Empire. Who told you majority or all of the people that call themselves Yoruba today were actually Yoruba? What DNA test did you do to confirm this? If there was no great conquest and prosperity, how come alot of people call themselves Yorubas or even Hausas? "Na so Yoruba women sabi give birth reach" Look at the population and landmass of the Yoruba people and tell me that is organic! Same thing with Hausa people too!

If you understand Yoruba, go to YouTube and go search for any video in Fon (Dahomey language) and tell me you wouldn't here some Yoruba in it. Same thing with their names! The same reason we have Yoruba people, and people that bear Yoruba names in your Edo! That is an evidence to you that we were there!

How can everyone from any ethnic group come from a single man! We was just a good leader that helped Yoruba people prosper. That's why we give him and his throne respect. Same thing we do for other people like Sango, Ogun, Awolowo and others. Only fools forgot there heros!

Those names are just clannish names that are already fading away in this present time. Before the adoption of Yoruba as the common name for all Yoruboid clans, it was omo Oduduwa (children of Oduduwa). That doesn't mean every Yoruba person was fathered by Oodua o!

Etinosa1234

Definitely, you are right! Those kings back had to makeup some myth about their ancestry to retain their throne and avoid anyone contesting it with them. Presently, there are a large chunk of humans on earth who believe that some dead guy rose up from death and somehow floated into the sky. So myths are not something new in the world.

As I stated earlier where Oodua came from is not my headache, because it is a hard thing to proof! As for me, you are free to claim whatever you like about his origin. Same way hardcore Yoruba people are also free to state theirs.

Now let's come to the present and drop history we can't proof! If Bini kingdom was anything close to what you guys claim it to be, why couldn't you influence smaller tribes in the SS to speak Edo language like Hausa people did with the northerners? Let's assume you guys didn't value conquest, why didnt the smaller tribes in SS pickup the language of their "very strong" neighbor like the northerners did for Hausa?

Killings among Yoruba people is a normal among people who occupy big empires! The Romans did it! Same with the Arabs, and the Chinese, and those who actually had an empire. You know in empires, there were so many egos who had alot instrument of violence and many didn't give a Bleep about laws back then. So, it wouldn't be hard to find one or two generals who feels he deserves to be king because they control the largest army. Not forgetting scheming lieutenants who feel they should be the head, because the one there less human than them.

I know you guys wouldn't understand this, because none of you actually ran an empire. But if it is to make mouth about the past you can't proof and/or the one that doesn't reflect on the present, you would be at the forefront making noise.

The failure of your so called great Benin kingdom is the subject of this thread. Shouldn't a small Itshekiri clan have been made (or influenced if you didn't have the stomach for conquest) to speak Edo language?

Etinosa1234:
U be clown ahswear... Was there Nairaland, Facebook or Twitter in the 1800s... This guy Na mumu
Lol... I made the first demand but u still can't answer me...


Are u Telling me that there are no credible reports abt the first Ooni of ife?
. A king for that matter...

Then tell me what makes the myth abt Oduduwa true...

I can post 5 different accounts of Oduduwa here if u want...

But u can never get different account of my grandfather...

When u can prove that Oduduwa existed, I'll show u proof my great grandfather existed

You are uncultured and lack manners! You don't have to throw insults about to get your point across.

Let me help you with the puzzle: the fact that you are here on Nairaland is proof enough that your great-grandfather existed. Same way that ooni and other Yoruba obas including your oba are here and all of them regard Oodua as their ancestor is a fact that Oodua existed. Whether he flew from the sky, came out from the vagina of a woman, or the yansh of a man is not my concern. The fact is that he left roots on ground for all (who want to see) to see.

Oodua roots and the influence he left behind in still acknowledge across West Africa. Now, why would I take people from a small kingdom serious. You couldn't even influence your immediate neighbors so that we can all see and acknowledge how great you claim you were.

Hausas people had one the biggest empires in the history of Africa, and their empire fell and a large chunk of the empire was conquered by Fulani people. But today we all still the influence they had, and nobody can deny them their history.

You guys go about making up different stories about yourselves, but the present proofs otherwise. You were this and that, but the present proofs you just ran a normal kingdom. Maybe, a kingdom that was greatly influenced by western knowledge. But that wouldn't remove the fact that it was just a normal kingdom.

Please make your argument logical and no need of the insult -- we ( maybe me sha) are just educating ourselves here.

Etinosa1234:
There are eyewitness reports of my grandfather because there are people that met him and knew what he did.. Even my grandfather first child met him

So can u give me eyewitness reports or is it the fairytale that Oduduwa that skydived to become king according to Ife or the Oduduwa that trekked all the way from Mecca to Nigeria according to oyo that u believe is true...

Surely there must be eyewitness reports abt the first Ooni of ife or it's all a lie

You have not done justice to my request. Where is the eye witness? Do you have the Facebook, Twitter or Nairaland page of this eye witness?

You have to give me a source that can confirm his origin or I don't believe that your great-grandfather existed!

Etinosa1234:
Quickly... tell me the origin of oduduwa according to eyewitness accounts

Why not lead by telling me the origin of your great-grandfather according to eyewitness accounts.

Juliusmalema:
But you read where he said you guys Are Yorubas..

He said their monarchy is Yoruba not the own Bini, and that the prince sent to rule over Itshekiri people was just a Yoruba man ruling over a group of Yoruba people from various Yoruba clans.

One can't ignore the linguistics similarities -- there are just too many for it to have been a result of colonization.

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