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sad!!!

Well done.

Tao11

Well done!

Some of the damages of colonialism!

Here is another: all African gods are evil, but the Greek gods are cool.

We have a long way to go to fix the damages of the colonists on our psyche.

TAO11:
No way! That’s not my intention. No one can really convince a self-deceiver. You can only convince an honest individual.

A self-deceiver is like someone who is pretending to be asleep when he is in fact awake. You can’t wake such person up against his will. You can only wake up someone who is sleeping.

My intention is only to debunk their misinformation and thus correctly informing the innocent reader.

At the same time, I am sending a message to the liar that his lies have no space here — I am not trying to change the liar’s mind to accept truth.

Well done, ma. Honestly, you are trying! Arguing with mischievous people is not easy at all.

Abovebonny3:


The Yoruba's had a lucky escape, the British saved their arses otherwise they would have become subjects of the great Sultan to the north.

God Bless the British!

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Lucky for 16 good years? Please look for another excuse. I even say they were lucky Yoruba people hated themselves more than they hated them.

Abovebonny3:


Please find me some sources because I've not yet come across any from Ijaw historians, wou help me out a lot thanks!

So no universities in Bayelsa, abi? Well done! Don't let them see this o.

Abovebonny3:


Now that you have specified influence your statement makes more sense, don't just talk actually make sense when you do so.

The sources are mainly from Igbo historians because guess what... Aro-chukwu is Igbo, you don't expect someone else to write our history for us.
The following links are form reputable publishers.

Here are some sources:
https://www.britannica.com/place/Arochukwu
[/b]Nwauwa, A. O. "Integrating Arochukwu into the Regional Chronological Structure." History in Africa 18 (1991): 297-310. Accessed December 7, 2020. doi:10.2307/3172068.[b]
[/b]Nwauwa, Apollos O. "The Evolution of the Aro Confederacy in Southeastern Nigeria, 1690-1720. A Theoretical Synthesis of State Formation Process in Africa." Anthropos 90, no. 4/6 (1995): 353-64. Accessed December 7, 2020. http://www.jstor.org/stable/40463184.[b]
[/b]The Slave Trade and Culture in the Bight of Biafra: An African Society in the Atlantic World G. Ugo Nwokeji[b]

Then I think you are fabricating history here. You can't be the same person drumming and also dancing to your beat. Only the opinion of outsiders would hold water here.

Is this assertion also backed up by Ijaw historians, at the least?

Abovebonny3:


The Nomadic tribes of the north would have conquered the west eventually, the only reason they stopped at Ibadan was because of the terrain, it wasn't good for cavalry. but they would have overcome it eventually... I don't think you realise the swift devastation of nomadic tribes.

Canada is part of The British Empire (even if it doesn't officially say so)
Russia, along with eastern Europe and most of Asia was conquered by the Mongols who were nomadic very much like the Fulani's.
The Fulani are the Mongols of Africa, they have established countless kingdoms from Senegal to Sudan.

The first map is the Sahel steppe a vast lowland savanna arid grassland which the Fulani have primarily inhabited since at least 900AD, this is why they are present in most west African nations today.
The second map is the Eurasian steppe, which numerous nomadic peoples have inhabited for centuries from the Scythians, Huns, Tuvans to the Mongols etc...

Settlements that they are minorities in! Now you want to compare them to Mongols who have their own country and can boost of influences in Asia and Eastern Europe. Anyway, it is your opinion and you are free to have yours.

Was it not the same Fulani that Yoruba pushed out of their land? I said they didn't have access to the lastest weapons that Yoruba people had, having cavaries with dane guns can not be compared to people who were importing cannons from the west.

Why didn't they attack Yoruba people during the civil war, when Yorubas were most vulnerable? Anyway, you are free to dream up anything you like here also, but the fact remains that they were pushed out of Yoruba land at Oshogbo and not Ibadan. And they never dreamt of coming down south again. You know why?

Abovebonny3:


nothing I have said is controversial, Oyo never reached Ghana through conquest that is just an outright lie... even the map shows it only goes as far as the Benin Republic, maybe Togo... but certainly not Ghana.

The region was still a Yoruba region controlled by smaller Yoruba kingdoms regardless.

A kingdom in decline is still a kingdom indeed, Britain started to decline after WW1, yet the empire grew larger post WW2... decline does not mean complete collapse.

And after Togo is what what country? Please stop arguing blindly. Oyo empire fought the Ashanti kingdom in defense of its tributary. I

I never said it reached the borders of Ghana through conquest, but through influence! Those tributaries (the Ga group of people and Dahomey ) relied on Oyo for protection and they paid in return (Thornton, John K. (1999). Warfare in Atlantic Africa 1500-1800. London and New York: Routledge. ISBN 1-85728-393-7., p. 79.) . Same with some Northern Nigeria kindoms like the Borgu kingdom.

Now please share a reputable source for your so called Aro confederacy. And please don't quote some Igbo historian. Thank you in advance.

Abovebonny3:


If not for the British, the entire south west of Nigeria would have been part of the Caliphate, that's a fact.

The same Sokoto calipate that ran when they saw standing cameras for the first time and thought they were machine guns?

You don't know how backward they were becoming without contact with the west through the sea. The northern empires were able to grow in the olden days because of its connection to the Arab civilization, but immediately the Arabs were declining, they were even declining faster!

There empires look large on the map because most of those regions they covered were desert regions. No one wanted to live there hence there easy claim to it. A good example of country that they large on paper but only have little people occupying them are Russia, Canada and Niger republic. Most of the so called land mass has no inhabitants, so no one to contest their claim to them.

Abovebonny3:


The map is actually rather accurate as it represents the political state of Africa in 1880, I just focused on West Africa.

Dahomey Revolt 1823: the Oyo army sent by Oba Alaafin Majotu was categorically wiped out by the forces of King Gezo of Dahomey, thus ending Oyo's hegemony in the region. [/b]Alpern, S., 1998. Amazons Of Black Sparta. 2nd ed. [Place of publication not identified]: C. Hurst & Co., p.166.[b]
Therefore by 1880 Dahomey had not been a province of the Oyo kingdom for 57 years.

Kwara was formally part of the Oyo kingdom, until General Afonja rebelled and with the help of the Fulani's and local Muslim populations formed the Ilorin Emirate. Upon its formation power switched to Emir Abdusalami dan Salih Alimi -a Fulani- who's reign saw the IIorin Emirate become a vassal of the Sokoto Caliphate. [/b]Lovejoy, P., 2004. Slavery On The Frontiers Of Islam. 2nd ed. Princeton: Markus Wiener Publishers, p.55.[b]
The vassal state of IIorin continued to expand in the 1830's until it was halted at Ibadan where its borders remained relatively the same until 1897 when it was annexed by the Royal Niger Company.

Aro-Chukwu which lasted from 1690 - 1902 had the largest monopoly on trade (mostly slaves) within eastern/southern Nigeran and parts of west Cameroon. Please note that this was a "confederation" not an empire or kingdom so don't get confused. The map simply shows the area under the influence of the Aro-Chukwu trade monopoly. [/b]Chidume, Chukwudi & Nmaju, U. (2019). The Aro Hegemony: Dissecting The Myth And Reality. 8. 76-87. 10.33281/JTHS20129.2019.1.6.[b]

The map below is the full unedited version.

Now you see the deceit in your picture without a date? By 1880 Oyo empire was declining or has declined. so it shouldn't be in that map at all. What remained of it was Ibadan, which was trying to replicate its hegemony, and Ibadan didn't rule that region in the map you are sharing.

At it's height (1625) the reached the borders of present day Ghana (see the picture below). Stride & Ifeka 1971, p. 293.

TAO11:
He is one and the same person. That’s his second account. 100%

Can you guess the age of that Greyboy (or whatever) you are arguing with?

Balogunodua:

The Around Confederacy were villages of 5 huts each scattered round the forest so that makes it hard for the British to wipe them out in a day.

See the stu.pid map he spreading about now. Does that look like 5 villages to you? They even had the guts to include Ijaw kingdoms in their rubbish.

Same map added north Central kingdoms to Sokoto calipate! Some people misconstrue the influence Hausa language has in the north with Sokoto calipate.

Sokoto calipate is a Fulani thing, and the spread of Hausa language in Northern Nigeria and other parts of Africa was the work of great Hausa men like Mansa Musa.

Rubbish!

Balogunodua:
just leave that guy, he is confused.

No, he is not comfused, but spreading falsehood! You don't leave people like that alone.

Abovebonny:


The only Empire Nigeria ever had was the Sokoto Caliphate...

So no Oyo was not an empire by any means.

Look at the map and tell me Sokoto was not an empire? And that Oyo and Benin were not Kingdoms...

Why are you being mischievous? Where did you take the screenshot from? And why is your false representation of Sokoto calipate including parts of Yoruba land and other Middle belt minority kingdoms?

At what point in history does your false picture depict? Did you know at some point in history the Dahomey kingdom your picture excluded from Oyo Empire, was a tributary to Oyo itself? And what is parts of Kwara doing in the picture?

And can you provide documented proof of the so called "Aro confederacy" you smuggled into the picture? Thank you in advance.

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