Jokerman:
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Mrviktor:


How did I hype him bros..

All I said Is he would be in midfield

You dey answer Chelsea fan?

fredoooooo:
Goodu ebening

Lmao

Winning streak FC

Jodera:

1.Lol, when I meant seniority, I didn't even mean the time (like age or sort). I meant of quality

If you agree that the quality of the sides (and ofcourse the opposition) no be the same, it's a further testament to the fact that the "points system" metric for League/team strength is flawed

Jodera:

2.Did anyone not fear that Spurs side of 2016/17?

Like did any coach or fans (whether at England or abroad) not look that Spurs side as a very strong team that should be taken seriously?

Ahhh!!...

Na wa ooo

Which Yeye Fear?

I am sure if you check well, na Harry Kane goals been carry the team.

Spurs of them Berbatov, Bale, Robbie Keane, Defoe,Pavluychenko, Modric etc was even stronger, yet this your "points system" is telling another story

raumdeuter:


The Bundesliga record is 41 goals, did Kane break it?

Look at record breakers like Haaland whether na debut season or undebut season

Which player has the most goals in his debut season in Bundesliga history?

Jodera:

You're the one doing comparisons Tbh.

I'm classing them and not comparing 2013 set to 2008 set. You should know that even within a class, senior still dey inside.

You can't class them oga - they are light years apart.

This one no be about seniority

Jodera:

So in essence, what I'm just telling you that the two sets are very strong sides and their points shows so(89 and 87 respectively) because both sets were winning CONSISTENTLY.

E no suppose hard again to get my point

Both were winning consistently - one was doing it vs strong sides while the other was vs bums : 2nd placed Spurs in 2016/2017 season also amassed similar points to this UTD side in question.

raumdeuter:


I think Haaland had more PL goals in his debut season help confirm it

Haha

You havent answered o

Who has the record of the most goals scored during his debut Buli season?

No be you talk say Kane no break any record for Germany?

Jodera:

To be honest, an 89 point team can't just be suddenly weak like that. It relies on Van Persie, yes but it was more than that.

What it just shows is that Moyes is an inept coach that can't handle a top team which makes it looks that the players were that baaaad!

It's akin to Chelsea under Lampard. They look like bums and couldn't even make top 4. Tuchel came, use that same team to win Fa cup and Uefa CL while finishing 4th in the league (from a possible 8th when he arrived).

Their play was so good that all they felt they needed to compete for league was a striker to complete them (Lukaku says hi)

Who knows, maybe that 2013 set lacked a "tuchel" cos an 89-point team can't be that baaaad.

Naaaahhhh!!!

How bad or worst the team was, isn't the main issue here TBH

The point is that them Welbeck, Evans and co finished with more points than a team that had prime Vidic, Evra, Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez etc, yet the team with fewer points was light years ahead of the former.

This, coupled with other examples is why I feel the "points amassed analogy" is flawed in the context of team/league strength assessment

raumdeuter:


Wetin Decline Rice win this season?

How far with Kane breaking Bundesliga record

Which player has the most goals in his debut season in Bundesliga history?

Saw it some where

Please confirm

Jodera:

I never said they were comparable neither did my posts imply so.

I said points shows the strength of the team to show that they're not only strong but consistent in winning.

The 2007/08 was a strong team than the 2012/13 but that doesn't mean the latter set are bum that season the way you're making it out to be.



Geez!!! I just did a quick check and I found out the 2012/13 team was on 89points and not 86 you erroneously said.Common guy, 89point team bum??

Ah, thank God for my mistake be that - you have even used it to buttress my point further

The point here is that the Gulf in class is too wide - there is no basis for comparison at all....

The 2012/2013 team was the weakest Fergie's teams of his final 6-7years at the club : that side relied solely on RVP's magical form.

Till today, it's no secret that Fergie was even praised for winning the league with such a poor team. Some pundits even attributed Moyes' failure at UTD to his decision to "inherit" such a weak side without adequate reinforcements.

Jodera:

Lol, I will use point cos that tells me the strength of the team .

Garnering 86 and 87 points means you've been CONSISTENT FOR MONTHS. Yes, strength of each sets matters but that doesn't mean both teams weren't consistent in winning for months

What that tells you is that the 2007/2008 Man UTD, despite being in the discussion for best team in the world in the last 20-25years, amassed almost the same points with Bum Spurs during different regimes.

Consistency abi?

I can also say yeah, Spurs were consistently beating rubbish teams while the aforementioned man UTD team consistently beat tougher teams

Jodera:


Even by my logic, the spurs that placed 2nd season was a very very good side In the league but I doubt it's the 15/16 season which Leicester won cos they didn't even near that Spurs point.

Yeah, it was the season after that


By your logic, the spurs team was comparable to the United team all because of your supposed consistency?

Common!!

raumdeuter:


Pep finished 3rd, the following season Pep got 100points Cuntay finished 5th

In the Era of them Fergie, Benitez, Ancelotti etc, naso e for dey finish 3rd

raumdeuter:


Why Cuntay come run comot for the league?

When Cuntay won league, which position did Pep finish?

I noticed you have been avoiding this question

Jodera:

What the 87 and 86 points means is that both sets were winning games CONSISTENTLY. Even with the bum cleverly and Evans and welbeck

And it still means that they're still fallible especially for them not to even reach 90points means they both lost at least 4 matches with some series of draws.
Yet they came out tops.

And these are the people you want to compare with Pep team that takes 90+ points consistently like ice water??

Lol

Bros - all these semantics doesn't change the fact that the "points system" could be misleading and I have given you a clear example.

As I stated earlier, that 2008 Man UTD side is one of the best sides in world football in the last 15-20 years.

You cannot compare that team with the one that had the likes of Cleverly and Evans all in the name of "points similarity"..

FYI, spurs that placed second in 2015/2016 season amassed 86 points.

By your logic............

Jodera:

Lol...
8 matches to go, Fergie was leading the league (Man City specifically) by 7points yet dropped points for Mancini to catch up with him and las las win it.
On so many seasons(occasions), Man u have dropped points second half of the season and still won league.


And you think Pep would give you that leeway??

Pep wey win league with 100pts and 98 points o

Go and look at Man u title winning points and you'll find out that most of them would stand no chance where Pep dey

This your points analogy isn't cast in stone and would not necessarily give you the true picture of things...

2007/2008 Man UTD (one of the world best teams in the last 15 years) finished with 87 points in the league.

2012/2013 man UTD that paraded bums like Evans and Cleverly finished with 86 points in the league.

Even with the somewhat similarity in points, no one that followed football at that time would even dare to compare both sides for any reason.

raumdeuter:


Na why Fergusdey overrated

Make Mancini come win am where Pep dey

As if "Cuntay" didn't win league at Pep's expense.

popizaino:


Oh i forgot Pep guardiola would have assembled his prime Barca side in man city. Shebi you want to play abi?

I don't know how Barca take enter this EPL strength discussion tbh

raumdeuter:
Mancini and Wenger wey dem dey beat like drum for CL na him these ones dey point to as coaches?

Mancini no win league at Fergie's expense?

Mancini no give Fergie tough time for league?

raumdeuter:


Compare it to 2018 to 2023
In 2018 Liverpool stopped city
In 2019 Spurs stopped city
In 2021 chelsea stopped city

So what is the point you are making?

You had PL teams neck on neck in the PL slugging it out at the later stages of the CL.

raumdeuter:


2005 to 2010 is still inferior to 2018 to 2023.

Between 2005 and 2010, 2 EPL teams won the CL and made 6 finals

2018 to 2023, 3 EPL teams won the CL and 7 teams made the CL final

Now show me how that era was superior to the 2018 to 2023 that Pep dominated

In 2008 CL when Man UTD played Chelsea in the final, look at how both teams were neck on neck in the league.

Similar occurrence in 2009 when Man UTD made the final and Chelsea lost our under "dubious" circumstances to Barca in the Semis.

Around this same period, English teams were defeating Fellow English teams in the CL semis to make the finals - offhand, I remember Chelsea beating Liverpool in 2008 CL semis while Man UTD Beat Arsenal to qualify for the 2009 Final - numerous scenarios where 3 PL teams were in the semis

raumdeuter:


Ole vs Pep results are 4 wins 4 losses

Ferguson vs Pep what is the result?

Ole defeated Pep 4 times while Fergie couldn't even manage a draw...

It didn't make Ole Better than Fergie.

The point here is that vs Matches cannot be used in isolation in this context.

The league was stronger with Benitez, Mancini, Ancelotti, etc completing with Fergie - I don't think this is even up for debate.

raumdeuter:


When did Ole humiliate Pep, when did he win the league with Pep there? The minimum gap Pep gave Ole in the league was 12 points

Na you dey reference Pep CL clashes with Fergie na

What's Pep record vs Ole in league matches?

raumdeuter:


How was the league more competitive in Fergusons time? When he only had a sorry Arsenal to face.

Nowadays EPL teams are making CL finals regularly unlike in those 90s and early 2000s

The EPL currently is better and of a higher quality than the one Frguson played, The only time it was close to quality was 2005 to 2010

That's why I clearly referenced Peak Mourihno , Benitez etc in my initial post - the Man UTD team between 2007 - 2009 was arguably the best under the Fergie era.

Remain signed out till Yanshnal win the league

Jodera:

Ferguson wey na mostly 80+ points him dey use win league. The time Mou show England like pep, accruing 90+ points, Fergie was nowhere to be found with him own 90+ points but Adisa go tell you say Ferguson would have done wonders against this Pep

Ferguson would have done wonders now means The league was more competitive during Fergie's time.


Shey na this season's disappointment dey affect you ni?

raumdeuter:


All those prime this prime that no concern Pep, he will beat them mercilessly. No be Ferguson he beat twice for CL final.

Klopp try pass all those Amazon prime coaches yet na only one title he see win.

Ferguson was beating a mediocre Wenger dey claim top coach. When hand of Pep touch am he almost developed Parkinson

When ordinary Ole humiliate Pep, did it make the Norwegian a top manager?

Forget that thing abeg

Which league did Pep finish third in his career?

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raumdeuter:


When Pep starts getting 90points how you wan cope

Pep has won the league with 90points plus how many times now? Even at the peak of Ferguson how many times did he break 90points

With Pep if you don't show up with 90points e no sure for you

Pep getting 90 points isn't the reason why Chelsea and Man UTD have been useless in recent times...

Sir Alex was competing with Prime Mourinho, Ancelotti, "difficult" Benitez, "monetized" manicini etc at some point.

You can't deny that the standards have dropped.

See Liverpool replacing Klopp with one rookie from Holland, Man UTD is being linked with Ipswich manager, Arsenal would always be useless.

Why pep no go dominate again?