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jcross19:
In order to agree with all the terms in the bible we fall into the pit of confusion. Jesus said me and my father are one. John 1 vs 1 to 3 only indicate how in unity jesus is with God. Remember that jesus is our advocate to God then ask yourself can God be advocate to himself for us ? Does it make sense. John 6 vs 14 he said I am the way , the truth and life: no one come unto the FATHER except by ME now think there are persons in that sentence the father which is God and ME which is Jesus....

OLAADEGBU:
The Firstborn Creator?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (John 1:1–3).

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him" (Colossians 1:15–16).

"Yet I have set My King on My holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, today I have begotten You" (Psalm 2:6, 7).

"For to which of the angels did He ever say: You are My Son, today I have begotten You? And again: I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son? But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: Let all the angels of God worship Him" (Hebrews 1:5, 6).

How could Jesus be the Creator (John 1:1–3) if He was the firstborn of all creation (Colossians 1:15)?

before we can start commenting on the this proposition of urs .... let consider that the bible contradict itself and if we have a verses contradicting one anoda den one must be right and anoda must be wrong or both are wrong... there are many firstborn in the bible... even before jesus was sent to deliver the his message...

Freetech:
It is like asking how is it possible for a man to be a father of his children and also a husband to his wife.

Read John1:1-14 and Prv8:22-36. He is the Word of God, by Him all things were created. vs 14 of Jhn reveal He was made flesh through virgin birth because the Word need to have blood to save mankind from their sin. Without shedding of blood no remission of sins. Heb9:22.Just as we cannot separate your word from your person though you may be in Nigeria and your word continue to operate in far away UK. In the same vein Jesus cannot be separated from God.

OLAADEGBU:
Let me show you how the Word of God does not contradict itself taking Isaiah 43:10-11 that you brought up into consideration.

"You are My witnesses, says the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour," (Isaiah 43:10,11).

This is the question:

Is God the Saviour of the world?

If you study this verse I quoted above objectively, you will discover the following:
 
There always has been and always will be only one true God.

There is no Saviour of the world except for this one true God.

Therefore, the Saviour of the world must be the one true God.

This leads to another question:

Is Jesus the Saviour of the world?

I do not think that anyone who has read the New Testament would dispute this.  The Bible refers to Jesus as the Saviour: "and of the Saviour of us, Christ Jesus" --Titus 2:13.

Therefore, since:

The one true God is the only Saviour of the world (Isaiah 43:10,11), and

Jesus is the Saviour of the world (Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1),

Jesus must therefore be the one true God. No contradiction.

To deny that Jesus is the one true God, one would either have to deny that Jesus is the Saviour, or say that God is lying to us in Isaiah 43:11.  Neither alternative fits with Scripture.

Does Titus 2:13 teach that Jesus is God our Saviour?

In Titus 2:13 it states the following:

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

It is clearly stated from the Holy Scriptures quoted here that it is Jesus who is our great God and Saviour. There is no contradiction.

OLAADEGBU:
Let me show you how the Word of God does not contradict itself taking Isaiah 43:10-11 that you brought up into consideration.

"You are My witnesses, says the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour," (Isaiah 43:10,11).

This is the question:

Is God the Saviour of the world?

If you study this verse I quoted above objectively, you will discover the following:
 
There always has been and always will be only one true God.

There is no Saviour of the world except for this one true God.

Therefore, the Saviour of the world must be the one true God.

This leads to another question:

Is Jesus the Saviour of the world?

I do not think that anyone who has read the New Testament would dispute this.  The Bible refers to Jesus as the Saviour: "and of the Saviour of us, Christ Jesus" --Titus 2:13.

Therefore, since:

The one true God is the only Saviour of the world (Isaiah 43:10,11), and

Jesus is the Saviour of the world (Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1),

Jesus must therefore be the one true God. No contradiction.

To deny that Jesus is the one true God, one would either have to deny that Jesus is the Saviour, or say that God is lying to us in Isaiah 43:11.  Neither alternative fits with Scripture.

Does Titus 2:13 teach that Jesus is God our Saviour?

In Titus 2:13 it states the following:

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

It is clearly stated from the Holy Scriptures quoted here that it is Jesus who is our great God and Saviour. There is no contradiction.

OLAADEGBU:
The Firstborn Creator?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (John 1:1–3).

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him" (Colossians 1:15–16).

"Yet I have set My King on My holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, today I have begotten You" (Psalm 2:6, 7).

"For to which of the angels did He ever say: You are My Son, today I have begotten You? And again: I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son? But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: Let all the angels of God worship Him" (Hebrews 1:5, 6).

How could Jesus be the Creator (John 1:1–3) if He was the firstborn of all creation (Colossians 1:15)?

OLAADEGBU:
I will appreciate if you make your contributions on this thread for everyone's perusal. Thanks.

OLAADEGBU:
You should be bold enough to share what you want to teach on this thread except you have something to hide.

OLAADEGBU:
You should be bold enough to share what you want to teach on this thread except you have something to hide.

mukhtara446:
OK what i what to know is that is Jesus that some Christians say he is God, is he the one that created everything or not. Are You Christian

OLAADEGBU:
Before I answer your question, have you got any objection to the OP?

mukhtara446:
what kind of a god would punish me because of what natural man can't understand, he didn't make it natural, he did not say he is god when he came, he pray to someone for assistant when he need it with his head on the ground in total submission and cry out for help. he pray in the temple, And its like Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of Israel only

mukhtara446:
then who is his father that he used to mentioned

OLAADEGBU:
If you are interested in the topic then address the OP. Don't derail the topic by raising questions not related to the topic. Good day.

OLAADEGBU:
If you are interested in the topic then address the OP. Don't derail the topic by raising questions not related to the topic. Good day.

OLAADEGBU:
If you are interested in the topic then address the OP. Don't derail the topic by raising questions not related to the topic. Good day.

Ahmed445:
yes the Noble Quran contain only the word of Almighty Allah

shadeyinka:
Does the Quran contain other words than that of Allah?