I will stop this unintelligent conversation after this. You drain my time and energy.
I have read at least 5 different translations of the Quran. I am aware of up to 27 English translations.
The Meaning of the Glorious Qur'an (1930) by Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall.
The Holy Qur'an: Translation and Commentary (1934) by Abdullah Yusuf Ali.
The Koran Interpreted (1955) by Arthur Arberry.
The Quran (1970) A free-flowing English translation by Muhammad Zafrulla Khan
The Noble Qur'an (1992); by Dr. T. B. (Thomas Ballantyne) Irving (Al Hajj Ta'lim Ali Abu Nasr).
You see why I said you do not even understand Islam.
There is even an English translation Saheeh International translation of the Qur’an Written by three women.
we even have the Yoruba version just for the message to circulate ask other Muslim tru out the owl world the meaning is still d same tin and we all say the same thing when praying... u don't need to sound harsh we are sharing knowledge.... and if u think u won't no problem...
The Bible States so. Now did Jubril ever ever introduced himself to Mohammed? Wasn't it his wife Khadijat and her cousin Waraka Ibn Nofal who told him that what he saw was angel Gabriel?
In short, human beings told Mohammed that that jinn was an angel. Prove me wrong
Then answer my previous questions. You keep on repeating statements without backing them up with facts. I ask questions, you don't answer.
1. First, where is the original copy of the Quran? 2. Did Caliph Uthman order the burning of other copies of Quran except the version of Afsat? 3. Suppose, Christians decide to burn other bible translations and allow just one only, would that not be a fraud if we insist that only one translation of the bible exist?
That is a Meaningless question.
You are the one to first show the contradictions of the possibilities within the proper context.
The question may be valid only if you prove that only one son of God can exist.
Buhari 33.23 Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23) (Bukhari)
What do you call people who erase evidence?
why is it meaningless it is written down in the Bible where many sons of god is written down we at least many firstborn so I think I deserve just a little answer we are just sharing ide
The Bible States so. Now did Jubril ever ever introduced himself to Mohammed? Wasn't it his wife Khadijat and her cousin Waraka Ibn Nofal who told him that what he saw was angel Gabriel?
In short, human beings told Mohammed that that jinn was an angel. Prove me wrong
Then answer my previous questions. You keep on repeating statements without backing them up with facts. I ask questions, you don't answer.
1. First, where is the original copy of the Quran? 2. Did Caliph Uthman order the burning of other copies of Quran except the version of Afsat? 3. Suppose, Christians decide to burn other bible translations and allow just one only, would that not be a fraud if we insist that only one translation of the bible exist?
That is a Meaningless question.
You are the one to first show the contradictions of the possibilities within the proper context.
The question may be valid only if you prove that only one son of God can exist.
Buhari 33.23 Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23) (Bukhari)
What do you call people who erase evidence?
we Muslim use the Quran as a back up and the hadith any book aside that is not welcome ... so bringing any book from buhari that doesn't have any proof from the Quran and hadith is meaningless... buhari or not is out of it hope have answer u? we are not fighting we are just sharing knowledge ur response is getting harsh so let's calm down to our self
shadeyinka: You avoided answering any of my direct questions. Nevertheless, I will d justice to yours
1. There is no evidence or proof that Angel Gabriel spoke to Mohammed. If there is, can you please provide...like you will say, When did Angel Gabriel introduce himself to Mohammed?
If you read the scriptures of the Jews or the Injeel, Angels always introduced themselves.
2. How did God send down the Injeel to Jesus? Since Jesus never wrote a book, how will you justify that. Or is it just an assumption? David was not the only author of the Psalms. The psalms were collections of Hymns and songs sang for worship in the temple during the time of king David. They were referred to as songs (psalms) of David. So, how did God send down a book to David?
Really! You Muslims hide under the guise that the Quran is written in Arabic to peddle outright lies and misinformation.
1. If a single word has not changed, how come the Caliph Usman ordered the burning of all other Quran save the version that belonged to Afsat? Convince me, Please I need explanation for this. 2. If a single word has not changed, what happened to the part of the Quran that was eaten by a "tame sheep"?
You repeat lies to yourselves but even when evidence to the contrary is presented, you throw still away the truth.
In other words, God speaks to people in their own language and dialect. God will not speak to YOU in Arabic or any other language except the language you UNDERSTAND.
I laugh at your lack of comprehension of a basic term like son of God. For even me, " I am a Son of God"
John1:2 but as many as did receive him (Jesus) to them he gave authority to become sons of God-- to those believing in his name, 13 who-- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but-- of God were begotten.
Luke 3:38 38 the [son] of Cainan, the [son] of Enos, the [son] of Seth, the [son] of Adam, the [son] of God.
Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim (a tribe of Israel) is my firstborn.
Even the author of the Quran was confused. He thought that God must have a wife like we humans to have a child. The same confused author redefined Trinity as God, Jesus and Mary. No wonder even the Quran CANNOT be understood without words of men like the Hadiths , Tefsirs etc. And its supposed to be simple words of allah!
is there a proof of the wonder Jesus did? my man have giving u many proof u want and u are not backing urs with any proof from the bible.. without proof ur argument is meaning less...
I find it difficult conversing with you. You don't show any grasp of Islam and your just ramble over things you have memorised over time.
Proof! A prove is a statement backed up with valid verifiable justifications...you have failed woefully in this respect.
You also display ignorance of Christianity: if you didn't, you would have known that the gospel simply means Good News. The gospel is NOT a book. It means good news.
The question that any intelligent person including Mohammed should ask is: What is that Good News!
For your education, the Scripture books the Jews use up till the time of Jesus are what Christians call the OLD testament of the Bible. The Books that Mohammed call Injeel are what the Christians call NEW testament.
Only a brainwashed and unintelligent individual will not comprehend the above.
How many English translations of the Quran exists? Please answer these questions.
Revelations originating from one source have to be consistent and not change over whatever time span it took to reveal. That is exactly what the Qu’ran states. Firstly, that a portion of the message were given to various prophets over thousands of years; and specifically names four revelations by name, as well as the names of the prophets that it was revealed to. The Qur’an embodies the full and complete message, as no other prophet and revelation is to follow. That is what Jesus (pbuh) meant when he said that he would pray to the father for another comforter who will abide for all time. The four most important revelations are: 1. 2. 3. 4. The Taurah, (OldTestament) Law: revealed to Prophet Musa, (Moses) (pbuh). Zaboor, or the Psalms: revealed to Prophet Dawood, (David) (pbuh). The Injeel, (Good News) (New Testament) revealed to Prophet Esa (Jesus) (pbuh). The Qur’an, also known as the Fur’qaan, (Criterion) revealed to Prophet Muhammed, (pbuh). The Qu’ran embodies all of the above. Viz: The Law, The Praises
The Bible States so. Now did Jubril ever ever introduced himself to Mohammed? Wasn't it his wife Khadijat and her cousin Waraka Ibn Nofal who told him that what he saw was angel Gabriel?
In short, human beings told Mohammed that that jinn was an angel. Prove me wrong
Then answer my previous questions. You keep on repeating statements without backing them up with facts. I ask questions, you don't answer.
1. First, where is the original copy of the Quran? 2. Did Caliph Uthman order the burning of other copies of Quran except the version of Afsat? 3. Suppose, Christians decide to burn other bible translations and allow just one only, would that not be a fraud if we insist that only one translation of the bible exist?
That is a Meaningless question.
You are the one to first show the contradictions of the possibilities within the proper context.
The question may be valid only if you prove that only one son of God can exist.
Buhari 33.23 Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23) (Bukhari)
What do you call people who erase evidence?
my man there is no clear proof of what u are saying bring proof and bk it up.... Al- Quran has been reveal 1400 years ago and if these is tru why is not reveal till den... at least we have many Christian theologians they would have bring it out... so my man u dont have a proof... now let me ask u is it possible for a creature to kill a creator.... and is it possible for a creator allow him self kill by a creature... to back it up Revelations originating from one source have to be consistent and not change over whatever time span it took to reveal. That is exactly what the Qu’ran states. Firstly, that a portion of the message were given to various prophets over thousands of years; and specifically names four revelations by name, as well as the names of the prophets that it was revealed to. The Qur’an embodies the full and complete message, as no other prophet and revelation is to follow. That is what Jesus (pbuh) meant when he said that he would pray to the father for another comforter who will abide for all time. The four most important revelations are: 1. 2. 3. 4. The Taurah, (OldTestament) Law: revealed to Prophet Musa, (Moses) (pbuh). Zaboor, or the Psalms: revealed to Prophet Dawood, (David) (pbuh). The Injeel, (Good News) (New Testament) revealed to Prophet Esa (Jesus) (pbuh). The Qur’an, also known as the Fur’qaan, (Criterion) revealed to Prophet Muhammed, (pbuh). The Qu’ran embodies all of the above. Viz: The Law, The Praises
I find it difficult conversing with you. You don't show any grasp of Islam and your just ramble over things you have memorised over time.
Proof! A prove is a statement backed up with valid verifiable justifications...you have failed woefully in this respect.
You also display ignorance of Christianity: if you didn't, you would have known that the gospel simply means Good News. The gospel is NOT a book. It means good news.
The question that any intelligent person including Mohammed should ask is: What is that Good News!
For your education, the Scripture books the Jews use up till the time of Jesus are what Christians call the OLD testament of the Bible. The Books that Mohammed call Injeel are what the Christians call NEW testament.
Only a brainwashed and unintelligent individual will not comprehend the above.
How many English translations of the Quran exists? Please answer these questions.
we have only one translation of the holy quran... and from the beginning to the end of the Quran u will Neva see a verses that contradict its self ... have giving u a clear proof about the Quran but u are not giving me any about the Bible .... jesus was a Jew and the language he spoke was semantic Aramaic which is no more in existence and jesus him Neva said follow the book its was written by his Peter and Paul long after Jesus as gone... in the quran God said to Muhammed that the Quran was sent to him for human guidance and show me in the Bible where God or Jesus said bible is sent down to mankind cos in the Bible all we have there is a story Jesus enta dere he pray he did dis and all that... Quran was written down in one language that is Arabic why is the bible not written down in the tru language... answer that...
shadeyinka: You avoided answering any of my direct questions. Nevertheless, I will d justice to yours
1. There is no evidence or proof that Angel Gabriel spoke to Mohammed. If there is, can you please provide...like you will say, When did Angel Gabriel introduce himself to Mohammed?
If you read the scriptures of the Jews or the Injeel, Angels always introduced themselves.
2. How did God send down the Injeel to Jesus? Since Jesus never wrote a book, how will you justify that. Or is it just an assumption? David was not the only author of the Psalms. The psalms were collections of Hymns and songs sang for worship in the temple during the time of king David. They were referred to as songs (psalms) of David. So, how did God send down a book to David?
Really! You Muslims hide under the guise that the Quran is written in Arabic to peddle outright lies and misinformation.
1. If a single word has not changed, how come the Caliph Usman ordered the burning of all other Quran save the version that belonged to Afsat? Convince me, Please I need explanation for this. 2. If a single word has not changed, what happened to the part of the Quran that was eaten by a "tame sheep"?
You repeat lies to yourselves but even when evidence to the contrary is presented, you throw still away the truth.
In other words, God speaks to people in their own language and dialect. God will not speak to YOU in Arabic or any other language except the language you UNDERSTAND.
I laugh at your lack of comprehension of a basic term like son of God. For even me, " I am a Son of God"
John1:2 but as many as did receive him (Jesus) to them he gave authority to become sons of God-- to those believing in his name, 13 who-- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but-- of God were begotten.
Luke 3:38 38 the [son] of Cainan, the [son] of Enos, the [son] of Seth, the [son] of Adam, the [son] of God.
Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim (a tribe of Israel) is my firstborn.
Even the author of the Quran was confused. He thought that God must have a wife like we humans to have a child. The same confused author redefined Trinity as God, Jesus and Mary. No wonder even the Quran CANNOT be understood without words of men like the Hadiths , Tefsirs etc. And its supposed to be simple words of allah!
have giving u a clear prove about ur question... the Bible said Jesus was entering many places preaching the gospel of God... that was injeel now where is the tru gospel of Jesus they have hide it, we have old and new testament and it stated in the Bible that that grass weadeth and so but the word of God will not change... now tell me we have many types of bible and its contradict itself....
shadeyinka: You avoided answering any of my direct questions. Nevertheless, I will d justice to yours
1. There is no evidence or proof that Angel Gabriel spoke to Mohammed. If there is, can you please provide...like you will say, When did Angel Gabriel introduce himself to Mohammed?
If you read the scriptures of the Jews or the Injeel, Angels always introduced themselves.
2. How did God send down the Injeel to Jesus? Since Jesus never wrote a book, how will you justify that. Or is it just an assumption? David was not the only author of the Psalms. The psalms were collections of Hymns and songs sang for worship in the temple during the time of king David. They were referred to as songs (psalms) of David. So, how did God send down a book to David?
Really! You Muslims hide under the guise that the Quran is written in Arabic to peddle outright lies and misinformation.
1. If a single word has not changed, how come the Caliph Usman ordered the burning of all other Quran save the version that belonged to Afsat? Convince me, Please I need explanation for this. 2. If a single word has not changed, what happened to the part of the Quran that was eaten by a "tame sheep"?
You repeat lies to yourselves but even when evidence to the contrary is presented, you throw still away the truth.
In other words, God speaks to people in their own language and dialect. God will not speak to YOU in Arabic or any other language except the language you UNDERSTAND.
I laugh at your lack of comprehension of a basic term like son of God. For even me, " I am a Son of God"
John1:2 but as many as did receive him (Jesus) to them he gave authority to become sons of God-- to those believing in his name, 13 who-- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but-- of God were begotten.
Luke 3:38 38 the [son] of Cainan, the [son] of Enos, the [son] of Seth, the [son] of Adam, the [son] of God.
Jeremiah 31:9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim (a tribe of Israel) is my firstborn.
Even the author of the Quran was confused. He thought that God must have a wife like we humans to have a child. The same confused author redefined Trinity as God, Jesus and Mary. No wonder even the Quran CANNOT be understood without words of men like the Hadiths , Tefsirs etc. And its supposed to be simple words of allah!
Mr shade yinka u are asking me that how do we know that is angel Gabriel... how do we know that is Gabriel that was sent by Allah to mary.... to be honest with u have really giving u a clear prove about the Qur'an u are just looking for a way to free ur self... I don't know when they said the should burn the Quran and if its tru it is already written in the final reveal that Allah(swt) will guide the book... and since then not a single word or letter has not change... a group of pple who are trying to disstabilize it They caught and that might be the reason why it was burn....
am glad u read the other verses that stated that God has many sons and even daughter... for ur information we are all children and slaves of God.... now tell me who is the tru son of God from what u have read above...
lol can you tell me those that wrote the quran? And did they hear from Allah? Common when are you people going to use your brain.
Mr olabenjamen this forum is not created to abuse any body but to share knowledge.. base on what u ask ... can u also tell us who wrote the bible ... thanks
shadeyinka: I believe that we have at least established that the Quran does NOT contain ONLY the words the perceived Allah. Now, we can focus on other issues you are raising.
The frying Pan calling the Kettle Black! Please answer this question: Where is the original copy of the Qur'an? Does it exist anywhere in the world?
Please, of the revealed devine scriptures, which one have you read?
What language do you think God speaks to men? Why would God give us so many languages when He intend us to use just one?
I have asked many questions here, please answer them.
You Muslims make blanket statements that you believe yet doesn't hold water. May you tell me the names of just two of the prophets sent to the Hausa, Yoruba, IBO, Ibibio, Chinese, English and Japanese.
Is the bolded statement really true?
Mark16:15-16 15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (NIV)
John3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Simple English: read in context.
How come in the Qur'an was not written in the order of Gods revelation. Don't you think its like breaking up a textbook into bunch of pages and rearranging it in a random manner? Who gave the permission to people to re-order Gods words?
Until you proof where the original texts are, the bold is false.
You display so much ignorance. Bible mean "BOOK". Have you not heard in the Qur'an of the people of the Book?
God did not send down the Torah or Psalms or any other scriptures. God asked men to chronicle His dealings with His people. Since you believe in the revealed Books. Have you read the Taurat, Zabur
Almighty ALLAH(swt) said to Muhammed(phub) the three books came from Allah to his prophet moses, David, Jesus and the final book to Muhammed and in the own context cos in the bible Jesus said I have no come to destroy the law, then what is the law contain that if someone make adultery they stone the person to death... Jesus came from the jews and the message he came to deliver was about peace and Quran was reveal to Muhammed in Aramaic and that is how the book is in its original context till today and that is how it will be till the day of judgement... and if u check it now adays all this technology nowadays has been reveal in noble Quran about how the earth was form, how baby form, fingerprint, the useful of honey, and so on... even the theologian testified to dat.... ask me and I will show u... thanks
And authority have been given to him, or why don't you read the verse downward. 22 The Father doesn’t judge anyone, but he has made his Son the judge of everyone. 23 The Father wants all people to honor the Son as much as they honor him. When anyone refuses to honor the Son, that is the same as refusing to honor the Father who sent him. I guess you notice that verse 23, that is the concept of Christianity. peace
Jesus Christ is not the only son of god in the bible we have many son of god even many begotten son... read ur bible very well... u will found it,.. and if u can find it I will show u as many verses where u will see it...
shadeyinka: I believe that we have at least established that the Quran does NOT contain ONLY the words the perceived Allah. Now, we can focus on other issues you are raising.
The frying Pan calling the Kettle Black! Please answer this question: Where is the original copy of the Qur'an? Does it exist anywhere in the world?
Please, of the revealed devine scriptures, which one have you read?
What language do you think God speaks to men? Why would God give us so many languages when He intend us to use just one?
I have asked many questions here, please answer them.
You Muslims make blanket statements that you believe yet doesn't hold water. May you tell me the names of just two of the prophets sent to the Hausa, Yoruba, IBO, Ibibio, Chinese, English and Japanese.
Is the bolded statement really true?
Mark16:15-16 15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (NIV)
John3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Simple English: read in context.
How come in the Qur'an was not written in the order of Gods revelation. Don't you think its like breaking up a textbook into bunch of pages and rearranging it in a random manner? Who gave the permission to people to re-order Gods words?
Until you proof where the original texts are, the bold is false.
You display so much ignorance. Bible mean "BOOK". Have you not heard in the Qur'an of the people of the Book?
God did not send down the Torah or Psalms o r any other scriptures. God asked men to chronicle His dealings with His people. Since you believe in the revealed Books. Have you read the Taurat, Zabur
in the Noble Quran which was reveal tru Angel Gabriel to prophet Muhammad (saw) God said to him that he him Almighty Allah that send down the three books to David ,moses,Jesus and him that send down the Quran to him as the final revelation to mankind... the Quran was written down in a place because that time there is no book when the message is reveal to him he will tell his followers and since then not a single word has been change... that is that.... Noble book was revealed in Arabic cos in Muhammad was originated from Arabic country and that's is the dialect... thank and mind u we have many begotten son in the Bible not only Jesus ask me for prove and I will tell u
shadeyinka: I believe that we have at least established that the Quran does NOT contain ONLY the words the perceived Allah. Now, we can focus on other issues you are raising.
The frying Pan calling the Kettle Black! Please answer this question: Where is the original copy of the Qur'an? Does it exist anywhere in the world?
Please, of the revealed devine scriptures, which one have you read?
What language do you think God speaks to men? Why would God give us so many languages when He intend us to use just one?
I have asked many questions here, please answer them.
You Muslims make blanket statements that you believe yet doesn't hold water. May you tell me the names of just two of the prophets sent to the Hausa, Yoruba, IBO, Ibibio, Chinese, English and Japanese.
Is the bolded statement really true?
Mark16:15-16 15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (NIV)
John3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Simple English: read in context.
How come in the Qur'an was not written in the order of Gods revelation. Don't you think its like breaking up a textbook into bunch of pages and rearranging it in a random manner? Who gave the permission to people to re-order Gods words?
Until you proof where the original texts are, the bold is false.
You display so much ignorance. Bible mean "BOOK". Have you not heard in the Qur'an of the people of the Book?
God did not send down the Torah or Psalms or any other scriptures. God asked men to chronicle His dealings with His people. Since you believe in the revealed Books. Have you read the Taurat, Zabur
shadeyinka: I believe that we have at least established that the Quran does NOT contain ONLY the words the perceived Allah. Now, we can focus on other issues you are raising.
The frying Pan calling the Kettle Black! Please answer this question: Where is the original copy of the Qur'an? Does it exist anywhere in the world?
Please, of the revealed devine scriptures, which one have you read?
What language do you think God speaks to men? Why would God give us so many languages when He intend us to use just one?
I have asked many questions here, please answer them.
You Muslims make blanket statements that you believe yet doesn't hold water. May you tell me the names of just two of the prophets sent to the Hausa, Yoruba, IBO, Ibibio, Chinese, English and Japanese.
Is the bolded statement really true?
Mark16:15-16 15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (NIV)
John3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Simple English: read in context.
How come in the Qur'an was not written in the order of Gods revelation. Don't you think its like breaking up a textbook into bunch of pages and rearranging it in a random manner? Who gave the permission to people to re-order Gods words?
Until you proof where the original texts are, the bold is false.
You display so much ignorance. Bible mean "BOOK". Have you not heard in the Qur'an of the people of the Book?
God did not send down the Torah or Psalms or any other scriptures. God asked men to chronicle His dealings with His people. Since you believe in the revealed Books. Have you read the Taurat, Zabur
This contradicts what is mentioned above in Matthew 15:24 and Matthew 1:21.Very Important: Mark 16:9-20 has been expunged in many Bibles . The New American Standard Bible put this part in brackets and wrote the following commentary: “Some of the oldest manuscripts omit Matthew verses 9 through 20.” The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures used by the Jehovah’s Witnesses, admits that certain ancient manuscripts add a long conclusion or a short conclusion after Mark 16:8 but some omit it entirely. The Revised Standard version prints the following footnote: “Some of the most ancient authorities bring the book to a close at the end of verse 8:” This means also that the resurrection is not true as this is described in Mark 16:9. C . But Jesus said in Matthew 28:19: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations.” M. “All nations” must be explained as “all the twelve tribes of Israel;” otherwise it contradicts Matthew 15:24 and Matthew 1:21. In the New American Standard Bible and the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures it is not translated as “all nations” of the world, but as “all the nations,” which means “the twelve tribes of Israel.” What do you think of the Bible’s authenticity now?
God created every living thing and non living thing both on dis earth and heaven... and God created everything not for anything but to serve Allah (swt).... thanks
Read this story and see why I'm reluctant to oblige to your request.
good morning Mr olaadegbu, do be angry with wat am asking u. I believe u created the topic and u know about it. I didn't come to dis group to create havoc or criticize. I came to dis group to share my own opinion. u would have come up with the topic that relate to Christianity and not islam because there is no compulsion in religion u will sure meet ur God where u put it.... my question again( should we consider bible a holy book after many verses that contradict it self , second where in the Bible Jesus him self introduce Christianity as a religion? thanks...
Read this story and see why I'm reluctant to oblige to your request.
good morning Mr olaadegbu, do be angry with wat am asking u. I believe u created the topic and u know about it. I didn't come to dis group to create havoc or criticize. I came to dis group to share my own opinion. u would have come up with the topic that relate to Christianity and not islam because there is no compulsion in religion u will sure meet ur God where u put it.... my question again( should we consider bible a holy book after many verses that contradict it self , second where in the Bible Jesus him self introduce Christianity as a religion? thanks
[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=51060126]It means as an eternal God who is one with the Father (Yahweh) , He created the universe - this validates the trinity concept of GOD [/quote) that means u disagree with the concept that Jesus create the earth... pls can u tell me where Jesus himself mention the Trinity in the Bible?
0temAtum: Yeshua was the first born of Mother Earthus. See the Doctufos passage here:
This is very vivid, makes me wonder why people would ever think of Faulkin as God Almighty even when Murmoh his father and Yahweh his adopted father are only qualified to be called the gods and not GOD ALMIGHTY in its entirety. The world has been deceived. Hmmm.
who is mother Earthus... and tell me why Jesus was not call yeshua in the Bible?
Mr olaadegbu all you doing is sending link and is not genuine enough... all what am asking, u couldn't answer... and I believe u brought up the topic base on what u know and understand... firstly, is bible holy or not and show me the verses in bible where jesus said I am a Christian. secondly, who is Jesus? messenger, god, or what?. will be glad if u can give me a nice response from the bible that doesn't contradict any verses... thanks
OLUWA mi in Yoruba cannot mean any other thing apart from "MY LORD"!. Every language including Arabic has pronouns of Me, You, Them, I, etc so as to avoid CONFUSION when referring to people. So, wouldnt the translators of the Quran have done necessary translation into the equivalent English language?.
Why do you use a different rule when reading the Bible in English language from that you use for reading the quran? Do you think this is fair? Is it right?
Is there a language that is untranslatable? If you were the translator of the Quran, if in Arabic "would you not have done necessary cadjustments to convey the same meaning in English language?
Check out this again, since every culture have personal pronouns by which they avoid ambiguities
Quran6:104 104. "Now have come to you, from your Lord, proofs (to open your eyes): if any will see, it will be for (the good of) his own soul; if any will be blind, it will be to his own (harm): I am not (here) to watch over your doings."
Can you please explain what this ayah means?
Quran27:91 91. For me, I have been commanded to serve the Lord of this city, Him Who has sanctified it and to Whom (belong) all things: and I am commanded to be of those who bow in Islam to Allah.s Will,-
Who is the ME? Who was given commandment here? The writer of the Quran?
Let's speak the truth when we see it even when it goes contrary to all we have learnt and made to believe. The impersonator of the Almighty allah sometimes make error of representation in his zeal and excitement.
Is the Quran really the pure words of Allah? No!
We Muslims believe in all the revealed Divine Scriptures, but in their original text. Jesus (pbuh) spoke Aramaic. Not English or Greek or Latin or any another language. Let us be very clear on this. So where is the original Bible in Aramaic? It does not exist! God sent to each nation a Prophet as a warner and bearer of good tidings, and some with a Scripture as guidance for their people. Examples: The Torah (Old Testament) to Moses, the Zabur (Psalms) to David, and the Injeel (New Testament-Good News) to Jesus. It is stated many times clearly in the Bible that Jesus (pbuh) himself said to his disciples “don’t go in the way of the Gentiles” meaning do not go to the non-Jews. As part of Allah’s original plan, He finally sent Muhammed (peace be upon him) as the Final and last Prophet with the Final Revelation, the Holy Qur’an as the guidance for all of mankind, irrespective of nationalities and for all times. Of these Scriptures only the Qur’an remains in its original text. so can u now show me in the bible where God said I have sent Bible for guidance for mankind.... I will also like to tell me the real name of Jesus? thirdly am still insisting that is bible a holy book? thanks...
thanks jossypet it means that Jesus was born again abi? in the bible if I show u someone that no father, no mother , no uncles, aunt, or linage as no beginning nor end in the bible. will u still consider Jesus a first born or last born or born again?... thanks
The Truth About the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit
PEOPLE who believe the Trinity teaching say that God consists of three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of these three persons is said to be equal to the others, almighty, and without beginning. According to the Trinity doctrine, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God. Many who believe the Trinity admit that they are not able to explain this teaching. Still, they may feel that it is taught in the Bible. It is worth noting that the word “Trinity” never occurs in the Bible. But is the idea of a Trinity found there? To answer this question, let us look at a scripture that supporters often cite to uphold the Trinity.
"THE WORD WAS GOD” John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” ( King James Version ) Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly shows that “the Word” is Jesus. ( John 1:14 ) Since the Word is called God, however, some conclude that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God. Bear in mind that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, translators rendered the Greek text into other languages. A number of Bible translators, though, did not use the phrase “the Word was God.” Why not? Based on their knowledge of Biblical Greek, those translators concluded that the phrase “the Word was God” should be translated differently. How? Here are a few examples: “The Logos [Word] was divine.” ( A New Translation of the Bible) “The Word was a god.” ( The New Testament in an Improved Version ) “The Word was with God and shared his nature.” ( The Translator’s New Testament ) According to these translations, the Word is not God himself. * Instead, because of his high position among God's creatures, the Word is referred to as “a god.” Here the term “god” means “mighty one.”
GET MORE FACTS Most people do not know Biblical Greek. So how can you know what the apostle John really meant? Think of this example: A schoolteacher explains a subject to his students. Afterward, the students differ on how to understand the explanation. How can the students resolve the matter? They could ask the teacher for more information. No doubt, learning additional facts would help them to understand the subject better. Similarly, to grasp the meaning of John 1:1 , you can look in the Gospel of John for more information on Jesus’ position. Learning additional facts on this subject will help you to draw the right conclusion.
For instance, consider what John further writes in chapter 1, verse 18 : “No man has seen [Almighty] God at any time.” However, humans have seen Jesus, the Son, for John says: “The Word [Jesus] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.” ( John 1:14 , KJ ) How, then, could the Son be part of Almighty God? John also states that the Word was “with God.” But how can an individual be with someone and at the same time be that person? Moreover, as recorded at John 17:3 , Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and his heavenly Father. He calls his Father “the only true God.” And toward the end of his Gospel, John sums up matters by saying: “These have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.” ( John 20:31 ) Notice that Jesus is called, not God, but the Son of God. This additional information provided in the Gospel of John shows how John 1:1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is “a god” in the sense that he has a high position but is not the same as Almighty God.
CONFIRM THE FACTS Think again about the example of the schoolteacher and the students. Imagine that some still have doubts, even after listening to the teacher’s additional explanation. What could they do? They could turn to another teacher for further information on the same subject. If the second teacher confirms the explanation of the first one, the doubts of most students may be put to rest. Similarly, if you are not sure what the Bible writer John was really saying about the relationship between Jesus and Almighty God, you could turn to another Bible writer for further information. Consider what was written by Matthew, for example. Regarding the end of this system of things, he quotes Jesus as saying: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” ( Matthew 24:36 ) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God? Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?
As you continue your Bible studies, you will become familiar with many more Bible passages that have a bearing on this subject. They confirm the truth about the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.— Psalm 90:2; Acts 7:55; Colossians 1:15
I love quoting the bible just that there a lot of contradicting verses in the bible and am confused...
9inches: The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father; but the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God.
how can son be father .... can ur son be u... and can god be born by human...
No! Mr olaadegbu what is servant king again? but u said Jesus is the creator and he is God... and God cannot be a servant again .... u are mixing things up and I wish to learn and convince that Jesus is God or he is the creature of the earth... am still asking a question ... there are many contradicting verses in the Bible ... the two verses cannot be correct at the same time or shld we consder the two verses wrong and it won't be holy book again or what... I will be happy if u answer me with dis ... threre are still alot in the bible wish I will like to everyone on this group to know... until u answer my question ... is bible holy or a book of history... thanks !
Do you know the Quran at all? You are only following hearsay! Let me give you just one example you've read almost everyday of your life without thinking or asking questions..the Al Fathia (maybe because its in Arabic..you don't understand)
Let me leave vs1 alone since its a common opening for almost all suras of the Quran
vs2. Who is the one ascribing praise to Allah? Mohammed, Jubril or one of the Caliphs
vs5. Who is the one worshiping Allah here?
vs6. I believe only a mortal or a jinn need fear the punishment that comes from going astray or what do you think? Is the Almighty Allah afraid of doing wrong to Himself?
vs6. Since God cannot go on a wrong path, who does this aya refer to?
vs7. Who is the THOU in ayat7? Or the Thee an Thine in vs5
You think everybody is ignorant of the Quran just because its written in Arabic?
The Quran is only the words of Allah indeed! Answer the Questions and tell me if the Quran is the pure words of Allah or what you've believed over years without question.
Let me quote another sura that may suggest that.
Please help me interpret the above. Is Allah worshipping something?
Allah will say: Say and then we know that whatever follows is what Muslims should say and not Allah
How about
Since Allah is present everywhere, who is the person speaking here?
Who was given commandment here? The writer of the Quran?
Have I not proven to you that you don't understand many things because it is hidden in Arabic, a language you don't understand!
Will you now affirmatively say that the Quran is the pure words of Allah? He who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.
You a sked a question, but your bias wouldn't allow you to learn
thanks take this for example thank God u under stand Yoruba if Yoruba ba said OLUWA MI at times it simply refers to when u are using the sentences in arabic the meaning of ALLAH is GOD cos in Arabic country when the angel is delivering the message to the prophet Muhammed (saw) it was in Arabic ALLAH is one meaning God is one... the entire Noble book is a word from ALLAH through the angel to the prophet and it dose not contradict it self like bible... thanks
Let me show you how the Word of God does not contradict itself taking Isaiah 43:10-11 that you brought up into consideration.
"You are My witnesses, says the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no saviour," (Isaiah 43:10,11).
This is the question:
Is God the Saviour of the world?
If you study this verse I quoted above objectively, you will discover the following:
There always has been and always will be only one true God.
There is no Saviour of the world except for this one true God.
Therefore, the Saviour of the world must be the one true God.
This leads to another question:
Is Jesus the Saviour of the world?
I do not think that anyone who has read the New Testament would dispute this. The Bible refers to Jesus as the Saviour: "and of the Saviour of us, Christ Jesus" --Titus 2:13.
Therefore, since:
The one true God is the only Saviour of the world (Isaiah 43:10,11), and
Jesus is the Saviour of the world (Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1),
Jesus must therefore be the one true God. No contradiction.
To deny that Jesus is the one true God, one would either have to deny that Jesus is the Saviour, or say that God is lying to us in Isaiah 43:11. Neither alternative fits with Scripture.
Does Titus 2:13 teach that Jesus is God our Saviour?
In Titus 2:13 it states the following:
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."
It is clearly stated from the Holy Scriptures quoted here that it is Jesus who is our great God and Saviour. There is no contradiction.
from the passage above its stated that MY SERVANT... who is the servant JESUS... now u said it ur self and are u still insisting that he is God or son of God?
Religion / Re: The Islamic Dilemma by Ahmed445: 5:59pm On Sep 16, 2017 