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Again, much love to my Nigerian family. I have nothing against you. But I'm also not going to let you degrade or lie on my people either.

flyingpig:
If I had to Google them, then they are not really famous, nor had significant inventions.

There is a reason why scientists Newton, Faraday, Einstein, Planck, Ohms, Curie and the rest of them are famous even to street urchins.

I'm so embarrassed for you. Must you continue to show the failings of the Nigerian school system? And must you out yourself as a street urchin?
Then again, most of you didn't even know about the TransAtlantic Slave Trade and that black Americans were brought over from Africa centuries ago, so I'll give you a pass.

No significant inventions? You heard of traffic lights? ironing board? refrigerated trucks? automatic elevator doors? breathing devices?

Since you're a beginner, we'll start slow. Begin with these 8: https://www.history.com/news/8-black-inventors-african-american

These are scientists: https://interestingengineering.com/the-a-z-list-of-black-inventors

A few more: https://www.biography.com/people/groups/black-inventors

A few black politicians, dating back to the 1800's: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/unknown-black-politicians_n_6633140

We've been attending ivy leagues since the 1800's. I may post more on that later. I don't have time right now. I've gotta go. But here's a list of more current, popular black American celebrities you may like that you did not know went to ivy league schools: https://www.essence.com/celebrity/celebs-ivy-league-schools/


Notice these are all mainstream/white sources--not blogs. With the exception of the last source Essence magazine which targets a black American audience.

flyingpig:
Someone else on this thread disagrees with you, says Nigerians in America do better than the African Americans.

Go and face that person.

There isn't a Nigerian on this forum who doesn't know that if we travel to anywhere in the world together I will receive much better treatment because of my blue passport than he will. In fact, he'll be held up in a custom's interrogation while I breeze through.

Again, if Nigerians were doing so much better than us in America, why are they banned from becoming citizens?

In one case 80 were arrested for fraud: https://abc7chicago.com/fbi-busts-nigerian-scammers-80-charged-in-massive-cyberfraud-conspiracy/5486947/

In a separate case, one of Nigeria's famed "entrepreneurs" was arrested for fraud: https://www.cfr.org/blog/us-arrests-celebrated-nigerian-entrepreneur-fraud

A few months later 10 Nigerians arrested in a romance scam: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/10-men-involved-nigerian-romance-scams-indicted-money-laundering-conspiracy

More than 300 Nigerians arrested in the US and Nigeria on fraud https://www.voanews.com/usa/hundreds-arrested-nigeria-us-online-fraud-charges

Look, I can keep going with this but I want to get to a few more posts before running off to get something done. But you get the point. And those are just large busts for fraud. I haven't even touched on the small potatoes.

ModestGal:
Lol, I love BAs, I love the strong spirit, their love for African but outward emotions of Africans dislike, I chat with many but none sounds like you.
You sound like a FRAUD and its hard to believe you ain't lieing, non of your style of writing matches the way the black Americans does. And the fact that your monicker is new, in a Nigerian dominated platform just doesn't match. I don't know why you will engage in faking really, not sense making at all.

Sounds like you do a lot of stereotyping. There's no one black American "style of writing". Fraud or not, pay attention to the facts that were typed. Who cares about the messenger?

I've had an account here for some time. I just don't post often. I'm sure there must be a way you can check out my post history.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add that Oprah donated $10 million of her personal money to build homes for black people after the hurricane in Katrina destroyed black neighborhoods.

khia:
Bowing Down! I hail you.

Love you, sis.

flyingpig:
And what have they arguably achieved?
All major inventions in science and art were done by Jews, Caucasians, is it just Hollywood and Sport that makes you brag like this

You’ve seriously embarrassed yourself with this quote.

Please google black American inventors. Also google black American scientists. I warn you, the list is long and will take you a while to sort through. We’ve been inventing since the 1800’s.

During Black History Month Target sold notebooks with the names of black American inventors on the front. Just the last names though because every halfway educated American knows who they are.

If I remember, I’ll come back and post a list for you later.

I’m so embarrassed for you. Then again you’re African so I’ll cut you some slack for not knowing everything about my people and our achievements.

There’s a reason we’re the most respected black group in the world. And it’s not because we were slaves but because we rose far beyond that to achieve great things when the odds were against us.

One love to my African family but the misinformation and lies won’t be tolerated.

ModestGal:
Truth be told, people like you are the type that those white people should have taken away from Africa, maybe by now, we would be advanced. People that would betray their own brothers, support their enemy.
Yes, black people commits crime, but they have one thing call one voice when they are attacked, even the UK black people are also like that. But African black people would still prefer to embrace their slave masters

Thank you. That is just one thing I love about being black American. When it comes down to it, we have each other’s backs. The educated, uneducated, rich, poor, famous and non-celebrities are speaking out, protesting and putting up money to support our fight against police brutality. We didn’t say that George Floyd isn’t educated or good enough to fight for. We see him as our brother. And we will fight for each other. Period.

There isn’t a black billionaire or millionaire that hasn’t donated to the black community or built schools and businesses for our people. More than one has stepped up to pay off college debts and tuitions at black colleges.

Diddy built a school in Harlem.

Lebron James built a school. Every graduate is going off to college in the fall on full scholarships.

Jay-Z has a scholarship.

Colin Kapernick and others have donated to pay the legal fees of our brothers and sisters being arrested for protesting right now.

Oprah put over 500 black boys through college from their first year till their last.

Magic Johnson built businesses like Starbucks and a movie theater (to name a few) in black neighborhoods to give black people jobs. He just created a grant for black businesses that suffered during our Corona closings.

Even Nicki Minaj paid off student loans for fans.

Those are just a FEW examples.

So those talking shit about black Americans and our useless athletes and entertainers, Bleep YOU. They do more for our people than your so called educated wealthy have ever done for you.

flyingpig:
You love the black people so much, I guess for engaging in crimes like theft, pimping, burglaries, cocaine trafficking, robbery, murder, gangsterism, and a horde shit of others.

They are (the ones in America), are a successful race but that does not go to say they don't have their ills.

Rewind to the Blacks here in Nigeria, why havent they become as successful as their racial siblings in the US?

Every group has “ills”-even white Americans. But I’m sure you think they’re perfect and that poor or uneducated white Americans don’t exist. Okay. That’s fine. Hold onto your delusion and selective critique of Americans.

Bottom line: Black Americans are the most successful, educated, richest and RESPECTED black group in the world.

flyingpig:
Racism to black Americans but not to black immigrants

What I smell hear is victim mentality of black Americans.

Nobody is holding them off any position. They should free themselves from victim slavery and go pursue their dreams. USA have given immigrants their dreams, how much more bonafide citizens.

Asians are the most successful immigrant group in the US. Egyptians are the most successful African immigrant group in the US.

A Nigerian manipulated data by comparing Nigerians to SELECT GROUPS OF SUBSAHARAN IMMIGRANTS. Then Nigerians ran with it instead of fact-checking.

If Nigerians were such a successful asset to America you wouldn’t be BANNED FROM APPLYING FOR CITIZENSHIP now. Trump didn’t ban ALL African countries-just a few. Nigeria was big on the list.

Why? Because there are more of you here causing trouble and not being successful. The manipulation of our census data is just one example of the type of dishonesty the American government has come to expect from many of you.

I love my African family but I won’t stand for the lies.

flyingpig:
You said blacks in Nigeria are more successful than blacks in USA.

If that is so, why do blacks in Nigeria migrate to USA for greener pastures if USA don't give room for the development of African Americans.

Truth is Nigerians love office jobs, while African Americans just care about being thugs, hip hop rappers and Hollywood actors.
Nobody is discriminating them in the Health sector. There were never cases where qualified African American students were denied of admission in recent years, nor denied from writing medical board exams.

You’re so misinformed it’s a shame.

80% of black Americans are middle class or higher socioeconomically. Compare that to how Nigerians are doing.

Black AMERICAN women are the most educated group in America. There are MANY educated and professional Black American men and women. At the same time there are many Nigerians in America who are scamming, committing crimes and working in low wage jobs. I’m sure you saw the mews story when the FBI arrested over 100 Nigerian scammers at ONE time, yes?

Don’t forget: Nigerians are only able to come to the US because we first BUILT this country, then gained our rights as black people, then PROTESTED for you to be able to bring your ungrateful asses over here. Our white government had you BANNED.

Recordings of former President Ronald Reagan making fun of African leaders at a summit have been released. (I’m sure you can find it on YouTube.) He talked about Africans being barefoot and acting like monkeys. And Trump famously said your countries are shitholes THEN banned you from entering. Yet you still claim Whites are so superior?

For the record: There are MANY accomplished and successful black Americans. We are doctors. Ben Carson was a celebrated brain surgeon who successfully performed the first surgery to separate twins joined at the head. We are astronauts. Look up Dr. Mar Jemison, a medical doctor who led a hospital in Africa before going into space. We are inventors. And we’ve been all of those things for HUNDREDS of years. We were in Ivy League schools as early as the 1800’s.

If you were so much better than us, why haven’t you built up your country? 2020 and you’re still struggling with 24-hour electricity? The majority are illiterate and unable to attend school because of school fees? The majority live off of less than $1 USD per week?

Stop embarrassing yourself and my other Naija family.

flyingpig:
America is what it is due to very strong and independent institutions, structured so by the Whites.

With due respect to the foreign exchange earned through export of plantation produce, that is not why America is a Democracy leader.

Everyone in America knows that black Americans built the country. Even Trump acknowledged that. But I guess you didn’t hear him when he said that, did you? No white American would ever claim they built the country.

You sound ridiculous.

They don’t have to pay out of pocket up front. Instead, they’re being asked to sign a promissory note to pay later. And the price is typically cheaper than market price.

These are private citizens who traveled and found themselves stuck. They would be flying back on their own anyway, but because of sudden travel bans needed to leave immediately or could not get a commercial flight. The US went to get them. They’re not removing diplomats or military personnel they sent over and are bound by duty to remove. They’re just looking out for their average citizens. Nothing wrong with asking them to pay later.

You guys sound racist and crazy. But you’re African so I understand your self-hate.

This situation had nothing to do with blackness. This is an affair of the heart. Any race walking in on their partner in this situation would have a similar outcome.

But keep thinking white and anything that’s not black is perfect. As crazy as that is given that there are many videos of ALL races carrying on this way in similar situations.

So it seems she’s still facing deportation and fighting it.

Why do I get the feeling she was a proud flag-waving Nigerian until this deportation situation happened?

Everyone in the diaspora is sooo proud of 9ja-until it’s time to live there.

KuwaiitiDinar:
I have made so many comments on topics like this on social media but let me add this, there is not bases for comparison between the two because they operate on different economic and social policies , but if you are an American!!! sure you will have a better life... when I mean Americans I am not including acquired citizenship through birth tourism and immigration...they give welfare like candies in America...it is a total difference world... In 2010 American government through the census bureau said that there are 383 million people living in America and only 10 million are Americans. Please be informed that America takes care of her citizens and still extend their hand to millions that flood their nation . If you are still in doubt ask those who are in America and are still struggling to bring more of their folks here. I repeat, it is not the same so cannot be compared... like comparing a lion with a cat. It is a highly industrialized society... not to compared with Africa as a whole let alone Nigeria.
I have tried to explain this to most immigrants and intending ones, but it seems it is not sinking.

And the welfare train is coming to an end for immigrants. I’m sure you’ve heard about that new immigration law.

Nigerians need to learn how to shut the Bleep up. America is good to you by even allowing you in-something we don’t have to do and are cutting down on. Then you come here and get arrested en masse for scamming, draining our welfare system. Just stop it already. Try living in your own country if it’s so great.

wirinet:
What most Nigerian at home don't know is that there is significant poverty is the US, even though it is no where near what we have in Nigeria. The bottom line is poverty is no respecter of race or country. One needs to imbibe an attitude of hard work and never accepting failure to make it anywhere.

Read this report of poverty in the US;

And we’re still better off than Nigeria.

Why are Nigerians so disrespectful and rude? Then you wonder why you’re not welcomed in foreign countries.

When have you ever heard of Americans going out of their way to try to disparage a host country? Then again it’s that inferiority Africans/Nigerians have. As Americans we don’t have to put other countries down in an effort to make ourselves look good.

I saw of clip of the South African discussion the claim of xenophobia against Nigerians. He said that you’ve been liberated since the 60’s and should’ve been building your country since then. Instead you regressed then move into their country, look at the people who actually built their country and call them lazy. Then you wonder why they have a problem with you. On top of that, many go there as beggars and contribute nothing.

That’s the same problem most countries have with you. Nigerians need to learn to shut your damn mouths and stop trying to denigrate the very countries you NEED in order to have a decent life. We’re gracious enough to let you in but all you do is complain and make these flawed, insane comparisons.

If Africa was better you wouldn’t be running from the continent. Learn to be gracious for the opportunity to live in another country. At the very least don’t try to bash.

Even better, fix your own country!

Just build your countries and give birth there. Sheesh.

BetWinners:
I am not really surprised at your dumb response to my post.Afterall,akatas are generally degenerate,ignorant scum.When you finally get what you seek for on this forum (A Nigerian prick) you will surely crawl back into the hole you crawled out of

I could just get Nigerian prick nearby. I don’t have to solicit it online.

You seem so terribly angry and emotional that I believe you’re a woman posing as a man. There’s been nothing masculine or mature in your responses. Mad that I’m here to take your men?

Why not channel your anger into improving the economy of your country so women won’t be forced to rely on men for money? Akata men led the march Civil Rights in America and improved life for their people over here. Maybe you can learn from that degenerate ignorant scum.

WorWorBoy:
She is your black American sister


Are you asking me?

I am because I’ve never heard of her but clearly you have.

BetWinners:
@Emboldened The Nigerian culture did not create any situation against women from working for their own money and there are millions of Nigerian women working and doing very well for themselves.It is the lazy ones who leech of men.Thesame way many women in the West also leech of men.Infact from my personal experiences,Nigerian women are learners compared to western women who are absolute masters in the leeching of men game.
If western women are so wonderful as your post filled with lies erroneously claim,why are western men travelling in droves to eastern Europe,Asia and south america to marry the women over there and ignoring their own western women?
If akata women are so great,why do akata men and men of other races in the USA not find them desirable for romantic relationships?
Your half-truths will only be believed by half-wits

This notion of western men running to other parts of the world to look for women is absolutely ridiculous. Most Americans are married to other Americans--whatever their nationality. And most akata men--the vast majority--are married to akata women.

So can you stop being so emotional and actually be rational.

If you think western women are bigger leeches than Nigerian ones, then good for you. Are you in Nigeria? If so, you should have no trouble at all finding a mate. But it seems the majority of your male peers disagree with you. So you can argue that amongst yourselves while I enjoy my life from the comfort of America.

Millions of Nigerian women working and doing well for themselves? In Nigeria?!!!

Whatever you do, don't lie. I know more about Nigeria its people and culture than you think.

WorWorBoy:
Western women are independent my foot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnQKkhn25aI

WHO is this woman?

And what is this video supposed to mean?

carter009:
True, people don't just love yoy for who you are, is only what they will get, relationships here is not worth it, there's this guy living near my street, he married an Asia woman from South Korea, they have two lovely kids together, she's young and pretty,, people envy them a lot,, he met her when he traveled to South Korea for business deal,,he's a business man who imports clothes. he said she sacrificed a lot for him when the are dating, and he loved her so much, he said most Nigerian girls are all after your money, they cheat a lot, bleeping from one guy to other, he said he knows that cheating in relationships is everywhere all over they world, but naija own is they worst.

I’m not saying it’s right but the Nigerian culture kinda created a situation where women must look to a man for money. What options does she have to earn her own. In the west women can provide for themselves so they seek more than money from a partner. They’re more concerned with love, companionship and the things money can’t buy. A man is a partner-not a lifeline or your only way to eat or get what you want financially.

Amakavula:
I don't deceive myself with Hollywood love trash. Respect and Value are the two most important things when a boy and girl come together.

Boy brings value : protection, money, Fame , height care and connection.

Girl bring Respect : fear of losing him, care , infatuation ( what you call love ) and mate guarding.

Even the oyibo you're dreaming of is looking for value : strength, sex prowess and "social point claims " ( i.e I am old but can still attract young men )

This Nigerian mentality towards relationships is not the way we view relationships in the west. Theresfore he would likely be better off with a foreigner. But OP what are your chances of meeting a foreigner in Nigeria?

Ugosample:
to me

there is NO difference whatsoever between the so called "akata" (I hate this term) and NiggerAreans

these are two groups of people who think too much of themselves but aint shit

our respective societies are broken and destroyed
most of our people are not useful to themselves or our societies

we have the outliers doing well
but the fact is that a Nigerian or Afro American should be the last people to raise shoulder for anybody

That is why I laugh when NoggerAreans try to show superiority complex over "Akata"

or "Akata" wants to show he is "superior" or better off than Nigerians

it's pot and Kettle
You are both black

Also, there are great differences between akatas and Nigerians.

The black Americans doing well are not the outliers. We actually make up the majority of the race. (Again, that 80% is verifiable.)

The only reasons SOME Nigerians try to show superiority is because of an inferiority complex. Your average educated black American who's living life is not running around trying to lord it over Nigerians. We don't have to. We feel completely comfortable in our skins.

Ugosample:
to me

there is NO difference whatsoever between the so called "akata" (I hate this term) and NiggerAreans

these are two groups of people who think too much of themselves but aint shit

our respective societies are broken and destroyed
most of our people are not useful to themselves or our societies

we have the outliers doing well
but the fact is that a Nigerian or Afro American should be the last people to raise shoulder for anybody

That is why I laugh when NoggerAreans try to show superiority complex over "Akata"

or "Akata" wants to show he is "superior" or better off than Nigerians

it's pot and Kettle
You are both black

For me, this is not about appearing superior or looking down on anyone. It's about the fact that you're not going to shit on my people OR my country. There are ways to discuss the pros and cons of various countries without trying to shit on one.

Celepope:
Hey Madam E-Warrior, your attack on Nigeria is becoming irritating and i am shocked no one has called you to order.It is shameful that you had to sneak in towards the later part of this thread to showcase the despicable nature you guys are none for towards we Nigerians.If anyone wants to talk bad about Nigeria it shouldn't be an African-American who we all know how nasty they are. I am not trying to be racist here but take away these good for nothing beings and watch America regain her fast dwindling glory. As regards the farce you spew about African American women being the most educated have been proven to be lie countless times. Why speak about African American women and exempting the men? An average African American man has been to jail. I schooled in two states and during the course of my studies (STEM course) i can count the number of African American male in my classes. I attended a community college in a black city (Baltimore) way back and you barely see them in school. Immediately financial Aid refund is disbursed you won't see them again in school. Take away sport and entertainment and these guys cannot be associated with anything in America (liability).The same Nigeria you are insulting though we may not have the best educational system but we are years ahead more educated and knowledgeable than the so called African Americans even in their own country. You don't want to have a discussion with them because their ignorance will blow your mind. I still owe the believe that America is the greatest country in the world but an African American should not be the one to tell us sh.it about Nigeria. Btw an Average African American has mental issues and this is evident in the outburst from this lady. That describe why they are called Akata for those that don't know .

More silly baseless stereotypes. Again, do RESEARCH instead of relying on the same old lies Nigerians tell to feel better about yourselves.

With all of your BS about black Americans, we are better off than you've ever been or will ever be. And we got to be that way by staying in our country and fighting for our rights. Those are the same rights that allow you to come over and try to better yourselves and your poverty stricken families.

Why not stay and develop your own country if you're so smart? That's because you're not. You're leeches.

If you were so gifted and smart, your country wouldn't be a shithole.

And we can talk about the Nigerian immigrants in the US and the LIE you keep repeating about being the most educated.

According to the US CENSUS--not an article written by a Nigerian--here's the actual data on the educational status of immigrants in the US.

EDUCATION ATTAINMENT IN US IMMIGRANTS (2016)
COUNTRY POPULATION 25 YEARS AND OLDER % WITH BACHELOR’S DEGREE OR HIGHER
India 2,130,989 77.8
Taiwan 346,326 72.3
Russia 316,995 65.5
Bulgaria 61,989 63.6
Egypt 152,626 63.2
France 149,854 61.2
Australia 75,335 60.0
Nigeria 262,603 59.5
Malaysia 59,662 59.3
Saudi Arabia 56,099 58.8

Here's additional information about US immigrants:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/17/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/

Now where's the proof black American women are not the most educated group?

Mental illness? You think doing rituals, relying on juju, kidnapping, cutting up human bodies and selling it in food and jungle justice are NORMAL?

Only a mentally ill person would think that if they don't see a lot of black people in their community college classes that means black people don't go to school.

TheEminentLaity:
It seems you have problems with comprehension. The conversation was between supposed nigerians talking about migration to foreign countries and comparing them and nigerian experiences within those countries. I am Nigerian, still identify culturally as one, so I chimed in. You on the other hand, a DoS american citizen/native who is so lost and confused culturally to the extent of creating a moniker with a nigerian slur towards african/black americans, ' Akata Woman' come here to keep reminding us, deviating from the discussion that the US is greater than Nigeria Aren't you ashamed? You never addressed any of the arguments, mainly because you are ignorant, not of your own doing but simply because you've never even left the shores of your country. But continue to arrogantly disrupt with 'develop Nigeria' talk.

Well, whatever development the US have is not being taken advantage of by a lot of you 'akata' (since you seem not to have a problem with the tag) folks. Start your activism and US development crusade from there. Get more of your people educated like developed countries with excellent literacy rates, there are too many of them in prison and involved in crimes. Look for the links yourself, ironic that the reasonable ones among you fighting for better conditions and opportunities don't deny the stats. 80% of black americans are middle class and upper my nigerian light-skinned äss


Nope, actually they those countries and institutions I worked in and for need me more than I do them. I'll soon be going somewhere else and I do have a choice. Things like this happen when you are actually valuable and know your stuff. Guess you'll never know what it is like in your little bubble. I've seen some of you african americans outside your country and see the startled look in your faces when you see Africans, yes the ones from 'shithole' places doing great and don't feel inferior like you expect only white people to in your race-based society. Enjoy, your America while some of US enjoy your TV music sports and movies from a distance.

It’s obvious you’ve never been outside of Nigeria or to America. That’s why you rely solely on google for your talking points. In your 10 million+ word missives you’ve never once discussed your personal observations of America/ns. It’s all recycled stereotypes from those who’ve never been here. Anyone who’s lived in America as an educated professional would be aware of the various socioeconomic classes in ALL races of people. It’s those that have never left the continent who believe all black Americans are in jail, poor and uneducated while all Whites are successful and rich.

Black American women are the most educated group in the US. If you actually lived here you would’ve met plenty-especially in a city like NY. (And I’m still shocked that in your extensive googled research on the US you haven’t been able to find the information about the socioeconomic status of akatas from our US government website.)

There’s no need for my activism. My ancestors took care of that. That’s why I don’t have to sit online making up lies in an attempt to mask my jealousy and embarrassment. I have a country I can be proud of.

Don’t get me started on the crime and illiteracy in Nigeria. Sad that such poor people are expected to pay for school from the cradle to the grave and as a result millions of your elementary-aged kids are not even in school.

And which is it? Do akatas not travel or did you run into us outside of our country shocked to see Africans doing well? That’s the thing about lies. They’re hard to keep straight.

And if the institutions you worked for needed you so badly, they wouldn’t keep letting you go. Clearly you were replaceable (if I’m to believe you ever worked abroad). You’re angry that you must deal with visas, immigration, and trying to find a job ANYWHERE that will keep you from returning to an embarrassing and literal shithole while akatas can live comfortably in our American bubble and be perfectly content not going anywhere.

Poor thing.

MikoB:
My brother you know nothing of what you are talking about, I am living in France and I can tell you is one of the best countries in the world if not the best, France is a country you can attain your potentials in all fields, I have seen many industries and companies owned by native Africans, France has the best medical care and remains number one in the world for that aspect, maybe your partner wants something done for her or him without going to the normal route, you mentioned sport just because of pogba and the rest in the national team, I can tell you there many pogbas in banking, telecommunication, businesses etc here in France, what most Nigerians don't understand is the they think USA is a heaven but far from it, I can bet you if you live here for one month you will not want to go back to that lawless USA full of crazy people with guns, by the way how many people die every year in USA because of careles gun law?

A better conversation for you to have is how to develop your country to the level of France or the US.

You cannot imagine how very foolish you look to someone on the outside critiquing developed countries while yours is literally a shithole.

Why are Nigerians so useless? If you're a man you should really be ashamed that you're not doing more to create a better country for your people.

TheEminentLaity:
US civilized? Where else in the world would a 7 year old child sit on the front porch of her house or in the park and get ridden by several bullets? Yes, Murica. 'Online tourist'? I told you to spare these 'wonderful America' stories for those who haven't lived there. By the way, you have no idea where I live or am at currently. FYI , I have schooled lived and worked in some major cities in the world that includes Madrid, London, Hong Kong and yes, NYC. You don't have to believe me but I know the US and you are rather the ignorant and less travelled one if not you would not call the USA civilized if you have experienced living and working in other cities in the West as a minority and black person

The US is obsessed with race and I mean everyone is identified through racial lenses. Other reasonable parts of the world, you may just be a foreigner and newcomer but in the US, you immediately become 'black' and have to identify with everything that comes with it. Has it stopped or reduced in 2019? No! Would it, with Donald Trump?

You don't live in such places where drive-by happens, fine but do the people in all the recurrent massacres also live in the ghettos? or the school children who get caught in some psycho's rampage episodes. Don't the cops repeated use extreme measures for black people unnecessarily? Is racial discrimination a thing of the past in the US?

My comments never compared Nigeria to the US. Save yourself the stress. Nigeria is a shithole, unless/until you're rich. I only made analogies which you seem not to understand. Here it is again, from the outside Nigeria looks great to foreigners who have never lived in it, not visited because of the great music and popular movies and people. But make no mistake about it, living in Ghana, Rwanda, CIV, Botswana, Kenya ... are waaay better and offer much better quality of life than everyday living in Nigeria for regular people, which most people whose income bracket is less than $500,000 pa are.

By the way, Americans would get taxed by the IRS even as dual citizens coupled with 'work comes before personal life' culture with few days off, and crippling debt, are the reasons they do not go to other countries. How about you read about the experiences of Americans who left the US and moved to Europe and see if majority would ever want to go back to the land of home edition assault rifles and Donald Trump.

I have to include a rejoinder here, so it won't be like I'm just hating because I'm not. I only retort at the ignorance, which is understandable, of many here hailing the US as the 'pinnacle of civilization' and 'greatest country in the world' which makes me laugh in Japanese.
The US is great and has great education and anything on earth any other nation in the West offers sometimes even better and it is indeed the most powerful nation in the world by miles as their defence budget of over $7trillion p.a collapses that of the next country Russia, but here them talk about public healthcare, they say they don't want to fund lazy people but their taxes go into needless wars and destabilising regions around the globe while their people go homeless, starve and rot in prison without education and the casualties are the minority some of whom are here cheering them on

Never in my life was I afraid to walk around at night in public places in all my sojourn abroad like I was in the US. You just might end up in Compton looking for public transportation. Or the number of extremely poor and homeless people in a country that gives so much foreign aid. One shooting incident was enough for me and my foreign äss. Watching local news, which the US is great at, is enough to see the real happenings in the city. Just visiting, getting an education, the US is beautiful and nice. Living and raising a family? I'll pass over and over again, Thank you.

About being denied visa to the US , not everyone from Africa and Nigeria is an economic migrant you ignorämus. I no longer live in Nigeria but aren't you ashamed it is only against Nigeria you seem to flex your US muscles of civilization against? Nonsense and ingredient

OMG! I just noticed a few lines from this post that I missed in my original skim. They're laughable. Despite all you typed, America remains the best country on earth--the one of many you chose to live in.

The shooter of a 7 year old girl sitting on her porch is someone who would be imprisoned in the US. That's what happens in a civilized country. In Africa/Nigeria a tire would be thrown around his neck and he'd be set on fire or receive some other type of jungle justice. That is BARBARIC and UNCIVILIZED (but oh so African/Nigerian). Worse, he could just pay a bribe and go on with his life.

Or are you uneducated enough to suggest that civility is found in a country's ability to control the actions of its citizens--as if programming a robot--and that a country is uncivilized because some of its citizens made poor, criminal choices?

No, an UNCIVILIZED society is one that accepts or turns a blind eye to inhumane behavior. I'm not even going to get into some of the widespread inhumane African practices that are considered acceptable.

And yes I do flex my US muscles of civilization against Nigerians/Africans. People from developed countries have room to talk. Not surprisingly, they don't. You won't see them on websites typing entire novels about how bad the US is and undeserving of its reputation. Instead, they're too busy enjoying the same quality of life I do.

And Africans and Nigerians ARE economic immigrants. You're not going to developed countries to contribute but to take advantage of the opportunities presented to you there.

TheEminentLaity:
Another thing, for those going to America, don't be surprised when you know more about America, need I say the world?, than the people you meet there



You do know there are many people like this, even in Nigeria?? "I haven't seen or experienced it, therefore, it doesn't exist in my little America"

Take a tour round your country before you venture into the world. It's obvious you haven't lived outside the US, and even in the US you are in your own bubble.

Most americans can't afford to live in NYC, fact! whether they want to live there or not is secondary. Isn't it the same country where a lot of people would struggle with $1000 emergency? or stats change because you haven't experienced. I never experienced Boko Haram or sold gala on the streets of Lagos, like all the nigerians here commenting.

Nobody is asking you to bash your country. It's only natural to defend your ego it but objectively having lived and worked in places including the US, The US is overrated and the media actually deceives people about the reality

Come back when you've actually lived outside of America, not just visiting. And for the final time, this isn't US vs Nigeria or Africa, even your president called them shitholes. Do something like US vs the G7 countries (experience them) and come back before I reply you again.

80% of black americans are middle class and higher socioeconomically do they teach you guys in US schools how to lie to people in the third countries too? You think say cable TV and internet no dey Nigeria/Africa? Chai!

Abeg Madam go sleep! We love your music and movies and entertainment and your president too

Have you noticed how people from developed countries don't have pissing contests about which country is the best? That's because we don't have to. We FEEL GOOD ABOUT OURSELVES AND WHERE WE'RE FROM. ;DThe same clearly cannot be said for Nigerians like you.

It makes you angry that (black) Americans are doing so well, simply because by cosmic lottery we were born in the greatest country on earth-while you struggle to find a developed country to take you in. Then add to that the poor reputation and treatment Nigerians receive around the world and I can understand why you're so angry.

I don't have to live in another country because mine is the best. I've visited many, many countries before and enjoyed them all. And I've met people from developed countries during my travel. And not once did we try to put each other's countries down or prove how ours was so much better than the other. The irony is that it's only people from the most barbaric, undeveloped countries that do that.

Maybe if you stay in your country long enough to develop it, you'll feel so good about your own country you won't have to try to disparage someone else's.

And where did I say that if I don't see something it doesn't exist?

I know that ghettos and poor places exist in America. WE ALL DO. And most of us avoid them. Because it's easy to do. In Nigeria YOU CANNOT AVOID THE POVERTY, but you can live an entire lifetime in America and never see ghettos or homeless people. And you don't have to stay on your front porch either. In Nigeria you can't even drive on major streets without sellers approaching you. The poverty is EVERYWHERE and IN YOUR FACE. Danger is always a real and present threat to you. You're a liar to say otherwise.

To your other points:

--$1,000 emergency? But we all still have a better quality of life and live better than you.
--There are many, many poor people living in NYC. You think that street hawker is rich? Those who want to live in NY do. Most don't want to. Your NYC argument makes no sense. I think you're applying your Nigerian world view to America--which tells me you've never left the country.
--Check US government sites and records to find out how black Americans are doing socioeconomically in the US. Much better than the people in your country. That's for sure.

Jealousy oozes from every sentence you typed.

pansophist:
All you did here was just call me names, made baseless claims, such as being denied a visa/deported, and claim that I ran off to suck another country. These are all unwarranted. Everything I wrote on this thread about the US is easily verifiable fact online, can you at least point out what I wrote about the US that is not true? Please do, I anticipate your debunk.

Now to respond to your point, no, I have not being deported or denied a visa, simply because I do not need a visa to enter the US in the first place. Furthermore, there are lots of Chinese and foreigners living in Nigeria, does it mean they are there to suck from Nigeria? the world is your oyster, be free to travel and explore. Additionally, I am not sure if you know that Nigerians abroad remit billions of dollars back home yearly? One does not need to live in Nigeria to assist in its development, as FDI and capital will do the job efficiently.

https://allafrica.com/stories/201903080097.html

Also, spotlighting the downside of America is not hate, and as a corollary, spotlighting the upside of Europe is not love, it's just stating the objectively verifiable fact. I do not hate America, but again, I am not blind to its downsides, and for that, I do not fancy living there, and also do not consider it the greatest country. Be free to believe whatever you want about the US. All power to you, but please, be civil in your replies henceforth.

Nigerians send money home (that they're getting from OTHER COUNTRIES=SUCKING FROM THAT DEVELOPED COUNTRY'S TEAT) so their families can flex and pretend to be something they're not. That's not assisting in Nigeria's development. It's the same selfish, self-centered "I'm only looking out for me and mine" mentality that keeps the country from progressing. Nigerian's have been doing that for decades but still the country doesn't even have 24-hour electricity much less any type of real development.

I'm just so glad my parents' generation didn't flee the country and send money back home thinking it would advance the life of black people. Instead, they understood the real work had to be done ON GROUND.

ALL countries have their downsides. Sitting around trying to talk down on a country-when yours is so bad you can't provide for your own family without sucking from another country's teat--is ridiculous at best. It must be some type of mental illness.

And sure there are Chinese and foreigners in Nigeria. But they didn't have to scam and take part in green card marriages to get there. Furthermore, they don't have to live there in order to be able to send money home to provide for their families. Foreigners are there to GIVE and IMPROVE. I'm not even going to get into the Chinese takeover that's happening.

And I do not have to be civil to anyone disrespecting MY COUNTRY.

You didn't like hearing Trump call yours a shithole so don't think you can disparage anyone else's. You need to be in Nigeria trying to build yours up to US standards.

Saintp:
Na waa ooo. So people will just come online and be arguing about countries that are not their own? Countries that are far better than their own can ever be
.
This argument would have made sense if Nigeria is at the same level with these countries or those making these arguments are citizens of America or Europe.

But a Nigerian arguing about which country is better among these first world countries is plain stupidity instead the argument should be how to make Nigeria get to the level of these countries.

EXACTLY.