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solite3:
If the books in my Bible don't follow a chronological arrangement, what was the order in which they were written?
The following list arranges the books of the Bible according to their most probable dates.

Old Testament

Job--Unknown
Genesis--1445-1405 B.C.
Exodus --1445-1405 B.C.
Leviticus --1445-1405 B.C.
Numbers--1445-1405 B.C.
Deuteronomy--1445-1405 B.C.
Psalms--1410-450 B.C.
Joshua--1405-1385 B.C.

solite.3:
The date in which the books of the bible were written matches the time frame when the authors were alive or atleast close to it.
The book of enoch (a man that was the saventh after Adam) was recorded to be written about 300 BC. This is a clear case of fraud nothing less

The timeline for Psalms seems odd. Was it written at a time close to when Moses & Joshua were alive?

Please I need some help, can someone help me "SENSE LIFE" in these verses?

Songs of Solomon 4 v 1-5;

1 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.
2 Thy teeth are like a flock of sheep that are even shorn, which came up from the washing; whereof every one bear twins, and none is barren among them.
3 Thy lips are like a thread of scarlet, and thy speech is comely: thy temples are like a piece of a pomegranate within thy locks.
4 Thy neck is like the tower of David builded for an armoury, whereon there hang a thousand bucklers, all shields of mighty men.
5 Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies.


I'm very curious why this erotic and romantic book is hardly preached from in a typical church today.

Ihedinobi3:
You are not one of us, budaatum. You're the worst kind of human being there is.You do not want Salvation, and you will not let those who want it have it in peace. You are forever looking for obstacles to throw in the way of those who are on the high road to Jerusalem, if perhaps you can cause some to go lame or be discouraged and turn back. Maybe you will repent one day and submit to the Lord Jesus and be saved. Until then, you are simply building up God's Anger against you, and when He pours it out on you, you will wish that you were never born.

More venom spilling out... from the "best kind of human being there is"

Lol... I guess the believers in these churches below didn't "sense life" in the other books outside of the 66 books which they also consider scriptures

1) Syriac Orthodox Church
2) Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
3) Eastern Orthodox churches
4) Russian Orthodox churches
5) Georgian Orthodox churches
6) The Anglican church
7) The Roman Catholic church
8 ) The Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church




Oh well..

Just as I expected, one of the members of the 66 books crew is implicitly telling us the following churches are apostate churches for believing more than 66 books makes up the scriptures;

1) Syriac Orthodox Church
2) Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
3) Eastern Orthodox churches
4) Russian Orthodox churches
5) Georgian Orthodox churches
6) The Anglican church
7) The Roman Catholic church
8 ) The Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church


I simply wonder why one of the earliest versions of the English Bible had more than 66 books!

Oh well, modern Protestant views on the scriptures are ironically what some fellows hold as the truth
Modern Protestant traditions do not accept the deuterocanonical books as canonical, although Protestant Bibles included them in Apocrypha sections until the 1820s. However, Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches include these books as part of their Old Testament.

I am patiently waiting for the "66 books is the inspired and complete word of God" crew to tell us the following churches are apostate churches for believing in more than 66 books;

1) Syriac Orthodox Church
2) Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
3) Eastern Orthodox churches
4) Russian Orthodox churches
5) Georgian Orthodox churches
6) The Anglican church
7) The Roman Catholic church
8 ) The Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church

Russian and Georgian Orthodox Churches include:
2 Esdras i.e., Latin Esdras in the Russian and Georgian Bibles
There is also 4 Maccabees which is only accepted as canonical in the Georgian Church, but was included by St. Jerome in an appendix to the Vulgate, and is an appendix to the Greek Orthodox Bible, and it is therefore sometimes included in collections of the Apocrypha.

The Syriac Orthodox tradition includes:
Psalms 151–155
The Apocalypse of Baruch
The Letter of Baruch


The Ethiopian Biblical canon includes:
Jubilees
Enoch
1–3 Meqabyan
and some other books.


The Anglican Church uses some of the Apocryphal books liturgically, though rarely and with alternative reading available. Therefore, editions of the Bible intended for use in the Anglican Church may include the Deuterocanonical books accepted by the Catholic Church, plus 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh, which were in the Vulgate appendix.

In addition to the above,

The Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches recognize the following:

3 Maccabees
1 Esdras
Prayer of Manasseh
Psalm 151

The Roman Catholic Church recognizes:

Tobit
Judith
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
Wisdom
Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus)
Baruch
The Letter of Jeremiah (Baruch Chapter 6)
Greek Additions to Esther (Book of Esther, chapters 10:4–12:6)
The Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children verses 1–68 (Book of Daniel, chapter 3, verses 24–90)
Susanna (Book of Daniel, chapter 13)
Bel and the Dragon (Book of Daniel, chapter 14)

THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE CONT'D

Apocryphal or deuterocanonical books

In Eastern Christianity, translations based on the Septuagint still prevail. The Septuagint was generally abandoned in favour of the 10th-century Masoretic Text as the basis for translations of the Old Testament into Western languages. Some modern Western translations since the 14th century make use of the Septuagint to clarify passages in the Masoretic Text, where the Septuagint may preserve a variant reading of the Hebrew text. They also sometimes adopt variants that appear in other texts, e.g., those discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

A number of books which are part of the Peshitta or the Greek Septuagint but are not found in the Hebrew (Rabbinic) Bible (i.e., among the protocanonical books) are often referred to as deuterocanonical books by Roman Catholics referring to a later secondary (i.e., deutero) canon, that canon as fixed definitively by the Council of Trent 1545–1563. It includes 46 books for the Old Testament (45 if Jeremiah and Lamentations are counted as one) and 27 for the New.

Most Protestants term these books as apocrypha. Modern Protestant traditions do not accept the deuterocanonical books as canonical, although Protestant Bibles included them in Apocrypha sections until the 1820s. However, Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches include these books as part of their Old Testament.

Sources:

1) The Masoretic Text and the Dead Sea Scrolls – biblicalarchaeology.org. Retrieved 26 December 2012.

2) "Dead Sea Scrolls" (PDF). Retrieved 6 June 2013.

3) Council of Trent: Decretum de Canonicis Scripturis "Decree Concerning the Canonical Scriptures", from the Council's fourth session, of 4 April 1546: Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, The Fourth Session, Celebrated on the eighth day of the month of April, in the year 1546, English translation by James Waterworth (London 1848).

4) The Council of Trent confirmed the identical list/canon of sacred scriptures already anciently approved by the Synod of Hippo (Synod of 393), Council of Carthage, 28 August 397, and Council of Florence (originally Council of Basel), Session 11, 4 February 1442 – [Bull of union with the Copts] seventh paragraph down.

5) "Paragraph 120". Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition. Libreria Editrice Vaticana. 2012. Retrieved 6 August 2014.

THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE CONT'D

OLD TESTAMENT


The books which make up the Christian Old Testament differ between the Catholic (see Catholic Bible), Orthodox, and Protestant (see Protestant Bible) churches, with the Protestant movement accepting only those books contained in the Hebrew Bible, while Catholic and Orthodox traditions have wider canons. A few groups consider particular translations to be divinely inspired, notably the Greek Septuagint and the Aramaic Peshitta. The Old Testament consists of many distinct books produced over a period of centuries: The first five books – Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, book of Numbers and Deuteronomy – reached their present form in the Persian period (538–332 BC), and their authors were the elite of exilic returnees who controlled the Temple at that time. The books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel and Kings follow, forming a history of Israel from the Conquest of Canaan to the Siege of Jerusalem c. 587 BC.

These history books make up around half the total content of the Old Testament. Of the remainder, the books of the various prophets – Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the twelve "minor prophets" – were written between the 8th and 6th centuries BC, with the exceptions of Jonah and Daniel, which were written much later. The "wisdom" books – Job, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Psalms, Song of Solomon – have various dates: Proverbs possibly was completed by the Hellenistic time (332–198 BC), though containing much older material as well; Job completed by the 6th century BC; Ecclesiastes by the 3rd century BC.


Sources;

1) The Cambridge companion to biblical interpretation. Barton, John, 1948– (1st ed.). Cambridge.
2) Eerdmans commentary on the Bible. Dunn, James D. G., 1939–, Rogerson, J. W. (John William), 1935–. Grand Rapids, MI: W.B. Eerdmans. 2003.
3) Crenshaw, James L. (2010). Old Testament wisdom : an introduction (3rd ed.). Louisville, Ky.: Westminster John Knox Press.

THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE;

A Christian Bible is a set of books that a Christian denomination regards as divinely inspired and thus constituting scripture. Although the Early Church primarily used the Septuagint or the Targums among Aramaic speakers, the apostles did not leave a defined set of new scriptures; instead the canon of the New Testament developed over time. Groups within Christianity include differing books as part of their sacred writings, most prominent among which are the biblical apocrypha or deuterocanonical books.

Significant versions of the Christian Bible in English include the Douay-Rheims Bible, the Authorized King James Version, the English Revised Version, the American Standard Version, the Revised Standard Version, the New American Standard Version, the New King James Version, the New International Version, and the English Standard Version.

And just to add to the ignorant attacks being made on the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church because they regard the book of Enoch and other extra books as scriptures.

Take a look at the role the Ethiopian Church played in the reformation;

Influence on the Reformation
David Daniels has suggested that the Ethiopian church has had a stronger impact on the Reformation than most scholars acknowledge. For Martin Luther, who spearheaded the Reformation, Daniels says "the Ethiopian Church conferred legitimacy on Luther’s emerging Protestant vision of a church outside the authority of the Roman Catholic papacy" as it was "an ancient church with direct ties to the apostles". According to Daniels, Martin Luther saw that the Ethiopian Orthodox Church practiced elements of faith including "communion in both kind, vernacular Scriptures, and married clergy" and these practices became customary in the Lutheran churches.

In 1534, a cleric of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, Michael the Deacon, met with Martin Luther and affirmed the Augsburg Confession as a "good creed".In addition, Martin Luther stated that the Lutheran Mass agreed with that used by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. As a result, the Lutheran Churches extended full communion with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.


SOURCES;

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2017/11/how-ethiopia-influenced-the-reformation/

Daniels, David D. (21 October 2017). "Honor the Reformation's African roots". The Commercial Appeal. Retrieved 9 April 2018.

Daniels, David D. (2 November 2017). "Martin Luther and Ethiopian Christianity: Historical Traces". University of Chicago. Retrieved 9 April 2018. Luther expressed his approval of the Church of Ethiopia along with his embrace of Deacon Michael in a letter dated July 4, 1534: “For this reason we ask that good people would demonstrate Christian love also to this [Ethiopian] visitor.” According to Luther, Michael responded positively to his articles of the Christian faith, proclaiming: “This is a good creed, that is, faith” (see Martin Luther, Table-Talk, November 17, 1538 [WA, TR 4:152-153, no. 4126]).

Daniels, David D. (31 October 2017). "Martin Luther's fascination with Ethiopian Christianity". The Christian Century. Retrieved 9 April 2018. Luther extended full fellowship to Deacon Michael and the Ethiopian Church, an invitation Luther withheld from the Bohemian Brethren (the Hussites) and Reformed Churches connected to Ulrich Zwingli.

NOW BASED ON THE LAST POST, JOSEPHUS COMPARED THE DOCTRINE OF THE ESSENES TO SOME GREEK BELIEFS WHICH AN IGNORANT FELLOW USED TO SLANDER THE ESSENES.

NOW DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO EXAMINE THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND OTHER RELIGIONS & OR PAGAN BELIEFS...AND ON THAT GROUNDS SLANDER CHRISTIANITY?

For a start, let's look at some similarities between Christianity & Bhuddism (which was an established religion prior to Christianity)

FINAL PART