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4 Him:
You're probably confused: here is what you googled - Vaccines are medications that are designed to stimulate the body's immune system to generate a response that will protect the individual from disease by the pathogen in question.

Here is what i wrote - a vaccine DOES NOT treat a disease but sensitizes the immune system to recognise a specific antigen. Immune memory from vaccines last a lifetime.

What is the difference between the two?

A vaccine is not a medication in that it is not the same thing as taking panadol for a headache. panadol does not generate an immune response to a specific antigen. A vaccine, unlike a drug/medication which are mostly ligands for cellular receptors, is a weakened version of an antigen that is recognised by T-cells which then induce lasting memory B-cells to generate an immediate immune response when next they come across that particular antigen.

You are going into pharmaco-kinetics.  You said vaccines are not drugs and that was what alerted me.  I am not confused.  Medications do different things other than treat illness.  Which school you go sef?  Please stop disgracing me!

LASIEFAIRE:
I acknowledge there are other factor involved in this, but I maintain sheer ignorance is the prevailing factor. bringing up a 1996 report is like an African American bringing up the case of Birmngham. That is in the past, it was recognized and it must have being taken well into account, so that it is not repeated. Even if they provide alternatives the ignorant northerner will always be the ignorant northerner - everly thinking the south is against them

Say what?

If you do not learn anything from history. . .then. . . you are heading into the abyss! Till today America still makes reference to the "Tuskegee Experiment"!  Just for ethical purposes to remind everyone that people can be dubious! Not to talk of something that happened in 1996 for a country that is just 47 years old!  So we should forget it?

The joys of the "Nigerian Educational System"!!! To cram, spit out and forget!

Uche2nna:
I don't think they are questioning the efficacy but they are definitely questioning the source

Simple!!!!

Gosh!

4 Him:
Madam, you don't boycott vaccines because of failed drug trials . . . like someone suggested, what was the alternative that the northern governments provided beyond continuing to be the reservoir of the world's cases of the polio virus?

You are missing the point. . . you need to look at the Nigerian environment and what is responsible for all this nonsense. I am not saying people should boycott the vaccination excercises. . .I would not blame them if they do. People are suspicious and if you do not educate them and reassure them that you can be trusted. . .I don't think they would let you inject them with eternal life!!!!!

4 Him:
haba, polio affects mainly children.
If it were just a case of "God's mercies" then why hasnt that mercy been extended up north?

Again, please note . . . these are VACCINES not DRUGS . . . there is a huge difference between the two.
A drug treats a disease, a vaccine DOES NOT treat a disease but sensitizes the immune system to recognise a specific antigen. Immune memory from vaccines last a lifetime. That is why you don't get chicken pox twice.

Sorry, the last time I checked. . . vaccinations are drugs/medication used to boost the immunity system. . .ma area of specialty remember?   I know I am an olodo to you so let me give you proof!

Vaccines are medications that are designed to stimulate the body's immune system to generate a response that will protect the individual from disease by the pathogen in question. The first vaccination was performed by Edward Jenner who had noticed that dairy maids who had had cowpox infection (Vacca = cow in Latin) did not succumb to the deadly smallpox infection that was claiming many lives at the time.

http://www.malaria-vaccines.org.uk/2.shtml

Go and google it! Simple!

The Trovan trial
Suspicions about Western health interventions were already circulating in northern Nigeria, ahead of the polio vaccination boycott, in the wake of Pfizer's 1996 “Trovan trial” [24–26]. The trial was discussed in detail in a BMJ feature entitled “Pfizer accused of testing new drug without ethical approval” [24].

In brief, the BMJ reports that in 1996 Pfizer sent a team to Kano during an epidemic of meningococcal meningitis. To test the efficacy of its new antibiotic trovafloxacin (Trovan), the team conducted an open-label trial in 200 children—half were given the gold standard treatment for meningitis, ceftriaxone, and half received trovafloxacin. Five of the children given trovafloxacin died, together with six who were given ceftriaxone. The BMJ reported: “The Washington Post has been investigating the trial and alleges that at least one child was not taken off the experimental drug and given the standard drug when it was clear that her condition was not improving—which is against ethical guidelines.” The BMJ reported that the Nigerian health minister appointed a federal investigative panel to determine whether the trial was conducted legally, and if so, whether it was morally right.

On May 7, 2006, The Washington Post reported that it had been privileged to see a secret report of the panel's investigation, which alleged that Pfizer undertook an “illegal trial of an unregistered drug” when the company enrolled children into the Trovan trial [27]. In response to the leaked report, Pfizer issued a press statement saying: “Pfizer is confident that no one associated with the Trovan clinical study—conducted in Kano, Nigeria during a meningitis epidemic in 1996—ever put a patient's health at risk and that the company acted in the best interests of the children involved in the study, using the best medical knowledge available” [28].

In 2001, 30 Nigerian families sued Pfizer in a federal court in New York [29]. The suit alleged: “Pfizer chose to select children to participate in a medical experiment of a new, untested and unproven drug without first obtaining their informed consent.” During the following four years, Pfi zer argued that the case should not be heard in a United States court at all [30]. In August 2005, Southern District of New York Judge William H. Pauley III agreed, ruling that Nigeria, not the US, was the proper place to try a lawsuit over Pfizer's conduct in the Trovan trial [31].

http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0040073&ct=1&SESSID=23e8c2e23d698f7d4f08c41e4ba800ba

If something like this happened in your village, would you not boycott anything else?

Background to the Boycott

The historical context

The polio vaccination boycott should not be considered in isolation, but rather in the context of the history of orthodox health services in northern Nigeria. Generally, utilization rates of orthodox health-care services in the region have always been low. For instance, comparative utilization rates of southern Nigeria versus northern Nigeria were 50% versus 18% in 1990 (i.e., half of people in the south used orthodox health services, compared with less than one fifth in the north), 60% versus 11% in 1999, and 64% versus 8% in 2003 [18–20].

Other historical factors that fed into the polio vaccination boycott include population and fertility regulation. In the 1980s, President Babangida's administration adopted a population policy that set a limit of four children per woman. Some people connected this population control campaign with immunization, believing that vaccination was one way the government might be reducing the population [21]. This belief was not restricted to northern Nigeria—similar opinions were also expressed in some communities in southern Nigeria.


For example, in an anthropological study carried out in Nigeria [22], an adult male participant stated that “people do carry rumour that immunisation is a secret way of controlling population.” A young female participant said “some people say that immunisation is part of the methods used to check the number of children a woman can bear.”

Another important factor that played a role in the polio vaccine boycott was the general distrust of aggressive, mass immunization programs in a country where access to basic health care is not easily available [16]. In his report for the Baltimore Sun, John Murphy wrote: “The aggressive door-to-door mass immunizations that have slashed polio infections around the world also raise suspicions. From a Nigerian's perspective, to be offered free medicine is about as unusual as a stranger's going door to door in America and handing over $100 bills. It does not make any sense in a country where people struggle to obtain the most basic medicines and treatment at local clinics” [16].

The political context

In Nigeria, states have administrative control over health affairs at the primary and secondary care levels while the federal government has control at the tertiary care level. Although the federal government sets health policy for the nation, immunization is under the primary health-care system controlled by each state government. This was why the Kano state government was able to issue a directive to halt the immunization exercise planned by the federal government.

Nigeria being a multiparty society, opposition parties exercise their political rights by constantly challenging the ruling party. After the May 2003 presidential elections the All Nigeria People's Party (ANPP) led by General Muhammadu Buhari, one-time military dictator and Head of State, filed a case in Nigeria's Supreme Court challenging the victory of President Olusegun Obasanjo of the People's Democratic Party (PDP) [23].

[size=15pt]Also, Kano as a state under the control of the ANPP challenged the polio vaccination exercise organized by the PDP-controlled federal government.[/size]

Nigeria is undergoing a political transition from a northern-led military regime to a southern-led democracy. Until 1999, the north had ruled the country for more than 30 of the 46 years of independence. Since the beginning of the new democratic system of government in 1999, power shifted to the south (specifically the south-west). These changes have resulted in political tensions between the south and north. These tensions might explain why the religious leaders in northern states who boycotted the polio immunization campaign believed that the southern-led federal government was acting in the interests of Western powers. The northern and southern parts of the country had different colonial experiences. While the north was colonized by the Great Religious Jihadists, the south was colonized by the British.

These colonial experiences are responsible for political differences between north and south and different attitudes to modern medicine.

http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0040073&ct=1&SESSID=23e8c2e23d698f7d4f08c41e4ba800ba

Before you blame the North unnecessarily. . . you need to find out why things ended up the way they did.  Bottom line. . . lack of trust in a system you have no faith in. . . tribalism, greed, duplicity and sheer wickedness!  It is all in history and the younger generation will keep paying for these vices. . .from the North or the south.  When those unvaccinated kids flood the streets of Lagos or you use them as "gatemen" in the Niger Delta. . .is everyone not exposed?

The North supported vaccinations only from trusted entities. I don't blame them. . .Nigeria is a treacherous society.

4 Him:
Again no excuse. Southern children are taking the same vaccines, when last did you hear of a polio case in the south?

Don't jubiliate just yet. We are yet to confirm that those drugs would prevent polio in the future or if it an act of "God's " infinite mercy as usual!

Nigeria leads fight against “killer” counterfeit drugs


Nigeria has been at the forefront of global efforts to fight counterfeit drugs since Dora Akunyili took over the National Agency for Food and Drug Administration and Control (NAFDAC) in 2001. To crack down on counterfeits, her first move was to stamp out corruption within her own agency as
In five years Akunyili, a 52-year-old professor of pharmacology, has attained celebrity status in Nigeria because of her uncompromising stand against corruption. “We have been rebuilding NAFDAC from a moribund government agency to [one that meets] international standards,” she told the Bulletin.

Nigeria is ranked as one of the most corrupt countries in the world, according to Transparency International. Before Akunyili took over, staff abused their position to extort money from honest manufacturers at the same time as taking bribes from counterfeiters in return for access to the Nigerian medicines market. Akunyili fired the most corrupt of her officers. To encourage honesty among her remaining 3000 staff and to boost morale, she offered incentives such as training abroad, improved facilities and a better working environment.

Akunyili told the Bulletin: “The level of corruption we had in 2001 cannot in any way be compared to what we have now. It has decreased to almost zero. But it is still a problem. We cannot rule it out completely.”

The Nigerian agency is now a key player in reducing the manufacture and distribution of counterfeit medicines in West Africa. It has the support of the Food and Drug Administration and the Environmental and Occupational Health Science Institute at Rutgers University in the United States of America, among other regional and international agencies including WHO.

According to Akunyili, drug counterfeiting was first reported in Nigeria as early as 1968, “So people have been dying in this country from the effect of fake drugs since the early 1970s”. In 1995, Nigeria reportedly donated 88 000 doses of meningitis vaccine to its neighbour Niger, but before the authorities realized that these vaccines were fake, about 60 000 people had been “inoculated”. Akunyili said that when she took office in 2001, fake drugs were openly circulating in her country.

Her efforts have led to increased public awareness about counterfeit drugs and tougher surveillance at Nigerian customs. She says that the number of fake drugs in circulation in Nigeria has been substantially reduced, although she and everyone else involved in fighting the illegal trade admit how difficult it is to quantify the problem and therefore measure their success. Still, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that her measures have had an impact: shopkeepers no longer dare to sell counterfeits openly for fear of being reported to the authorities. Criminals behind the trade have left Nigeria and set up business in other countries, she says. Now governments across West Africa are working closely with Nigeria to crack down on the illegal trade.

How did Akunyili do it? In 2001, most Nigerian consumers were oblivious to the danger of counterfeit drugs. “Fake drug dealers used to thrive mainly because of a lack of awareness”. The agency broadcast jingles on radio and television to make the public aware of the dangers and to encourage people to report suspicious drugs. It also regularly publishes lists of counterfeit products in the newspapers. Last year, fake drugs worth about two billion naira (US$ 16 million) were voluntarily handed over by counterfeiters or seized after tip-offs from the public.

Akunyili has hit back at the counterfeiters directly too. There is tough surveillance at ports and airports where medicines enter the country. The authorities inspect shops and markets where medicines are sold. As of June 2006, Akunyili said she had secured convictions for 45 counterfeiters with 56 cases pending. The Nigerian authorities recently opened a laboratory in Port Harcourt that analyses medicines for authenticity. Another is being set up in Calabar.

“Fake drugs were not only killing people [but] the drugs were also killing businesses. So millions of lives have been saved. Industries have been revived,” she said, referring to the damage counterfeiting does to public trust in companies and their products.

Despite Nigeria’s efforts, Akunyili said: “We are not there yet. Even 1% fake drugs is not good enough, because every life is important.” Akunyili said she has asked the Nigerian parliament to amend existing legislation to make penalties tougher, so far without success. “The penalty for a fake drug producer or importer ranges from 5000 to10 000 naira (US$ 40–80), or between three months and five years imprisonment.” The other problem is that the law is not always enforced properly: the counterfeiter may avoid jail, and fines can be insignificant compared with the huge profits from the illegal trade.

But Akunyili says that the biggest challenge her agency currently faces is the open-air drug market in the city of Onitsha in south-eastern Nigeria. She believes that the bulk of fake drugs distributed in Nigeria originate there. Police raids have been unsuccessful because market traders attacked law enforcement officers. “Our officers literally had to escape [to avoid] being lynched”. But Akunyili is determined. “If they defeat us, they have defeated Nigeria.”

Abiodun Raufu, Ibadan

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/84/9/06-020906/en/index.html

Do you blame the Northerners or Southerners for sitting at home? Let us hope that the "mixture" the others who were brave enought to take would really have the real things in them.

Kobojunkie:
I think you misunderstand her point. Remember how some years ago, it turned out that a large number of pharmacists were involved in selling fake PHENSIC, which turned out to be nothing more than chalk molded to look like the drug?? LMAO!!!

Give or take. . .he would always misunderstand me. Thank you for pointing out what the real issue is here!

4 Him:
That is not a valid excuse. Southern children are taking the same vaccine, there are no reports of poisoning.
Why would the government import vaccines that will do more harm to children?

What if the vaccine is manufactured in India?
1. Western countries have no further incentive to manufacture the vaccines . . . they don't have polio anymore and any stock they have left is to prevent reinfection from irresponsible nations like ours.
2. Why can't we make our own vaccines? We have no right to complain about mixtures in a vial when we can't even manufacture ordinary toothpicks.

Fine!  The children who took the vaccines are still alive. . .but that is the chance you take when you have a government and health care system you cannot trust!

When those medications get to Nigeria. . . the next thing you know some traders have hijacked the containers and rediluted the medications.

4 Him:
almondjoy, you are largely ignorant on this issue.
The fault is not that of the health ministry, infact i vividly remember two occassions when the entire country was forced to sit at home so that health officials could vaccinate every child . . . what did the northern governors do? They sent away the health officials.
What do you expect Grange to do? Force the vaccine down the throats of unwilling, ignorant, illiterates?

It is not about whether we have money or not, polio is largely eradicated in the south . . . that it is still rampant in the north is indicative that those people are just resistant to development.

We are saying the same thing. . . we are wicked to ourselves! Even in the bloody south of Nigeria. . . I happened to be in Nigeria at that time. . . most of the people did not welcome the health officials in. Can you blame them? When you do not know what kind of mixture is in the vial or if they were manufactured in India.

It is not a matter of ignorance. . . we know the facts. . . our people are wicked even to themselves!

[quote author=his_grace link=topic=129288.msg2185186#msg2185186 date=1208971174]Almondjoy -

You are the king of goats - trust me - if anyone wants to see human goats - they should call you up and you will take them to thy kingdom of goats -[/quote]Please make that "Queen" of "She Goats"!  I have not grown  a pe-nis yet!

4 Him:
You're missing the big picture here. When America can't find a plane its because something extra-ordinary must have happened, when Nigeria can't find a plane its 100% down to inefficiency.

Steve Fosset's was a private aircraft, he didnt have to report coordinates to anyone.
The Beechcraft plane was flying to pick up a whole state Governor!!! what if the governor was onboard when it vanished?

How many large Jet aricraft have crashed in Nigeria and its taken us days to find it? Over 100 soldiers perished in the Ejigbo disaster, it took us days to find the plane . . .

I am shocked you are taking that clown seriously. . .he thinks this is a "Mouth Action" thread!

Big B1:
Again, we have no choice but to blame ourselves for some of these problems; but we must also know that if you label yourself as a goat you will surely be treated as such.

Wake up, guys!

Some of us are very awake. . . enough to realize that most Nigerians are actually "goats" on two left legs!  No need to make labels. . . they are actually goats only people like you cannot see the reality because you choose to be complacent and outright apathetic!

angel101:
@ almondjoy
is not having a national carrier a licence to be mistreat paying customers? (mind u nigeria is relatively the most expensive route in the world!)

When will you guys ever learn to accept the truth?  Have you ever travelled with a bunch of Nigerians? Please stop all this self-indulgence.  Who is maltreating us? Or or we drawing unnecessary negative attention to ourselves. Look, I have travelled with a lot of Nigerians. . .and let me tell you. . .they behave like animals. Is it the noise, or the unruly behavior, or the irritating behaviors of yelling at the flight attendents or where do we start?

Are Nigerians the only "black" people in this world?  What is so special about being a "Nigerian" if not the loud mouth and disgusting personality of sheer arrogance and stupidity? Why do they not maltreat Kenyans or Ghananians?

Nigerian is the most expensive route in the world. . .yet your government is not smart enough to exploit such an advantage.  Then to add insult to injury. . . most are whinning here about "maltreatment" !  Always a consumer of services and never a manufacturer of any.

Infact. . . I only feel pity for such a God-forsaken country and it's inhabitants.

I wish una goodluck!

Kobojunkie:
When are we going to learn that it is better to EARN respect rather than continue to believe we should DEMAND respect?? The man has time to deal with this but he is yet to get around dealing with the major issues that most Nigerians are more concerned about.

How can you continue treating yourself like trash but feel you need to demand that others treat you like you are more??

This only makes me wonder how children are raised in Nigeria. . . no respect for truth and self respect.  I am sorry for Nigeria I say.

Big B1:
So, because "Nigeria does not have functioning international airports without wildlife grazing all over the fields or airlines to shuttle Nigerians in and out of Nigeria" Nigerian citizens (the customers) should be mistreated by foreign airlines?

The way we think, only God can help us!
You can only be treated the way you see yourself and the manner you've used to present yourself!

I am happy about your last sentence.  If you act a fool without realizing you are a fool. . . then others will make you realize you are a fool!

Is he not ashamed of himself?  When his country does not have functioning international airports without wildlife grazing all over the fields or airlines to shuttle Nigerians in and out of Nigeria?

Nigerians have no shame!----------------------------TUFIAKWA!!!!!

Hmm!

What a disgrace!


[size=15pt]UNA NO GET SHAME?----GO AND MAINTAIN YOUR OWN BLOODY AIRLINES AND STOP YOUR RETARDED WHINNINGS----DUNCES!!!![/size]

Because marriage is no longer a "saving grace" for most illiterate, depressed and desparate women.  More women are more financially stable than most men. . . so why the wahala of hooking up with a liability?

I wouldn't.  I go just siddon for ma house deey born je je! No need for all that rubbish.  It is better to be unmarried and happy than to be married and unhappy.

In most cases, the kinds of men available from the rat pack. . . are not very encouraging.  So why bother?  It is God's own way of solving the shortage crisis.  Glad about that.  Women are learning to live their lives without the headache of trifling men in them. I will rather remain single than be divorced like 12 times or find myself in a polygamous set up.

Being unmarried as a female is not a crime! I am sure no single lady will see a nice man suitable for marriage and pass him by. If the ladies are single. . . there is a reason and that reason should be respected no matter how unacceptable. It is their lives!

We have many men roaming around too. . . with no hope in sight!

@poster,

Shey you dey go mountain of fire church abi na redeem? Please start to search from there!

Well, 10 years is too much of a gap.  Only psychologically challenged men who look for subservient young girls to subdue and engage in such relationships with.  So they can always have the final say ALWAYS!  That used to happen in the old days.  With some education available in recent years. . .only timid men would marry girls 10 years younger than they are. . . especially dirty old goats, with impotence problems!

5 years max! It takes a real man to handle a real woman.  If a man dates or marries a girl or lady 10 years younger than he is. . . that must be some form of a mental illness. This is not 1920!

What in the world would they discuss. . . if not yessir!  Even when they are in the bedroom. . . the little girl will feel like her father is making love to her.

May God forbid evil!

@poster

I think that is her level, since she may be a housegirl herself.  Please let them go for it.  She must be attracted to the animalistic, hormonal sweaty armpits.  She must have watched him enough to want him to "mow your own lawn and trim your bushes too"!  You just love the way his sweaty "akpola" arms go up and down as he cuts the grass with that cutlass abi?   Or is it the rainbow coalition of a boxer short that is turning you on?

No crime there at all.  I say na their level be that!

Enjoy!

Old thread. . . by now the illiterate gardener would have screwed her Hot arse to death and kicked her to the gutter where she belongs!


My papa don suffer train me for school finish. . . na gardener be the only man for this world when I fit follow? Will not even date a landscaper in America not to talk of a "gardener" in Nigeria. I thihk I will head to the "sex shop" for some toys first!

Bullshit!

bluehorizo:
What can be done to make things better?


What can be done to make us a nation?

I personally will wait patiently for death. . . and hope it will occur before the end of the world.  I see no hope.  The people are too wicked. . .even to themselves!

Short of transplanting the "senses and sensibilities" of the typical Nigerian to learn to do the right things. . . it is a hopeless cause.  We are too selfish and wicked to ourselves.  The most annoying part is that they would worship and sing praises and give thanksgiving. . .to celebrate their lives and celebrate the deaths of others in the same breath!

Those illiterates are fond of saying things like "it is not my portion in Jesus name". . . I just feel like slapping the hell out of them in annoyance. Whose portion is it for crying out loud?

Facinating creatures!

Kobojunkie:
Turns out Clinton is in for the long haul, I say we all buckle up and enjoy the ride for as long as it is here. I mean one has to be honest and accept that this woman get backbone. After all the insults and many calling her evil witch and what not , she is still standing strong. LMAO!! Now this is what I call a "democratic" election.

Tell me about it! If it were in Nigeria now. . .one person would have been assassinated or poisoned!

touche:
Yes, Nigeria can become a nation. But in the next (our) generation. The present generation has failed woefully. They are so tribalistic!! Its disgusting!!
Introduce your friend to your parents, the first question they will ask is: 'Where is he/ she from?' Why? To determine the tribe in order to access and pass premature judgment on their character. You hear comments like: 'Hmm, your friend is Yoruba. Be careful, you know the Yoruba's are stingy' or 'Hmm, your friend is Ibo. Be careful, you know the Ibo's are dubious'. Bullshit.
I believe all the healing, re-construction, re-conciliation, re-integration etc will take place in our generation. I've lost hope in the present generation.

Absolutely correct! Not in this life time. . .perhaps with the[b] 40th [/b] coming of Our Lord!

Not important to me!  Just hold a job and feed the kids!  Whether you marry me or not. . . kneel on your head or your deek. . . not ma consain!

It is just a romantic paper trail that's all.  I believe in "solid companionship"!  Not into all that sentimental bullcrap!

[quote author=Achile_Sim link=topic=129369.msg2183835#msg2183835 date=1208956097]My father inlaw always call my wife and I for money everyday and I don't whant it because he is also a confuse man after moore thant 30 years of marriage he decide to take another little girl as 2nd wife and that girl sell all he propertys[/quote]If you know the man's problems. . . why doesn't your wife sit down with her other siblings as a family unit and try to come up with a plan to make things a little comfortable for him.  Obviously he can't be that confused, since he knows how to "accquire" females and his "Abunna" is definitely not confused!

My sister and brothers are very capable of handling ma father's needs so my husband does not have to worry about these kinds of things.  While he is able to take care of his own mother and father with his own sisters and brothers without bothering me with the details.

I think this is called "planning"!!!

[quote author=PL+C link=topic=129280.msg2183978#msg2183978 date=1208958077]@Admondjoy,

I’m of the opinion that you can say whatever thing you like either negative or positive. I know your style of posting and to me that’s your own opinion whether people like it or not as long as you don’t insult any person. I laugh each time people begin to blast you for posting your views. I know your posts are always on the verge of causing trouble because of your approach to threads. But to me, you must express your view anyhow you want it but not to insult any person.

However, you are now deviating from your usual style by trying to deduce or construe the poster’s intending low life behaviour as a way of life for Nigerians (though typical Nigerian may be some). That’s too is wrong. Finally, ashe2 [/b]has not insulted you but you are taking it too far.

If the Poster like let him sleep with the girl after all the girl in question is not married to any of them. So, what's the din here?[/quote]Shey you again?

You have been banned sufficiently enough to realize that this your "cheerleading" activities does not serve you well. Frankly nothing to discuss with your kind. . .face the bloody topic please and mind you own phocking business as you have never learned to do!

I hate to deal with useless, semi-educated Nigerians who think with their smelling arses most of the time so I will have to say. . . .

[b]GOOD RIDDANCE THREAD!!!!!


Moderator, please delete all these posts from all these hungry Yar'adua cock sucking refugees based in Nigeria! Hungry, poverty-stricken useless idiots without electricity or plumbing systems. . .who go about looking for peoples' girlfriends and wives/boyfriends or husbands to sleep with with their filthy arses!

ashe2:
ABEG I DIDNT EVEN GET TO SEE THIS ALMONDJOY!!! WAT DOES DAT MEAN "YOU ARE A TYPICAL NIGERIAN" I TAKE GOD BEG YOU PLEASE IN THE NAME OF GOD WATCH YOUR TONGUE OR IN CASE YOU HAVE NOTICED THIS IS NAIRALAND AND I PERSONALLY WILL NOT TAKE IT LIKELY THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE LIVER TO COMMIT SUCH FALLACY HERE PLEASE DO ADHERE TO CORRECTIONS OR You CAN RELOCATE TO DOLLARLAND WHERE YOU AND YOUR FELOW AMERICANS WHO BEHAVE SO AMERICANS CAN REASON WELL!!

Just thank your lucky stars for moderators! Instead of concentrating on the topic. . .you are responding to my post.  Like I said. . .thank you lucky stars I am in a good mood.

uspry1:
@ashe2

You are typical new Nairaland member that ALWAYS FORGOT that there are American-Nigerians as well as other Nigerian abroad out there!

You, ASHE2, expect this Nairaland is for NIGERIANS only? You are DEADLY WRONG! Nairaland is for EVERYONE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD both Nigerians and non-Nigerians that are MORE THAN WELCOME!

Please adhere the Nairaland rules! Watch your TONGUE insulting grown adults ARE MUCH OLDER THAN YOU ARE out there! SIGH! SIGH!

That is what I mean by "the typical" Nigerian.  Who cannot see beyond his or her nostrils.  Please don't mind the village pig! Does it sound like the poster in question was raised by two legally married parents?

Busta:
Was that even called for?

She wasn't even talking to u. I tot everyone is here to give their own opinions and advices . . .you did urs, so did she. The least u can do is just ignore it if it's so offensive to you.

@poster,
It hard but u need to start avoiding her . . especially if the guy is truly your friend.
seems she's very much still involved with her boyfriend if u ask me.

Don't mind all these stupid re-cycled posters who never mind their business.

You agree then that it is not a nation at present?

NJean:
My boyfriend is from Nigeria living in the US. I'm interested in hearing from you on decision making. My boyfriend is the eldest male in his family. He is in the US. his extended family is in Nigeria. He does have his family here, American born. He is going through a rough spot and has some decisions he needs to make. What are Nigerian men like in situations like this? We are not engaged but are walking together toward this.

In the past he has "asked" for my input on different subjects. This decision is a heavy one, dealing with a crazy ex-wife, and little to no discussion has occurred. Are Nigerian men solitary decision makers? His decision definitely affects me. He is the eldest male in his family, does that have an affect on his decision making process? My only experience has been American born men and they take a lot of verbal input from us, are Nigerian men significantly different??

Let me guess.  He is Igbo!   A crazy ex-wife? How many children please? You don enter be that!  Just make sure you do not file any "joint income" tax with this dude. . . always check the single box. . . filing single oooooooooooooooooooooooooh! The IRS will keep garnishing your wages for child support payments that is why the "snaky" dude does not want to discuss the case of the "crazy ex-wife or baby moma"!  He is an American-born you say? That means the dude is an "Americanized akatarized Nigerian"!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Don't expect to hear from the "Nigerian guys" on Nairaland since many of them are in the same boat here!

Yes oooooooooooooooooooooooooh!  Over to you "Nigerian Igbo dudes"!  Una get NIM ooooooooooooooooooh!

Nairaland Instant Male Mail!!!

Not a guy but I think the guys should take is as calmly as women do when they father children outside marriages, including from housegirls and mad women on the streets, then still have the guts to open their dirty mouths to talk in public.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander! Should not be grounds for divorce abi. . . for better for worse!!!!

Period!