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benzics:
whoa, your dull brains actually thought I meant "not being logical".. Check the post above to see a breakdown of what I meant you little minded being!

abeg just gerawt.

Anas09:
Raphaelmontella, you claim you are smart by virtue of you being an atheist, now i wonder how a smart person will be lazy at reading. Smh@u

smart?? LMAO

Anas09:
How come Muslims never engage atheists? Is it because they won't have anything to say or because they are in the same Camp?

they don't want to have their Mohammed busted.

lol

benzics:
Lol, you are really giving me a good laugh.

Why didn't you add the definition of faith? Let me help you.

Fauth:
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.


Now see the emboldened in your post., so is it right I say you have a mental disorder??

Agnostics BELIEVE in God and the supernatural... I believe neither in Gods nor supernaturals! Am just setting out a probability for you.

Evolution although has no evidence yet, but it is derived from study and observations .

Who studied or observed god? You deluded homosapien!

this guy is highly illogical.

and I don't even know where to start

4everGod:
Do you know what a scientific theory is? Gosh and this guy says he is intelligent. Could you please explain to the whole world here what qualifies something to be deemed a scientific theory.

Oya start talking.

I wonder how you believed him to be intelligent when it definitely obvious that he is not.

KingEbukasBlog:
I remember telling you to read this article about being irreligious and acknowledging the existence of God https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion

You refused . Now see how papa deepsight is using you to play ludo



I'm enjoying this honestly

oga kingebuka... don land!

4everGod:
Are we debating gravity? Did i say gravity did not exist? Scientists call it gravity but truthfully it may be something else but just named by man to fit its function.

So far you have not touched anything from the OP. Can you at least try?

his tactics is simply t derail the thread.

just see how he is insulting himself in a wonderful thread as this.

4everGod:
Too many assumptions litter your life.



Your lack of belief in it doesnt change its frequency of occurrence. Does your refusal to ever ride in a vehicle render vehicles non existent?



Magic is magic and the supernatural is eons beyond Magic. Do you believe there "MIGHT" be a God?

Gbam!

benzics:
First and foremost, a man can only be healed from cancer if he really had cancer, not that he claimed to have cancer..

And I don't believe in those tricks called "miracles".

Am sure you lots believe that magic has supernatural means to it..

self delusion.

benzics:
Can you for once stop saying logic! Science didn't get the cure of malaria through logic! They simply studied the effects and ways to counter the effects!! No scientific fact is based on logic. Am sure if you are a scientist, you know steps things have to go through to become a fact right? AND LOGIC IS NOT ONE OF THEM..

Logic is only applied when you have no fact or evidence AND normally, such things can't happen logically, so you disprove them, not the other way round, using philosophical logic to "claim to know" of a God!

this is exactly what atheism does to ones brain. it makes lose respect for logic and renders you illogical.

LMAO!!

benzics:
There are things we haven't seen of course and we know they exist, just like gravity, because, simply put, we've felt it's effects!

ON logic you go again? What effects of God have you seen? And how sure are you that that God is not Odin or Thor?

this is guy is really dumb.

I am sorry to say that.

benzics:
Nailed it and and burning people for eternity!

then why not say that your unbelief in God is based on emotions??
stop playing dumb.

4everGod:
Indeed you need schooling. He just told you his proof and they are his spirituality and his inner senses and you still talk about requiring proof?

The God matter often times requires a personal conviction or proof as external proof has often been based on what you wish to see as proof and not on what is available.

If you see a man get healed of cancer you would demand for one being raised from the dead. If you see one being healed from small pox you would demand for one to be healed from HIV Aids.

Ultimately only you know where to draw the line and that is where your inner senses come in.

please he needs some help.

what kind of school would admit him with his awkward way of thinking??

just asking.

DeepSight:
No book told me any such thing to cause my apprehension of Gods existence. Again, you make silly assumptions. You are quite the baby.

I do not have to see a thing to be aware of its existence. This is a fact. There are many things you have never seen but know exist. If you say this is not the case, you denigrate yourself and denigrate your modern humanity.

I establish the existence of God on logic and challenge you to do the same.

Step by step

in as much as you don't hold the same faith as mine, your stand still make so much sense than atheism itself. Atheism is HIGHLY ILLOGICAL!

benzics:
Who brainwashed you that there is God? Who did that to you!

I am too intelligent to be brainwashed.

I grew up knowing that believing this beautiful world to be a product of chance and not cause and effect, is a black and white faced SELF DISHONESTY, DELUSION, DUMBNESS AND A MEANS OF MASTURBATING WITH FOOLISHNESS. and because of that I believe in the existence of an intelligent Designer- God.

benzics:
Cool, philosophic logic..

You know it is two things to say you believe in God and you know there is God right?


With the above posts you've made, you've claimed you know that there is God.. . So how do you know there is God? Logic? Lol

You seriously know that proofs are required to know something right?

more delusion.

please would you mind telling me the difference between believing in God and knowing there is GOD?

you can tutor me now, I am all ears!!

DeepSight:
Ah.

I see my work is cut out for me: for it will take a lot to school you.

The work will be hard, for you have shown yourself shallow and presumptive already: there you go for whatever bizzare reason calling me a Christian. I am not a Christian. In fact, I am not religious at all. I subscribe to no religion.

My belief in the existence of God derives from philosophic logic, my spirituality and my inner senses.

Step by step....

one statement for you, "....cast not your pearls to pigs".

you know what that means?

4everGod:
Does evolution follow the laws of cause and effect and thermodynamics? YES OR NO!



You keep trying to speak for me when you shouldnt. I have experienced and tested the spiritual too many times and have always come away with proof that it does exist. Limited minds like yours would deny this but i guess the billions worldwide who believe in the spiritual are probably "NOT" as smart as you are. lmao

LMAO!!

4everGod:
author=benzics post=51860996]
Lol, am seriously laughing hard at this. Let me rephrase..
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You have already been told how unintelligent you sound when talking about the probable existence of santa claus. So i will not dwell on this.



Thanks for admitting you lied and simply because you lied means you never ever experienced God and just wanted to fit in or be recognized as a spiritual brother. Others who have had true personal experiences abound and i am one of them. So why lie when you could have easily sought after the truth or your very own true personal experience? You must have been a habitual liar back then.



I already answered this and i advised you earlier to focus on yourself and not on others. I have my personal experiences about God and have never relied on anothers experience. Nairaland is a past time and not my world. You can ask the ex atheist urheme for his own personal God experience.



God has used me to perform miracles so like i said, speak for yourself.



I could easily call this a lie since you also admitted to lying when you were a christian.

are you sure that this guy is not "The Return Of the tattered hardmirror"??

abeg make him no hardmirror person here ooo

benzics:
Shiit, why do you Christians love creating meanings that'll suit your narrative? I said I am talking from a Christian point of view, not my own point of view!

And how the hell do you know of a spiritual when you haven't encountered or studied one?

you seem not to understand anything about what a creator is all about.

so the spiritual should be among our physics topic, and experimented in our physics labs?

kudos to your upgraded delusion!

benzics:
Lol, you just claimed that some religion gods are created by men but not the Christian god because you are a Christian, that's what a Buddhist will say, the same thing a Muslim will say, same thing a traditional worshipper will say...

So you see? Simply put.. God(that we humans claim to know about) is a fairy myth created by men!

where did he claim to be a christian??

where?

you love faking up deception.

4everGod:
Oh so now you believe in Cause and effect and the laws of thermodynamics?

If you do based on your comment you clearly should be able to admit that the theory of evolution fails to meet these laws.So if our earthly scientific laws say that for every cause there must be an effect that means someone more powerful than nature or the universe caused this effect which proves the law of cause and effect which says " that for every effect there is a definite cause, likewise for every cause there is a definite effect. Your thoughts, behaviors and actions create specific effects that manifest and create your life as you know it"

If you speak about cause and effect we speak about it scientifically and based on earthly, fleshly standards. Is God earthly? Is God fleshly?

Can the spiritual dance to the rhythm of the natural or is reverse the case?

If we say God is eternal what does this mean to you?

I doubt he would comprehend this wonderful piece.

benzics:
My only question is, how do you know much of a God you haven't seen, heard or even felt, but because a book told you he exists, you are now claiming "he has always existed".. . Only a fool knows all!

bro, stop this dumbness naaah.

delusion is NOT A VIRTUE!! IT IS NOT!

Who brainwashed you that GOD IS TIED TO A BOOK OR RELIGION??

WHO DID THAT TO YOU??!!

benzics:
Lol, am seriously laughing hard at this. Let me rephrase..

YOU know nothing about Santa Claus because you simply chose not to. Billions of others in the world have chosen TO KNOW Him and their direct experiences with Santa Claus has justified their decisions

So because you chose to know something, that means that it exists? And you say other people's direct experiences.. Do you know I was once a Christian and I gave a false testimony of how I encountered with God, come and see how people were like, praise the lord.. . So if I could lie about something, do you seriously think every other person is saying the truth??

It's funny how you rely on the experiences of others that you cannot even confirm to be true, not your own personal experience, abi god hasn't seen your struggles on nairaland? Isn't it time he rewarded you by talking to you? Lol.. .

it's funny how you believe in miracles, but these miracles have never happened to people you originally know to be defective (blind, crippled...) , you just see " miracles " happening to random persons you don't know!!

I still remember back then as a Christian, one of my friends dad was a blind man, and the man is rich and intelligent.. I told this guy, why haven't you guys gone to the synagogue church of all nations (TB JOSHUA).. . And he told me that they've been there and they've been to so many places, but they keep telling them "God's time is the best"...

Pfft, you easily deceived fellows!

this is what I call a typical DING-DUMBNESS. Bro get real, this is a real world. Don't allow NL to give you a wrong perception of a world!

billions of people have experienced Santa Claus?? is it in real life or in your dreams? please get real, the day is almost gone! Tell me more about them, just a single person. a documented
testimony.

why do you love self deception and delusion?? why? and you are smiling at your delusion thinking that it is a fun thing to be deluded?

in a real world as this, experience is still one of the greatest proof to reality. That you never experienced it doesn't mean it is not real.

DeepSight:
This question - "Who created God?" is only asked by very unschooled atheists who lack thought, nuance and a subtle sense of philosophic logic. The more nuance and intelligent atheist does not even ask this sort of kindergarten question.

And here is the reason: by definition, God is an uncreated element. God is advanced as an eternal being that cannot not exist: this is what is referred to in philosophy as a "necessary thing" - something that could not but exist by default. Something whose non-existence cannot be contemplated in any circumstance whatsoever.

Such are also referred to as self-existent things.

God is the self existent and necessary permanent element which in so self-existing, upholds the worlds.

thank you for schooling him a bit.

benzics:
Can you first of all prove to me that Santa Claus doesn't exist?? ?

If you can't prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist, there you go, I also can't prove that God doesn't exist! But if you can prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist, I'll use your method to prove that God doesn't exist..

Just because you can't disprove the existence of something, doesn't mean it exists!

why would any sane person mind to prove or prove the existence of Santa Claus?? disproving for what?

YOU JUST UPGRADED YOUR DELUSION.

Your comparison is just between A UNIVERSAL CREATOR(GOD) and Santa Claus which is not a creator.

God is not a name of an entity. Santa Claus is an entity. stop the stupidity!

"GOD" is an office. An office of an intelligent designer, through which everything that was made were made.

at least, nature is qualified enough with logic to be created by God the creator. now who Santa Claus help?

tell me about the Santa Claus you are telling that guy to disprove. who he eep? what is his affair??

benzics:
actually, I don't believe in God and I don't think I was "created"..

Now the claim makers are you Christians who believe that a complex structure like the human being must have been created, so I asked, who created the more complex creator??

And you Christians tend to say" god has no creator ", so if you can believe that a God has no creator, why can't you believe that man also has no creator.. And that's when the double standards kicks in
A complex structure has a creator, but a more complex structure has no creator

Stupid! That's all I can say, just plain stupid!

and the stupidity continues...

please, 4everGod can we take out time to organise a nairaland Sunday school lesson for the dumb boy? maybe we would teach him what
a creator means, and what his nature must be for him to be a universal creator.

benzics:
And who told you there was an after life? A book? Did the writer of the book visit the after life? Gosh!!

you are asking for evidence of after life in a wrong way.

what evidence for after life would you find satisfying? until you answer that, don't foolishly ask for proofs you know you would NEVER accept.

4everGod:
You are simply making puerile sounds. Its pretty obvious really.

Now from saying we do not know everything yet which obviously includes the lies of evolution you now want to jump to who created God?

Try not to blow a fuse!

I wonder how someone would comfortably choose to be ignorant. I just wonder.

he is asking me who created, so that I can start afresh to educate him about GOD-NATURE.

benzics:
So you believe an intelligent man can not just come by mistake right? He must have been created right? Now tell me who created god, else, I'll have to leave you to your idiocy!

you really asked the bolded??

it is either you are a newbie or that you are certifiably DUMB. please are you a newbie?

4everGod:

You cannot in one breath say we do not know everything yet and then say there might be a God but if there is then he is not Yahweh.

You are truly deluded.


Meanwhile can you refute the OP and say all that was said there are lies and fabrications?

benzics read the bolded correctly and then go to a psychiatric hospital to get your five senses tested.