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tpiadotcom:
I meant nigerian people, not the country of nigeria itself.

it comes down to the samething though

tpiadotcom:
Most nigerians are not on ancestry.com.

True and I think cause most Nigerians are not concerned or already know or are comfortable who they are culturally in how they identify themselves

tpiadotcom:
Not all nigerians live in nigeria.

Ancestry is not the point of reference because the time frame I'm looking at is a more current one

True but the nigerians outside Nigeria are low compared to the numbers inside Nigeria, and most are first to second generation Nigerians overseas any way. If your looking more current then I must say that I don't fully agree with your view that all Nigerians have some current mixture in their family, you must remember Nigeria is not America or Brazil where it is a multicultural/multiracial/multiethnic society or country it never was

2prexios:
Exactly, non Nigerian African communities are mainly ghanians, except the Fons who are at the fringe of the border. Non Africans are expatrates that never mix with Nigerians (in any known significant number), such as indians that were employed by old Western regions free education scheme in the 60s to 70s. Industry attract foreigners to Nigeria back then and not sight seeing as is the norm in East Africa. Likewise, white man die at the bite of our mosquitos, so we are saved of the Boar/Zulu experience. I think the Briggs fit in with op's idea. Nigerian culture may not readily absorb or allow any alien to uproot one of their own just like that.

exactly, you took the words right out of my mouth

Ihuomadinihu:
This is just hypothetical. What actually informed this assertion? How do you identify mixed families? How far back do you intend to search for mixed ancestry? How many Nigerian families have a record of foreign members? What sort of mixture are you referring to? Inter ethnic or Multi racial? Don't know how one will just land on nairaland and assume that all Nigerians are mixed without emprical backups.

Amen

2prexios:
But nigeria is not that diverse with multinationals as you have in say, south Africa. Nigeria was never a rainbow country.

Amen, c/s 100%
If he was asking this question to new world continents or countries like South Africa, America, Brazil, and etc this question would make more sense but Nigeria lol, where 99% of people are black. The op is thinking and leaning towards ancestry not families, which is a whole different kettle of fish

tpiadotcom:
ancestry.com is western i think.


the indigenous record would be somewhere else, as you know.

Its western when it comes to how it started but based on what you asking and how people will know answers to your question ancestry.com is the only answer to any nationality you ask that question from

tpiadotcom:
I think it might be extremely difficult to find any Nigerian family with nobody who is mixed.

Sorry but your leaning towards ancestry, especially ethnically its very likely true but families for the most part I don't agree fully

tpiadotcom:
no, I'm not referring to dna test "ancestry" but the real thing. And, I specifically mean Nigeria.

Most Nigerian families have at least one mixed relative at some point.

You might have to go far to find the person or persons, however.

In addition, my primary context is family, more than ancestry. Family as in descendants of a particular person or persons, among whom will be found at least one individual who is mixed.

Most Nigerian families have at least one mixed relative at one point? yea its possible and true for some but not for all Nigerian families

tpiadotcom:
I think most Nigerian families who assume they have no mixed people, just havent looked far enough.

I can almost guarantee they will find them if they do.

The only exceptions would be if the family has been actively discouraging such unions since centuries ago, I doubt there's any such policy in the majority of Nigerian families. You'd have to be extremely militant, and even then. . . . . . . . .

You basically answered my question if you want to go that far back you must involve all humans around the world because we all came from africa and nobody can really know that far back or care to which I was saying when it comes to ancestry but thats inevitable, so nobody can know unless they take a ancestry test, that has nothing to do with a immediate family, you need to reword your thread cause I think what you mean is: Any Nigerian family with aboslutely no mixed ancestry at all? would have been better cause african tribes have been intermingling with each other in Africa since the begining of time so for the most part its possible & true but it is also possible that there could be many families that don't have that Mixed tribal ancestry at all. Yo Yo ma for example is 100% asian but has a racial ancestral connection to Eva Longoria.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/genetic-crossroads/201003/dna-ancestry-testing-tv

Racially, depending on what tribe in Africa you are from you can easily know, for example Egyptians are heavily mixed of arab, white euopean and Black african today in their racial blood line However its the complete reverse with the Ashanti tribe of Ghana for example. Your thread is talking about ancestry not families, most direct families and extended relative today will disagree with you, especially in Nigeria cause they don't have mixed relatives in their face running around but ancestry which is what I think you mean is completely different. You can ask the same question to any nationality of old world continents(Africa, Asia, Europe) specifically this question and for the most part their will be disagreement cause of the wording of your thread saying family instead of ancestry.

tpiadotcom:
facts.

can you give the facts

tpiadotcom:
I personally dont think so.

Do you disagree?

I don't think it is that simple, because it depends on what mix you are talking about; race, ethnicity/tribe and etc and also do you mean immediate family or distant family or ancestors. First of all it is obvious majority or almost all nigerian families are Black Nigerian, only a few families in Nigeria are Interracial marriages for example arab & Nigerian or White European & Nigerian so I disagree in the race part. When it comes to Ethnicity/Tribal for the most part people marry within their tribe then outside their tribe, thats why majority of families in Nigeria are of one tribe however mixed tribal marriages have increased but not big enough to make a difference plus have you forgotten that some Nigerians that do happen to be mixed traditionally claim their fathers tribe for identitiy but that old school rule is slowly changing. Distant family it depends and ancestors is debatable to a extent but ancestors are not direct families in the end of the day. So to me their are many Nigerian families with no mixed people in it.

babyosisi:
Igbos and Cameroonians should have no differences genetically
These tests are not without question
This is what happens when nigerian parents bring up kids in America and refuse to take them home to connect with their roots
They grow up with all sorts of complexes and begin asking ridiculous questions and seeking answers to them
[size=18pt]I blame your parents[/size]

Lmao

bbdd:
@Op

Find one and stick to it.
No one cares.

Really. No one cares if you tell them you're part philipino - part German. They'll just say oh wow and move on.

All these percentages you quoted..... No comment

Lmao

bigfrancis21:
Ghana - high cost of living. House rents and food prices are going up everyday because of Nigerians in the country who often can afford to pay more from their pocket than the average Ghanaian. Partly for this reason, Nigerians are disliked in Ghana. Also in Benin republic.

Wow didn't know this but wouldn't the prices be up regardless of Nigerians being in Ghana, it seems more like a government issue to me.

He is president now

tpiadotcom:
he's half Fulani.

You are right his father is Fulani and his mother is Hausa/kanuri
http://www.informationng.com/2012/12/i-have-not-forgiven-obasanjo-buhari-bares-it-all-in-new-interview.html

He is a mix of three tribes the op is a Somali troll

Fulani people have no connection to Somalia lol, and nigeria/Nigerians are not Bantu
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_peoples

Your so desperate ayanle that your going all the way to nigeria and finding a tribe to connect with since Somalia is basically the country of black hawk down. This forum is not Somaliland it's nairaland

Wow, hope he still has his money lol

Bump

Let's hope the law is enforced and the Nigerians who are still practice it deter from it

[b]This month, Florida Governor Rick Scott signed a new training requirement law for teachers in “gender specific” classrooms in Florida’s second largest school district. The Hillsborough County Public Schools have gender segregated classes in 16 schools, and operate two single-gender schools. The law goes into effect on July 1, 2014.

Florida is one of several states that have embraced the idea of single-sex education since 2006.

A provision in the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 allowed schools to use Title IX funds to support single-sex schooling initiatives as long as they were within accordance to applicable law. Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 prohibits gender discrimination in any education program or activity that receives federal funding, but limited exceptions for gender segregation for physical education and sex education classes. Single-sex public schools and classes were generally only allowed under compelling circumstances, such as to remedy past discrimination.

With reform on everyone’s mind, some were looking at ways to improve the low performing schools, especially in low income urban areas. A movement for gender separation was gaining steam as some studies were suggesting that low-income students learned better when separated by sex. Though evidence was inconclusive, other studies were suggesting girls performed better in math and science when separated. This, along with concern about boys’ lower performance in secondary school led to a desire to experiment with single-sex public education.

This required a change in Title IX.

Amid objections from many stakeholders, the Department of Education relaxed the rules in 2006 to allow same-sex classes and school as long as enrollment was voluntary. Facilities and educational offerings had to be “substantially equal” for both genders. Furthermore, school districts would have to ensure that “comparable” coed facilities and classes were available. While a staple among private institutions, single-sex instruction was a huge policy change for public education. The number of public schools exclusively for boys or girls was only two in 1995 and grew to 241 in 2006.

Today there are about 500 out of more than 90,000 public schools offering single-gender classes or schools.

In 2012, Americans Civil Liberties Union launched a multi-state initiative campaign called “Teach Kids, Not Stereotype” to assess the increasing trend towards single-gender education in public schools. The 12 month investigation looked at 21 school districts covering 15 states, the majority of which were located in the south and Midwest. The results showed that the programs were based on discredited science and were out of compliance with Title IX.

In all the districts, the programs were based on the premise that hardwired physiological and development differences between boys and girls required different teaching methods. Teachers in single-sex classes incorporated gender stereotypes about capabilities and interests into their lessons. These included ideas that girls were not interested in math and boys preferred non-fiction reading material.

These are the same teaching methods just signed into law in Florida.

The ACLU has launched several administrative complaints in a half dozen states, including one filed this month to investigate Florida’s single-sex program. A lawsuit in West Virginia resulted in the single-gender program being stopped by a district court. They have also asked for an investigation and greater oversight of the programs by the DOE. The basis for the challenges argues that the single-sex teaching methods promote gender stereotypes and leads to unequal treatment in education, a clear violation of law. Furthermore, districts are spending millions of taxpayer dollars on programs that have shown little evidence of actually improving education.

Not to mention the reasoning behind creating single-sex environments is based on incorrect assumptions.

In a 2011 report titled “The Pseudoscience of Single Sex Schooling,” eight social scientists discussed their research debunking many of the ideas advanced by single-sex schooling proponents. They found no neuroscience research supporting the idea that boys and girls were hardwired to learn differently. This idea had first been presented by psychologist Leonard Sax in his 2005 book “Why Gender Matters,” which rationalized different educational training for boys and girls, such as being less critical of girls and using microphones when teaching boys because they didn’t hear as well. His research was based on obscure studies that were later debunked by many scientists.

Leonard Sax is also the founder and executive director of the National Association for Single Sex Public Education and the creator of the training programs used for teachers in single-sex classes.

In February, a study released by the American Psychological Association showed that the benefits of single-sex education have been greatly overstated. They did an analysis of 55 years worth of data, covering 1.6 million students in 21 countries, as well as a separate analysis of the United States. The results showed there was no advantage for single-sex schooling for girls or boys.

Both studies pointed out that the different learning experiences of boys and girls were largely due to societal constructs and gender biases by the teachers.

There is documented evidence of teacher gender discriminatory practices in coed classes such as calling on boys more often than girls, and rewarding boys when they called out answers, yet reminding girls that they had to raise their hands. Boys are also more encouraged to figure out things on their own, whereas girls were more likely to be helped. This inherent bias is also embedded into single-sex education.

Most importantly, single-sex education may actually increase these biases.

As most single-gender experiences in public education is mainly on a per class basis, the separation reinforces the perceived differences. This inherent bias affects the confidence and expectations. If the expectation is that girls don’t like math, then girls internalize that and begin to believe they won’t be successful. If boys are always told to figure things out for themselves, they may internalize the message that seeking help is not desirable and devalue collaboration — a trait that is generally attributed to girls.

There is no doubt single-sex education is a preference for many students and their parents since a number of private institutions continue to offer the option. In public education, however, many question using millions of dollars of taxpayer funds to promote a costly system that is not addressing the problems it seeks to rectify. The problem lies not within the students, but the inherent biases in educators and the system.

As we mark the 60th anniversary of the landmark Brown v. Board of Education decision this month, it’s a good idea to remember that by promoting the idea of separation based on any trait, students are denied the most important lesson — learning how to live with others that aren’t like them. [/b]
http://www.care2.com/causes/gender-segregation-in-education-may-do-more-harm-than-good.html

RoyalPearl:
I don't know why you guys are always arguing with axum about the same things. If he does not feel he is black then so be it. He is entitled to think he is an Alien if he wants too for all I care. Stop forcing racial classifications on people who don't see themselves as such.

Amen, he is a waste of time to argue with, who cares what he thinks, that is his issue, Nigerian in general don't give a damn to be honest. Axum/ayanle and etc I think is lonely and just comes on nairaland to start drama. If some people from horn of Africa believe in this thinking or mentality, I wish they would stay in their forums with that stuff and not come on nairaland about this. I never see nigerians forcing africans from Horn of africa to claim a title or not.

igbo2011:
The fact that Africans don't understand that we are at war with Europeans and have been for centruries. Also we are at war with Arabs too is the fact that we are always losing. We are too welcoming and inviting to people who don't want us to succeed.

I am Nigerian but I believe many Nigerians and Africans are very naive. I was on facebook and they were all worshiping Barack Obama but they don't realize that Obama is destroying Africa an is going to recolonize Africa. We don't think outside the box and analyze. We are very simple minded people and this will lead to our demise.

See how you call me a conspiracy theorist? Many Nigerians call me this. When the west has permanent troops i Africa then you will understand what I am saying now.

I'm Nigerian American and Nigerians for the most part don't worship Obama, I don't his allegiance is to America. The west already have troops in two African countries, they tried in Nigeria but Nigeria refused. In the end of the day everybody is entitled to their opinions, let's agree to disagree here.

Miami11:
We Nigerians need to love each other, built our country, have incentives to control our population until we become the envy of the world its possible oo

Nigerians will get there and are getting there but certain things like corruption, consistent electricity access and boko haram need to be tackled and everything will fall In place. That's why when Buhari won I was happy cause boko haram will be dealt with differently while he's president.

Fulaman198:
whilst this may be true, there are scammers and corruption everywhere.

Most of the cybercrimes for instance are not happening in Nigeria, but in the United States, Russia, China and other countries that have more widespread access to the latest technologies.

Look at how $1 billion dollars was stolen recently because banks were hacked.

$1 billion USD is no joke sha, na money they chop chop well well. I think sometimes because of the fact we are black, there is a double standard and whenever a black person commits a crime it is looked at more offensively than a white person committing the same or similar crime.

of course I agree, Nigeria is not even in the top ten list for countries that scam but they are brought up the most lol

nigerian scammers and corruption I feel are the biggest issues that cause the hate which at times is understandable but the sad part is its a small minority of the nigerian population that does scamming.

igbo2011:
The new child will be the new face of imperialism for Europeans to Africa. The goal is to be an African without any African in it. To permanently take our lands and have us living in reservations like Native Americans or Aboriginals. Africans need to wake up, these are not our friends. They want us dead look what they are doing to African Americans in America. Wake up to the world we live in stop being so naive.

http://www.houseofknowledge.org.uk/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmu_F92nB4U

Sorry I don't agree, congratulating them for their new baby girl means nothing more then congratulating however if there are few fools out there that look up to them as Gods then thats their mental problem not mine. What you need to understand is that the Royal family of England are rich figure heads of some influence but in the end of the day they are a cultural & tourist attraction of England, who really don't work and have no power in England. Nigerians are still african, we eat our foods, have our own movie industry in different languages, we still have our music, traditional clothes, everybody from politics, medical field, business and etc are Nigerians and because of strict laws that have been placed in Nigeria when it comes to foreigners owning land & property in Nigeria, its basically impossible or difficult to get land in Nigeria whether they like it or not however some other african countries have more relaxed laws when it comes to foreigners owning land/property in their countries:
http://www.trans-africa-invest.com/eng/index.php?fldr=media&link=realestate-7
https://adeadeniyi./2014/12/29/i-am-a-foreigner-can-i-own-a-landed-property-in-nigeria/

Do you think some africans nations creating strict laws were created out of no where? No they weren't they were created as a result of cases like colonization for example in their own back yard or what the Native americans, aboriginals and south africans went through, plan and simple. So I think you are over hyping and underestimating Nigerians, based on the links for the most part africans are awake but they can still congratulate a powerless figure head royal family all they want the same way they congratulate Nollywood stars Like Omotola or Genevieve when they make when progress higher in the careers or How Aliko Dangote being a Black Nigerian Billionaire makes them proud. Personally I get the issues you are trying to address but stop making up conspiracy theories and concluding Africans are naive because some nigerians on a nairaland thread about kate and williams are simply congratulating them on their new baby girl being born, ridiculous.

Fulaman198:
"Nigerian" Attire, hold on a moment let's get real here. There are many types of "Nigerian" attire in regards to weddings, not just one style.

exactly thats what I said in the beginning, Nigeria needs its own section when it comes to attires that represent Nigeria as a country.

W3xy1:
Where are the yorubas with their beautiful aso ofi??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI-xfeCrRf8
http://www.weddingfeferity.com/2013/10/yoruba-wedding-pictures/

missKiffy:
The only confusion about them is that some of them bear yoruba names, but they will tell you they are from Edo state

True, I agree