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There is a spiritual side to every experience or event, no matter how large or small, and whether or not it occurs in everyday life or in a dream.

Sri Harold Klemp

The Loving Heart

@ Templee333

INITIATIONS
Are initiation rites necessary?

Yes. For those who are tired of spinning around the wheel of life and wants to complete their schooling and go back to God.

Can one who has not pass through any formal initiation get to the same level of consciousnes as those who are formaly initiated?

Yes. But the road will be much longer taking more lifetimes than necessary

Is it proper to initiate another individual at all, why not allow them to unfold naturaly at their own pace?

Mind you initiation is not compulsory. It is always an invitation to open yourself more to the love of God which the individual now distributes to life

Who initiated the first eck master?

The Sugmad

Are eck initiations reversible?

Heaven is won on a daily basis. Consciousness is not static. It is either you are moving forward or backwards.
INITIATIONS can be lost if the individual does not keep up with the spiritual disciplines that got him to that level in the first place.

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EVOLUTION
if humans evolved from apes, is there a possibility of reversing the process till all life forms return to bacterial?

No

Do you believe that humans are the most intelligent beings on earth?

No

Are mosquitoes, birds, fungi, algae equally valid by God as humans are?

Yes

What do you say about Neanderthals and the likes, did they really exist?

Yes

Eckankar is a teaching that works directly with the Light and Sound. You can test it and find out for yourself. There are spiritual exercises mentioned in some of my books you can try. The Spiritual Exercises of ECK has one called “Listening for God.”

—Harold Klemp

My job is to point out there is a way for you to contact the divine essence of God. You can contact the Holy Spirit and guide yourself directly. You don’t have to rely on the words and teachings of a person just because he speaks with authority.

—Harold Klemp

Love gives a shortcut to heaven. If you do one little thing each day for love and love alone, without any expectation of reward, you’re going to find that life gives you more and more.

—Harold Klemp

Look within for the answer whenever something comes up: What am I learning here? How can I get on top of this situation?

Sri Harold Klemp

Love—The Keystone of Life

Some of you are fortunate to have conscious experience with the Light and Sound of God. This simply means that you are awakening in the other worlds. What you bring back to earth is more love and a greater understanding of yourself than you had before.

—Harold Klemp

In time of need, help comes if you know how to open yourself—sincerely, without any preconditions or any ideas that God should act in this way and do this or that.

Sri Harold Klemp

The Language of Soul

The power of HU can benefit everyone, whether they are Muslim or Christian or of any other belief. It doesn’t change one’s religion, but it will enhance it.

—Harold Klemp

We’re using our creativity to learn how to work with Divine Spirit, how to come into harmony with life around us.

Sri Harold Klemp

The Awakening Soul

We look for experiences and direct knowledge with the Light and Sound of God because this is communication with the deity: God speaks through the Light and Sound.

—Harold Klemp

The purpose of divine love is to encourage the independence and ability of another to survive and thrive spiritually. How? It is by way of God’s Light and Sound, the two elements that are the Holy Spirit, the Voice of God, the Creative Force in all the universes, the ECK.

Sri Harold Klemp

Truth Has No Secrets

The Light and Sound opens the doorway of love. Love is the doorway to spiritual freedom. Before you can realize the gift of spiritual freedom, you must go through that doorway and have the love of God transform your life.

—Harold Klemp

History proves there is no permanency in the civilizations of man, nor in the religions of man. The only permanence is in the inner direction that comes from the heart center.

—Harold Klemp

@ Templee333

MEDICATIONS/HEALINGS
Is it spiritualy OK to administer drugs or phychic healing to another person? Does that not rob them of the opportunity of fully reaping what they sow? What of administering drugs to a "mad" person? Is that not a way of interfering with another one's state of consciousness? What about subjecting an insane person to chains and forcefully druging him, is that not a way of restricting his freedom?

Any action done out of love in order to help a soul get back into a state of balance or health is karmaless
The law of love supercedes the law of Karma.

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PRAYERS
Eckists sing Hu and contemplate instead of asking God for things. If an arm rober robs your house,you sit down to sing hu and contemplate, along the line you begin to imagine that something painful should befall the rober,or police should get and punish him, is that not a form of prayer? Or let's say one has been rape, the victim sits to sing hu afterwards, during her contemplation, is she going to show gratitude that she's been raped? Then if she begins to imagine that the rapist should get hurt or caught and punish by the police, is she not praying? Let's say the victim is an eckist, will she forgive the rapist and move on with her life with gratitude to God for being raped? Or will she report the rapist? In the later case, it will mean that the victim didn't surender the whole thing to divine spirit

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I was robbed. A week before the robbery, the ECK made it known to me that my phone will be stolen and that I had to let it go due to a heavy karmic debt that I have to repay.

So when the event happened I wasn't taken by surprise. I handed over my phone , went to the police to report as required by law. Did my Hu Song and in contemplation gave thanks to God for the opportunity to pay my karmic debt.

Later I was shown in the dream state, the exact action I did in a past life that incurred the debt.
That is the way of ECK

@ Templee333

MYTHS
Do eckists belief that there was once a Golden Age? Or is it a fiction?

There was a golden age. It is not a fiction

Is there a posibility of humans reaching a Golden Age in the future where there's all joy and no sorrows?

Yes

Since eckists have known about time travel, have anyone travel back to the golden age to see how life was? If yes, is it true that babies live with their mothers to the age of hundred? Was conditions exactly the way they are depicted today?

Funny enough from soul point of view, there is nothing fantastic about the golden age. Spiritual growth is not as rapid as this current age . The age for accelerated spiritual growth is the Iron age or Kali Yuga age when the level of negativity and materiality is at its highest and the worship of Moloch is at Its peak.

This is the age we are enjoying now and I can tell you, I am having fun. There are lots of spiritual opportunities to test how far you have come in acquiring spiritual qualities like love, contentment, tolerance, humility and detachment.
In the golden age when things are easy, such opportunities are lacking.

@ Templee333

VIOLENCE/CONFLICT
Can violence be justified in any circumstance?

No

Do eckist participate in war?

Yes, if national duty calls for it. But done with detachment

Is it expected of a high initiate (like that of the 9th level and above) to sue a fellow human to court for any reason?

You need to understand that the lower universe is a warring universe. With lots of immature souls who don't understand spiritual laws. In order to protect your right and property you may have to resort to courts of law which are established for that. There is no issue with that. The main thing there is that whatever action you take you do it with detachment and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit

If a high initiate owns a gun for what they call "self defence", will your master encourage him to keep it? is it becoming for an eck clergy to employ police or armed security men to go around with him? How about keeping an agresive dog that can inflict harm on a fellow human to guard ur home and properties, is that a "good" choice?

All these questions bother on individual preference. The Master does not dictate to anyone however the person seems fit to provide physical protection for himself and his property.
In ECK, you are advised to tie your camel and pray. In order words do what you can to protect your self physically and leave the rest to God.

@ Templee333

SUICIDE
It is agreed that soul is eternal and CANNOT die. Since that is the case, why is suicide considered a crime,

Soul was primarily sent to the lower worlds , Earth inclusive to mature spiritually. Suicide is like dropping out of school. No parent is happy when the child drops out of school because he sees ahead that the child will find it very difficult to fit into the society. Completely defeating the aim of sending him to school in the first place.
Secondly suicide is like a slap in the face of God and a show of complete ingratitude for the gift of life which Soul needs to bring out its God-like qualities. This physical body is to be treasured and nurtured and experiences we go through while living in it should be accepted with a grateful heart

what if the individual simply wants to have experience of self killing? Isn't that part of his journey to God? What if a person willingly allow other people to murder him without making any attempt to defend himself even when he is physically fit to do so, do eckist condemn such?

If the soul just wants to have the experience of course it can because it has free will and of course the experience will teach him better. Eckists do not support suicide because of the reasons I gave above. It is always better to confront your challenges as they make you stronger.

Is rescuing a person attempting suicide a positive act, or should the person be allowed to freely go through his/her choice?

Most people who commit suicide are actually carry out for love and support and most times when they get it they usually reverse their decision. Give love and listening ear to people you come across,you never know who you might be saving. The answer to this question in summary is to ask yourself" what will love do?" Then do it.

Our search for happiness is actually the search for God; it is a search for the Golden Age when Soul dwelt in the high worlds of Spirit and the high worlds of God.

—Harold Klemp

The tears and the sorrows life gives us are for our own spiritual development and unfoldment. By development and unfoldment, I mean the growing recognition of ourselves in the true state—as Soul, the divine spark of God.

—Harold Klemp

Soul is multidimensional. It shares all the aspects of God. Soul can be everywhere at all times, and all places at the same time. This is that part of God that you are.

Begin remembering your dreams to get an idea of who and what you are as Soul.

—Harold Klemp

Soul is an individual and unique entity. Each of you has had different experiences up until now, so each of you is going to have different experiences in the future. This is how it must be.

—Harold Klemp

We’re all scrambling. It’s called spiritual survival. And we learn that to survive, we do whatever is necessary to make something work, especially when we see it is part and parcel of our spiritual self, the Soul body.

—Harold Klemp

On earth, the common state of awareness is the human consciousness. As one learns more about love and humility through the trials of many lifetimes, he moves higher in consciousness.

Sri Harold Klemp

The Loving Heart

We recognize that there are some people who have unfolded more; but Soul, in quality, is Soul. The difference in consciousness is the difference in unfoldment. It doesn’t make one person bigger or another person smaller—as Soul.

—Harold Klemp

An interesting definition of sin comes from the Greeks: hamartanein. It means to err, to miss the mark. Rather than implying an afterlife spent in hell, it simply means to miss the mark.

—Harold Klemp

We are here to learn how to let Soul get in control of our lower selves. We’re up and down. Some days we’re doing great, other days we’re not. But the worst thing we can do is feel guilty and start criticizing or blaming ourselves, saying, I have sinned.

—Harold Klemp

As Soul we are looking only for experience, whether it’s in this world or in the other worlds.

—Harold Klemp

What is the relationship of Soul to God? Soul is the essence of God. Soul is not God—It could never be God. We can never be one with God, although we can be one with Spirit.

—Harold Klemp

All that a true spiritual teaching can give you is assurance of the eternal nature of Soul: that you live beyond the death of the physical body; that you are Soul, and you live forever. A sword can pierce the body but never Soul.

And if you know what you’re doing, when you leave this body it’s not much of a change.

Sri Harold Klemp

Touching the Face of God