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@poster

very good points.

ok

^^^ abi o

very funny

too bad

walakolobo:
Yeap, they argue blindly- what is wrong with them?

we know a lot about whats goin on in nigeria because we watch the major nigeria channels and we read the major nigerian news online

lol . maga must pay

go for it . na free food dey sweet pass

wow na wa o

throttler:
hideous

u know u like it

Kobojunkie:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd460693(VS.100).aspx

Has .NET 4 been released or is it still in beta

webdezzi:
since u, a java fan, admits java sucks in the gui environment, I think java has lost in my main point of argument, which is, java (not java gui) sucks in terms of speed. same goes with applet. the time it takes an applet to load can cook beans, even when on local host.

I like Java but i am more of a fan of the JVM. I know the limitations of Java in the client side that was why i said earlier that it is more useful on the server side. What I am tryin to evalute with you is how PHP is better than Java on the server side

Mind you. it is not all systems that are for  the web. There are a whole lot of complex software systems that do not require any form of GUI or a web front end at all. Interaction is strictly from the command line

Kobojunkie:
There you have it. Even you have to worry about licensing issues when you pick software to use. So, I don’t see why it should be a BIG ISSUE when considering .NET but not same when considering other applications and frameworks out there.

Most Open Source application development frameworks or tools are actually on the less strict LPGL/ MIT or Apache licences which does not affect your development for commercial purposes.

Kobojunkie:
Commercial users of Linux are required to stick to license agreement. I believe it was the case that Walmart tried to get away with using the open source software without paying any licensing dues, and got caught.

This is not true. Linux is free software man because of the GPL Licence. You will only break the license agreement if you create another commercial version of Linux and you do not make the source code available to the user

99.9% of software development companies do it, not just the MS's and the Oracles. Even Sun do it. Licensing is never even cheap for mid size companies. Small companies get grants to help them and these grants go a long way here.

But the licensing model used varies a lot amongst software companies. The question is how flexible is the licensing model

The truth is licensing is never cheap for large enterprises be it Linux, windows, .NET or java.

correct that is why large companies especially in these downturn are looking to drastically reduce there licensing overhead

licensing matters a lot, it can also make the difference when approval is to be given to develop a product.
licensing is definitely politicized or economized (for lack of a better word Cheesy) I see it all the time with oracle, and MS also gives free licenses when it suits them. Get the customer hooked first Grin

I have ran into a licensing bottleneck in my company for a couple months ago regarding obtaining additional developer licenses for InteliJ IDEA. Do you know that up till today it has not been approved.

Obviously these developers have had to resort to using eclipse for now while this is getting approved.

The thing is IT budgets are getting killed in this recession and when you come up and say you need license . . management will just look at you with one kin bad eye and tell u to go and manage what u have.
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Kobojunkie:
99.9% of software development companies do it, not just the MS's and the Oracles. Even Sun do it. Licensing is never even cheap for mid size companies. Small companies get grants to help them and these grants go a long way here.

But the licensing model used varies a lot amongst software companies. The question is how flexible is the licensing model

Ghenghis:
The truth is licensing is never cheap for large enterprises be it Linux, windows, .NET or java.

correct that is why large companies especially in these downturn are looking to drastically reduce there licensing overhead

Ghenghis:
licensing matters a lot, it can also make the difference when approval is to be given to develop a product.
licensing is definitely politicized or economized (for lack of a better word ) I see it all the time with oracle, and MS also gives free licenses when it suits them. Get the customer hooked first

I have ran into a licensing bottleneck in my company for a couple months ago regarding obtaining additional developer licenses for InteliJ IDEA. Do you know that up till today it has not been approved.

Obviously these developers have had to resort to using eclipse for now while this is getting approved.

The thing is IT budgets are getting killed in this recession and when you come up and say you need license . . management will just look at you with one kin bad eye and tell u to go and manage what u have.

Kobojunkie:
99.9% of software development companies do it, not just the MS's and the Oracles. Even Sun do it. Licensing is never even cheap for mid size companies. Small companies get grants to help them and these grants go a long way here.

But the licensing model used varies a lot amongst software companies. The question is how flexible is the licensing model

Ghenghis:
The truth is licensing is never cheap for large enterprises be it Linux, windows, .NET or java.
licensing matters a lot, it can also make the difference when approval is to be given to develop a product.
licensing is definitely politicized or economized (for lack of a better word ) I see it all the time with oracle, and MS also gives free licenses when it suits them. Get the customer hooked first

correct that is why large companies especially in these downturn are looking to drastically reduce there licensing overhead.

I have seen some major companies build there own version of linux from source code which is used and maintained in-house. license cost in this case is zero

Linux rules in the server world and it is gradually gaining ground in the desktop with ubuntu although this still has a long way to go.

Ghenghis:
licensing matters a lot, it can also make the difference when approval is to be given to develop a product.
licensing is definitely politicized or economized (for lack of a better word ) I see it all the time with oracle, and MS also gives free licenses when it suits them. Get the customer hooked first

I have ran into a licensing bottleneck in my company for a couple months ago regarding obtaining additional developer licenses for InteliJ IDEA. Do you know that up till today it has not been approved.

Obviously these developers have had to resort to using eclipse for now while this is getting approved.

The thing is IT budgets are getting killed in this recession and when you come up and say you need license . . management will just look at you with one kin bad eye and tell u to go and manage what u have.