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Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 3:42pm On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: What moronic rubbish!

More cretinous spewing of mutually exclusive issues as a front for defending some perversion.
Lol, again you fail to politely reply my post and then you resort to degrading attacks to butress your exasperation of failing to live up to standards... Also,if we pro-homosexuals can argue out points tactically without hurled insults, I think the so called anti-homosexuals are just envious of our erudite approach
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 3:31pm On Oct 24, 2013
leon12: You just proved me ryt dat u lack reasoning n intellect.. There are a lot of tins dat influence Gayism. First is genetics( that I dunno how to xplain how possible its cus our bible told us that God created us all), second is by environment and 3rd is by choice.
A person boundary breaking sagacity and a broad mind is never supposed to have a myopic view on homosexuality...... Even if ethnical scientists bring a cursory research which shows that homosexuality is very health and normal with global acceptance... People like sagamite will object it
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 3:25pm On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: What absolute tosh!

You can as well close down banks and the finance industry because some people decide to conduct bank robberies, wire fraud and production of false cheques.

Government should deal with crimes and not use that as an excuse to ban 2 consenting adults.
Finally, you got the point,as a radical,liberal,personified person.. I should put to your notice that the same government can deal with crimes but it should not be a moral moribund excuse to disallow two consenting homosexuals...
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 3:19pm On Oct 24, 2013
Chiamaka01: #Team FreshAirTill2019
GEJ, i am solidly behind you on this.
Fresh Hurricane will blow out all this perverts from the country.
Homosexuality will eventually END with TIME and we will have less of e-wars between pro and anti gay activists and more of better THINGS.
Keep dreaming.. I once heard a rubbish from a dominant church in naija that nigeria is better than other western civilised countries due to anti-homosexuality stance... Can you imagine such rubbish logic
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 3:16pm On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: You are a person then.

There is nothing in laws or constitutions that says legislators have to be "eponipati" or whatever of laws formulated. Laws formulated are based purely on the desires of the people and what they feel would make them progress; and the laws are meant to apply equally to everyone.

If lawmakers break laws, then enforce the law on them.

Saying laws should not be created because you think legislators cannot be eponikita of it is moronic.

Never bring such moronic arguments my way again.

Some of you ediots think when you use big words it makes you intelligent.
Excuse me,do you even live in nigeria at all... If legistlator's make laws, I am certain it for the perogative of the high few elite in the power corridors of nigeria... What arrant nonsense are you spewing, if with due process in the Constitution of nigeria,the two-thirds of the house of assembly would have removed whatever immunity and hidden grafts/ allowances they have due to the desires of the majority of the people.. I dare say again that our political leaders with the current machinery of government and restriction of the judiciary and efcc are "invisible"....
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 3:02pm On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: There is no side effect to prostitution except a drained pocket and a moaning climax.

Leave crime out of things. Let governments address crimes.
Get your facts right

Prostitution effects our society in many ways.
Prostitutions is more then just a sexual related
crime and can actually lead to more crimes and
violence on the streets.when purchasing a prostitute, many
buyers don't think about the serious consequences
that come with street sex. Sexually transmitted
disease, infidelity, violence, thefts and many crimes
take place with the average prostitute exchange.
Many men and women have received have passed
along sexually transmitted diseases without
knowing and some without even caring. It's not
always the prostitute that does that passing of the
STD either. Many people with and STD feel that they
can't have a sexual relationship with the partner in
fear of passing the disease to them. However, they
find it acceptable to find a prostitute on the corner
who they will never have to meet again, and pass
the STD along in order to relieve sexual frustration.
In return he or she will sleep with several other
people before even knowing they have an STD.
Then the STD gets passed on by those people as
well. Wives, husbands and innocent sexual partners
become victim to the STD. Many of which are severe
and even life threatening.
In addition to passing on diseases, many men and
women pick up prostitutes not caring about how
their wife or husband at home may feel if they ever
found out. Today, society is dealing with a higher
divorce average then ever before. Having the ability
to go out and pickup a prostitute for sexual favors
will only encourage that number to continue to rise.
Society is threatened by much more then diseases
and divorce related to prostitution. Violent crimes
are one of the most severe effects on society. Many
prostitutes have been raped, beaten and killed over
many decades and the number continues to grow.
Prostitutes are seen as week, vulnerable, and an
easy target for men to get their sexual favors and
then to kill and dispose of. Since the prostitute is in
a bad enough situation to need to sell their selves
then chances are that there is no one close enough
to help or reach out to them. This, making them
less likely to be missed and be reported missing.
Men aren't the only culprit in violent, prostitution
related crimes. Many prostitutes have beaten and
killed their buyers as well.
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 2:57pm On Oct 24, 2013
wman: I'm a christian and I believe the following are wrong.

-Lying
-Premarital sex
-Masturbati.on
-Drinking to stupor e.t.c

So because I believe they are wrong should I say no man has a right to do them?
Should I say any man that does the above should be prosecuted.
No man! I can only tell them to stop it. I can't enforce it because It doesn't affect me personally it is their personal sin and has no effect in my personal life.


Now look at the following sins:
-Stealing
-Kidnapping
-Murder e.t.c

These would affect my personal life negatively and others so I believe those who engage in such should be prosecuted.

If you say homosexuals should be prosecuted on religious and moral grounds and you say those who lie, masturbat.e, should not then you are the greatest hypocrite in the world.
I stated this points severally both with an intellectual approach and in layman perspective but some folks have their sense of judgement blinded by a systematic and errondenous culture.. Why do we nigeria's pretend a lot.. In my next post,this same cultural belief we estimate highly has its flaws which I will highlight
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 2:52pm On Oct 24, 2013
ravgach: Those producing those bad stuff do it in the confines of their homes and still the government holes them out and prosecutes them. Saying that gay practice is done in the confine of one's own home does not make it acceptable. It is still evil that affect moral fabrics of the society negatively. It is absurd, contrary to nature, immoral, disgusting, nauseating, evil... Please desist from this destructive evil.
I will give you valid reasons why homosexuality is not in any way a destructive evil.. First of all,Disputes about homosexuality evoke visceral
emotions. Religious views, stereotypes, and social
pressures all contribute to the negative
preconceptions of gay men and lesbians, and the
public discourse on homosexuality has long been
dominated by disgust, confusion, and ignorance.
Thus, efforts of gay men and lesbians to seek legal
recognition and validation for their relationships have been faced with hostility, largely derived from these negative cultural attitudes, rather than from any
internal logic.
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 11:20am On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: I suspect the same.

He is completely intellectually deficient.
See who is talking, I thought you told you could not read some short articulated and well depth argument of intellect write up I posted previously
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 11:16am On Oct 24, 2013
ravgach: If we only compare their practice to animals, then the practice is not good for any society that wants to make progress.
I will be pushed to use the usa as a example against what you just said
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 11:14am On Oct 24, 2013
sultanemerald: I don't engage in mindless bants with your kind. do better.
Sorry, I think ur words should be the other way round.have a nice day
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 11:12am On Oct 24, 2013
ravgach: Those producing those bad stuff do it in the confines of their homes and still the government holes them out and prosecutes them. Saying that gay practice is done in the confine of one's own home does not make it acceptable. It is still evil that affect moral fabrics of the society negatively. It is absurd, contrary to nature, immoral, disgusting, nauseating, evil... Please desist from this destructive evil.
Sir,you are coming from a religious perspective... What about the free thinkers and others??
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 11:09am On Oct 24, 2013
sultanemerald: I believe he lifts this gibberish off couple of places. Put them together without full comprehension and the direction of the argument, paste here and tell us he is intelligent. It is really sad.
undecided
sultanemerald: I believe he lifts this gibberish off couple of places. Put them together without full comprehension and the direction of the argument, paste here and tell us he is intelligent. It is really sad.
undecided undecided undecided undecided abeg, nairalanders.. What is this loser sayinghuh? Okay,then how did I make those mistakes I made?
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 11:06am On Oct 24, 2013
ravgach: Bros, to be honest with you, they are worse than animals. Just check out what they are doing. Animals will never do that dirty stuff!
And then that's what makes them better than animals
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 11:05am On Oct 24, 2013
ccollins: cheesy

Geez,what is wrong with this dude? Be respectful in conversation with noble intellects.. Or are you a learnerhuh? The nigerian legislators make laws partly on moral grounds but is it not common logic that if your leaders who make the so-called moral laws cannot keep them being they an eponym to those laws,so then what do they expect the masses to do kwa?? Or na wetin dey paper for constitutional frame work every person will follow when the leaders are making hullabo of those moral laws and pretending... Mind you that nigerian's are not gullible people like before after all the so-called moral laws are close to nonexistent with level of crimes perpetrated in nigeria
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 11:03am On Oct 24, 2013
ravgach: You do not seem to know the full import of what you are saying. It is just like saying that NAFDAC should stop harassing people producing adulterated drinks. That people have the right to chose what is right and wrong. You can as well say what is anybody's business with what someone is produced in the confines of one's house and sold to people who willingly come to his shop inside his compound to drink his substandard drinks.

Every department of life must be so important to a responsible government. As the economic, political and environmental departments are important, so must the social, moral and educational departments. Any dysfunction in any department is capable of destroying a whole nation.

Homosexuality is an odious moral defect. It is gradually crippling know superpowers in the world today since 1991 when the first country legalized it. It is one of the fallouts of unbridled licentiousness. It has destroyed religious institutions and families around the world. My prayer is that it is never allowed in Nigeria. We already have a lot that is capable of destroying this country. Adding this evil to it will spell doom for the nation. Those who are practi
Oh my gosh!!! How can you equate homosexuality with one will take a drug that can cost his life... Useless sentiments
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 11:01am On Oct 24, 2013
pazienza: So are you willing to admit that your dislike for homosexualism is built around digust, if we agree on this rather than beating around around the bush like you are doing, maybe we can now decide if disgust is enough reason to impose your will on other people's life.
Could not have said it better.nice reply to those who think that homosexual are in same class with animals.. Hence the nauseating position towards them.
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 10:59am On Oct 24, 2013
pazienza: Democracy is not just about the imposition of the will of the majority on the minority, it's also about the protection of the minority from the majority. If democracy was all about the will of the majority, then we won't have the liberation of the blacks in USA, as they were but a minority those days, and majority whites wanted the status quo then to stand, it was their struggle that attracted white sympathizers to them and helped turn the tide.
Gbam la la la gbam la la la gbam la la la!!!!!lol
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 10:53am On Oct 24, 2013
[quote author=Okpara-Jesus]If you like don't accept it. if you feel you want to practice your gay life style do it in secret because if you come out openly the devil.that lured u into the act will still.be the one that will send angry mob.[/quote]Then you must agree with me that nigeria is underdeveloped, uneducated and a babaric country which need illumination to see that there is no difference between an angry mob beating someone and the ancient culture of ethusiatic cannibals eating raw flesh of their fellow human created by God
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 10:49am On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: Your grammar is bad.

Rewrite. I don't understand your points.
nahh, re-check my post... Maybe I typed way too fast... Use ur comprehension sense,the first bolded line is correct
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 10:44am On Oct 24, 2013
grin undecided[quote author=Okpara-Jesus]I have said it all.watch your life because you must have gotten the reprobate mind.[/quote]undecided[quote author=Okpara-Jesus]I have said it all.watch your life because you must have gotten the reprobate mind.[/quote]Looooool... That means that anyone who supports homosexuality is a reprobate already....clap for yóurself... Nice conclusion... You would have also added that any1 who is a racist is a white.. Mitchew
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m):
cheesy
Sagamite: You are a person!

So laws should not be made based on morality because you suspect some legislators may be shady?

Why don't we even close down democracy because we are susceptible to electing shady legislators.

What a cretin!



Are you really this thick? undecided

Who said all laws are based on morality for it to warrant you making the statement?
Geez,what is wrong with this dude? Be respectful in conversation with noble intellects.. Or are you a learnerhuh? The nigerian legislators make laws partly on moral grounds but is it not common logic that if your leaders who make the so-called moral laws cannot keep them being they an eponym to those laws,so then what do they expect the masses to do kwa?? Or na wetin dey paper for constitutional frame work every person will follow when the leaders are making hullabo of those moral laws and pretending... Mind you that nigerian's are not gullible people like before after all the so-called moral laws are close to nonexistent with level of crimes perpetrated in nigeria
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 10:23am On Oct 24, 2013
pazienza: I see Sagamite is already here, i anticipated his arrival. *grins*
Nahh, he is just obsessed with topics like this, he has to explain.lol.... Just running out..TAXI!!!!!!!!! Over here...
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 10:09am On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: If you show me where I stated all laws are based on morality, I would go back and read your previous post.

Otherwise, I would strongly advise you to stop drinking locally-made burukutu early in the morning.
Do not disgracefully misunderstand my post,"I said not all laws but then some do not have morality" hope you got that into your hard brain
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 10:07am On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: Honestly, are you really this thick? undecided
I am not easily intimidated by political scientists who self-claim to know it all.. I have to be outspoken and assertive in facts which I have to convince a person who is a deluded ignoramus and myopic... Also, bet some peeps have to go back to school and read the nigerian legal system by a.o sanni... Its annoying to bring in morality when we know how corrupt and wayward our legistlators are in law making even though they pretend in open and in writing not to be such....
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 10:00am On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: Over-rated?

Maybe.

If you can find enough people like you to create a nihilist nation, feel free.

The fact there that I am clonking into your head is that, the argument homosexuality cannot be banned based on morality, laws are not created based on morality or morality is not a justification for creating laws is null and void.
Seems u did not see my previous post vividly, u choose to ignore it.. Go through it again,, I still rest my case on the wide believe that laws not entirely all do not depend on morality,,, I could give a million rationale if you want
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 9:53am On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: More tosh by you.

When something is subjective, how do you determine its application in a society?

By taking the view of a minority and imposing it over the majority's desire?

Stop chatting rubbish!

Every nation formulates laws based on morality.
Imao, you forgot we have minority leaders in the house of assembly who can influence certain decisions
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 9:51am On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: You are reetarded!

Tell me since when did fairytale places become countries?

Tell me why you believe the USSR did not use morality in forming laws.

I have not read the rest of your junk as you clearly started of with pure junk.
Oga, morality is Overrated in various country laws... Stop saying trash.. That is my main point
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 9:42am On Oct 24, 2013
To some folks here with down syndrome who only resort to tantrums to feel they have won a healty debate beyond them.. Let me clarify some things,, and why the law should never be against same -sex marriage I.e the influence of moral views is always
present in human behaviour and activity. More
generally speaking: subjectivity is always 'present'.
The point is that it cannot be showed and that it
cannot be used to motivate or justify a decision or an
act that is regulated by law. The training of a judge is
not only intellectual but also emotional and political:
regardless of her beliefs, she must believe that the
only source of authority is the Law. This principle of
legality may contradict somehow the MORAL beliefs
of certain people, but that's another issue.
The cases of deviation from the principle of legality
are probably a low percentage: In many cases, these
deviations do not come from morality interference
nor even from subjectivity. In most cases, the legal
system can expurgate them.
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 9:36am On Oct 24, 2013
[quote author=Okpara-Jesus]pls don't tell me you now have a reprobate mind.[/quote]What is the scathing remarks all about , I am not a homosexual but a firm believer in human rights.. We are in the 21st century for crying out loud
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 9:31am On Oct 24, 2013
Sagamite: No, I am just seeing a person that is chatting moronic rubbish.

Now foool, listen carefully.

Laws are usually formed based on 2 main basis:

- Harm caused.
- Morality.


When a law is made based on this, a punishment is attached to not adhering to the law.

I asked you a simple question which it appears you were too daft to comprehend and answer:

Tell me one nation now or IN HISTORY that has never used morality as a basis for creating laws.

If you can't, then stop chatting shyt!
Morality can mean diabolic things,, u really have a nonsense one dimension of morality to talk this rubbish... Historical researches shows that there is an element of morality in every nations law but I still maintain my stance that some certain nations do not have morality due to the way their law was crafted.. Okay,sodom and gommorrah, other countries like u.s.s.r during their dictatorship era... Morality is subjective, I.e a nation may accept stealing into their law... Does that still make their laws moralhuh? Let me be more detailed here - There is a common logical fallacy that the crime
statistics reflect in some way the morality of the
society. STOP HERE AND THINK TWICE! The crime
statistics reflect first to which extent the human
behaviour may be considered to be criminal, i.e.
these figures mirror the criminalization of certain
activities. We can legalize prostitution or the retail
sales of alcohol in Sweden and then statistics of
crime will look different, not necessarily better. We
can change the definition of the crimes; a broader
definition will increase the statistics at least in the
first period after the amendment. A narrower
definition and a harder burden of proof for the
prosecution will decrease the statistics, but attention
not the criminality. The most fallacious part of the
statement is to pass by the fact that an increase in
the statistics can often reflect a more effective
enforcement. The police and the other authorities
have invested lots of public money in a betterment of
the enforcement. This has nothing to do with the
morality of the people living in that jurisdiction.
Think about the taxation for instance! One can define
taxation as a very moral activity, it is after all about
sharing and giving to the people in need, but also as
an immoral activity because a person is dispossessed
by his/he property, property which has been obtained
completely in a legal manner. Of course that some
crimes appear to be absolutely horrifying and
undoubtedly immoral, but you as an outsider, as a
second hand listener, you will never know the whole
story. Therefore the biblical story is still wise: Don't
throw any stones on nobody! You might be less
innocent than that person.
Another short reflection about the truth and the
search for truth and the idea that the ultimate truth
is God! To me this statement is related with the first
the biblical advice 'Don't throw stones!'. The socially
constructed truth is always relative and it serves
some common purposes. Panem et circenses, bread
and circus/games, this is what it is served. Now-a-
days the circus is more Hollywood constructed than
live. The main idea is that you do not witness the
truth, we are only told the 'truth' and if the truths
being told fit with your frame of values, they are
going to be accepted as reality. If they come in
conflict with this frame of values, you will reject them
and start to search about the 'real' truth and so on. It
sounds strange but in order to provide justice and be
impartial, you have to forget about your own cultural
bias or moral bias and judge as to the law, not as to
the morality.
Politics › Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ccollins(m): 9:15am On Oct 24, 2013
[quote author=Okpara-Jesus]You know the bible is so vast that every sinner most surely find excuse to defend the sin he/she commits. my dear you owe your life and the things of the heaven is not new to you. I don't hate sinners but they must get to know that they are doing the wrong thing. ( I like this word judge me not ) but remember that their is a major deference between JUDGMENT AND CONDEMNATION. if you feel that God left the woman to chose Wat was here latter behavior, we were ment to.know that she went about telling people to see someone who told her Wat she has done. Now you feel they should be given freedom but Many Nigerians says NO.[/quote]We all know that in history, not all the majority says always happen.. Because most nigerians do not support same - sex marriage does not mean that it is evil cretins that are homosexuals who should be dealt with accordingly

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