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http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2010/apr/04/national-04-04-2010-002.htm

Reference for news item above

Remove the veil of intense bigotry and anti-islam from your eyes and adopt critical reasoning. Don't you see that for every crime that you point to that a Muslim in involved in you will find a christian and indeed people of varied creeds also involved?

What is intelligent is to point out 2 things if you ever can:
That Certain crimes are perpetrated only by Muslims
Provide unequivocal evidence in the books of the Muslims (Qur'an and Hadith) to show that the religion of Islam calls to or supports these crimes.

If you have these proofs we will be more than willing to consume the information. If you can't, then stop exposing your inability to engage in critical thinking. Post messages that will end the rancour, carnage and sow the seed of harmony in society. If you find yourself incapable of this simple task, then I implore adjure you not to clog the cyberspace with inciteful stories which serve no purpose than to tear the fabric of peaceful co-existence.


See below the crimes of others:

Pastor Father kills son in domestic dispute
http://christianchildabuse..com/2009/12/pastor-father-kills-son-in-domestic.html


Pastor Father kills son in domestic dispute
Darby police: Father kills son in domestic dispute
Published: Saturday, December 26, 2009

By AMY BRISSON
abrisson@delcotimes.com

DARBY BOROUGH — A family gathering turned to tragedy on Christmas Day when a son was shot and killed by his father, according to Darby police.

Jordon Caldwell, 21, was found suffering from a gunshot wound to the chest in his family home in the 100 block of Ridge Avenue at about 2 p.m. Friday, said Chief Robert F. Smythe.

Caldwell was rushed to Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital, where he was pronounced dead a half-hour later.

Smythe said it appears Caldwell was shot by his father, Kirk Caldwell, 44, who got involved in a domestic dispute that started between his son and a girl.

Caldwell’s murder was the 21st homicide in the county this year and the third killing in Darby in 2009.

Smythe said it is still not clear exactly what led to the shooting, which was witnessed by 20 or more family and friends. Many of them were still in their slippers and pajamas when police responded to a 911 call, Smythe said.

“We’re trying to put it all together, but at this point what we’re saying is that it was a domestic and the father shot the son,” Smythe said.

Kirk Caldwell was being held by police, but had not been charged as of early Friday evening.

Smythe said he personally knows Caldwell, a pastor at the End Times Harvest Mission for Christ in Philadelphia, to be a “very good man.”

“We got to get to the bottom of the story. The family’s good people. We need to wait until we get through these interviews in the next several hours,” said Smythe.

Besides leading a congregation in Philadelphia, Caldwell has spoken out in the past about violence in Darby. In a July 9 vigil for another young shooting victim, Caldwell was quoted in the Daily Times cautioning residents not to take the law into their own hands.

“Retaliation is never the answer. Retaliation is only going to make it worse,” he said.

The official cause of Jordon Caldwell’s death is pending an autopsy by the Delaware County Medical Examiner.


Hindu Man Kills Son:
http://www.hindu.com/2010/03/16/stories/2010031663090600.htm

Man kills his two children


Staff Correspondent
KOLAR: In a ghastly incident, the decomposed bodies of two children were found in a eucalyptus grove near Shyanubhogarahalli village on the outskirts of the town on Sunday. The dead have been identified as Narasimhamurthy (7) and Nandini (5). Lakshman Reddy, father of the children, reportedly took them out from the hut on Thursday and allegedly strangled them and threw the bodies in the grove. Lakshman had killed his one-year-old son two years ago. A superstitious belief that his children are bad omen for his life reportedly forced Lakshman, a driver, to kill all his children.

The death of two children came to light when some dogs were carrying human flesh.

Dear kodewrita,

I hope hope you are having a nice day at work.

The premise behind each statement of your postings leave me in bewilderment as I scamper to discern how so far off you miss the point. In the light of this, I shall proceed to point out the wrong turns of assumptions that you have taken and fix a guiding sign-post on each bend that perhaps you may understand the crux of my argument, the errors in your submissions and retrace your footsteps to the highway of truth.


@chitchat  I am not in the habit of getting into flame wars. You need to calm down. Its a simple fact that you wont see a true christian rushing out to blow himself up.


I am not getting into flame wars my dear. All I have said are indefatigable truths with evidences as plain as day. The THIS DAY newspaper article should cause you to rethink and retract your words. 24hrs! Was that guy reading from our forum? Lest I forget, I am as cool as ice.


Jihad is not in our code. But it is in yours.

Why then is is Jesus Christ (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) quoted in your Bible (LUKE 19:27) as saying:
But those my enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring here, and slay them before me (American King James Version).

Why then does the book of Juges from verse 19 read thus:
(19) But he himself turned back at the idols near Gilgal and said, “I have a secret message for you, O king.” And he commanded, “Silence.” And all his attendants went out from his presence.
(20) And Ehud came to him as he was sitting alone in his cool roof chamber. And Ehud said, “I have a message from God for you.” And he arose from his seat.
(21) And Ehud reached with his left hand, took the sword from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly.
(22) And the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not pull the sword out of his belly; and the dung came out.
(23) Then Ehud went out into the porch and closed the doors of the roof chamber behind him and locked them.
(24) When he had gone, the servants came, and when they saw that the doors of the roof chamber were locked, they thought, “Surely he is relieving himself in the closet of the cool chamber.”
(25) And they waited till they were embarrassed. But when he still did not open the doors of the roof chamber, they took the key and opened them, and there lay their lord dead on the floor.

My dear, its in your book! Maybe where you are right is that you have not named it Jihad. You could have the honour of being the first Christian to name this act

Jihad is in our book the Qur'an and we are grateful to Allah that its there. The question is: What is Jihad and how those it operate (Hey, chipchap. Be sure to quote from the Qura'n as you have for the Bible ).

Definition:
Jihad refers to striving in the cause of Allah with all that is in your possession from your thoughts, deeds, wealth down to mortal combat, with the goal of removing corruption from the surface of the earth, freeing humanity from oppression and serving Allah.
Evidence from the Qur'an:
Quran 2:190; Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.
Here, Allah legislates mortal combat for the Muslims who had endured oppression and genocide. Before the revelation of this verse, they could not retaliate for they had not be allowed to do so by Allah. Can you compare this to the Biblical quotations?! I am sure you will find a way, some way

Now tell me what human ideology; democracy, Christianity, communism, etc, was allowed to exist without engaging in mortal combat to defend its right to exist. Remember christianity fought many crusades (mortal combat). Real the accounts in encyclopedia Britanica to confirm.


Gather as much internet filth as possible and paste it here for us to peruse, that still doesn't change the fact that close to 60 to 70% of all the miscreants threatening our peace with terrorism on this planet are muslims of different persuasions. The hutarees just like so many other american aberrations are just plain silly.


My dear, does truth become filth once it hits cyberspace?! There you go again!!
60%-70%. Amazing! Please would you be bold enough to share the credible source of this outlandish statement of yours? kodewrita, always verify your assumptions before you put pen to paper. Failure to do this exposes a great deficiency by way of due diligence on your part.


You are so quick to pick people who pay lip service to Christianity as emblems of such. Saddam was an apostate muslim but you dont see us holding him up as an emblem of the best you can produce. All the corrupt potentates in the arab world are supposedly muslim including Ghadaffi but you dont see us holding them up.

kodewrita, if this was the way you and other Christians perceived issues, then there would have been no corrections to be made. No fingers to point. However, you of all people should know that your submission here is far from the truth. How come you so easily forgot your own statement just one paragraph above "60 to 70% of all the miscreants threatening our peace with terrorism on this planet are muslims of different persuasions." Another quotes of yours which you should refer to is: "Jihad is not in our code. But it is in yours."
Man, without any attempt at ridicule, this is amnesia extraordinaire.


Thank God for the fact that a band of misguided people in america have provided you fodder. But realise that Al Qaeda is a whole movement, an ideology secretly supported by millions while the Hutaree are just a band of miscreants from a nation that has already provided us with silly brainless cults like the Branch Davidians, Ku Klux Klan, The Brotherhood (prison racists) and popular gangs like the Bloods and the Crips.


We are not happy the Hutarees or any of their Ilk happened upon America (or any other nation for that matter). What I am doing is to follow the adage of my people "When the eye produces mucous, then the mucous should be wiped up and presented to the eye". End of story. Don't throw stones whilst you live in glass houses. Read the posting of @Truly on human actions and their understandable premises (right / wrong). Remove the religious blinkers. Shikena!
Perhaps you should read the Christian Science Monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0523/p11s02-coop.html they don't support your view about the widespread affiliation to AlQaeda. Various Muslim countries; Saudi Arabia at the head are working actively against these individuals. Where then do you get proof for your wide support for Alqaeda? Maybe its from BUsh? If so read the New York Times about gross distortion about AlQaeda attributes in an attempt at fear mongering http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/13/world/middleeast/13qaeda.html?_r=1
Visit the websites of Internationally acclaimed Muslim scholar and proven students of Islamic knowledge e.g; islamq&a.com, troid.com, etc, and all you will find are refutations of AlQaeda and its modus operandi. Take the time to visit AlQaeda's blogs and videos online. You will find them full of hateful speach and threat to Muslims who don't buy their strange ways (the majority of Muslims).


We can expect the americans to provide us with more idiots but thats all they are. There's no popular support. Nobody jubilating anytime they kill police officers. No one clapping each other on their backs like you did when the Sept 11 incident occured (my muslim friends were walking around with noses in the air telling me their mullahs had predicted the fall of the US).


Please watch FOX NEWS and you will find the popular support you state to be absent. Even Obama felt it in his election campaign. Do you not remember the old lady from the American Bible belt state who told McCain during his campaign taht she'll vote for instead of Obama because Obama is a terrorist and a Muslim.
Read the online comments of christians on 234NEXT.com, punch newspaper etc. Again you will find the jubilation at Muslim calamity that you found hard to detect. Those threds are still present.
Your friends jubilated at the WTC bombing? Did you ask them if they knew that Muslims were amongst those killed in the attack? . Please refer to the websites I gave you. Where are the MULLAHS who said so?! Its high time you changed 'YOUR FRIENDS'

As to the not guilty pleas, It is a natural thing in the american justice system to start with a NOT GUILTY plea. If they had such support, wwould they have been arraigned like criminals?


Karadich is currently in the International Court of Justice for genocide he and his Christian state committed against Bosnian Muslims. He had popular support and is currently pleading not guilty. Please get your facts right.


You simply want to use one incident and one misguided band to justify so many years of terror?
The LRA, Irish Republican Army, Nazi soldiers,  this must be the ONE MISGUIDED BAND YOU REFER TO.



(Update:: Your so-called muslim brothers are quite busy this year

--------[color=#990000]still stealing ships in the name of jihad in somalia,
--------- selling opium ,cannabis and heroin (they are the world's top producers) to fund jihad in afghanistan,
--------- bombing children's schools in afghanistan to prevent women from schooling,
--------- killing cricketers in india,
--------- blowing up hotels in bali)

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Its hard to teach an old dog new tricks but i'll try, AGAIN.
Since u,v missed the point for the umpth time, I'll state this clearly.
Where do you find in the Qur'an that the actions stated above are sactioned or even alluded to in Islam? Please bring your proof.
Though I do not believe the statements arrogated to the holy personality of Jesus christ; the most referend messenger of Allah, we still find in your bible allutions to stealling:
Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . . And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."  (parallels in Matthew)

Incest by prophets of God are to be found in your book too: Lot was practiced incest with his daughters!!! These are in BLACK AND WHITE IN THE BIBLE. No fabrications. If so, then these guys (the sellers of opium and co.) you quoted in your update must be reading from the Bible.

AGAIN FOR THE UMPTH TIME "HE WHO LIVES IN A GLASS HOUSE SHOULD NOT THROW STONES" Its not wise.

Yet you expect us to consider some brainwashed americans(who got free arms from the nearest store) as dangerous as Al Qaeda. its like comparing a pack of termites to a flood of amazonian army ants. They just don't match.

More dangerous than Alqaeda are the Christian Nazi can you compare. I am sure you can. You have proven so repeatedly.

The argument lest you forget is based on the selective amnesia when christian; albeit misguided, commit a wrong Vs jubilation and tongue lashing when a Muslim does same.
All I ask is that you use the same criteria for both and judge both if you insist, with their books and not their persons. Shikena

CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS

DETROIT – Not guilty pleas were entered in Michigan Wednesday on behalf of eight members of a Christian militia that prosecutors say plotted to kill police officers and spark a violent revolt against the U.S. government.

Nine suspected members of Hutaree, self-proclaimed[b] "Christian warriors"[/b] who trained themselves in paramilitary techniques in preparation for a battle against the Antichrist, were arrested after a series of raids across the Midwest.

All have been charged with seditious conspiracy.

Prosecutors say the group planned to make a false 911 call, kill responding police officers, then set off a bomb at the funeral to kill many more. An indictment said that after the attacks, the group planned to retreat to "rally points" protected by trip-wired explosives for a violent standoff with law enforcement personnel.

Federal officials said they began monitoring the militia last summer and they believed an attack was planned for April. Court documents said an undercover FBI agent and a cooperating witness were part of the federal probe.

Eight suspects were arraigned Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Detroit, including the alleged ringleader, 44-year-old David Brian Stone. The ninth suspect appeared in court in Indiana but no plea was entered.

In Detroit, all stood mute to the charges except Joshua Matthew Stone, David Stone's 21-year-old son, who pleaded not guilty. U.S. District Court Magistrate Judge Donald A. Scheer entered not guilty pleas on behalf of the others.

In arguing for detention, Assistant U.S. Attorney Ronald Waterstreet told the court the suspects' conduct was at issue.

"It's not about a religious group," Waterstreet said. "It's not about the militia. It's about a group who decided to oppose by force the U.S. by using violence and weapons."

Waterstreet described the hierarchy of Hutaree, saying David Brian Stone led the militia and Joshua Matthew Stone was a squad leader. He said David Brian Stone Jr., the elder Stone's 19-year-old son, was in charge of detonations and explosives.

He said Kristopher Sickles, 27, of Sandusky, Ohio led the militia in that state and that others charged in the case had responsibilities including communications and recruitment. He said Michael David Meeks, 40, and Thomas W. Piatek, 46, of Whiting, Ind. were "heavy gunners" in charge of "laying down heavy fire" in encounters with the enemy.

In Indiana, Judge Paul Cherry ordered Piatek held without bond and that he be transferred to Michigan to face weapons and conspiracy charges with the other defendants.

A federal prosecutor testified that FBI agents found 46 guns and 13,000 rounds of ammunition in Piatek's home in Whiting, Indiana.

Defense attorney Jerry Flynn said Piatek denies he planned to participate in the alleged plot.

Hearings to determine if any of the defendants would be released on bail were being held Wednesday afternoon for leader David Stone and six others.

Meeks was expected to face a detention hearing Thursday. A lawyer for Meeks said evidence would be presented that distinguishes him from the other defendants, and that he denied involvement in any plot to overthrow the government.

___

Associated Press writers David Runk in Detroit and Tom Coyne in Hammond, Ind. contributed to this report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100331/ap_on_re_us/us_fbi_raids

Dear kodewrita

Insert Quote
"No matter how hard you try, you will still not change anybody's mind. We are not scared that some christian will wake up tomorrow and try to blow up his underwear. He will have to be disturbed by something else and as such religion will not be his motivation. it will simply be a moniker for him".

I do not expect that a single Christian will change in the face of glaring facts. Were that to occur, it will indeed be a gross deviation from Christian tradition passed down through the ages.

Christians have a habit of dodging the question and filling their hearts with wishful thinking. You have stated your willingness to close your eyes to a christian who would attempt to blow off his underwears in an attempt at mass murder and rather proceed to explain his action off as a non-christianity induced action. In the same breath you do not second-guess when it comes to labeling a Muslim engaged in the same act. HOW JUST!, HOW HILARIOUS!!, HOW SO CHRISTIAN!!!.

Dear kodewrita

Insert Quote
No matter how hard you try, you will still not change anybody's mind. We are not scared that some christian will wake up tomorrow and try to blow up his underwear. He will have to be disturbed by something else and as such religion will not be his motivation. it will simply be a moniker for him.

I do not expect that a single Christian will change in the face of glaring facts. Were that to occur, it will indeed be a gross deviation from Christian tradition passed down through the ages.

Christians have a habit of dodging the question and filling their hearts with wishful thinking. You have stated your willingness to close your eyes to a christian who would attempt to blow off his underwears in an attempt at mass murder and rather proceed to explain his action off as a non-christianity induced action. In the same breath you do not second-guess when it comes to labeling a Muslim engaged in the same act. HOW JUST!, HOW HILARIOUS!!, HOW SO CHRISTIAN!!!.

Your response is a classic Christian response and could not have been better stated. However, people like my humble self will continue to make plain what is obvious. It is left to the discerning to follow.

Fhemmmy, Neku , AIRDIG, etc

I do not understand your surprise or alarm at the piece of information circulating about about Christianity and the Hutarees. I do a contradiction and neither do I see a deviation from what has always been the standard practice of Christians. Let me explain to you.

In Bosnia, when christian Serbs did a mass gang rape of Muslim women, marched over 8,000 Muslim men and boys from their homes, laid them faced down, in one of the worst cases of genocide in recent history, it was Christians who did the killing.

When Hitler built concentration camps and roasted humanbeings alive, he did it in the name of the cross (refer to the Nazi symbol). Hitler's carnage is yet to be surpassed by any other faith for indeed he made the task of rivaling him a steep one.

When (some) white Americans  kicked against the presidency of Obama for fear that he might be a Muslim, again they were Christians.

When Nicholas Sarchkosy of France moved a bill to ban the freedom of Muslim women to use the face-veil and tolerantly began to dictate to them what they could and could not practice of their own religion of Islam, he was and remains a Christian (I won't go into the unholy extramarrital affairs of his excellency).

When the Pope Ratzinger (a former soldier in Hitler's army) swashed the inquiry into the actions of a known pedophile priest both their HOLINESS were and remain Christian.

When an alarming number of catholic church heads throughout Ireland, England, United states, Australia, etc (a christian even told me Nigeria) decided to show HOLY love to young boys put in their spiritual and physical care by sodomising them, they were and remain Christians (they still walk the streets and breath God's air!!!).

When Apartheid visited South Africa, in was hurled in by Bible-flaunting Christians. Their apartheid government was also supported, covertly and overtly by western Christian nations, up until such support began to earn them some embarrassment.

When my fore-fathers were kidnapped from the shores of Africa, stacked like fishes in the bellies of an endless fleet of slave ships and ferried off to the new lands (including "God's own country-- America", the kidnappers, sellers and buyers of slaves were all Christians. They told them that their reward was in paradise, read to them  passages, not from the Quran, but from the Bible and converted them into their religion so that they could be like them. No wonder!!!

When the Muslims were slaughtered in Jos, Nigeria and stuffed into soak-away pits, the local Christian press celebrated their massacre with a deafening silence. Mum was the word unitil Al-Jazeerah crossed the Arabian desert to break the news to the Nigerian populace about was transpired in their backyard. However, when the Muslims retaliated, the erstwhile dumb Christian press found its voice and chanted "Reprisal attack". Really?!!

Timothy Mcveigh, the Shoe bomber, American Atrocities in the middle-east, The list is endless. [b]These are all Christian individuals, institutions and nations.[/b]

When next you make bold to say Christianity is about peace, love etc, perhaps you will want to remember my writing. When next you decide to hastily pass judgment on a Muslim and condemn him to destruction, it will be wise to remember the saying of our elders: "The one who lives in a glass house does not throw stones". It is not wise.

Fhemmmy, Neku , AIRDIG, etc

I do not understand your surprise or alarm at the piece of information circulating about about Christianity and the Hutarees. I do a contradiction and neither do I see a deviation from what has always been the standard practice of Christians. Let me explain to you.

In Bosnia, when christian Serbs did a mass gang rape of Muslim women, marched over 8,000 Muslim men and boys from their homes, laid them faced down, in one of the worst cases of genocide in recent history, it was Christians who did the killing.

When Hitler built concentration camps and roasted humanbeings alive, he did it in the name of the cross (refer to the Nazi symbol). Hitler's carnage is yet to be surpassed by any other faith for indeed he made the task of rivaling him a steep one.

When (some) white Americans kicked against the presidency of Obama for fear that he might be a Muslim, again they were Christians.

When Nicholas Sarchkosy of France moved a bill to ban the freedom of Muslim women to use the face-veil and tolerantly began to dictate to them what they could and could not practice of their own religion of Islam, he was and remains a Christian (I won't go into the unholy extramarrital affairs of his excellency).

When the Pope Ratzinger (a former soldier in Hitler's army) swashed the inquiry into the actions of a known pedophile priest both their HOLINESS were and remain Christian.

When an alarming number of catholic church heads throughout Ireland, England, United states, Australia, etc (a christian even told me Nigeria) decided to show HOLY love to young boys put in their spiritual and physical care by sodomising them, they were and remain Christians (they still walk the streets and breath God's air!!!).

When Apartheid visited South Africa, in was hurled in by Bible-flaunting Christians. Their apartheid government was also supported, covertly and overtly by western Christian nations, up until such support began to earn them some embarrassment.

When my fore-fathers were kidnapped from the shores of Africa, stacked like fishes in the bellies of an endless fleet of slave ships and ferried off to the new lands (including "God's own country-- America", the kidnappers, sellers and buyers of slaves were all Christians. They told them that their reward was in paradise, read to them passages, not from the Quran, but from the Bible and converted them into their religion so that they could be like them. No wonder!!!

When the Muslims were slaughtered in Jos, Nigeria and stuffed into soak-away pits, the local Christian press celebrated their massacre with a deafening silence. Mum was the word unitil Al-Jazeerah crossed the Arabian desert to break the news to the Nigerian populace about was transpired in their backyard. However, when the Muslims retaliated, the erstwhile dumb Christian press found its voice and chanted "Reprisal attack". Really?!!

Timothy Mcveigh, the Shoe bomber, American Atrocities in the middle-east, The list is endless. These are all Christian individuals, institutions and nations.

When next you make bold to say Christianity is about peace, love etc, perhaps you will want to remember my writing. When next you decide to hastily pass judgment on a Muslim and condemn him to destruction, it will be wise to remember the saying of our elders: "The one who lives in a glass house does not throw stones". It is not wise.