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BabaGnoni:
^^^
This is rhetoric explaining God off, has having "a low self esteem"
and bent on a mission of disgracing Pharoah and making a wanton public display of the Egyptians!

God wants to show his power in egypt so that they would know that there is a God who is all powerful that is unknown to them than their magicians, witch, idols etc. God always want to make himself known to such people that don't know him. You know that some later believe in God and went out of Egypt with the Israelite.
God doesn't do that to show off or boast his self-esteem.

Lalasticlala can help us move it to front page to get more views. This is an interesting topic.

fallout87:
Making promises he never intends to keep. Instead of making these false promises tell us HOW you will do it. Not vaguely, but in detail HOW.

don't mind him. it is just empty promise.

that is only if Jonathan wins the election.

37 Who is he who speaks and it comes to pass, When the Lord has not commanded it? 38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That woe and well-being proceed? 39 Why should a living man complain, A man for the punishment of his sins? 40 Let us search out and examine our ways, And turn back to the LORD; 41 Let us lift our hearts and hands To God in heaven. Lam 3:37-41

Pr0ton:
That verse is just like saying I made Seun the owner of Nairaland (you know how popular his website is) I then hacked his website and made myself known as the hacker of such big website. How rational and matured would you deem me to be?

yea. God wants to show his power in Egypt. but through someone who does not regard him like pharoah. he wants to prove to all Egyptians that he is God and beside him, there is no other. he does whatever he says.

Pr0ton:
If you as well read Exodus 4, the prior incident to the one you pointed out in Exodus 5, you'll see that God had already said in verse 21 that He would harden Pharoah's heart.

And I love the way your loving God punishes people too.

this is the reason why God hardens pharoah's heart.


17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Rom 9:17.

i don't think God punishes anyone unjustly though. one must have committed some sins.

Pr0ton:
There is nothing to make out from the "little he has revealed"

it means you are the one that is not ready to know and use it. your mind is fixed.

Pr0ton:
BabaGnoni

Whether "I have" or "I will" it was God doing the hardening. But wait... You mean there was a possibility that God might not harden Pharoah's heart even after saying "I will"? Not likely, because "tho heaven and earth pass away; my word will never pass away".

It is even more clear in Exd 9:12 that what God told Moses came true.

And I'm not claiming to have a better knowledge. Let's just get things straight, not twisted

it seems Pharaoh's heart was already hardened before.


1 Afterward Moses and Aaron went in and told Pharaoh, “Thus says the LORD God of Israel: ‘Let My people go, that they may hold a feast to Me in the wilderness.’ ” 2 And Pharaoh said, “Who is the LORD, that I should obey His voice to let Israel go? I do not know the LORD, nor will I let Israel go.” Exodus 5:1-2.


pharoah wants to contest with God and God had to prove to him that he was far superior to him. no one contest with God. satan tries it and he was cast out. Nebuchadnezzar tries it and he was turned to an animal for seven years. Herod tries it and his body gone rotten and eaten by worms. etc.

Pr0ton:
Why should the word of an all powerful all knowing God be difficult and confusing to comprehend. An intelligent person would know how to format his scripts in way that will be understood clearly, even by the ordinary reader. The creator of intelligence should have his/her/its to be more impressive; unfortunately it doesn't.

the issue is, what have you done with the little he had revealed to you?

just dey laugh.

adexsimply:
How do you direct questions meant for God to humans?

if you direct it to God, you would not get an answer until u meet him in heaven. there are mysteries in the bible that humans cannot phantom until we meet him. maybe this is one of them. but let those who can try answer it carry on.

adexsimply:
Humans? now I'm lost.

it seems i didn't get your question at first.

Hiswordxray:
I don't know about predestination but I do believe God cannot infringe on our free will.

ok

adexsimply:
Are you by any chance pro-deterministic ?

no. why do you ask?

adexsimply:
If you had the right, where would you direct the question to?

since we don't see God, we have to direct it to humans to see if they can provide a suitable answer.

Hiswordxray:
Yes God can harden people heart but that is not an infringement on our free will. God can only harden the heart of those who had already harden their heart. God knows how weak people are and how they could easily run away from the problem they have put themselves into.
Pharaoh had already harden his heart towards God. And God being a righteous judge wanted to punish him severely but He knows that Pharaoh will easily give in if he sees just a little of God's judgment. So God had to harden his heart so that he could remain and continue in his evil until God had completely avenge His people by giving Pharaoh the fullness of the punishment he deserves.
So God's act of hardening Pharaoh's heart is His way of keeping Pharaoh in the prison until he had sever his time. Pharaoh had to remain in his evil works for God to have enough time to completely pour out His cup of wrath on him.

ok. but you know God can create some people to act in a particular way whether positive or negative to fulfil a partcular purpose. they have been predestined.

Pr0ton:
He feels bored and needs something to play with to keep himself kinda lively; by hardening people's heart so that they disobey, and then cast them to hell. It's all fun to Him. He is a loving God though.

you know we humans don't have the right to question God.



20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it , “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? Romans 9:20-21.

MaziOmenuko:
I've read threads where people ask if they can use their tithe to solve their own problems or that of a neighbour in need but were rebuked against doing such. This is contrary to what the scripture says.

Deuteronomy > 14.29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

The 3rd guy insisted that if we are allowed to eat the tithe to satisfy hunger (a physical need), why can't we use our tithe to satisfy other needs; be it house rent or help a neighbour in need as stated in the above verse; although his verdict remains that tithing is not a christian practice but if we must practice jew laws, then we must do it rightly as breaking one of the (jewish) laws is equivalent to breaking all.

you have a point here o. let's wait for the tithe preachers to debunk this.

Truckpusher:
Just the way he has hardened Buhari's heart to contest again after failing thrice.

he will be destroyed like Pharaoh.

this one go hard them o.

Pr0ton:
He is just having fun.

i don't get you.

Precioussilas10:
If that's the case,we are not responsible for our actions...i hope to see the views of others

it seems so. Pharaoh's heart was programmed in a particular way. so everything he was doing was based on how he was programmed. anyway, i would like to get other people's views about this as well.

Precioussilas10:
Taking this bible passage into consideration,will it be out of place to say that God controls our actions?..or in a more precise manner,we have been predestined to act in a particular way?

we have been programmed to act in a particular way like robots whether positive or negative.

spyroet:
yes ofcourse it is possible for God to harden people"s heart to fufill an ansignment,our mind is our soul and can be manipulated and control either for good or bad that why we must pray very hard n hav faith for we not to be control by evil being or spirit.but dwell in the holy ghost fire which can lead us in right direction.

so God can harden someone's heart to fulfil a particular assignment whether positive or negative?

let all the bible scholars come around to discuss this.
i need answers to this question?

look at those verses of scriptures.


3 And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt. 4 But Pharaoh will not heed you, so that I may lay My hand on Egypt and bring My armies and My people, the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments. 5 And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I stretch out My hand on Egypt and bring out the children of Israel from among them.” Exodus 7:3-5.


4 Then I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, so that he will pursue them; and I will gain honor over Pharaoh and over all his army, that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD.” And they did so. 5 Now it was told the king of Egypt that the people had fled, and the heart of Pharaoh and his servants was turned against the people; and they said, “Why have we done this, that we have let Israel go from serving us?” 6 So he made ready his chariot and took his people with him. 7 Also, he took six hundred choice chariots, and all the chariots of Egypt with captains over every one of them. 8 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued the children of Israel; and the children of Israel went out with boldness. Exodus 14:4-8.

20 For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that He might utterly destroy them, and that they might receive no mercy, but that He might destroy them, as the LORD had commanded Moses. Joshua 11:20.


17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”
18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. Romans 9:17-18.

enny09:
this type of advise is what have made GEJ 2nd term ambition almost impossible u dont make more enemy in politics but more friends, state governors are very important if the president want to win his re-election bid.

so u like what Amaechi is doing to Jonathan? barring him from using the stadium?

what is wrong with this Amaechi? is he drunk? Jonathan should crush this guy once and for all.

henryangelo:
We are still not satisfied with your defense, we need authentic verification of that result before we consider voting for him in 2019,he should start early so that by 2019 he will be certified to be voted for. For now GEJ is man till 2019

you have said it all.

stop fvcking anyhow. keep yourself from HIV.

This is harsh.