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Its xbox 360 for me. Realising Xbox 360 last year is already a strategic advantge for microsoft . Although am very sure PS3 would be a tough opponent to beat, i still see microsoft gaining more market share . Why did sony decide to use the blu-ray technology. this might be their downfall.

However never underestimate the underdog Nintendo. I see a revolution in their contoll pad.

babz i'll hola at ya

Exactly. that was my point in my earlier posts. I really didnt understand the useless moral lectures from darkman or whatever he/she called himself/herself.

I have left him/her to wallow in his/her own ignorance.

babez u r da bomb. would like to know u more. u on IM ?

You are the one on the left, innit      . **heart skips a beat **

@beyunce

Hey which are you in the pic on your profile ? I think i am in love with the girl on the left.

I just wannna find out if you girls find guys with tattoos or piercings more or less attractive.

chei e bi like say i dey come ameirca ooo. me i dey lonely as a naija guy here o. i can't even get a oyinbo not to talk of a naija babe

You can either download the nokia developers kit at http://www.forum.nokia.com/main.html or you download the J2ME wireless kit at http://java.sun.com/javame/. These kits have phone emulation software that allows you to test your apps and transfer developed apps to ur phone.

@Shockreaction

Thanks for the links

dakmanzero:
Glad you agree that the world would be a better place, legacy free. And rest assured it will be! Although it is not the most wholesome of methods, the Trusted Computing Initiative will soon make sure of that. I assume the only holdout against this onslaught of DRM and 'managed' programming languages will be FOSS software, and they are focused on portability, which is also an opponent of obsolete legacy systems!

As Richard Stallman said, code should be allowed to die. Standards should be allowed to live. Ignoring these basic rules is what leads to the mess of obsolete, cuddy code mucking up our systems and giving us all a bad name.

Wake up from your dream man ,  u seem to read too much junk and theory,  The real world is not as utopia as u wish it to be.

dakmanzero:
So, in summary, that the legacy languages (in this case it is RPG, the report generator, similar in construction to COBOL and ugly as hell) are relevant is absolutely true. However, the need to replace them with newer, more portable, more open systems is neither LAME nor IMPRACTICAL. And to demonstrate a preference for the legacy-free approach does not demonstrate IGNORANCE.

It was lame and impractical in our own case because the legacy system still does work perfectly even though it was no longer supported . Therefore the cost of a total redevelopment far outweighed simple maintaince that were carried out.

The world would definately be a better place if it was free of legacy code but in reality it definately would never be,  take it or leave it.

dakmanzero:
Emulation is a performance-sucking kludge, and backwards compatibility is a sometimes neccesary evil, but evil nonetheless. Legacy free is good. That is the beauty of PORTABILITY.

My point: just because something is difficult to do doesn't mean that managing a second-rate solution is right.

Nobody is talking about rightousness here. The augument is that these langugues are still relevant to todays busnessis because there are lots of code laying around in this langugues. And i can tell you with a fact that companies pay huge for people that can help them maintain these systems if required.

dakmanzero:
<<snip>> don't even know what a fourth generation language is.

Anyway, it's not just because it was written in a THIRD gen language or whatever.

It is written in a NONPORTABLE language.

Because big companies use crap doesn't make it right.

Ignorance is bliss, educate yourself here http://foldoc.org/?legacy+code

Big companies dont deliberately write code in these languages these days but they still do because they sometimes have to provide backward compatiblity.

dakmanzero:
Lame? impractical?

I suppose it would be impractical and/or lame from a consultants' point of view.

I imagine what you probably meant to say was 'rewriting legacy code would have been too much work- and why do ajayi work, afterall na my faddah own di bank?'

In summary: code lying around in a nonportable language is a bad thing. To rewrite it is neither lame nor impractical, but neccesary. Just say you would rather *you* didn't have to do it.

Majority of furtune 500 companies have legacy code writtin in your so called nonportable langugues driving there business. Even the US defence department and NASA have a lot of code writtin in Fortran, Lisp and smalltalk langugues

Nobody in his right senses would justify rewriting a perfectly working application just because it is writen in a Fourth generation language.

For Mobile development C++ and Java rules. Considering the fact that the Symbian OS is currently available in majority of handsets. An app developed for that platform would surely have a ready market. Check out a list of phones supporting it here http://www.symbian.com/phones/index.html
And if you are looking for a development environment why not try the nokia developers kit at
http://www.forum.nokia.com/main.html

dakmanzero:
Why not just rewrite the legacy code?

I imagine this bridging solution will incure a serious performance hit.

Fortran should not be too difficult to translate to a new language? Its not like COBOL where entire programming concepts will have to be rethought- a fortran program should be quite easy to rewrite in any modern imperative language?

My Final year project depended almost entirely on programming concepts illustrated in fortran, which I implemented in VB. Wasn't hard at all- in fact the code looks so similar.

Writing an application with about 1 million lines of code just because u want to provide new services for some new customers? oh pls, Thats not only lame its just not practical. The Fortran code works perfectly ok and there is no reason whatso ever to attempt a rewrite. The bridge code were just mere API'S to some underlying logic much where called via JNI from the java interface and considering that this code was called by JNI, it performed just as well as a Fortran code and much more faster than a similar java code.

The whole of yahoo was not written in PHP. The core of Yahoo is CGI.some new services provided by yahoo are written in PHP.
Buffer overflows is a thing of the past. That is so C/C++,  please try .Net or Java to know what am talking about. you don't have to controll memory yourself. the VM does that for you so buffer overflows are dead as meat

Web development is only brainless when you are developing a quick and dirty app . it requires more thought and design if you are not.

skima:
PHP can achieve just anything you want to achieve in web development. Though php was developed to enable u develop web ware as fast as possible, that was why the architecture (first release)was not well developed compared to java. But this days we alot of frameworks that have  improved this language. PRADO etc. and d uncoming ZENDFRAMEWORK  am taking a look at this frameworks.

PHP's OOP concept has also being improved,  has u know, most features are from java,  so java is like a brother to PHP,  In the nearer feature i see php be as robust as java.

Yea i get your point but the fact still remains that PHP is a scripting langugue. It does a very good job for web development but that is just about it. You can not use it for mission critical highly transactional  multitreaded applications. I hate the fact that it is not strongly typed but of course its just a scripting langugue so no surprise.

If you just want to write a quick and dirty webapps then learn and use PHP. that is what it is good at. But if you are working on something a liitle bit more serious PHP is not for you.

dakmanzero:
In naija, most people use pirated tools to do their work- or they work for a big company that can afford expensive tools.

As such, the advantages of open source development platforms is lost on most of us.

Also, we don't get sued by people whose closed-source libraries we illegally distribute with our code, even though we use downloaded, cracked versions, so the advantages of having access to free unencumbered open source libraries is lost on us.

Those abroad know that there is a high price to pay for the easy-peasy GUI-driven IDE's, but here they are as free as anything else.

Therefore, prepare to hear people diss PHP and coldfusion and whatever other open dev platform you choose to advocate just because they can install VS dot net for free and do some click-n-drool 'programming'

in short: do not expect to have an informed debate on the subject of programming languages on a site populated by Nigerians like me. In the company where I work, its VS dotnet or die, despite the fact that some of the programmers from recently acquired smaller banks are using open-source tools (and getting great results)

by and large they are being forced to conform to our dotnet mania because

1) we paid good money for it

and

2) click-click, app is ready. The users are used to lightning fast response- proper dev cycles are alien to them.


Personally I'd love to learn PHP, if only to avoid having to use closed source crap whenever we need a thirdparty library, but the time and inclination is just not there.

Nobody is dissing PHP or coldfusion because they are open source. The argument is that PHP has not proved itself to be a programmers langugue. Its more like a Script Kiddie langugue. While i accept the fact that it does a very good job in developing small - medium web apps. i dont see its relavance in high end web apps. The reason been the fact that there is a need to have a proper architecture and seperation of concerns in larger apps.

Ynot:
Yes people/company still use em. You will be surprise to hear that Walmart, Target and most of the big retail stores still use Cobol today. Its one of the requirement for their in-house programmers. If you have the chance/time to learn fortran or cobol, do it. Thing is, be the best (or at least strive to be) in whatever comp language you are using or decide to use.

The reason Walmart and the likes like various banks still use it is becasue of the need to support legacy code that was writtin in the 70's and 80's . I have been involved in a project like that We had a legacy Credit derivatives code written in fortran for an investment bank. They wanted to be able to provide new services for some high profile coustomers via web services. This was not possible to do in Fortran so what we did was that we developed a bridging code in fortran to a new application which was developed in Java . Clients still access the legacy code but through a web service interface developed in Java

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Zahymaka:
There are advantages of both languages. Personally, I'm not happy with the numerous ungrouped functions in PHP. I think it's high time we had namespaces. As for Java, sometimes to do a little thing, you have to write lots and lots of code. I don't use JSP but one of my friends is a pro and that's his opinion.

Everyone is entitled to his choice.

well you are quiet right both, but there are lots of tools in the J2EE space that makes you more productive.

Dude, whats with all the attitude, by the way am not a beginning Web developer . And the fact that PHP is used in majority of websites doesnt make it any better. Its just easy to use for lay men like you, and it sucks in it as well,

Basically i gat a chance to do some PHP stuff recently and i am just not impressed. I mean its so difficult to artitect an app very well and i found myself just hacking away writing code that smells. The OOP is just not powerful enough and i can seem to apply some of my lovely design patterns. This experience makes my appreciate Java which is my primary development language more and more.

However i had a look also at Ruby on rails and my God it ROCKS !!.

the main people using fortran these days are people supporting legacy code.
New developemnt projects are done in the newer languagues