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Rashduct4luv:
Alhamdulillah, the Sahabahs are not Ahmadis so why must I become Ahmadi to make Jannah? The true followers of All Prophets were Muslims simply because they submitted totally to the will of Allah through the Prophet. Ahmadis lack creed!

No one is saying anyone should join something to make jannah. Infact, that's the character of the Christians, as they believe as Allah said in the Quran that "they are the best among all Nations (so anyone who doesn't join them goes to hell), whereas, Allah challenge them to wish for death if they are truthful to be the best"

Such view is a bit shallow. Why was Muhammad pbuh enjoined to do dawah? After all there was no Muslims during the time of Musa a.s or Jesus a.s, why did Muhammad pbuh still preach to Christians?

I'm just trying to get you to reason with others view not without prejudice and clear off sentiment.

Don't condemn others practice, instead, you should either learn about them from a sincere source (not enemy) or mind your business, not telling lies ignorantly because telling lie is a grevious sin.

The Creed of some is not anyone's business

Rashduct4luv:
Alhamdulillah, the Sahabahs are not Ahmadis so why must I become Ahmadi to make Jannah? The true followers of All Prophets were Muslims simply because they submitted totally to the will of Allah through the Prophet. Ahmadis lack creed!

No one is saying anyone should join something to make jannah. Infact, that's the character of the Christians, as they believe as Allah said in the Quran that "they are the best among all Nations (so anyone who doesn't join them goes to hell), whereas, Allah challenge them to wish for death if they are truthful to be the best"

Such view is a bit shallow. Why was Muhammad pbuh enjoined to do dawah? After all there was no Muslims during the time of Musa a.s or Jesus a.s, why did Muhammad pbuh still preach to Christians?

I'm just trying to get you to reason with others view not without prejudice and clear off sentiment.

Don't condemn others practice, instead, you should either learn about them from a sincere source (not enemy) or mind your business, not telling lies ignorantly because telling lie is a grevious sin

[/quote]Brother, I apologise for the incorrect quotation above. It's a mistake while in haste. I'll try to double check before and posting. The network isn't helping as at then. That explains why I have many repost of same information.

Thanks for your understanding

I hope the previous quotations are correct.

Empiree:
Bro, i don't know where you studied while you were growing up. You just got many things wrong. First the ayat of Quran you *(21:96 and 23:100-101)* referenced do not correlate with the subject.

So i am just gonna address the issue of the "death of Jesus" you alleged. Quran does speak about maut(death). Maut is when the soul is taken but is not returned to the body. The same word maut is used in sura 39:42 which describes a "twin" death. This is more appropriate incident that happened to Isa(as) because Allah raised him. He didnt say Isa is dead. So it is crystal clear from the hadith the return of Isa(as) indicates he is not dead yet.

Everything else you said up there is only understood by you. I wont even bother myself over that. If you believe Isa(as) is not coming back with a new shari'ah or new Divine Book, then, his second appearance is not prove of a new prophethood but to unveil the Jews and the christians.



Sir, you got the wrong interpretation. Your old car is no longer new. It is still your first car even if you repaired and painted it and changed the engine, you will tell people it is your oldest car but you took it away to fix it. If you can't' tell people that your old Toyota car is your second car, then, Jesus's first appearance at birth was his right position. You have the wrong interpretation of Khataman nabiyyin. You are trying to bring bogus tawil and create confusion for yourself.

However, this doesn't make you kafir. It is just your misunderstanding. For as long as there is no NEW DIVINE BOOK AFTER QUR'AN, then, there is no prophet after nabi Muhammad. But if you claim there is, kindly show us "divine book" of such. Divine Book of Jesus (Injil) already came. So your claim is voided sir.

If according to your last paragraph, presence of a divine book signifies prophethood, then which was the law of Nuh, Suleiman, Ibrahim and Ismael?

They shouldn't be names a prophet since no book/law to show for it.

Secondly, on the death of Jesus on whom be peace,
before I talk about "Rafa'a", please permit me to mention few law from the Quran.

*Allah says "Qulu nafsi zaiqatul maut"
Meaning:
Each soul that is giving birth to must also die.

However, death (maut) was in used in 2 different scenario in the Quran as you mentioned, vis-a-vis:
*Sleep and *Death.

Unfortunately, the verse you quoted clearly states that "Allah takes a soul at it's appointed time (death), but for those whose time isn't exhausted, he takes it at sleep and return it when it's time to rise (that means sleep is likened to A TEMPORARY DEATH).

**Should we say Isa is in a state of sleep since more than 2000 years ago? (to me it doesn't appeal to common sense).

*** Where is he having this sleep please?

Empiree:
Bro, i don't know where you studied while you were growing up. You just got many things wrong. First the ayat of Quran you *(21:96 and 23:100-101)* referenced do not correlate with the subject.

So i am just gonna address the issue of the "death of Jesus" you alleged. Quran does speak about maut(death). Maut is when the soul is taken but is not returned to the body. The same word maut is used in sura 39:42 which describes a "twin" death. This is more appropriate incident that happened to Isa(as) because Allah raised him. He didnt say Isa is dead. So it is crystal clear from the hadith the return of Isa(as) indicates he is not dead yet.

Everything else you said up there is only understood by you. I wont even bother myself over that. If you believe Isa(as) is not coming back with a new shari'ah or new Divine Book, then, his second appearance is not prove of a new prophethood but to unveil the Jews and the christians.



Sir, you got the wrong interpretation. Your old car is no longer new. It is still your first car even if you repaired and painted it and changed the engine, you will tell people it is your oldest car but you took it away to fix it. If you can't' tell people that your old Toyota car is your second car, then, Jesus's first appearance at birth was his right position. You have the wrong interpretation of Khataman nabiyyin. You are trying to bring bogus tawil and create confusion for yourself.

However, this doesn't make you kafir. It is just your misunderstanding. For as long as there is no NEW DIVINE BOOK AFTER QUR'AN, then, there is no prophet after nabi Muhammad. But if you claim there is, kindly show us "divine book" of such. Divine Book of Jesus (Injil) already came. So your claim is voided sir.

Brother, we have words that translates differently in English language, but Alhamdulillah the Arabic word is the same , which is ; KHATAM‬

Moving on to the word used in the verse, "khaatamo" literally means best, seal while "khatamii" means end, last.. By (asheykh Allama zurqoni).‬

Now let's judge, which did the Qur'an used?

We all see that it's in support of our translation

The holy prophet once called his uncle Abbas (fa innaka khaatamal muhaajireen fil hijrati kamo Ana khaatamun nabiyyeen fin nubuwwati)
Meaning:
You (abbas) are as khatamul muhajireen in hijrah(migration) as I am khatamun nabiyeen in nubuwah(prophethood)..... (kanzul ummal vol.13 page 519)

Also hazrat Ali (RA) was also addressed as khaatamul awliyaai by the prophet,

"(innaka anta yaa 'aliyyu khaatamul awliyaai llahi kamo Ana khaatamul anbiyaai)"
Meaning:
"Surely you O! Ali is the khaatamul awliyaai llah as I am the khaatamul anbiyya."

No doubt, There is a difference among the schools of reciter about the vocalization of the word "KHAATAMO", of the ten authorized schools of reciter all read it as "KHAATIM" except Asim who read it as "khaatam" though dey all believed it could be read either way......

An hadeeth reported by Hazrat Abu Abdurrahmon assalmiyee(ra) clarified and shows that there's a difference between the two, he said (he used to teach hazrat Hassan and Husain(ra), once hazrat Ali bin abi talib(ra) passed nearby him while he was teaching them, so he said "teach them khatamonNabiyyeen with fatha on the Ta... [durri manthur vol.5 page 386]‬

Empiree:
you will only be right if Nabi Isa (as) is coming with a new Shariah. Since he's coming to abide by shariah of Nabi muhammad (s a w), he's not bringing a new Law.



Besides, his mission is limited. He's only returning for clarification Sura nisai 159 i:e to remove the veil from the eyes of Jews and Christians. He's not coming with a new religion or a new Book. Get the point? . That's why your old car is not returning from mechanic to perform the function of a new car. It will forever remain your first and oldest car.

So, since Jesus a.s is to come back to perform same mission as a prophet of Allah (because He's acting under Allah's instructions), the word "KHATAMAN NABIYYIN" is best to be translated as "SEAL / BEST /MOST PERFECT of prophets" not last, because after a last, there can never be another last in any form whatsoever.

Crescentholm:
Jazzakumullahu khairan for the submission you resulted to.

Since I'll only be right if Isa a.s is to return with new law, According to an Hadith, just as Isa a.s is to Musa a.s, same will be t any other acclaimed apostle or the Mahdi on when he arrives. Because Allah has declared that the religion is complete.

So Isa will continue to be a prophet of Allah.

How's Jesus a.s to Moses a.s?
Jesus a.s is just a reformer / Messiah, to remind them teachings of Moses a.s.
Jesus himself testifies to it when he said that " he haven't come to destroy/ abolish the law of Moses a.s neither did he come with a new law, but to perfect the law.

From this verse Allah promises followers of Muhammad 4 ranks of honour and the first and highest is to attain prophethood down to an ordinary righteous Muslim.

Any re appearance of prophethood must be a reflection of the light of Muhammad s.a.w prophethood not an independent one.

Just as the Quran and Bible testifies clearly to the death of Jesus and his return, though in another form or appearance but with the same message as the person he's testifying against, when asked about his 2nd coming, seen below:

But instead of Elijah himself coming, John the Baptist was sent in the spirit of Elijah *(Luke 1:17,Mathew 17:10-13)

Also in support, the Quran makes it clearer that the dead can never return back to this earth *(21:96 and 23:100-101)*

So his re-appearance will remain a prophet as he's mission is to deliver Allah's message.

Let's justly review Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, did he give a claim to any new law or book or theory outside the Quran (which is the basis of shariah)?

If yes, with sincerity and delicate proof, then we can jointly claim he's going against the tenet of Islam


So, since Jesus a.s is to come back to perform same mission as a prophet of Allah (because He's acting under Allah's instructions), the word "KHATAMAN NABIYYIN" is best to be translated as "SEAL / BEST /MOST PERFECT of prophets" not last, because after a last, there can never be another last in any form whatsoever.

So, since Jesus a.s is to come back to perform same mission as a prophet of Allah (because He's acting under Allah's instructions), the word "KHATAMAN NABIYYIN" is best to be translated as "SEAL / BEST /MOST PERFECT of prophets" not last, because after a last, there can never be another last in any form whatsoever.

Empiree:
you will only be right if Nabi Isa (as) is coming with a new Shariah. Since he's coming to abide by shariah of Nabi muhammad (s a w), he's not bringing a new Law.



Besides, his mission is limited. He's only returning for clarification Sura nisai 159 i:e to remove the veil from the eyes of Jews and Christians. He's not coming with a new religion or a new Book. Get the point? . That's why your old car is not returning from mechanic to perform the function of a new car. It will forever remain your first and oldest car.

So, since Jesus a.s is to come back to perform same mission as a prophet of Allah (because He's acting under Allah's instructions), the word "KHATAMAN NABIYYIN" is best to be translated as "SEAL / BEST /MOST PERFECT of prophets" not last, because after a last, there can never be another last in any form whatsoever.

Empiree:
you will only be right if Nabi Isa (as) is coming with a new Shariah. Since he's coming to abide by shariah of Nabi muhammad (s a w), he's not bringing a new Law.



Besides, his mission is limited. He's only returning for clarification Sura nisai 159 i:e to remove the veil from the eyes of Jews and Christians. He's not coming with a new religion or a new Book. Get the point? . That's why your old car is not returning from mechanic to perform the function of a new car. It will forever remain your first and oldest car.

Jazzakumullahu khairan for the submission you resulted to.

Since I'll only be right if Isa a.s is to return with new law, According to an Hadith, just as Isa a.s is to Musa a.s, same will be t any other acclaimed apostle or the Mahdi on when he arrives. Because Allah has declared that the religion is complete.

So Isa will continue to be a prophet of Allah.

How's Jesus a.s to Moses a.s?
Jesus a.s is just a reformer / Messiah, to remind them teachings of Moses a.s.
Jesus himself testifies to it when he said that " he haven't come to destroy/ abolish the law of Moses a.s neither did he come with a new law, but to perfect the law.

From this verse Allah promises followers of Muhammad 4 ranks of honour and the first and highest is to attain prophethood down to an ordinary righteous Muslim.

Any re appearance of prophethood must be a reflection of the light of Muhammad s.a.w prophethood not an independent one.

Just as the Quran and Bible testifies clearly to the death of Jesus and his return, though in another form or appearance but with the same message as the person he's testifying against, when asked about his 2nd coming, seen below:

But instead of Elijah himself coming, John the Baptist was sent in the spirit of Elijah *(Luke 1:17,Mathew 17:10-13)

Also in support, the Quran makes it clearer that the dead can never return back to this earth *(21:96 and 23:100-101)*

So his re-appearance will remain a prophet as he's mission is to deliver Allah's message.

Let's justly review Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, did he give a claim to any new law or book or theory outside the Quran (which is the basis of shariah)?

If yes, with sincerity and delicate proof, then we can jointly claim he's going against the tenet of Islam


So, since Jesus a.s is to come back to perform same mission as a prophet of Allah (because He's acting under Allah's instructions), the word "KHATAMAN NABIYYIN" is best to be translated as "SEAL / BEST /MOST PERFECT of prophets" not last, because after a last, there can never be another last in any form whatsoever.

Empiree:
Allow me to give you analogy. Let's say you bought your first Toyota Camry car in year 2000. That's 17 yr ago. In January 2015, this first car of yours was faulty and you took it to mechanic. It spent months at the mechanic until you bought your second car in December 2015 which is Jeep grand cherokee.

Your first car at the mechanic's repair was completed and you brought it home. Question is, is Toyota second car?

Brother, the fact is if one sees different evidence supporting and as well opposing a claim one goes back to the Quran, because Allah says:

"Obey Him and His messenger, but when you have misunderstanding regarding a matter, refer it back to Allah (Quran)".

That's the wise decision reach

Rashduct4luv:
I don't think I need to argue much with your kind of Kaafir. You are worse that the Christians in that you claimed to be a Muslim while in reality you are not.

You keep misinterpreting texts and bringing verses that suites your aims as an Ahmadi.

So now intention and deeds doesn't matter again? if a Christian says the Kalima and still goes to church, is he now a Muslim?

If a person says the Kalima and believes he doesn't need to pray, fast, pay zakat or go for hajj, disbelieves in predestination etc, is that still a Muslim?

Those Sahabahs you mentioned in the hadiths, are they Ahmadis?

And in Ahmadi books, if you are not an Ahmadi you are a Kaafir. They won't even gibe you their daughter to marry cos a Kaafir can't marry their daughter.

Actually, Ahmadiyyah is a British cult started by Ghulam Ahmad.

A Muslim Always act with Justice and sincerity.

Anyone who makes a claim of shahada and still goes to church, the reward is solely for Allah. If the prophet pbuh could take biat from some people unknowingly, he did it trusting in Allah who sees the heart of man. So Allah that sees the heart revealed to the prophet that this are hypocrites.

Isn't it surprising that some so called scholars who Muslims revered are cought doing occult practices like rituals? Who dare questions the faith of the other?

When scientist postulate a theory, another scientist brings another theory to re-explain or re-analyse, and at times, dismiss the first theory. The pioneer scientist do further research to either bring other proofs to authenticate his theory or bring new theory to buttress the first, not to insult or keep insisting on his previous theory that has become obsolate.

The sahabas are not Ahmadis, and the sahabas before the prophet pbuh were not Muslims. Or do we have muslims during the time of Moses a.s?

The holy prophet pbuh said its either a Muslim speaks beneficially or keep quiet.

Rashduct4luv:
I don't think I need to argue much with your kind of Kaafir. You are worse that the Christians in that you claimed to be a Muslim while in reality you are not.

You keep misinterpreting texts and bringing verses that suites your aims as an Ahmadi.

So now intention and deeds doesn't matter again? if a Christian says the Kalima and still goes to church, is he now a Muslim?

If a person says the Kalima and believes he doesn't need to pray, fast, pay zakat or go for hajj, disbelieves in predestination etc, is that still a Muslim?

Those Sahabahs you mentioned in the hadiths, are they Ahmadis?

And in Ahmadi books, if you are not an Ahmadi you are a Kaafir. They won't even gibe you their daughter to marry cos a Kaafir can't marry their daughter.

Actually, Ahmadiyyah is a British cult started by Ghulam Ahmad.

A Muslim Always act with Justice and sincerity.

When scientist postulate a theory, another scientist brings another theory to re-explain or re-analyse, and at times, dismiss the first theory. The pioneer scientist do further research to either bring other proofs to authenticate his theory or bring new theory to buttress the first, not to insult or keep insisting on his previous theory that has become obsolate.

The sahabas are not Ahmadis, and the sahabas before the prophet pbuh were not Muslims. Or do we have muslims during the time of Moses a.s?

The holy prophet pbuh said its either a Muslim speaks beneficially or keep quiet.

Empiree:
Allow me to give you analogy. Let's say you bought your first Toyota Camry car in year 2000. That's 17 yr ago. In January 2015, this first car of yours was faulty and you took it to mechanic. It spent months at the mechanic until you bought your second car in December 2015 which is Jeep grand cherokee.

Your first car at the mechanic's repair was completed and you brought it home. Question is, is Toyota second car?

Thanks for your analogy and permit me to respond to it.
Alhamdulillah you said the car is still in my possession, when I gained possession of the second.
You claimed He's not on Earth, so that makes his second appearance a new one after the previous.
This is because if I have a car previously, I gave it out, got another, when the person I gave noticed​ my recent car is not in good condition and decided to give it back, it becomes my most recent car not my first.
Muhammad pbuh clearly states in the Quran that Isa a.s re-appearance is nabiyullah (that's as a prophet)
But where did you claim Jesus a.s was when Muhammad pbuh made the claim of Khataman nabiyyin?

Empiree:
Allow me to give you analogy. Let's say you bought your first Toyota Camry car in year 2000. That's 17 yr ago. In January 2015, this first car of yours was faulty and you took it to mechanic. It spent months at the mechanic until you bought your second car in December 2015 which is Jeep grand cherokee.

Your first car at the mechanic's repair was completed and you brought it home. Question is, is Toyota second car?

Thanks for your analogy and permit me to respond to it.

Alhamdulillah you said the car is still in my possession, when I gained possession of the second.


You claimed He's not on Earth, so that makes his second appearance a new one after the previous.

This is because if I have a car previously, I gave it out, got another, when the person I gave noticed​ my recent car is not in good condition and decided to give it back, it becomes my most recent car not my first.


Muhammad pbuh clearly states in the Quran that Isa a.s re-appearance is nabiyullah (that's as a prophet)

But where did you claim Jesus a.s was when Muhammad pbuh made the claim of Khataman nabiyyin?

Ara99:
I will answer the issue of Jesus(pbuh) Insha Allah :
He is a Prophet of Allah and he is coming to fulfill the prophesies of the Rasul regarding him. Mind you he never died and he is not bringing any new Sharia rather he is going to continue on the Shariah of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and the prophesies regarding him. He will also marry and then die the death that was Decreed for him.

will your acclaimed return of Jesus strip him of his title of prophet hood?

Isn't that cancelling your acclaimed last prophet?

Ara99:
with every single thing there are explanations, one does not take a hadith in isolation to interpret or make a judgement especially when they are other hadiths about the same issue. For instance, the hadith you quoted above further buttress our point that there can be only liars and false prophets after the Prophet Muhammad. As for the analogy of the Prophet saying his mosque is the last one what he is saying as has been explained could be the last mosque of pilgrimage (I.e after Al-Haram and Al-Aqsa) further negating the idea of Ahmadis visiting mosque in Qadian. As even during the lifetime of the Rasul masajeed were being built after his own Masjid.

First of all, which Mosque where you told the Ahmad's visit as pilgrimage in Qadian?

That's also part of the Injustice without verification that I quoted from 5:8.

If the first Hadith support your claim, what of the following one reported by Ummul Muminin, Ayesha r.a.

Hazrat Ayesha, Allah be pleased with her, has narrated that, "SAY HE, i.e. THE HOLY PROPHET, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, verily IS THE SEAL OF Prophets BUT SAY NOT THAT THERE IS NO PROPHET AFTER HIM." Hazrat Abu Abdur Rahman Assalmiyye narrates that he used to teach Hazrat Hasan and Husain (Allah be pleased with them). Once Hazrat Ali bin Abu Talib, Allah be pleased with him, passed nearby him while he was teaching them, so he said to him, 'Teach them KhatamanNabiyyeen with voval a: on Ta. (Durr e Manthoor Vol. 5, Page 386)

Maybe an analysis (tafsir) of notable and respected scholars of faith who are not Ahmadiyya will suffice and hopefully you review your grands Kufr as Muhammad pbuh was reported to have said anyone who declares the other as kafir ignorantly will assume that position in the presence of Allah.

“The word KHATAM refers to a seal which is stamped on clay or paper”. The explanation of Imam Raghib further supports Ahmadi Muslims. Imam Raghib states
lingustic usage of the word Al-Khatmu and At-Tab’u is two fold. Firstly the words Khatamtu and Taba’tu are used in the infinitive form of the verb, i.e., to produce the affect of something, for example to imprint the image of a seal or ring. Secondly, the emblem which is left behind by the impression of a seal. If we are to presume a meaning of “hindrance” which is produced in the context of placing a seal upon doors or letters, sometimes it is used to firmly bind or prevent something (as a secondary meaning); as Allah states, Khatamallahu ala Qalubihim and khatama ‘ala sam’ihi wa qalbihi. Then, as an impression the word is used in the context of producing the affect of something. And sometimes the meaning of “reaching the end” is also inferred by this word, as it is said Khatamul Qur’an i.e I have reached the end of it” (Mufridatul Qur’an, By Imam Raghib, under the root of Khatama)

Imam Raghib also states in regards to this ayah “Because he brought an end to law-bearing prophethood, i.e with his coming he completed it” The proof which shows Imam Raghib meant law bearing prophethood is because he used the words al-nubuwwah with the definite article which signifies a specific type.

Imam Raghib further states “He completed prophethood with his advent”.
It is true that other Qirat have used the word Khatim but these are all subordinate to the Qirat of the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw. If we take the literal meaning of the other Qirat it would suggest that the Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw brought all the prophets to an end and no prophets can appear after him. This itself would not make sense as the Holy Prophet.


* This was further expatiated by Hazrat Sayyad Abdul Karim Jilani, where he wrote that:-
'The coming of the Law-bearing prophets, after the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, has ceased as HE HAS BEEN EXALTED to be the 'Khataman Nabiyyeen.' (Al Insan ul Kamil Page 115).

* Hazrat Imam Mohyuddin Ibne Arbi Has Written: The Prophethood that terminated with the person of the Prophet of Allah, peace be on him and His blessings, was no other than the law-bearing prophethood not prophethood itself and this is the meaning of his 'Verily apostleship and prophethood ceased with me Therefore there shall be after me neither an apostle nor a prophet i.e. there shall not be after me a prophet with a law other than mine but that he shall be subject to my law." (AlFatuhat ulMakiyya vol 2 page 3)

* Hazrat Imam Abdul Wahab Sha'rani says:- "Let it be known that the order of prophethood has not totaly ceased; it is the law - bearing prophethood which has discontinued." Then while explaining the Hadith LA NABIYYA BA'DI and LAA RASOOLA BA'DI expounded that THERE SHALL BE NO LAW-BEARING PROPHET after him. (Alyawaqit Wal Jewahir Vol.2, Page:39)

* Furthermore, Allama Abul Fadhl Shihabuddin ASSAYYAD Mahmud says in his commentary on the Holy Quran:- the tradition, that there is no revelation after me is absurd. The notion that Gabrael will not descend to the earth after the demise of the Holy Prophet, peace and blesssings of Allah be upon him, has no foundation at all ..... Most probably what is meant by the negation of revelation regarding Isa, peace be on him, after his descent is the revelation of the Law, but what has been described, is the revelation without the Law. (Rooh ulmaani Vol 21, Page 41

®Another visible evidence was when the son of the prophet(pbuh), Hazhrat Ibrahim, died;

®Hazrat Ibn Abbas, Allah be pleased with him, relates, that when Ibrahim, the son of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, died, he prayed and said: Verily, he has a wetnurse in Paradise, and HAD HE LIVED, HE WOULD HAVE CERTAINLY BEEN A RIGHTEOUS PROPHET. (Sunan Ibn e Majah, Vol: 1, Page:474).

Rashduct4luv:
This guy is really ignorant. Why in the world are you quoting me 5times?

1. Muhammad is the final and last messenger of Allah. No Prophet/Messenger comes after him. Anyone who believes otherwise is simply in to Kufr.

2. Ghulam Ahmad is nothing but an impostor, a liar and a giant Kafir.

3. Jesus was a messenger who never died and will still come when the end of time is near. We still expect the Mahdi too.

4. The believe that messengers will keep coming till the end of time is faulty and an inappropriate interpretation of the Qur'an.

5. If you are an Ahmadi you are toying with kufr as the Qur'an is for ever and Ghulam Ahmad lies on his receiving revelation from Allah in English.

It's nice to hear that Jesus never died and is still to come. Whereas, no prophet after Muhammad pbuh. Isn't that contradictory?
**So according to you, you're also in Kufr to believe Jesus is coming back.

Jesus a.s was a prophet before your acclaimed assention, so won't he return as a prophet after Muhammad pbuh?

Though no where in the Quran is it stated that Jesus is alive anywhere because Allah is everywhere as proven below:

• An Hadith says... اذا توضع العبد رفعه الله الي السماء سابعه.... When a servant humbles himself Allah raises him to the seventh heaven... This Hadith is a clear reference that when Allah uses the word رفع then it can only mean a spiritual ascension and not a physical one.

• Allah says if we're 2,He'll be the third, and if we're 3,He'll be the fourth
**That means Allah is everywhere

Rashduct4luv:
This guy is really ignorant. Why in the world are you quoting me 5times?

1. Muhammad is the final and last messenger of Allah. No Prophet/Messenger comes after him. Anyone who believes otherwise is simply in to Kufr.

2. Ghulam Ahmad is nothing but an impostor, a liar and a giant Kafir.

3. Jesus was a messenger who never died and will still come when the end of time is near. We still expect the Mahdi too.

4. The believe that messengers will keep coming till the end of time is faulty and an inappropriate interpretation of the Qur'an.

5. If you are an Ahmadi you are toying with kufr as the Qur'an is for ever and Ghulam Ahmad lies on his receiving revelation from Allah in English.

If you seems to be too special to be quoted, try not to be the cause of discussion/disorderliness as that's not the character (arrogance) of a sincere Muslim.

Rashduct4luv:
This guy is really ignorant. Why in the world are you quoting me 5times?

1. Muhammad is the final and last messenger of Allah. No Prophet/Messenger comes after him. Anyone who believes otherwise is simply in to Kufr.

2. Ghulam Ahmad is nothing but an impostor, a liar and a giant Kafir.

3. Jesus was a messenger who never died and will still come when the end of time is near. We still expect the Mahdi too.

4. The believe that messengers will keep coming till the end of time is faulty and an inappropriate interpretation of the Qur'an.

5. If you are an Ahmadi you are toying with kufr as the Qur'an is for ever and Ghulam Ahmad lies on his receiving revelation from Allah in English.

Seems you're a bit perplexed by your assertions because
they're baseless, if not, you should concentrate on buttressing your assertions with proofs from Quran and Hadith. After all, I try correcting you from Quran and Hadith. I never quoted from any of Ghulam Ahmad's book.

WHAT IS IGNORANCE?
Its knowing the truth and shying away from it knowingly.

If you claim you obey Allah and His messenger pbuh, you should try not to deviate from His teachings, as He says, hatred should never be a barrier for you to act injustly as read below:

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 8:
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا قَوَّامِينَ لِلَّهِ شُهَدَاءَ بِالْقِسْطِ وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ عَلَىٰ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا اعْدِلُوا هُوَ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَىٰ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ

O you WHO BELIEVE! BE UPRIGHT FOR ALLAH, BEARERS OF WITNESS WITH JUSTICE, and LET NOT HATRED OF A PEOPLE INCITE YOU NOT TO ACT EQUITABLY; ACT EQUITABLY, THAT IS NEARER TO PIETY, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Aware of what you do.
(English - Shakir)


I only gave you my submissions and reasons why as a Muslim, we should never be unjust because our mallam liked to us and it's hard to admit he lied or because our mallam hates some people. Let's remember this mallams are neither Allah nor His messenger. As long as Allah says or Muhammad pbuh says, no any mallams view is reasonable except it follows what Allah or Muhammad pbuh says.

IMPOSTOR:
An impostor is anyone who deceives. An example in history of Islam is the likes of Musailima. He's no doubt an impostor because he tried making a deal with the prophet pbuh during his life time because of his selfish needs. After his (pbuh) death, the khaliphs condemn him because the prophet condemn him based on the fact that Musailima was after worldly gains (wealth and leadership), but a true prophet is after spiritual gains, never after the world.

An example is when the prophet pbuh sent sent Muslims to abysinia (to the Christian ruler) during the first years of persecution in Mecca, the Ruler asked the meccan representative who came for the muslims to be sent back to mecca, about Muhammad pbuh. Is he from a royal home, etc to know if he's a genuine prophet as previous Isrealite prophet never seek after worldly gains.

Furthermore, Allah has already promised in Quran Surah Al-Haaqqa, Verse 44-47;

“AND IF HE (THE MESSENGER) HAD FORGED a false saying (claiming to be a Messenger from Allah) concerning Us, WE SURELY SHOULD HAVE SEIZED HIM by his right hand (or with power and might), And then certainly should HAVE CUT OFF HIS LIFE ARTERY (Aorta), And NONE OF YOU COULD WITHHOLD US FROM (PUNISHING) HIM.”

The above was the case of Musailima and his likes, for telling lie against Allah. If that of Ghulam Ahmad we're to be a lie, HAVE ALLAH FORGOTTEN HIS PROMISE TO SAVE HIS RELIGION AND DEAL WITH IMPOSTORS HIMSELF?

Ghulam Ahmad and his jamaat still exist and flourish till the present, if not by the grace of Allah, it's by whose grace did Ghulam Ahmad made a promise in the name of Allah that Allah promised him that he will spread the message of Islam to all corners of the earth through him? And with the look of things, the progress of Ahmadiyya is immeasurable (is it their digital TV station (mta), or their widespread literature's for defense of Islam and contemporary world or their various translations of the holy Quran to close to 100 languages of the world if not more. And no right thinking person will call such progress and success as that of an impostor for close to 2centuries.

What is the contribution of we so called sunni's to Islam rather than giving Islam a Terrific name in the world?

why was the great mufti menk banned from some countries? because of his hate speech to non muslims, despite being a follower of Muhammad pbuh (RAHMATAN LIL AALAMIN).

Let's wake up and stop wasting unnecessary time on baseless criticism. Muslims need spiritual rejuvenation and this can only be achieved by following strictly the teachings of Muhammad pbuh, loving each others and brethern not creating discord within.

Ara99:
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Alhamdulillah, the verses you quoted were talking of Believers or Muslims; meaning a category of people who have defined characteristics first before other things.
As for evidence of there being no prophet after Muhammad (SAW).
In the Qur'an, Suratul Ahzab Vs 40, Allah says'... for he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the Prophets'
As for hadith, Sahih Bukhari volume 4, book 56, The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said, '.....the Israelites used to be ruled and guided by prophets; whenever a prophet died another will take his place. There will be no Prophet after me, but Caliphs who will increase in number...... '
Other evidences include the consensus of the Prophet and his Companions regarding the apostacy of the musaylimah of yamamah and al-ansi of Yemen and their followers.
Also the consensus of the Ulema both past and present regarding such believes. Mind you, the Ulema are the inheritors of the Prophets.

WHO IS A MUSLIM ACCORDING TO THE PROPHET PBUH?
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Narrated `Abdullah:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed

Sahih al-Bukhari 6878


2. It is narrated on the authority of Miqdad b. Aswad that he said. Messenger of Allah, you just see (here is a point):

If I encountered a person amongst the infidels (in the battlefield) and he attacked me and struck me and cut off one of my hands with the sword. Then he (in order to protect himself from me) took shelter of a tree and said: I become Muslim for Allah's sake. Messenger of Allah, can I kill him after he had uttered this? The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Do not kill him. I (the narrator) said: Messenger of Allah, he cut off my hand and uttered this after amputating it; should I then kill him? The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Don't kill him, for If you kill him, verily he would be in a position where you had been before killing him (i.e a Muslim) and verily you would be in a position where he had been before uttering (kalima).
(kafir).

Sahih Muslim 95

The two aforementioned clearly stated that anyone who alters the kalima, whether he prays regularly, or fast or does other religious right as expected is a Muslim. The reward and judgement of his /her practices lies with Allah alone as He is the only one that knows the sincere heart.

Ara99:
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Alhamdulillah, the verses you quoted were talking of Believers or Muslims; meaning a category of people who have defined characteristics first before other things.
As for evidence of there being no prophet after Muhammad (SAW).
In the Qur'an, Suratul Ahzab Vs 40, Allah says'... for he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the Prophets'
As for hadith, Sahih Bukhari volume 4, book 56, The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said, '.....the Israelites used to be ruled and guided by prophets; whenever a prophet died another will take his place. There will be no Prophet after me, but Caliphs who will increase in number...... '
Other evidences include the consensus of the Prophet and his Companions regarding the apostacy of the musaylimah of yamamah and al-ansi of Yemen and their followers.
Also the consensus of the Ulema both past and present regarding such believes. Mind you, the Ulema are the inheritors of the Prophets.

Hadith

حَدَّثَنِي إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ مَنْصُورٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عِيسَى بْنُ الْمُنْذِرِ الْحِمْصِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ، حَرْبٍ حَدَّثَنَا الزُّبَيْدِيُّ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، عَنْ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، وَأَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ الأَغَرِّ، مَوْلَى الْجُهَنِيِّينَ - وَكَانَ مِنْ أَصْحَابِ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ - أَنَّهُمَا سَمِعَا أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ يَقُولُ صَلاَةٌ فِي مَسْجِدِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَفْضَلُ مِنْ أَلْفِ صَلاَةٍ فِيمَا سِوَاهُ مِنَ الْمَسَاجِدِ إِلاَّ الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ فَإِنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم آخِرُ الأَنْبِيَاءِ وَإِنَّ مَسْجِدَهُ آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو سَلَمَةَ وَأَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ لَمْ نَشُكَّ أَنَّ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ كَانَ يَقُولُ عَنْ حَدِيثِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَمَنَعَنَا ذَلِكَ أَنْ نَسْتَثْبِتَ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ عَنْ ذَلِكَ الْحَدِيثِ حَتَّى إِذَا تُوُفِّيَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ تَذَاكَرْنَا ذَلِكَ وَتَلاَوَمْنَا أَنْ لاَ نَكُونَ كَلَّمْنَا أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ فِي ذَلِكَ حَتَّى يُسْنِدَهُ إِلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم إِنْ كَانَ سَمِعَهُ مِنْهُ فَبَيْنَا نَحْنُ عَلَى ذَلِكَ جَالَسَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ بْنِ قَارِظٍ فَذَكَرْنَا ذَلِكَ الْحَدِيثَ وَالَّذِي فَرَّطْنَا فِيهِ مِنْ نَصِّ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ عَنْهُ فَقَالَ لَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ أَشْهَدُ أَنِّي سَمِعْتُ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ يَقُولُ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

‏ فَإِنِّي آخِرُ الأَنْبِيَاءِ وَإِنَّ مَسْجِدِي آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ ‏"

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Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported:

Prayer in the mosque of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) is more excellent than a thousand prayers in other mosques except the Masjid al-Haram, for ALLAH'S MESSENGER (ﷺ) IS THE LAST OF THE APOSTLES, and HIS MOSQUE IS THE LAST OF THE MOSQUES.


Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) say that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: I AM THE LAST OF THE APOSTLES AND MY MOSQUE is THE LAST OF THE MOSQUES.

Sahih Muslim 1394
Book 15, Hadith 580

This Hadith clearly points to the fact that Khataman nabiyyin, as used in the verse in the Quran is an analogy for being a seal or the best in terms of ranks. If not, since Muhammad's pbuh Mosque is the last of Mosque, why are Mosque built after his pbuh Denise and we're still building Mosques?

Rashduct4luv:
Ahmadiyyah or Qadianiyah is a non-Muslim sect. The Qur'an called Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa Salam the seal of Prophets but they interpreted it to be ring of Prophets. This is to pave way for a false prophet in Ghulam Ahmad.

Have you read the book "Jesus in India" by Ghulam Ahmad?

He claimed Jesus died in India just to make us believe that Jesus is dead and no more coming as claimed in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah from the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa Salam.

He claimed he received inspiration from Allah, inspiration in English? This are simply fabrications. How can there be another inspired book after the Qur'an for the Muslims? is the Qur'an not complete and forever?

Prophet salallahu alayhi wa Salam fought Jihad and taught his followers the concept of Jihad. How can Ghulam negate Prophet Muhammad's legacy to only Jihad of the pen?

Ghulam Ahmad died of cholera in a toilet and Prophets are to be buried where they died. I guess Allah have him what suites him as he claim prophethood.

Ahmadis have their mosques where they pray in and are usually advised not to pray in others or not to pray behind non-ahmadis.


In conclusion, Ahmadiyyah Jama'ah is a non-muslim sect claiming to be Muslims. I once related with one Ahmadi and he was ignorant of all these above points and more.
When the Aqeedah of a Muslim is faulty the whole part of that Muslim is faulty!

WHEN THE AQEEDAH OF A MUSLIM IS FAULTY, THEN IS FAITH IS NOT PERFECT BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE THE PERSON A NON-MUSLIM.

Because Allah says "only He knows the sincere & true believers. He never gave the credit or permission to the prophet pbuh (despite naming Muhammad pbuh as the best of mankind), to label or condemn others faith.

Many a times, believers go to pledge allegiance (biat) with the prophet pbuh, but as soon as they left, Allah reveals to Muhammad pbuh that these are hypocrite.

Rashduct4luv:
Ahmadiyyah or Qadianiyah is a non-Muslim sect. The Qur'an called Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa Salam the seal of Prophets but they interpreted it to be ring of Prophets. This is to pave way for a false prophet in Ghulam Ahmad.

Have you read the book "Jesus in India" by Ghulam Ahmad?

He claimed Jesus died in India just to make us believe that Jesus is dead and no more coming as claimed in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah from the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa Salam.

He claimed he received inspiration from Allah, inspiration in English? This are simply fabrications. How can there be another inspired book after the Qur'an for the Muslims? is the Qur'an not complete and forever?

Prophet salallahu alayhi wa Salam fought Jihad and taught his followers the concept of Jihad. How can Ghulam negate Prophet Muhammad's legacy to only Jihad of the pen?

Ghulam Ahmad died of cholera in a toilet and Prophets are to be buried where they died. I guess Allah have him what suites him as he claim prophethood.

Ahmadis have their mosques where they pray in and are usually advised not to pray in others or not to pray behind non-ahmadis.


In conclusion, Ahmadiyyah Jama'ah is a non-muslim sect claiming to be Muslims. I once related with one Ahmadi and he was ignorant of all these above points and more.
When the Aqeedah of a Muslim is faulty the whole part of that Muslim is faulty!

WHEN THE AQEEDAH OF A MUSLIM IS FAULTY, THEN IS FAITH IS NOT PERFECT BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE THE PERSON A NON-MUSLIM.
Because Allah says "only He knows the sincere & true believers. He never gave the credit or permission to the prophet pbuh (despite naming Muhammad pbuh as the best of mankind), to label or condemn others faith.
Many a times, believers go to pledge allegiance (biat) with the prophet pbuh, but as soon as they left, Allah reveals to Muhammad pbuh that these are hypocrite.

Crescentholm:
INSPIRATION:

Please did Jesus a.s or Moses a.s or Solomon a.s received their inspiration in Arabic?

It's sensible to believe that Messengers receive revelation according to their language as that's the only way such message could be delivered clearly to their people.

As regards receiving inspiration, in my Islamic studies class, in junior secondary School, I learnt revelation is in 3 kinds, as taught by Muhammad pbuh, which are:
Wahy (dream)
Rukyah (light flash) &
Through the arch angel (Jubril).

And our Lord (Allah) is all hearing, all knowing, (among other beautiful attributes of His). Are we trying to say the Allah that speaks in the past is now dumb, or the Allah that hears before is now deaf? (auzubillah). Allah is always speaking and will continue to speak to His true servants as quoted in the verse above

...promised to those of you who believe and do good that He will most certainly make them rulers (Khalifa) in the earth as He made rulers those before them, and that He will most certainly establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them (Islam).

How will Allah appoint a leader without guidance through revelation to him?
Moreover, the 2nd Isa a.s coming, should be with Revelation, likewise the Mahdi.

WE OURSELVES CAN'T CLAIM IGNORANT OF REVELATIONS AS WE HAVE DREAMS THAT COME TO PASS THE EXACT WAY AS WE HAD IT. (dream is also part of the kind of revelation that Muhammad pbuh told us of).

JIHAD:
JIHAD is from the Arabic word Ja-ha-da, which means to "Strive". Of all the Mays of Muhammad pbuh and the Muslims of that time strived for Islam, fighting is the least. Little wonder, Muhammad pbuh never started any war, he only fought to defend is right, and he clearly warns Muslims against oppression as Allah assists the oppressors whether Muslims or non-muslim. The name Muslim terrorist labelled on erring Muslims of this generation isn't it in the name of muslims oppressing others? Whereas Muhammad pbuh was described as "RAHMATAN LIL AALAMIN" (i.e mercy for Mankind). Where is the mercy in warfare? or what is holy about war? Islam clearly forbids shedding of life's, except for distinct reasons. So any JIHAD that tells a sensible person to draw his sword against a person defaming the person on newspaper or media is nothing but oppression.

Allah clearly says permission is given to you to "FIGHT THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU..." not just kill every non Muslim.

If because Ahmadiyyah is not oppressing or supporting killing others (as Jihad) can make us label them non Muslim, then, we are as well labelling or calling Abdullah bn Umar r.a a non Muslim because in sahih bukhari, kitabul Jihad, he was asked about not fighting as the prophet pbuh and his father Umar r.a did during their time. He responded that the Prophet pbuh and his father Umar r.a fought the oppressors that didn't allow the Muslims practice their faith in ease.

Are we Muslims facing such oppression in this present time?

DEATH:
As regards death, which verse of the Quran or Hadith that says a prophet must be buried where he dies?

Secondly, can you tell me where prophet Ilyas, David, Solomon, Jesus a.s where buried?

Thirdly, how does death in a toilet signifies a person is an impostor?

I once read a book that says one of the respected prophets body was mutilated. Does that means the prophet was an impostor?

The Holy prophet pbuh died not quite (around a year or thereabouts after he ate a poisoned meat gifted to him by a jewish lady. Does that means he (pbuh) is also an impostor for not knowing it's a poisoned meat or for dying not quite long after (auzubillah)?

Remember I once quoted a verse from the Quran 5:8 that says:
".. AND LET NOT SOME PEOPLES HATRED PUSH YOU TO ACT UNJUST TOWARDS THEM..."

According to the British law, which was the colonial masters of India, where the said Ghulam Ahmad lived, anyone who dies of a disease is not to be transported beyond a state for burial, instead, the person is quarantined and at times incriminated. Ghulam Ahmad died outside his home town, which is Qadian, when he was on a tour for a debate against a Christian cleric (that are dominant in India as at then because it's the religion of the British). He never died in the toilet, he was at a old age of more than 70. Despite his old age and inconvenience, he went for the debate. Almost after the debate, he was exhausted and retire to his quarters, where he breath his last.

His body was transported back to Qadian and buried in Qadian which shouldn't have been if he died of a disease.

I don't think I HAVE ANYTHING TO GAIN IN BEING UNJUST OR HATING ANYONE AS THAT IS STRONGLY AGAINST THE TEACHING OF ISLAM.

Rashduct4luv:
Ahmadiyyah or Qadianiyah is a non-Muslim sect. The Qur'an called Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa Salam the seal of Prophets but they interpreted it to be ring of Prophets. This is to pave way for a false prophet in Ghulam Ahmad.

Have you read the book "Jesus in India" by Ghulam Ahmad?

He claimed Jesus died in India just to make us believe that Jesus is dead and no more coming as claimed in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah from the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa Salam.

He claimed he received inspiration from Allah, inspiration in English? This are simply fabrications. How can there be another inspired book after the Qur'an for the Muslims? is the Qur'an not complete and forever?

Prophet salallahu alayhi wa Salam fought Jihad and taught his followers the concept of Jihad. How can Ghulam negate Prophet Muhammad's legacy to only Jihad of the pen?

Ghulam Ahmad died of cholera in a toilet and Prophets are to be buried where they died. I guess Allah have him what suites him as he claim prophethood.

Ahmadis have their mosques where they pray in and are usually advised not to pray in others or not to pray behind non-ahmadis.


In conclusion, Ahmadiyyah Jama'ah is a non-muslim sect claiming to be Muslims. I once related with one Ahmadi and he was ignorant of all these above points and more.
When the Aqeedah of a Muslim is faulty the whole part of that Muslim is faulty!

INSPIRATION:

Please did Jesus a.s or Moses a.s or Solomon a.s received their inspiration in Arabic?

It's sensible to believe that Messengers receive revelation according to their language as that's the only way such message could be delivered clearly to their people.

As regards receiving inspiration, in my Islamic studies class, in junior secondary School, I learnt revelation is in 3 kinds, as taught by Muhammad pbuh, which are:
Wahy (dream)
Rukyah (light flash) &
Through the arch angel (Jubril).

Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مَسْلَمَةَ، عَنْ مَالِكٍ، عَنْ إِسْحَاقَ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ أَبِي طَلْحَةَ، عَنْ أَنَسِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏

‏ الرُّؤْيَا الْحَسَنَةُ مِنَ الرَّجُلِ الصَّالِحِ جُزْءٌ مِنْ سِتَّةٍ وَأَرْبَعِينَ جُزْءًا مِنَ النُّبُوَّةِ ‏"

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Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "A good dream (that comes true) of a righteous man is one of forty-six parts of prophetism."

Sahih al-Bukhari 6983

And our Lord (Allah) is all hearing, all knowing, (among other beautiful attributes of His). Are we trying to say the Allah that speaks in the past is now dumb, or the Allah that hears before is now deaf? (auzubillah). Allah is always speaking and will continue to speak to His true servants as quoted in the verse above

...promised to those of you who believe and do good that He will most certainly make them rulers (Khalifa) in the earth as He made rulers those before them, and that He will most certainly establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them (Islam).

How will Allah appoint a leader without guidance through revelation to him?
Moreover, the 2nd Isa a.s coming, should be with Revelation, likewise the Mahdi.

WE OURSELVES CAN'T CLAIM IGNORANT OF REVELATIONS AS WE HAVE DREAMS THAT COME TO PASS THE EXACT WAY AS WE HAD IT. (dream is also part of the kind of revelation that Muhammad pbuh told us of .. "A good dream (that comes true) of a righteous man is one of forty-six parts of prophetism."

JIHAD:
JIHAD is from the Arabic word Ja-ha-da, which means to "Strive". Of all the Mays of Muhammad pbuh and the Muslims of that time strived for Islam, fighting is the least. Little wonder, Muhammad pbuh never started any war, he only fought to defend is right, and he clearly warns Muslims against oppression as Allah assists the oppressors whether Muslims or non-muslim. The name Muslim terrorist labelled on erring Muslims of this generation isn't it in the name of muslims oppressing others? Whereas Muhammad pbuh was described as "RAHMATAN LIL AALAMIN" (i.e mercy for Mankind). Where is the mercy in warfare? or what is holy about war? Islam clearly forbids shedding of life's, except for distinct reasons. So any JIHAD that tells a sensible person to draw his sword against a person defaming the person on newspaper or media is nothing but oppression.

Allah clearly says permission is given to you to "FIGHT THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU..." not just kill every non Muslim.

If because Ahmadiyyah is not oppressing or supporting killing others (as Jihad) can make us label them non Muslim, then, we are as well labelling or calling Abdullah bn Umar r.a a non Muslim because in sahih bukhari, kitabul Jihad, he was asked about not fighting as the prophet pbuh and his father Umar r.a did during their time. He responded that the Prophet pbuh and his father Umar r.a fought the oppressors that didn't allow the Muslims practice their faith in ease.

Are we Muslims facing such oppression in this present time?

Rashduct4luv:
Ahmadiyyah or Qadianiyah is a non-Muslim sect. The Qur'an called Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa Salam the seal of Prophets but they interpreted it to be ring of Prophets. This is to pave way for a false prophet in Ghulam Ahmad.

Have you read the book "Jesus in India" by Ghulam Ahmad?

He claimed Jesus died in India just to make us believe that Jesus is dead and no more coming as claimed in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah from the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa Salam.

He claimed he received inspiration from Allah, inspiration in English? This are simply fabrications. How can there be another inspired book after the Qur'an for the Muslims? is the Qur'an not complete and forever?

Prophet salallahu alayhi wa Salam fought Jihad and taught his followers the concept of Jihad. How can Ghulam negate Prophet Muhammad's legacy to only Jihad of the pen?

Ghulam Ahmad died of cholera in a toilet and Prophets are to be buried where they died. I guess Allah have him what suites him as he claim prophethood.

Ahmadis have their mosques where they pray in and are usually advised not to pray in others or not to pray behind non-ahmadis.


In conclusion, Ahmadiyyah Jama'ah is a non-muslim sect claiming to be Muslims. I once related with one Ahmadi and he was ignorant of all these above points and more.
When the Aqeedah of a Muslim is faulty the whole part of that Muslim is faulty!

KHATAMAN NABIYYIN:

In response to the above, I think Understanding Khataman nabiyyin as no prophet comes after Muhammad pbuh, is against the teaching of the Quran and contradicts it clearly. Because Allah clearly states in Surah Al-Araf, Verse 35:
يَا بَنِي آدَمَ إِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُمْ رُسُلٌ مِّنكُمْ يَقُصُّونَ عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِي فَمَنِ اتَّقَىٰ وَأَصْلَحَ فَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you messengers from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.
(English - Yusuf Ali)

The verse says "whenever" which does not give a specific time limit. It clearly indicates Messengers are expected till the end of time, as this includes the second coming of Issa a.s (after Muhammad pbuh).

Also, Surah An-Noor, Verse 55:
وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنكُمْ وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ لَيَسْتَخْلِفَنَّهُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ كَمَا اسْتَخْلَفَ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِمْ وَلَيُمَكِّنَنَّ لَهُمْ دِينَهُمُ الَّذِي ارْتَضَىٰ لَهُمْ وَلَيُبَدِّلَنَّهُم مِّن بَعْدِ خَوْفِهِمْ أَمْنًا يَعْبُدُونَنِي لَا يُشْرِكُونَ بِي شَيْئًا وَمَن كَفَرَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ

Allah has promised to those of you who believe and do good that He will most certainly make them rulers (Khalifa) in the earth as He made rulers those before them, and that He will most certainly establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them, and that He will most certainly, after their fear, give them security in exchange; they shall serve Me, not associating aught with Me; and whoever is ungrateful after this, these it is who are the. transgressors.
(English - Shakir)

The Khalifa above or ruler as used have been used for some prophets in the Quran. Have Allah s.w.t forget His promise to the believers?

The Quran also, in *4:69* says

"And whoso obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) of His, shall be among those on whom Allah bestows His blessings, namely the Prophets, the truthful, the Martyrs and the righteous..."

From this verse Allah promises followers of Muhammad 4 ranks of honour and the first and highest is to attain prophethood down to an ordinary righteous Muslim.

Furthermore, suratul jummah, 62:3 and 4, Allah said:

"..He raised Messenger among the unlettered people (Arab), to recite the signs to then and teach them wisdom... then He will also raise among the people yet to come... (wa akharina minhum)"

In tafsir At-tabari, Muhammad pbuh was asked who are those yet to come as Allah revealed in the verse? The prophet pbuh place his hands on Salman Farsi (the person) and responded, if faith leave to a very high place (forgotten in the earth), a man from Salman's descent will return it to the earth. That's a messenger will emerge from Salman's descent to restore the lost faith as Isa a.s was sent to restore the lost faith of the Jews brought by Musa a.s.

Rashduct4luv:
Ahmadiyyah or Qadianiyah is a non-Muslim sect. The Qur'an called Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa Salam the seal of Prophets but they interpreted it to be ring of Prophets. This is to pave way for a false prophet in Ghulam Ahmad.

Have you read the book "Jesus in India" by Ghulam Ahmad?

He claimed Jesus died in India just to make us believe that Jesus is dead and no more coming as claimed in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah from the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa Salam.

He claimed he received inspiration from Allah, inspiration in English? This are simply fabrications. How can there be another inspired book after the Qur'an for the Muslims? is the Qur'an not complete and forever?

Prophet salallahu alayhi wa Salam fought Jihad and taught his followers the concept of Jihad. How can Ghulam negate Prophet Muhammad's legacy to only Jihad of the pen?

Ghulam Ahmad died of cholera in a toilet and Prophets are to be buried where they died. I guess Allah have him what suites him as he claim prophethood.

Ahmadis have their mosques where they pray in and are usually advised not to pray in others or not to pray behind non-ahmadis.


In conclusion, Ahmadiyyah Jama'ah is a non-muslim sect claiming to be Muslims. I once related with one Ahmadi and he was ignorant of all these above points and more.
When the Aqeedah of a Muslim is faulty the whole part of that Muslim is faulty!

KHATAMAN NABIYYIN:

In response to the above, I think Understanding Khataman nabiyyin as no prophet comes after Muhammad pbuh, is against the teaching of the Quran and contradicts it clearly. Because Allah clearly states in Surah Al-Araf, Verse 35:
يَا بَنِي آدَمَ إِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُمْ رُسُلٌ مِّنكُمْ يَقُصُّونَ عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِي فَمَنِ اتَّقَىٰ وَأَصْلَحَ فَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you messengers from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.
(English - Yusuf Ali)

The verse says "whenever" which does not give a specific time limit. It clearly indicates Messengers are expected till the end of time, as this includes the second coming of Issa a.s (after Muhammad pbuh).

Also, Surah An-Noor, Verse 55:
وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنكُمْ وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ لَيَسْتَخْلِفَنَّهُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ كَمَا اسْتَخْلَفَ الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِمْ وَلَيُمَكِّنَنَّ لَهُمْ دِينَهُمُ الَّذِي ارْتَضَىٰ لَهُمْ وَلَيُبَدِّلَنَّهُم مِّن بَعْدِ خَوْفِهِمْ أَمْنًا يَعْبُدُونَنِي لَا يُشْرِكُونَ بِي شَيْئًا وَمَن كَفَرَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ

Allah has promised to those of you who believe and do good that He will most certainly make them rulers (Khalifa) in the earth as He made rulers those before them, and that He will most certainly establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them, and that He will most certainly, after their fear, give them security in exchange; they shall serve Me, not associating aught with Me; and whoever is ungrateful after this, these it is who are the. transgressors.
(English - Shakir)

The Khalifa above or ruler as used have been used for some prophets in the Quran. Have Allah s.w.t forget His promise to the believers?

The Quran also, in *4:69* says

"And whoso obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) of His, shall be among those on whom Allah bestows His blessings, namely the Prophets, the truthful, the Martyrs and the righteous..."

From this verse Allah promises followers of Muhammad 4 ranks of honour and the first and highest is to attain prophethood down to an ordinary righteous Muslim.

Furthermore, suratul jummah, 62:3 and 4, Allah said:

"..He raised Messenger among the unlettered people (Arab), to recite the signs to then and teach them wisdom... then He will also raise among the people yet to come... (wa akharina minhum)"

In tafsir At-tabari, Muhammad pbuh was asked who are those yet to come as Allah revealed in the verse? The prophet pbuh place his hands on Salman Farsi (the person) and responded, if faith leave to a very high place (forgotten in the earth), a man from Salman's descent will return it to the earth. That's a messenger will emerge from Salman's descent to restore the lost faith as Isa a.s was sent to restore the lost faith of the Jews brought by Musa a.s.

This is not about defending anyone but adhering to truth with Justice as Allah enjoined we Muslims in Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 8:
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا قَوَّامِينَ لِلَّهِ شُهَدَاءَ بِالْقِسْطِ وَلَا يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ عَلَىٰ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا اعْدِلُوا هُوَ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَىٰ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ

O you who believe! Be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice, and let not hatred of a people incite you not to act equitably; act equitably, that is nearer to piety, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Aware of what you do.
(English - Shakir)



Allah described Muslims severally in the Quran, as seen in Surah Al-hujraat, Verse 12:

O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.

A sincere believer is described in surah Al furqan as:
Vs 63:

For, [true] believers are [only] they who walk gently on earth, and who, whenever the foolish address them, reply with [words of] peace (trying not to cause disorderliness on land);
67:
And they who when they spend, are neither extravagant nor parsimonious, and (keep) between these the just mean.
72:
And they who do not bear witness to what is false, and when they pass by what is vain, they pass by nobly.
75:
These shall be rewarded with high places because they were patient, and shall be met therein with greetings and salutations.

In conclusion, Allah says in Surah Al-Hujraat, Verse 10 & 11

The believers are but brethren, therefore make peace between your brethren and be careful of (your duty to) Allah that mercy may be had on you.. and do not mock at each other nor laugh at another’s practices, perchance they may be better than you… and do not find fault with your own people nor call one another by nicknames; evil is a bad name after faith, and whoever does not turn, these it is that are the unjust.
(English - Shakir)


After Allah as spoken about His religion adherent, who is the scholar that will redefine what Allah has defined?

Maybe it's the religion of the scholar that includes, whether the person fast or not

Ara99:
Any one who believes in a prophet after Muhammad (SAW) is no doubt a Kafir, whether he prays, fasts, is kind to his neighbors and his relatives and does other good deeds.
These do not help him in anyway. That is the main reason why the companions of Rasulullah fought and killed the false prophet musaylimah and his followers and killed them as Kafirs without a difference in opinion among them.
Mind you, we have Prophesies about the Mahdi and Ahmad Ghulam has not fulfilled any of them. The Mahdi will not be a Prophet but a Muslim and a follower of the Prophet Muhammad.
The reason why this movement is so popular in this part of the country is mainly due to lack of Islamic knowledge and the fact that they are usually seen as philanthropists.

[quote author=Jonathan post=62067696]See how Muslims make judgement outside the Quran!!

Where in the Quran or Hadith, even if it's a weak source is it ascribed to the prophet pbuh as saying anyone who believes in a prophet after Muhammad pbuh is a kafir?