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Brother, I'LL APPRECIATE an EXPLANATION TO THIS VERSE from SURAH MARIAM. You can as well translate yours with the Arabic please.


Yahya a.s said in Surah Maryam, Verse 15:

وَسَلَامٌ عَلَيْهِ يَوْمَ وُلِدَ وَيَوْمَ يَمُوتُ وَيَوْمَ يُبْعَثُ حَيًّا

And peace on him (Yahya a.s) on the day HE WAS BORN, and on THE DAY HE DIES, and on the day HE IS RAISED TO LIFE (AGAIN)


In Sura 19:31-34, Isa a.s said

He said, I am a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet. And He has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live; And He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me haughty and unblessed. And PEACE WAS ON ME (Isa a.s) THE DAY I WAS BORN, and PEACE WILL BE ON ME THE DAY I SHALL DIE, and the DAY I SHALL BE RAISED UP TO LIFE AGAIN.

Questions:

1. Isa a.s made many promises, which includes "GIVING ALMS AS LONG AS HE LIVES".
So if Isa a.s is TO BE ALIVE, WHO IS HIS ALMS BEING GIVING TO IN HEAVEN?

(otherwise WE CONCLUDE ISA A.S LIED (astagfurullah) or IS DEAD.


2. Just as it's said about Yahya a.s,whereas, Yahya a.s is not expected to be coming back to life, why is Isa a.s expected by some scholars view?

3. Could the QURAN STILL BE SEEN AS SILENT ON ISA's DEATH?



**Furthermore, Allah said in Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 117 WHEN AN INCIDENT OF THE DAY OF QIYAMA IS BEING REPORTED, that Isa a.s will deny those that worshipped him saying the following:

I did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I WAS A WITNESS OF THEM SO LONG AS I WAS AMONG THEM, BUT WHEN THOU DIDST CAUSE ME TO DIE, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things.
(English - Shakir)


Question:
** If Isa a.s was to have came back in person from heaven or samawat as claimed, WILL HE HAVE TO DENY (or liked to Allah) KNOWING ABOUT THEIR WORSHIPPING HIM (as it was no where in history that he was worshipped when he was alive before) BECAUSE HE WITNESSED THEM HIMSELF AND MUST HAVE CORRECTED THEM AT HIS SECOND APPEARANCE (as they say to complete his mission)?

Jazzakumullahu khairan as I expect your responses. Will appreciate a straight response now. No more references to distorted Hadith please.

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I hope you read this before posting?. You see tafsir you quoted shot your foot?.

Me not speaking sometimes is as a result of how u

# @ first bold, my question CLEARLY says he will return in contrast to your belief that Isa alaih salam is dead and will not return. So you refute yourself.



# @ second bold, my question remains. If his soul left his body, it means his lifeless material body is evidence of his death. Question is, where is the body?. There is no historical fact of this. But you brought up British and biblical reference to back up your point. Why not Qur'an since you said Quran is not silent on the issue?.


Apart from that, Quran says that they follow conjecture. "And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain." If his material body was on the ground, they would not have doubted or assumed or confused about his death. And they would have buried him and nabi Muhammad(saw) would have given us clue of the location just like Noah's ark. So you see confusion within your narration now?



===========================================[/quote]First of all, I don't think I have posted any Hadith or fact credited to Ghulam Ahmad. It's your personal grudge that hunts you presently.

I now have a proof to my claim that you're reading with prejudice or ignorant of the truth if it's right to use such word.

I'm surprise, MANY A PROOF FROM THE QURAN which YOU ARE YET TO CHALLENGE, instead, you either claim it's my translation or tafsir despite QUOTED VERBATIM.

Brother, You forgot to make a statement on the "ALL APOSTLES BEFORE HIM PBUH ARE DEAD..." that I posted above.

I'll also appreciate you explain the verse to me in your own understanding whether it DECLARES HIS A.S DEATH OR NOT.

ISA a.s IS DEAD AND THE DEAD HAVE NEVER AND WILL NEVER RETURN TO LIFE IN THAT SAME FORM, EXCEPT SOMEONE ELSE WITH SIMILAR ATTRIBUTE (IN TERMS OF MESSAGE / WORK Just like John a.s is to Elijah a.s)
Back to your assertions of me claiming Isa a.s will not come back. Have you forgotten I Quoted from the Bible, regarding Prophet Elijah a.s where Isa a.s was reported to have pointed John a.s as the second coming of Elijah a.s. So Isa a.s used that to explain to the deciples that he will return same way as Elijah (in another form). SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY WRONG IN YOUR ASSERTION.

QUR'AN's VIEW ABOUT THE BODY OF ISA a.s
May I request humbly for the Quran proof for the location of Muhammad's pbuh body or Musa's a.s body.
Jazzakumullahu as I await your answer please.


**Lastly, as I Quoted earlier, knowledge is the lost property of a Muslim and it's gotten or achieved by anyone who seeks it not remain ignorantly at a position (as Allah says, "sanuq riuka fala tansa" meaning: "read and He shall make you remember"

WHAT IS HISTORICAL FACT?
If BBC DOCUMENTARY IS TERMED AS HISTORICAL FACTS, because your so called scholars said Ghulam Ahmad inspired it, WHAT OF THE OTHER BOOKS I POSTED? ARE THEY ALSO BBC?

IGNORANCE, THEY SAY IS WORSE THAN ILLITERACY, & IF YOU CLAIM SEEKING KNOWLEDGE IS EXPENSIVE, WHY NOT TRY IGNORANCE (and remain uninformed?)

I'll repost the books (MAYBE IN CAPITAL LETTERS SO YOU CAN SEE IT THIS TIME) for the sake of those sincere seekers after truth.

MANY HISTORICAL RECORDS AND BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE.

*THE LOST TRIBES AND THE SAXONS OF THE EAST AND WEST BY GEORGE MOORE M.D (LONGMAN, 1861).
(Ghulam Ahmad have not said neither have he made any claim to anything by 1861).

*CYCLOPEDIA OF INDIA AND SOUTHERN ASIA BY SURGEON GENERAL EDWARD BALFOUR. VOL. I THIRD EDITION.

*A JOURNEY FROM BENGAL TO ENGLAND, THROUGH THE NORTHERN PART OF INDIA, KASHMIRE, AFGHANISTAN, AND PERISA AND INTO RUSSIA BY THE CASPIAN-SEA, BY GEORGE FORSTER. VOL. II (R. FAULDER & SON, LONDON, 1808).

(Ghulam Ahmad is not born by 1808, how unwise will a person declared someone inspire an information that already exist before his birth)

Empiree:
It seems to me that we are just getting started on this. You are trying to inundate me with references since you could not see my argument about nabi Isa's(a s) lifeless body. Hence, you need to stay tune i bring up my references too. I have been so reluctant to this bcuz i believed you are pretty much aware of those ahadth in connection of Jesus, Gog and Magog and Dajjal. But since you chose to ignore all that, then, let's get started.

Mind you, in your very own narration of Qadiani, you have flaws in them about age of Isa (alaihi salam) and his eventual return.

I hope you also know there is another narration in your literature that says Isa alaiy salam was 125 at the time of his "spiritual ascension".


# According to rules of narration (riwayah): Hafiz Haithmi has called it Daeef (i.e. unauthentic). After quoting this narration he writes:

رواه الطبراني باسناد ضعيف ، وروى البزار بعضه أيضا وفى رجاله ضعف


“Tabarani narrated it with a weak chain and Bazzar also narrated some part of it and in its chain (also) is weakness.”
(Majma’ Al-Zawai’d Wa Manba Al-Fawai’d 4/67, Chapter on the illness and death of the Prophet)





In the light of rationality (diraya): According to the principle of diraya (i.e. rationality) as well, this narration is not acceptable. The narration gives the notion as if every Prophet lives half the age of the Prophet immediately before him. This cannot be true and thus can never be uttered by the Noble and Truthful Prophet (PBUH). If Jesus (PBUH) lived for 120 years then John the Baptist (Yahya A.S.) should have lived for 240 years but he lived less then the period Jesus (PBUH) remained on Earth. Moreover following this cycle we have to believe that Adam (PBUH) perhaps lived millions of years which cannot be true.





Moreover there is a lot of confusion regarding the wording of the of the narration which is even otherwise weak. In Ibn Asaakir’s Tarikh Damishq (47/482) and Ibn Saa’d’s Tabaqaat Al-Kubra (2/195) there are narrations that tend to convey as if Jesus (PBUH) lived for 150 years. Indeed these narrations are also of dubious narration like the one about 120 years.



Ibn Asaakir after quoting both these narrations says:

كذا في هاتين الروايتين والصحيح أن عيسى لم يبلغ هذا العمر


“It’s like that in these two narrations [about 120 & 150 years] and the truth is that Jesus (PBUH) did not reach this age.” (Tarikh Damishq 47/482)



Now, let's turn the tables, let me ask why Qadianis not take the narration in full and apply it to other issues? Does it not say, “And I have been told that there is no Prophet after other Prophet but he lives a life half then the one who lived earlier”? While it does, how could Mirza Qadiani be a Prophet for according to this narration?. if there ever was to be any Prophet after the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), he would live only 31 or 32 years, half of the Prophet’ (PBUH) age i.e. 63 years while Mirza lived far more. Verily this proves the fragility of Qadiani arguments.



And since you believe Qadianis believe more and more prophets will come "after" Rasullullah (SAWS), according to Qadianis Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib was a “prophet”. And it means with every new prophet his age will be half of preceeding prophet. A time will come when subsequent prophets will be 15 years, 7.5 years, 3.45 years….actually future prophets will be done with their ministry before they could reach age of maturity.




Now here is Qadiani/Ahmadi contradiction. Below quotes are gleaned from their literature.


"Hence, I shall prove in this book that Jesus (Peace be upon him) did not die on the cross neither did he go up to the heavens nor it should ever be hoped that he will return to the earth from the heavens; rather, he died at the age of 120 years in Srinagar in Kashmir, and his grave is in the Khanyar Region of Srinagar." (Maseeh Hindustan Mein, (Jesus in India) Roohani Khazain, vol.15, p.14)



"Authentic narrations of hadith prove that our holy Prophet (pbuh) said in the person of Jesus two such qualities were combined which were not present in any other prophet. Firstly, he lived his full life, i.e. he was alive for 125 years. Secondly, he toured most of the parts of the world�now it is obvious if he had ascended to heavens at the age of only 33 years, then the tradition of 125 years would not have been correct, neither he could have toured at such a young age of 33. These traditions are not only mentioned in the authentic and ancient books of hadith, but they are so popular among all the sects of Muslims that none can be imagined more famous." (Maseeh Hindustan Mein {Jesus in India}, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, pp. 55-56)

"Ya ayuha lazina aamanu takullaha, was Qulu qowlan shadida"..

Did you get the above book or you just copied and pasted from your so called scholars site?

If you got it, I don't expect you to be posting ignorantly.

Empiree:
Sorry brother, why don't you stick to islamic text since you claimed Quran is not silent on this?.

@bold shows your confusion. If he was seen moving after cross incident, is EVIDENCE he did not die.

Brother, by Allah, I acknowledge the fact that you are knowledgeable, but You keep ignoring the Quran quotations, claiming I deny some Hadith because I have other clear proofs from other Hadith, after which you requested historical Fact. Let's remember that "Allah says, "Inna Huda, Huda llahil Huda" (through guidance is the guidance of Allah), He s.w.t also emphasize the fact that we seek knowledge (as knowledge is the lost property of a Muslim).

Please review the following.

SOME OTHER HADITH ARE HERE, NOT TO CONVINCE YOU BUT TO EDUCATE YOU AND FOR OTHERS NOT TO BE MISLEAD BY SOME TAKFIR SCHOLARS.

In Sahih Bukhari,
Hazrat Ibn Abbas, Allah be pleased with him, has been quoted as translating "Mutawaeeka" with "I will cause thee to die".
(Bukhari, Kitab alTafseer, Sura Maaida)

In Sura 19:31-34, Isa a.s said (just as Yahya a.s said,whereas, Yahya a.s statement was not seen as coming back to life, why was Isa a.s word misinterpreted??)

He said, I am a servant of Allah. He has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet. And He has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live; And He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me haughty and unblessed. And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace there will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.

In Sura 21:35 Allah boldly declared:
We granted not everlasting life to any human being before thee. If then thou shouldst die, shall they live here forever ?

Commenting upon the verses of Sura Maryam regarding Jesus, peace be upon him,
Syed Qutub says: "The definite explanation advanced here is of Jesus's death and him being raised aer death. ere is no scope for any other interpretation for unnecessary diatribe. (Fi Zilal il Quran, Vol: 4, Page:66)

The Holy Prophet saw, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him has said:
If Moses and Jesus were alive, they would have no alternative but to follow me. (Ibn Kathir: Tafseer ul Quran vol 1 page 378)
The Holy Prophet (pbuh) said to the group of Najran: Do you not know that OUR LORD IS LIVING and He will never die, WHEREAS JESUS HAS ALREADY DIED ? (Asbabun Nazul, page 68).

The Holy Prophetsaw, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said: Gebriel informed me that every successive prophet has lived to half the age of his predecessor. And verily Jesus, son of Mary, lived to 120 years. erefore, I think, I may rea the age of sixty. (Kanzulummal vol 11 page 479)

Hazrat Haz Imam Ibn Qayyam says: And what is asserted about the Messiah that he was lied towards heaven at the age of 33 years has not been supported by any Hadith and cannot, therefore, win our conviction. (Zad ul Maad vol. 1, page 84)

IMPORTANT NOTE: In the 1990 edition of this book "Asbabun Nazul" the part of the sentence referring to the death of Isa a.s. was deleted, whereas it was wrien in the old edition, see page No. 7072 of this book. is is a clear manipulation by the opponents of the Jamaat and thus Muslims are following in the footsteps of the Jews, as Holy Prophet (pbuh) had prophesied that Muslims would resemble them in every respect. (Asbabun Nuzul page 44, edition 1990)

THe Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is reported to have said: "Allah the Exalted revealed to Jesus, peace be upon him, : 'O Isa, continue to move from one place to another so that you might not be persecuted aer being recognised." (Kanzulummal apter 1 in vol 3 page 158)

The Holy Prophet , Peace and blessing of Allah be upon him, praised Allah the Exalted and eulogized Him, and then he said: O people, I have come to know that you are afraid of your Prophet's death. Did any of the prophet who was sent before me had everlasting life that I should live with you for ever? Hearken, I am going to meet my Lord, and certainly you will meet me. Hence, I give you advise regarding the rst immigrants (from Mecca). (Khutaba alMustafa by Mohammad Khalil alKahteeb: page 345


ALLAMA ABU TAYYEB SIDDIQUE BIN HASAN says: " It is wrien in Zadul Ma'ad authored by HAZ IBNE QAYYAM, Allah's mercy be upon him, that the assertion that Jesus, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was lied up at the age of 33 years, has not been supported by any Hadith and cannot, therefore, merit our belief. Shami has been quoted as saying that the truth of the maers is exactly the same as described by Imam IBNE QAYYIM. is belief of ascension of Jesus at the age of 33 years is based on the narratives of the Christians. It is quite clear from the Traditions of the Holy Prophet, that Jesus's spiritual ascension took place at the age of 120 years. (Fat hul Bayan vol 2 page 247)

Hazrat Mohyuddin Ibn Arabi states:"By Raf'a e Isa, peace be upon him, it is meant that his soul ascended to heaven. As it is essential for his soul to return to his real place or ultimate place of rest, and as it has not yet reaed its true perfection, in the last days most certainly descend to earth again, but with a new body.
(Tafsir ul Quran Vol 1 Page 296)

Sheikh Muhiyyud din ibn Arabi adds: He is the prophet whom Allah raised to heaven aer he was seperated from his body and his relation with the material world was cut. (Fusus al Hikam, Fass 4, page 4546)

The Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is reported to have said: When the servant of God adopts humility, Allah the Exalted elevates him up to the seventh heaven." (Kanzulummal, Babul Awwal Fil Akhlaq, vol 3 page 110)

INSHA'ALLAH, I CAN PROVIDE THE ORIGINAL TEXT (in Arabic) OF ALL THE EVIDENCES ABOVEON REQUEST SO YOU CAN RE TRANSLATE THEM YOURSELF AND FOR CLARIFICATION.

Empiree:
Sorry brother, why don't you stick to islamic text since you claimed Quran is not silent on this?. You are now quoting BBC, Christian book when Allah clearly informed you that they followed nothing but CONJECTURE. Why do you think i should believe biblical account?. I have not stepped out of islamic text. So why did you travel to christianity to convince me?


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Brother, "..Qul Amana billahi wa malaikat, wa KUTB...", I don't believe you have forgotten this. If I did quote other heavenly scripture, I didn't exceed my limit as Allah instructed.

Moreover, go back to your post above, you requested for facts from history that testifies to his movement/travels after the incident of crucifixion.

If Ghulam Ahmad inspires the story of India, for the BBC, in support of other scientist, investigated and publish it, then, it must have been authentic story because they don't publish uninvestigated fact or fallacies.

Many historical records and books area available. If you remain in a position, you can't add to your knowledge.
*The LOST TRIBES and the Saxons of the East and West by George Moore M.D (Longman, 1861).
(Ghulam Ahmad have not said neither have he made any claim to anything by 1861).

*Cyclopedia of India and Southern Asia by Surgeon General Edward Balfour. Vol. I third edition.

*A journey from Bengal to England, through the Northern part of India, Kashmire, Afghanistan, and Perisa and into Russia by the Caspian-sea, by George Forster. Vol. ii (R. Faulder & son, London, 1808).

(Ghulam Ahmad is not born by 1808, how unwise will a person declared someone inspire an information that already exist before his birth)

Empiree:
Lol, only your translation used ALL. All standard translations did not use ALL. They used 'many'

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Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 144:

AND MUHAMMAD is only an apostle; all the [other] apostles have passed away before him: if, then, he dies or is slain, will you turn about on your heels? But he that turns about on his heels can in no wise harm God - whereas God will requite all who are grateful [to Him].
(English - Mohd Asad)

Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 144:

Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on his heels doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.
(English - Pickthal)


Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 144:

And Muhammad is no more than an apostle; the apostles have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful.
(English - Shakir)

These are also my Translations Brother? please be sincere, you're out of point.

Thinking I'm trying to convince you?, Remember "LA IQRAHA FI DIN, QAD TABAYYQNAL RUSHDU MINAL GHAYI.." & also, "lasta alaihi bi musaytir.."

At least, you're aware of the incident that occurred immediately after the death of the holy Prophet pbuh, when Umar unshielded​ his sword. IMMEDIATELY HAZHRAT ABUBAKAR r.a recited /reminded the sahabas of this verse, Umar r.a sword fell and he burst into tears. HE (UMAR r.a)AFFIRMED clearly that it was the reminder that convince him that Muhammad pbuh is dead (like the previous ones).

Is the Hadith also Ghulam Ahmad work. Please lets be sincere and just in our dealings so as not to incur the displeasure of Allah

When Muhammad Mustapha pbuh was INSTRUCTED NOT TO COMPEL ANY ONE TOWARDS FAITH OR IN ACT OF FAITH. WHO AM I, THIS WORTHLESS SERVANT COMPARED TO HIM PBUH TO DO THAT?

Empiree:
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However you need to clarify you stance whether you believe in Dajjal itself (not as human, not by symbolic features either). Just Dajjal a agent of fitna?. If you believe that, it is no longer matter whether is characteristics are literal or symbolic.

Brother, My stance on DAJJAL is the symbolic features, while the physical features are to be taking metaphorically not literally as commonly used by Allah in the Quran with both animate and inanimate objects as I mentioned earlier

Empiree:
Many attempts were made but only to later tell us it was not his remains. So far your position is inclear. Far as i am concerned, when Quran says balrafaAllahu ilai this is understood to mean he was airlifted by Allah (body and soul). That's where their conjectures come in. They shouldn't be confused about his whereabout after been brought down. That's where I told you Quran is silent on exactly how it happened but you insist Quran isn't silent. If Quran isn't silent, why then you had to bring Biblical account info this? .


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Surah Al-Mursalat, Verse 25& 26
أَلَمْ نَجْعَلِ الْأَرْضَ كِفَاتًا
أَحْيَاءً وَأَمْوَاتًا
Have We not made the earth (as a place) to draw together for the living and the dead,

Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 55:
إِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَىٰ إِنِّي مُتَوَفِّيكَ وَرَافِعُكَ إِلَيَّ وَمُطَهِّرُكَ مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَجَاعِلُ الَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوكَ فَوْقَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ثُمَّ إِلَيَّ مَرْجِعُكُمْ فَأَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ فِيمَا كُنتُمْ فِيهِ تَخْتَلِفُونَ

Lo! God said: "O Jesus! Verily, I shall cause thee to die, and shall exalt thee unto Me, and cleanse thee of [the presence of] those who are bent on denying the truth; and I shall place those who follow thee [far] above those who are bent on denying the truth, unto the Day of Resurrection. Then, unto Me will be the return..”

**In the above, Allah promised to KILL HIM FIRST BEFORE EXALTING HIM (i.e raising the soul as expected of every dead person). He didn’t say I’ll raise you before killing!!!

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 158:
بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا
nay, God exalted him unto Himself - and God is indeed almighty, wise.

RAFA'A (EXALT or ASCENSION?)

According to the English lexicon, “Exalt” is
From Old French exalter, from Latin exaltare
1- (transitive) TO HONOR; TO HOLD IN HIGH ESTEEM.
They exalted their queen.
2- TO RAISE IN RANK, STATUS ., to elevate.
The man was exalted from a humble carpenter to a minister.

ASCENSION.

Where is Allah?

For scholars who believe in his a.s bodily ascent because the question then arises as to where was God when He raised Jesus(as) to Himself? Was He not present where Jesus(as) was? Does God not occupy the entire universe? Was God not above Jesus(as), below Jesus(as), to the right of him and to the left of him? It is a fact that nobody can move to God as God is not a body. Bodies can only move in the direction of bodies. This is an inviolable law.

Prophet Ibrahim a.s said in Surah As-Saaffat, Verse 99:
He said: "I will go to my Lord! He will surely guide me!
Is there any fact in history that point to Ibrahim a.s climbing or flying to heaven?
Allah says in the Quran that
• if we're 2,He'll be the third, and of we're 3,He'll be the fourth
• That means Allah is everywhere and the fact that Isa a.s is with Him contradicts the Quran and reasoning (as no place is devoid of His presence).


All Messengers have always been a victim of reject from the beginning of time as testified to below:
Surah Ghafir, Verse 34:
وَلَقَدْ جَاءَكُمْ يُوسُفُ مِن قَبْلُ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ فَمَا زِلْتُمْ فِي شَكٍّ مِّمَّا جَاءَكُم بِهِ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا هَلَكَ قُلْتُمْ لَن يَبْعَثَ اللَّهُ مِن بَعْدِهِ رَسُولًا كَذَٰلِكَ يُضِلُّ اللَّهُ مَنْ هُوَ مُسْرِفٌ مُّرْتَابٌ

“And verily Joseph brought you of old clear proofs, yet ye ceased not to be in doubt concerning what he brought you till, when he died, ye said: Allah will not send any messenger after him…”

So if the intention of scholars to bring Isa a.s back to the scene is because he a.s was rejected is a bit shallow and doesn’t conform with the Sunnah of God as stated above.

Empiree:
Silence of Quran only meant for Muslims to exercise our intellect. So again, flaw in your theory is that his body's whereabout is questionable. If you can not specify what happened to his body, then my position that he was air lifted (body and soul) is the correct understanding.

IS THE QURAN TRULY TRULY SILENT ON THE DEATH OF JESUS?

“WamaWama Muhammadun I’ll rosul. Qad khalat min qablihi roosul…”
Meaning:

“Muhammad is nothing but a messenger. All other Messengers have passed on before him…”

These verse clearly states that all Messengers before Muhammad pbuh, as at his pbuh lifetime, ARE ALL DEAD (including Isa).

Surah An-Nahl, Verse 20:
وَالَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ لَا يَخْلُقُونَ شَيْئًا وَهُمْ يُخْلَقُونَ

Now those beings that some people invoke beside God cannot create anything, since they themselves are but created:

Surah An-Nahl, Verse 21:
أَمْوَاتٌ غَيْرُ أَحْيَاءٍ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ

they are all dead, not living, and they do not [even] know when they will be raised from the dead!

**As at the time these verses above was revealed to the holy Prophet pbuh, Isa a.s was among the being associated with Allah, and so is dead as Allah declared without ambiguity.

Empiree:
interesting as you are expressing your view. I have heard this before. But your view is not clear. If i understood you right, you are saying that he survived crucifixion and was brought down?. Fine.


The problem is with that theory is, if indeed he was nailed but was brought down and he later died, if the people present at the event are confused about whereabout of his soul, are they also confused about his wounded body?. Where is the body? . If he was buried, archeologists could have unearthed him by now.
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WHERE IS THE BODY?

Brother, it’s no doubt that the basis Christianity is the THE DEATH AND ASCENSION OF JESUS a.s, though the Bible testifies to seeing him a.s shortly after crucifixion but he a.s later disappeared and THE FALASY OF ASCENSION CAME IN. It is reasonable to believe that Jesus a.s absconded to evade the second arrest if news of his whereabouts become known to his enemies just as Muhammad pbuh abscond from Mecca.

No doubt the Quran testifies to many prophets sent by Allah. Only the parts /aspect of the lives OF SOME OF THEM that seems important that was related in the Quran.

AS REGARDS ARCHEOLOGY FACTS, THERE ARE MANY THAT POINTS TO THE MOVEMENT OF JESUS a.s AFTER THE INCIDENT OF THE CROSS. Though I misplaced some, but Insha’Allah, I should be able to remember some.
* The essene brothers (or the 3 scrolls)
* The shroud of Turin
* Also a BBC documentary on the Tomb of Jesus (You can get that on YouTube).
* Jesus lived in India by Holger Kersten:
* The Crucifixion of Christ: A Fact, not Fiction by John Gilchrist.
* Jesus Christ did not Die on the Cross – A Cardiologist’s Perspective by Professor M M H Nuri

That’s what I can remember presently.

Empiree:
I dont get the point you are trying to raise in your write here. Clarify yourself please. @bold, i no longer believe in the theory of substitution.

AS MUSLIMS, WE'RE TO BELIEVE IN ALL HEAVENLY BOOKS.

THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES that he a.s was put on the cross in the 6th hour and was put down in the 9th because of the Sabath day (which was the following day. No one must hang till the Sabath).

It further stated that due to inspiration of God to Pontias Pilate's wife of Jesus pbuh innocence, Pilate well planned the crucifiction to save Jesus pbuh.

At the 9th hour, when he a.s was brought down with the other thieves, HIS A.S SIDE WAS PIERCED WITH A SPEAR AND "BLOOD AND WATER GUSHED FORTH" (which according to science / cardiologist shows he a.s was still alive, because the heart stops pumping and circulating blood as soon as the person dies).

To hasten death during crucifiction, the limbs are usually broken, but the limb of the 2 other person crucified with him a.s was broken except his. Afterwards, he a.s was handed to someone to take to a secret tomb, WHERE OINTMENT AND OTHER THINGS THAT WILL HELP HIM a.s HEAL FAST WAS APPLIED TO HIS WOUND.

The quran says "THEY KILL HIM NOT NOR CRUCIFY HIM..."

To Kill someone is usually applied to ONLY HUMAN TO HUMAN RELATION. When the death of someone comes about either deliberately or not, by another person. If it's purely natural, it's better said that Allah took his soul.

Allah already said they intend to kill him (because it's the tradition of the wicked to seek to persecute and kill their prophets), BUT ALLAH ALREADY PROMISED ISA a.s that He WILL BRING ABOUT HIS DEATH HIMSELF ("...inni mutawafeeka warafiuka illaiya..."


So the plot of killing Isa a.s didn't work out because HE A.S WAS BROUGHT DOWN ALIVE.
BACK TO CRUCIFIXION.

According to the dictionary, it MEANS TO KILL SOMEONE ON THE CROSS.
So if the person was nailed BUT DIDN'T DIE, CRUCIFIXION IS NOT ACHIEVED.

An example is a person who was hit by a car. If he dies immediately, IT IS SAID HE DIED OF ACCIDENT. BUT if he survived and later die years later peacefully, IT CAN NEVER BE SAID HE DIED OF ACCIDENT.


*** IF ISA A.S DIDN'T DIE ON THE CROSS (i.e CRUCIFIXION) AND WASN'T KILLED BY THE JEWS, CAN'T HE DIE PEACEFUL AS ALLAH ALREADY PROMISED HIM? (Because Allah never in the Quran promised to take him a.s. bodily to heaven.

Empiree:
I dont get the point you are trying to raise in your write here. Clarify yourself please. @bold, i no longer believe in the theory of substitution.

The explanation was already stated above Brother, but will re post it:

Substitution will clearly amount to Injustice in the part of Allah (astagfurullah). Because an innocent will be put to shame and punished in place of the guilty. BOTH THE QURAN AND BIBLE DISTINCTLY CLARIFY THIS FACT OF HIS SURVIVAL ON THE CROSS

In explaining the above, first of all, Allah s.w.t is the just JUDGE AND HE ENJOINS JUSTICE on His creation. WHY WOULD SUCH JUST GOD, IN THE NAME of PROTECTING HIS PROPHET CONDEMN AN INNOCENT SOUL TO PUNISHMENT?

Many Prophet’s were severely persecuted, especially, that of Muhammad s.a.w who was persecuted with the handful Muslims for 13years that the believers with him cried loud that when will the help of Allah come (2:214), Allah never raised them to heaven in defense. Musa a.s, his brother a.s and the Isrealite where scared at the red sea, Allah didn’t raise them to himself. Why will do such injustice to his creation in expense of another?

The curious part of it is that there is not only one story that speaks of the casting of the likeness of Hadhrat Jesus A.S, there are several stories. But intelligent commentators like ABU HAYYAAN HAVE DISCARDED ALL such stories.

~ The word SHUBBIHA means, he was made to appear like, or was made to resemble. Now the question arises, who is the person who was made to appear "like one crucified". Clearly it was Hadhrat Jesus A.S whom the Jews tried to crucify or slay. Nobody else can be meant here, for there is absolutely no reference to any other person in the context. The context cannot be twisted as to make room for somebody else of whom no mention at all is made in the verse. To what then was Hadhrat JesusAS made like?

~ The context provides a clear answer to that question. THE JEWS DID NOT KILL HIM BY CRUCIFIXION, but he was made to appear to them like "one crucified", and thus it was THAT THEY WRONGLY TOOK HIM FOR DEAD. It was thus Hadhrat Jesus A.S who was made to resemble "one crucified". This interpretation is not only in perfect harmony with the context but is also clearly borne out by all relevant facts of history.

~ The SECOND MEANING of the expression SHUBBIHA LAHUM is, that "the matter became confused to them." This interpretation is also clearly borne out by history, for, although the Jews asserted that they had put Hadhrat Jesus A.S to death by suspending him on the Cross, they were not sure of it and the circumstances being obscure, the matter had certainly become confused to them. The fact that the Jews themselves were not sure whether Hadhrat JesusAS had actually died on the Cross is supported by the Bible and by all authentic historical facts.

• The Holy Prophet SAW said:
"If Moses and Jesus had been ALIVE, they would have had to believe in me and follow me." (Zurqani, Vol. VI, p. 54, Tibrani Kabeer, Alyawaqeet Wal Jawahir, Vol. II, p. 23)

Empiree:
I dont get the point you are trying to raise in your write here. Clarify yourself please. @bold, i no longer believe in the theory of substitution.

AS MUSLIMS, WE'RE TO BELIEVE IN ALL HEAVENLY BOOKS.

THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES that he a.s was put on the cross in the 6th hour and was put in the 9th because of the Sabath day (which was the following day. No one must hang till the Sabath).

It further stated that due to inspiration of God to Pontias Pilate's wife of Jesus pbuh innocence, Pilate well planned the crucifiction to save Jesus pbuh.

At the 9th hour, when he a.s was brought down with the other thieves, HIS A.S SIDE WAS PIERCED WITH A SPEAR AND "BLOOD AND WATER GUSHED FORTH" (which according to science / cardiologist shows he a.s was still alive, because the heart stops pumping and circulating blood as soon as the person dies).

To hasten death during crucifiction, the limbs are usually broken, but the limb of the 2 other person crucified with him a.s was broken except his. Afterwards, he a.s was handed to someone to take to a secret tomb, WHERE OINTMENT AND OTHER THINGS THAT WILL HELP HIM a.s HEAL FAST WAS APPLIED TO HIS WOUND.

the quran says "THEY KILL HIM NOT NOR CRUCIFY HIM..."

To Kill someone is usually applied to ONLY HUMAN TO HUMAN RELATION. When the death of someone comes about either deliberately or not, by another person. If it's purely natural, it's better said that Allah took his soul.

Allah already said they intend to kill him (because it's the tradition of the wicked to seek to persecute and kill their prophets), BUT ALLAH ALREADY PROMISED ISA a.s that He WILL BRING ABOUT HIS DEATH HIMSELF ("...inni mutawafeeka warafiuka illaiya...".

So the plot of killing Isa a.s didn't work out because HE A.S WAS BROUGHT DOWN ALIVE.

BACK TO CRUCIFIXION.
According to the dictionary, it MEANS TO KILL SOMEONE ON THE CROSS.

So if the person was nailed BUT DIDN'T DIE, CRUCIFIXION IS NOT ACHIEVED.

An example is a person who was hit by a car. If he dies immediately, IT IS SAID HE DIED OF ACCIDENT. BUT if he survived and later die years later peacefully, IT CAN NEVER BE SAID HE DIED OF ACCIDENT.

*** IF ISA A.S DIDN'T DIE ON THE CROSS (i.e CRUCIFIXION) AND WASN'T KILLED BY THE JEWS, CAN'T HE DIE PEACEFUL AS ALLAH ALREADY PROMISED HIM? (Because Allah never in the Quran promised to take him a.s. bodily to heaven.

Crescentholm:
In explaining the above, first of all, Allah s.w.t is the just JUDGE AND HE ENJOINS JUSTICE on His creation. WHY WOULD SUCH JUST GOD, IN THE NAME of PROTECTING HIS PROPHET CONDEMN AN INNOCENT SOUL TO PUNISHMENT?

Many Prophet’s were severely persecuted, especially, that of Muhammad s.a.w who was persecuted with the handful Muslims for 13years that the believers with him cried loud that when will the help of Allah come (2:214), Allah never raised them to heaven in defense. Musa a.s, his brother a.s and the Isrealite where scared at the red sea, Allah didn’t raise them to himself. Why will do such injustice to his creation in expense of another?

The curious part of it is that there is not only one story that speaks of the casting of the likeness of Hadhrat Jesus A.S, there are several stories. But intelligent commentators like ABU HAYYAAN HAVE DISCARDED ALL such stories.

~ The word SHUBBIHA means, he was made to appear like, or was made to resemble. Now the question arises, who is the person who was made to appear "like one crucified". Clearly it was Hadhrat Jesus A.S whom the Jews tried to crucify or slay. Nobody else can be meant here, for there is absolutely no reference to any other person in the context. The context cannot be twisted as to make room for somebody else of whom no mention at all is made in the verse. To what then was Hadhrat JesusAS made like?

~ The context provides a clear answer to that question. THE JEWS DID NOT KILL HIM BY CRUCIFIXION, but he was made to appear to them like "one crucified", and thus it was THAT THEY WRONGLY TOOK HIM FOR DEAD. It was thus Hadhrat Jesus A.S who was made to resemble "one crucified". This interpretation is not only in perfect harmony with the context but is also clearly borne out by all relevant facts of history.

~ The SECOND MEANING of the expression SHUBBIHA LAHUM is, that "the matter became confused to them." This interpretation is also clearly borne out by history, for, although the Jews asserted that they had put Hadhrat Jesus A.S to death by suspending him on the Cross, they were not sure of it and the circumstances being obscure, the matter had certainly become confused to them. The fact that the Jews themselves were not sure whether Hadhrat JesusAS had actually died on the Cross is supported by the Bible and by all authentic historical facts.

• The Holy Prophet SAW said:
"If Moses and Jesus had been ALIVE, they would have had to believe in me and follow me." (Zurqani, Vol. VI, p. 54, Tibrani Kabeer, Alyawaqeet Wal Jawahir, Vol. II, p. 23)

In addendum, let me give you some close evidences (just like my previous ones, are related from very close companions of the prophet pbuh)

The holy prophet s.a.w, During his last illness, said to his daughter Hadhrat Fatima ra:

"Once in every year, Gabriel recited the Quran to me. This year he recited twice. He also told me that every succeeding prophet has lived to half the age of his predecessor. He told me that Jesus, son of Mary, lived to 120 years. Therefore, I think, I may live to about 60 years." (Mawahib-ud-Duniya by Qastalani, Vol. I, p. 42, Kanzul Ummal Vol. 6, p. 160)

In one of his writing, IMAM MALIK R.H said Jesus had died. (Majma Biharul Anwar, Vol. I, p. 286)

Crescentholm:
PLEASE READ THROUGH PATIENTLY AND WITHOUT PREJUDICE BROTHER. Sorry to say this but it seems you're not reading through my post before making comment, this is because responses to comment shouldnt ask the same question already responded to, but ask questions regarding what is unclear in the responses
Brother, I can't avoid any surah of the holy Quran, because Allah already instructed, 'believe in Him, His Prophets and those in authority over you. But when comes misunderstanding regarding issues, refer it back to Allah (that's the Quran).

For Allah to reference the Quran as a dispute resolution, HOW CAN WE CLAIM THE QURAN REMAIN SILENT ON SOME MATTERS? THIS IS DEROGATORY PLEASE.

I'm also human, so we're bond to forget. Any reference that comes to mind as at when responding, I give it. Apology for oversight if it appears offensive but my other quotations are as clear as daylight.


**ANOTHER MISUNDERSTANDING IS FOUND IN THE VERSE BELOW, INSTEAD OF EXPLAINING IT WITH THE QURAN, SOME SCHOLARS CLAIM ALLAH WAS SILENT ON IT

“And for their saying, `We did slay the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of ALLAH;' whereas THEY SLEW HIM NoT, NOR DID THEY BRING ABOUT HIS DEATH UPON THE CROSS, but he was made to appear to them like one crucied; and those who dier therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no certain knowledge thereof, but only pursue a conjecture; and they did not arrive at a certainty concerning it. On the contrary, ALLAH exalted him to Himself. And ALLAH is Mighty, Wise”.

It is absurd to think that one who is neither killed, nor put to death by putting on the Cross has necessarily ascended bodily to heaven.

• Besides, the Arabic words "MAA SALABOOHO" do not deny the fact of Hadhrat Jesus'AS being nailed to the but deny his having died on it as is clear from Arabic lexicon.
Furthermore, the ENGLISH DICTIONARY DEFINE CRUCIFIXION as to EXECUTE (OR KILL) A PERSON by NAILING HIM ON A CROSS.

For example, SALABAL LISSA means, HE CRUCIFIED THE THIEF, i.e., HE PUT HIM TO DEATH IN A CERTAIN WELL-KNOWN MANNER (Lane & Aqrab). In crucifixion one was nailed to a framework made in the form of a cross and, being kept without food and drink, slowly died of pain, hunger, fatigue, and exposure. If the person nailed didn’t die on the cross, he can never be referred to as crucified.

• The words Wa Laakin Shubbiha Lahum in verse 4:158 as claimed that the likeness of Hadhrat Jesus a.s was cast upon another person--Judas or somebody else who was then crucified in place of Hazrat Jesus a.s.
?

In explaining the above, first of all, Allah s.w.t is the just JUDGE AND HE ENJOINS JUSTICE on His creation. WHY WOULD SUCH JUST GOD, IN THE NAME of PROTECTING HIS PROPHET CONDEMN AN INNOCENT SOUL TO PUNISHMENT?

Many Prophet’s were severely persecuted, especially, that of Muhammad s.a.w who was persecuted with the handful Muslims for 13years that the believers with him cried loud that when will the help of Allah come (2:214), Allah never raised them to heaven in defense. Musa a.s, his brother a.s and the Isrealite where scared at the red sea, Allah didn’t raise them to himself. Why will do such injustice to his creation in expense of another?

The curious part of it is that there is not only one story that speaks of the casting of the likeness of Hadhrat Jesus A.S, there are several stories. But intelligent commentators like ABU HAYYAAN HAVE DISCARDED ALL such stories.

~ The word SHUBBIHA means, he was made to appear like, or was made to resemble. Now the question arises, who is the person who was made to appear "like one crucified". Clearly it was Hadhrat Jesus A.S whom the Jews tried to crucify or slay. Nobody else can be meant here, for there is absolutely no reference to any other person in the context. The context cannot be twisted as to make room for somebody else of whom no mention at all is made in the verse. To what then was Hadhrat JesusAS made like?

~ The context provides a clear answer to that question. THE JEWS DID NOT KILL HIM BY CRUCIFIXION, but he was made to appear to them like "one crucified", and thus it was THAT THEY WRONGLY TOOK HIM FOR DEAD. It was thus Hadhrat Jesus A.S who was made to resemble "one crucified". This interpretation is not only in perfect harmony with the context but is also clearly borne out by all relevant facts of history.

~ The SECOND MEANING of the expression SHUBBIHA LAHUM is, that "the matter became confused to them." This interpretation is also clearly borne out by history, for, although the Jews asserted that they had put Hadhrat Jesus A.S to death by suspending him on the Cross, they were not sure of it and the circumstances being obscure, the matter had certainly become confused to them. The fact that the Jews themselves were not sure whether Hadhrat JesusAS had actually died on the Cross is supported by the Bible and by all authentic historical facts.

• The Holy Prophet SAW said:
"If Moses and Jesus had been ALIVE, they would have had to believe in me and follow me." (Zurqani, Vol. VI, p. 54, Tibrani Kabeer, Alyawaqeet Wal Jawahir, Vol. II, p. 23)

Empiree:
No, you do quote correct references but i am afraid that you misplaced tafsir with wrong ayat of Qur'an.



Now let me make few things clear. I understand that muslims from the time of immemorial have ikhtilaf on the issue of the "death" and "return" of nabi Isa (alayhi salam). However, death they attributed to him(as) was that it was Allah who took his soul. This is line of disagreement bcus Quran is silent on how it actually happened. Both pros and cons only come up with theories and evidences at their disposal. Therefore, a muslim should not make takfir of another muslim who believe Isa(as) died i:e Allah took his soul. It is not kufr to say this. But if a muslim believes or makes it part of his aqeeda that nabi Isa's enemies actually crucified and killed him, this is enough to make takfir of kufr bcus the ayah iterate with CERTAINTY that they did not kill him nor crucify him. Even Quraniyoon don't believe he(as) was crucified.



So you need to make your stand clear on this first. It will be timeless efforts that will get us nowhere if we are to continue arguing whether Allah took his soul or not. Scholars differ on it. But the reason later's opinion is stronger is bcus of overwhelming ahadith which is quite difficult to dismiss. Isn't strange that you avoided those ahadith or you simply don't believe them?.. Also, even without hadith, the AYAH OF QURAN WHICH YOU AVOIDED hints us of nabi Isa's return.


So the belief that he did not die and will return in the end time is stronger with clear backings from ahadith. That's what I subscribed to.

PLEASE READ THROUGH PATIENTLY AND WITHOUT PREJUDICE BROTHER. Sorry to say this but it seems you're not reading through my post before making comment, this is because responses to comment shouldnt ask the same question already responded to, but ask questions regarding what is unclear in the responses
Brother, I can't avoid any surah of the holy Quran, because Allah already instructed, 'believe in Him, His Prophets and those in authority over you. But when comes misunderstanding regarding issues, refer it back to Allah (that's the Quran).

For Allah to reference the Quran as a dispute resolution, HOW CAN WE CLAIM THE QURAN REMAIN SILENT ON SOME MATTERS? THIS IS DEROGATORY PLEASE.

I'm also human, so we're bond to forget. Any reference that comes to mind as at when responding, I give it. Apology for oversight if it appears offensive but my other quotations are as clear as daylight.


**ANOTHER MISUNDERSTANDING IS FOUND IN THE VERSE BELOW, INSTEAD OF EXPLAINING IT WITH THE QURAN, SOME SCHOLARS CLAIM ALLAH WAS SILENT ON IT

“And for their saying, `We did slay the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of ALLAH;' whereas THEY SLEW HIM NoT, NOR DID THEY BRING ABOUT HIS DEATH UPON THE CROSS, but he was made to appear to them like one crucied; and those who dier therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no certain knowledge thereof, but only pursue a conjecture; and they did not arrive at a certainty concerning it. On the contrary, ALLAH exalted him to Himself. And ALLAH is Mighty, Wise”.

It is absurd to think that one who is neither killed, nor put to death by putting on the Cross has necessarily ascended bodily to heaven.

• Besides, the Arabic words "MAA SALABOOHO" do not deny the fact of Hadhrat Jesus'AS being nailed to the but deny his having died on it as is clear from Arabic lexicon.
Furthermore, the ENGLISH DICTIONARY DEFINE CRUCIFIXION as to EXECUTE (OR KILL) A PERSON by NAILING HIM ON A CROSS.

For example, SALABAL LISSA means, HE CRUCIFIED THE THIEF, i.e., HE PUT HIM TO DEATH IN A CERTAIN WELL-KNOWN MANNER (Lane & Aqrab). In crucifixion one was nailed to a framework made in the form of a cross and, being kept without food and drink, slowly died of pain, hunger, fatigue, and exposure. If the person nailed didn’t die on the cross, he can never be referred to as crucified.

• The words Wa Laakin Shubbiha Lahum in verse 4:158 as claimed that the likeness of Hadhrat Jesus a.s was cast upon another person--Judas or somebody else who was then crucified in place of Hazrat Jesus a.s.
?

Crescentholm:
**I acknowledge brother, but for the Issue of Tafsir needn't be declared as misplaced or imbalance. As a judge, we have a standard, which is the Quran brother. It's the perfect law when Allah perfected His religion for us so IT IS AND WILL NEVER REMAIN SILENT ON ANY ISSUE OF MAN.
Moreover, none of the tafsir was credited to myself. They are works of respected scholars of faith like Jawsi, Ragib, Tabari etc (may Allah have mercy on them).


ON SURAH AZ-ZUKHRUF, Verse 61:
وَإِنَّهُ لَعِلْمٌ لِّلسَّاعَةِ فَلَا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِهَا وَاتَّبِعُونِ هَٰذَا صِرَاطٌ مُّسْتَقِيمٌ

And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path.

Let me make somethings clear brother. Allah is the perfect in all raminifications​, including His creation.

*He created Adam a.s without any support (from parents) while IN OPPOSITE, he creates other human with support of human.

* He created Hawau a.s from a man WHILE IN OPPOSITE, he creates Isa a.s from a woman
etc.

*In the Quran, the mention of daylight equals the number of nights, etc.

There, in the verse, Allah was explaining the signs of His, telling the Christians he a.s is nothing but mortal with no exceptional attribute than the other prophets, and like the other prophets, they are signs of the hour being that the doctrine will be most pronounce.

However, Allah made His plan of DEBUNKING THE CLAIM THROUGH THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH OF THE LAST HOUR. According to the holy Prophet pbuh, the messiah is to break the Cross (refute the arguments not Jesus). HOW DO YOU EXPECT THE MESSIAH TO ACHIEVE THIS REFUTATION WITHOUT DIVINE GUIDANCE FROM ALLAH AND ALSO RECEIVING DIVINE GUIDANCE FROM ALLAH IS ALSO A SYMBOL OF PROPHETHOOD.

You can check back my explanation on DAJJAL above as I said it's an ideology. I'll repost for convenience.

As for DAJJAL,
It's an idea, never a being. The prophet pbuh was giving an analogy to his companions on DAJJAL just like a human, as it's a practice, even in the Quran also where prophecies are related using animals or inanimate objects as analogy.
An example, is where Allah severally likens believers to a person with sight while a disbeliever to a blind. DOES THAT MEAN ALL DISBELIEVERS ARE BLIND?
or where Allah likens a sincere good deeds to a farmer growing on a fertile land while an hypocrite deeds is just like a farmer planting on a rocky surface which washes off when wind blows or during the rain. IS THE DEEDS OF A BELIEVER A FARM OR IT PRODUCE?
In such scenario, Muhammad pbuh likened DAJJAL to a human with a blind right eye, while his left is open (meaning, things/ideology/practices that ignores the good and up take the evil practices). The word DAJJAL is gotten from the Arabic word "DAJALA", Meaning: "DECEPTION". So any practice or ideology that is against the good practices (as enjoined in the Quran and Sunnah) no doubt is deception and it metaphorically closes it's eye at the good and open it toward evil.

Empiree:
No, you do quote correct references but i am afraid that you misplaced tafsir with wrong ayat of Qur'an.



Now let me make few things clear. I understand that muslims from the time of immemorial have ikhtilaf on the issue of the "death" and "return" of nabi Isa (alayhi salam). However, death they attributed to him(as) was that it was Allah who took his soul. This is line of disagreement bcus Quran is silent on how it actually happened. Both pros and cons only come up with theories and evidences at their disposal. Therefore, a muslim should not make takfir of another muslim who believe Isa(as) died i:e Allah took his soul. It is not kufr to say this. But if a muslim believes or makes it part of his aqeeda that nabi Isa's enemies actually crucified and killed him, this is enough to make takfir of kufr bcus the ayah iterate with CERTAINTY that they did not kill him nor crucify him. Even Quraniyoon don't believe he(as) was crucified.



So you need to make your stand clear on this first. It will be timeless efforts that will get us nowhere if we are to continue arguing whether Allah took his soul or not. Scholars differ on it. But the reason later's opinion is stronger is bcus of overwhelming ahadith which is quite difficult to dismiss. Isn't strange that you avoided those ahadith or you simply don't believe them?.. Also, even without hadith, the ayah of Quran which you avoided hints us of nabi Isa's return. The ayah is located in sura zukhruf 61. Let's hear your view of the ayah.



What's even strange to me is that, many of those who don't believe in the eventual return of nabi Isa(as), believe in appearance of Dajjal. This makes me wonder where exactly is their stance?. We all know Dajjal is 100% evil. When he finally arrives in human form, he would terrorize believers to the point of forcing people to worship him. But his traits precedes his خارجي [khuruj]. My question to those who reject the return of Jesus is, are we gonna be in that damnation and age of fitan forever without divine intervention?.. If Dajjal is to come the implication is their will definitely be divine intervention which is Nabi Isa Ibn Mary'am (alaih salaam).


So the belief that he did not die and will return in the end time is stronger with clear backings from ahadith. That's what I subscribed to.

**I acknowledge brother, but for the Issue of Tafsir needn't be declared as misplaced or imbalance. As a judge, we have a standard, which is the Quran brother. It's the perfect law when Allah perfected His religion for us so IT IS AND WILL NEVER REMAIN SILENT ON ANY ISSUE OF MAN.
Moreover, none of the tafsir was credited to myself. They are works of respected scholars of faith like Jawsi, Ragib, Tabari etc (may Allah have mercy on them).


ON SURAH AZ-ZUKHRUF, Verse 61:
وَإِنَّهُ لَعِلْمٌ لِّلسَّاعَةِ فَلَا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِهَا وَاتَّبِعُونِ هَٰذَا صِرَاطٌ مُّسْتَقِيمٌ

And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path.

Let me make somethings clear brother. Allah is the perfect in all raminifications​, including His creation.

*He created Adam a.s without any support (from parents) while IN OPPOSITE, he creates other human with support of human.

* He created Hawau a.s from a man WHILE IN OPPOSITE, he creates Isa a.s from a woman
etc.

*In the Quran, the mention of daylight equals the number of nights, etc.

There, in the verse, Allah was explaining the signs of His, telling the Christians he a.s is nothing but mortal with no exceptional attribute than the other prophets, and like the other prophets, they are signs of the hour being that the doctrine will be most pronounce.

However, Allah made His plan of DEBUNKING THE CLAIM THROUGH THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH OF THE LAST HOUR. According to the holy Prophet pbuh, the messiah is to break the Cross (refute the arguments not Jesus). HOW DO YOU EXPECT THE MESSIAH TO ACHIEVE THIS REFUTATION WITHOUT DIVINE GUIDANCE FROM ALLAH AND ALSO RECEIVING DIVINE GUIDANCE FROM ALLAH IS ALSO A SYMBOL OF PROPHETHOOD.

You can check back my explanation on DAJJAL above as I said it's an ideology. I'll repost for convenience.

Empiree:
So what's the point of all your arguments if indeed you acknowledged here that he, nabi Muhammad(saw), was the SEAL OF PROPHETHOOD?.

That's the point of arguments before the issue of nabi isa (as) back and forth since.


Definition of Seal. Seal is verb in that sentence

The point of argument is on various things that makes some muslims ignorantly takfir others, and it include Jihad, DAJJAL, Kattaman nabiyyin, death of Isa a.s.
Alhamdulillah, you haven't categorically refute any of my Quotations, you keep ignoring the points and picking up distractions, and I'll continue to do justice to it from Quran Insha'Allah.

Of course, brother, you are right of the definitions. No doubt words have different definitions as it's common in languages. We're to look at the one that makes the most sense.

Sincerely, of the 3, the one that appeals to common sense is the one with the example that says the King places an emblem or seal to authenticate / perfect it from the others.

The others are clearly applicable to inanimate, sealing an object or metal etc

You're yet to refute the quotation above from the Quran and Hadith bro.

Let me add another from an Hadith of the Prophet pbuh, where he was reported to have said if Musa a.s, son of mata and Isa a.s son of Mariam WERE ALIVE, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN MY FOLLOWER.


Which of the favour of Allah will you Twain deny?

The Quran is explicit enough "
ذَٰلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لَا رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ

This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt (ambiguity), to those who fear Allah;".

Empiree:
Besides, the greatest honor conferred on him(saw) is in barzakh and on Qiyama which nabi Isa does not have

The greatest honour conferred on him pbuh is the SEAL OF PROPHETHOOD as its explained in one of the Hadith that he pbuh was reported to have said he's pbuh is just like a brick missing in between a wall, which if not fixed, the wall crumbles. If fixed, it grants /and confers rigidity, beauty, strength and perfection to the wall (pbuh).

It's no doubt because of this perfect attribute that Allah and His angels invoke blessings on his blessed nature and also instructed that "sollu allaihi wasalim teslima"

That indeed is a great honour in this life and the next Insha'Allah.

Empiree:
Besides, the greatest honor conferred on him(saw) is in barzakh and on Qiyama which nabi Isa does not have

The greatest respect you can give your prophet is to belittle him in front of non muslims because if you asked about Isa a.s and you claimed he's in heaven while your beloved Prophet pbuh is under the earth buried, then you are asked who is most favoured, the one in a state of comfort with his Lord or beneath the ground?

Another verse used as claim by scholars is Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 117:

“I did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I WAS A WITNESS OF THEM SO LONG AS I WAS AMONG THEM, BUT WHEN THOU DIDST CAUSE ME TO DIE, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things”.


Regarding the above, The Holy ProphetSAW said:

"On the day of Qiyamat some people of my Ummat would be taken towards Hell. Then I shall say, `O my Lord! these are my companions', Then it would be said! `thou don't know what they innovated after thee'. THEN, I SHALL SAY AS THE RIGHTEOUS SERVANT said: `I WAS A WITNESS over them AS LONG AS I REMAINED AMONG THEM, BUT SINCE THOU DIDST CAUSE ME TO DIE, THOU HAST BEEN THE WATCHER OVER THEM.’” (bukhari kitabul tafseer, vol. 3, p. 79, vol. ii, p. 159).

If ISA a.s was to descend after, the prophet s.a.w won’t use such statement because it won’t represent the same meaning. Also, if ISA a.s was to descend bodily to the earth, he must have seen that his people are worshipping him and his mother so he won’t tell lie to God that he’s not aware.

• Elucidating the last verses of Sura Ma'idah, Hazrat Mohyuddin Ibn Arabi writes: I was overseeing them and looking after them as well as teaching them as long as I remained among them but when You caused me to die then You alone were the watcher and keeper over them following my death, You were present and exist, otherwise this could not have taken place. (Tafseer alQuran vol. 1, Page 354)

• Sheikh Muhyiddin ibn Arabi says: Ilyas is in reality Idrees who preceeded Noah, and Allah raised him to a high place, he is the prophet whom Allah raised to heaven after he was separated from his body and his relation with the material world was cut. (Fusus al Hikam, Fass 4, page 4546).

• Hazrat Mohyuddin Ibn Arabi states:"Ba Raf'a e Isa, peace be upon him, it is meant that his soul ascended to heaven. As it is essential for his soul to return to his real place or ultimate place of rest... (Tafsir ul Quran Vol 1 Page 296)

Crescentholm:
To buttress the verses above, an authentic narration of the prophet pbuh
Regarding the above quoted verse (3:145), relates that:

"when the Holy Prophet S.A.W died, the companions became stupefied with grief. Hadhrat Umar r.a, of all persons, was so afflicted by grief that he unsheathed his sword and declared that whosoever said the Holy Prophet S.A.W was dead would lose his head. He began to say that the Holy Prophet S.A.W had disappeared temporarily from their midst, even as Hadhrat Moses A.S had disappeared on a call from God. Hadhrat Moses A.S returned to his people after forty days, so would the Holy Prophet SAW. None of the companions dared to resist and deny what he said.

Imam Bukhari reports:

"Abdullah Bin Abbas narrated that Abu Bakr came out while Umar was conversing with the people. He said to Umar to sit but he refused to comply with. So, the people turned towards him (Abu Bakr) and left Umar. Then Abu Bakr said: Whoever amongst you worshipped Muhammad, let him know that Muhammad is dead, and whoever amongst you worshipped Allah, let him know that Allah is Living, there is no death for Him. Allah has said: `And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers have passed away before him...'

The narrator says, by God, it was as if the people did not know that God had sent down this verse until Abu Bakr has recited it. So, the people in their entirety learnt it from him; then, whosoever amongst the people heard it recited it. Then Saeed Bin Musayyeb has told me, that Umar swearing by God said, it was as if he did not know of this verse till he heard it from Abu Bakr, and consequently his legs could not support him, he staggered and fell down in an outburst of grief." (Bukhari Kitabun Nabiyye Ila Kisra Wa Qaisara, Musnad Imam Abu Hanifa, p. 188, Hamamul Islamiyya, p. 54, Bukhari, Vol. 2, Manaqib Abu Bakr)

Now, if the companions present on this occasion thought that Hadhrat Jesus A.S had been alive in Heaven for 600 years, they would have stood up and pointed out to Hadhrat Abu Bakrra, that it was wrong to say that all the earlier prophets had died. If Hadhrat Jesus A.S could remain alive, why not the Holy Prophet S.A.W? All the companions who heard this verse (3:145) and heard Hadhrat Abu Bakr r.a's argument based upon the verse, not only remained silent but began to rejoice over it and went about the town reciting it. This proves beyond doubt that the companions agreed with Hadhrat Abu Bakr's r.a interpretation of the verse that all prophets before the Holy Prophet SAW had died.

To buttress this,
• HAZRAT IMAM IBN QAYYIM says:

"And what is asserted about the Messiah that he was carried towards heaven at the age of 33 years has not been supported by any Hadith and cannot, therefore, win our conviction". (Zad ul Maad vol. 1, page 84)

Since you claimed I seem to be getting it wrong, can you sincerely state your view on the above.

Are the quotations correct or wrong?

Is the message also ambiguous?

Empiree:
Besides, the greatest honor conferred on him(saw) is in barzakh and on Qiyama which nabi Isa does not have

If you claimed I didn't honour him, it seems you have to spell out the translation of "sallallahu alai wa sallam", because PBUH that I used after his name means "Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him".

**If you claimed Isa a.s didn't finish his mission, what was his mission?

If you claim it's to debunk the Jewish claim, firstly, when did the Jew made the claim, during his life or after?

The same happens to all prophets as it's seen in the scripture or history, let's pick a scenario from that of the Prophet pbuh. After his demise, there were many mishap regarding religion. He even foretold some before his death because similar things happened to previous prophet. Then isn't there a need to return to rejustify and debunk such mishaps?

Crescentholm:
LET ME JUSTIFY THE DEATH OF ISA a.s FROM THIS AUTHENTIC NARRATIONS WITHOUT AMBIGUITY.

**Another verse of the Holy Quran runs thus:

"And Muhammad is only a Messenger. VERILY, (ALL) MESSENGERS HAVE PASSED AWAY BEFORE HIM. If then he die or be slain, will you turn your back on your heels?" (3:145)

In this verse of the Holy Quran the passing away of all the Messengers who came before the Holy Prophet S.A.W has been pronounced; and the passing away has been adjudged only in two ways--either by death or through assassination. Had there been any third way of passing away (like that of ascending to heaven) it should have been mentioned by God.

As a matter of fact this verse (3:145) has been revealed specifically to declare the death of Hadhrat Jesus A.S, as the passing away of other Messengers had already been mentioned in 5:76 wherein Allah says:

"The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely MESSENGERS LIKE UNTO HIM HAD INDEED PASSED AWAY BEFORE HIM. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food."

It is an admitted fact that the ceasing of Mary's eating was due to her death, hence, on the same analogy, the ceasing of Hadhrat Jesus' A.S eating too was due to his death, as both have been mentioned equally.

To buttress the verses above, an authentic narration of the prophet pbuh
Regarding the above quoted verse (3:145), relates that:

"when the Holy Prophet S.A.W died, the companions became stupefied with grief. Hadhrat Umar r.a, of all persons, was so afflicted by grief that he unsheathed his sword and declared that whosoever said the Holy Prophet S.A.W was dead would lose his head. He began to say that the Holy Prophet S.A.W had disappeared temporarily from their midst, even as Hadhrat Moses A.S had disappeared on a call from God. Hadhrat Moses A.S returned to his people after forty days, so would the Holy Prophet SAW. None of the companions dared to resist and deny what he said.

Imam Bukhari reports:

"Abdullah Bin Abbas narrated that Abu Bakr came out while Umar was conversing with the people. He said to Umar to sit but he refused to comply with. So, the people turned towards him (Abu Bakr) and left Umar. Then Abu Bakr said: Whoever amongst you worshipped Muhammad, let him know that Muhammad is dead, and whoever amongst you worshipped Allah, let him know that Allah is Living, there is no death for Him. Allah has said: `And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers have passed away before him...'

The narrator says, by God, it was as if the people did not know that God had sent down this verse until Abu Bakr has recited it. So, the people in their entirety learnt it from him; then, whosoever amongst the people heard it recited it. Then Saeed Bin Musayyeb has told me, that Umar swearing by God said, it was as if he did not know of this verse till he heard it from Abu Bakr, and consequently his legs could not support him, he staggered and fell down in an outburst of grief." (Bukhari Kitabun Nabiyye Ila Kisra Wa Qaisara, Musnad Imam Abu Hanifa, p. 188, Hamamul Islamiyya, p. 54, Bukhari, Vol. 2, Manaqib Abu Bakr)

Now, if the companions present on this occasion thought that Hadhrat Jesus A.S had been alive in Heaven for 600 years, they would have stood up and pointed out to Hadhrat Abu Bakrra, that it was wrong to say that all the earlier prophets had died. If Hadhrat Jesus A.S could remain alive, why not the Holy Prophet S.A.W? All the companions who heard this verse (3:145) and heard Hadhrat Abu Bakr r.a's argument based upon the verse, not only remained silent but began to rejoice over it and went about the town reciting it. This proves beyond doubt that the companions agreed with Hadhrat Abu Bakr's r.a interpretation of the verse that all prophets before the Holy Prophet SAW had died.

To buttress this,
• HAZRAT IMAM IBN QAYYIM says:

"And what is asserted about the Messiah that he was carried towards heaven at the age of 33 years has not been supported by any Hadith and cannot, therefore, win our conviction". (Zad ul Maad vol. 1, page 84)

Crescentholm:
ANGELS
.."He sleep not nor does He slumbers..."
#2. Angels are another creation of Allah s.w.t. Allah described their make and model in several places in the Quran but never includes eat in anywhere.

#3. The Israh (spiritual night journey) and Miraj was never in the physical sense. Because an Hadith that relate the journey shows it wasn't physical (you can read in bukhari or Muslim, kitabul Miraj), Just like in a state of subconsciousness / sleep. When you dream while in sleep, you do many things that you can't do ordinarily, even visit imaginary places. Have you ever felt hungry in such subconsciousness to the extent of getting something to eat within?

Why will a patient in comma (or in vegetative state) state of subconsciousness can or will remain for years, some, decades and still comes back to consciousness? IS THERE ANY LAW BREAKING IN THAT?
THE BODY NEVER TAKING AWAY, AND IT STILL RESPONDS TO EXTERNAL/ ENVIRONMENTAL STIMULUS?

During the prophet's pbuh Israh and Miraj, was it ever recorded that his body was missing?

It was reported that at a very tender age, Allah sent Angels, who Pierce the heart of Muhammad and cleanse it with the purest of water. Did anyone see any scare of the piercing or did anyone witness it physical?

BUT ANY PHYSICAL LIFTING as you claimed in that of Isa a.s IS AGAINST ALLAH'S LAW AND RULE (of creation on Earth, death on Earth and Resurrection on earth) WHICH IN HIS MAGNIFICENCE, CAN NEVER BREAK BECAUSE HE CREATED THE WORLD, AND KNEW EVERYTHING BEFORE IT HAPPENS, HE SHOULDN'T BE SCARED OF THE JEWS AND CHANGE IT. That is fiction and blasphemous.

LET ME JUSTIFY THE DEATH OF ISA a.s FROM THIS AUTHENTIC NARRATIONS WITHOUT AMBIGUITY.

**Another verse of the Holy Quran runs thus:

"And Muhammad is only a Messenger. VERILY, ALL MESSENGERS HAVE PASSED AWAY BEFORE HIM. If then he die or be slain, will you turn your back on your heels?" (3:145)

In this verse of the Holy Quran the passing away of all the Messengers who came before the Holy Prophet S.A.W has been pronounced; and the passing away has been adjudged only in two ways--either by death or through assassination. Had there been any third way of passing away (like that of ascending to heaven) it should have been mentioned by God.

As a matter of fact this verse (3:145) has been revealed specifically to declare the death of Hadhrat Jesus A.S, as the passing away of other Messengers had already been mentioned in 5:76 wherein Allah says:

"The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely MESSENGERS LIKE UNTO HIM HAD INDEED PASSED AWAY BEFORE HIM. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food."

It is an admitted fact that the ceasing of Mary's eating was due to her death, hence, on the same analogy, the ceasing of Hadhrat Jesus' A.S eating too was due to his death, as both have been mentioned equally.

Crescentholm:
(WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF AS POSSIBLE ALSO)
As for DAJJAL,
It's an idea, never a being. The prophet pbuh was giving an analogy to his companions on DAJJAL just like a human, as it's a practice, even in the Quran also where prophecies are related using animals or inanimate objects as analogy.

An example, is where Allah severally likens believers to a person with sight while a disbeliever to a blind. DOES THAT MEAN ALL DISBELIEVERS ARE BLIND?

or where Allah likens a sincere good deeds to a farmer growing on a fertile land while an hypocrite deeds is just like a farmer planting on a rocky surface which washes off when wind blows or during the rain. IS THE DEEDS OF A BELIEVER A FARM OR IT PRODUCE?

In such scenario, Muhammad pbuh likened DAJJAL to a human with a blind right eye, while his left is open (meaning, things/ideology/practices that ignores the good and up take the evil practices). The word DAJJAL is gotten from the Arabic word "DAJALA", Meaning: "DECEPTION". So any practice or ideology that is against the good practices (as enjoined in the Quran and Sunnah) no doubt is deception and it metaphorically closes it's eye at the good and open it toward evil.

ANGELS
.."He sleep not nor does He slumbers..."
#2. Angels are another creation of Allah s.w.t. Allah described their make and model in several places in the Quran but never includes eat in anywhere.

#3. The Israh (spiritual night journey) and Miraj was never in the physical sense. Because an Hadith that relate the journey shows it wasn't physical (you can read in bukhari or Muslim, kitabul Miraj), Just like in a state of subconsciousness / sleep. When you dream while in sleep, you do many things that you can't do ordinarily, even visit imaginary places. Have you ever felt hungry in such subconsciousness to the extent of getting something to eat within?

Why will a patient in comma (or in vegetative state) state of subconsciousness can or will remain for years, some, decades and still comes back to consciousness? IS THERE ANY LAW BREAKING IN THAT?
SINCE THE BODY NEVER TAKING AWAY AND IT STILL RESPONDS TO EXTERNAL/ ENVIRONMENTAL STIMULUS like air, etc. (because the soul is not separated from the body) IT REMAIN ALIVE.

During the prophet's pbuh Israh and Miraj, was it ever recorded that his body was missing?

It was reported that at a very tender age, Allah sent Angels, who Pierce the heart of Muhammad and cleanse it with the purest of water. Did anyone see any scare of the piercing or did anyone witness it physical?

BUT ANY PHYSICAL LIFTING as you claimed in that of Isa a.s IS AGAINST ALLAH'S LAW AND RULE (of creation on Earth, death on Earth and Resurrection on earth, eating and drinking, and dependence on other earthly features like air, etc) WHICH IN HIS MAGNIFICENCE, CAN NEVER BREAK BECAUSE HE CREATED THE WORLD, AND KNEW EVERYTHING BEFORE IT HAPPENS, HE SHOULDN'T BE SCARED OF THE JEWS AND CHANGE IT. That is fiction and blasphemous.

Crescentholm:
Starting from the statement that Allah is not bound by His laws, Remember, He is "AL-HAQ", (the truthful) and the controller. The fact that He's stable, not changing and as well keep changing in His practice of stability when He's unable to change the scenario of His being is a blasphemy against His supremacy.

WHY BREAK THE RULE AT FIRST?
Let's give a scenario of Muhammad pbuh, who lost his supportive wife (Khadija r.a) and Uncle at a very crucial time. He and his followers werr faced with almost overwhelming persecution for 13years, pelted with stones, boycotted to extent that they had to take shelter and run away from their property and home for fear of being killed and in response to the instructions of their Lord. Is that not inline with Q2: 214:
...do you think that you shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? THEY ENCOUNTERED SUFFERING AND ADVERSITY, and were so SHAKEN IN SPIRIT that even the Messenger and those of faith who were with him CRIED: "WHEN (WILL COME) THE HELP OF ALLAH?" Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near!


Prophet Suleiman a.s faced his trial when his look was interchanged. Ayuba a.s faced Ilness, Musa a.s faced several trials before he was successful, Ibrahim a.s also faced his just like other prophet of Allah and they all completed their missions. Why was the reverse the case for Isa a.s?

Even if anyone deserves a special treatment, it would have been the master of Man, Muhammad Mustapha wa Mujtaba. How unfortunate you belittle his standard.

Allah (astagfurullah) was afraid Isa a.s will be killed, so he just took him off to heaven to save the day while other prophets are left to their own fate is nothing but a pre-planned fiction and Injustice (whereas, Allah is the just).

(WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF AS POSSIBLE ALSO)
As for DAJJAL,
It's an idea, never a mortal. The prophet pbuh was giving an analogy to his companions on DAJJAL just like a human, as it's a practice, even in the Quran also where prophecies are related using animals or inanimate objects as analogy.

An example, is where Allah severally likens believers to a person with sight while a disbeliever to a blind. DOES THAT MEAN ALL DISBELIEVERS ARE BLIND?

or where Allah likens a sincere good deeds to a farmer growing on a fertile land while an hypocrite deeds is just like a farmer planting on a rocky surface which washes off when wind blows or during the rain. IS THE DEEDS OF A BELIEVER A FARM OR IT PRODUCE?

In such scenario, Muhammad pbuh likened DAJJAL to a human with a blind right eye, while his left is open (meaning, things/ideology/practices that ignores the good and up take the evil practices).

Moreover, The word DAJJAL is gotten from the Arabic word "DAJALA", Meaning: "DECEPTION". So any practice or ideology that is against the good practices (as enjoined in the Quran and Sunnah) no doubt is deception and it metaphorically closes it's eye at the good and open it toward evil.

Empiree:
i wanted to give you detail references from Quran what it means by "samawat", but i rather not inundate you with epistle. It is your opinion to translate samawat to "heaven". I won't argue on gramma. So let's keep it simple. Will give you example of Dajjal

Dajjal according to various ahadith is alive, nabi (saw) described his human attributes which suggests his is human being. But right now, we can't see him but he lives. Why we can't see him if he is human?. The reason is bcus he is in another samawat but we will be able to see him with our material eyes ONLY when he is in dimension of time and space.


Example #2, Jinkind and Angels are in another samawat is the reason we can't see them. When you are in the masjid praying with other muslims, or you are with your family eating at the dinner table, or in lecture room with other students, Jinn and Angels are there with you right?. But you can not see them. Why bcus they are in different samawat (another dimension of space and time).



Example #3, a devout muslim, usually musin, waliy or whatever you call them, who is drunk in dhikr like salat for instance, your attention is no longer in the environment. You are gone to different samawat. example is S. Ali and S.Umar(ra). This can be proven from hadith where Jibril(as) appeared to nabi and his companions.


Nabi Muhammad(saw) was taken up in miraj, how did he survive if not by Allah's permission?.


In the same way, nabi Isa(as) is in another samawat i:e, in another dimension of space and time. He is longer in our material universe.




This ayah is only meant to establish proof that humans are created for earth. Is has little or nothing to do with this. And Isa and every one of us will emerge from us earth later bcus Isa (as) himself will be buried according to authentic hadith unless you can prove to us where is qabr is




I guess explanation above clears the air. And yes, Allah is not bound by his Laws. He(azal wajal) is fahalmoyurid



When Allah made Ashab kahf slept for 300years, without their body decomposed, that's breaking the law of nature. When Allah took nabi Muhammad(saw) with his body and soul through journey of isra and miraj, did he contradict Himself because, according to "law of nature", human cannot survive in that samawat the prophet went


The reason i don't want to inundate you with epistle is, it would require me to talk exclusively about number of years bcus Quran says 1 day in the sight of Allah can be 1000yrs, 50,000 respectively, just to be give an example. So only Allah can do all these. He is not bound by His Laws.

Starting from the statement that Allah is not bound by His laws, Remember, He is "AL-HAQ", (the truthful) and the controller. The fact that He's stable, not changing and as well keep changing in His practice of stability when He's unable to change the scenario of His being is a blasphemy against His supremacy.

WHY BREAK THE RULE AT FIRST?
Let's give a scenario of Muhammad pbuh, who lost his supportive wife (Khadija r.a) and Uncle at a very crucial time. He and his followers were faced with almost overwhelming persecution for 13years, pelted with stones, boycotted to extent that they had to take shelter and run away from their property and home for fear of being killed and in response to the instructions of their Lord. Is that not inline with Q2: 214:
...do you think that you shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? THEY ENCOUNTERED SUFFERING AND ADVERSITY, and were so SHAKEN IN SPIRIT that even the Messenger and those of faith who were with him CRIED: "WHEN (WILL COME) THE HELP OF ALLAH?" Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near!

Furthermore, Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 155:

And most certainly SHALL WE TRY YOU BY MEANS OF DANGER, AND HUNGER, AND LOSS OF WORLDLY GOODS, OF LIVES AND OF [LABOUR'S] FRUITS. But give glad tidings unto those who are patient in adversity".


Prophet Suleiman a.s faced his trial when his look was interchanged. Ayuba a.s faced Illness, Musa a.s faced tormenting trials that he left is town, Ibrahim a.s also faced his just like other prophet of Allah and they all completed their missions having extraordinary success. Why was the reverse the case for Isa a.s?

Even if anyone deserves a special treatment, it would have been the master of Man, Muhammad Mustapha wa Mujtaba. How unfortunate you belittle his standard.

Allah (astagfurullah) was afraid Isa a.s will be killed, so he just took him off to heaven to save the day while other prophets are left to their own fate is nothing but a pre-planned fiction and Injustice (whereas, Allah is the just).

Empiree:
The possible and reasonable answer is what i gave earlier and that is, he is not in our dimension of space and time. He is in another samawat.

How do you know you are in another samawat?



the reasonable answer is, worshipping Allah. That's the reasonable answer far as i am concerned

***Worshipping Allah? whereas, Allah categorically declared in Q77:25-26 that:
"...the Earth has been made as an abode for the living and the dead (mortals)"

5. Isn't Isa a.s presence in heaven against the above?


***Also, Allah says in Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 75:
مَّا الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلَّا رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدِّيقَةٌ كَانَا يَأْكُلَانِ الطَّعَامَ انظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الْآيَاتِ ثُمَّ انظُرْ أَنَّىٰ يُؤْفَكُونَ

The Christ, son of Mary, WAS BUT AN apostle (messenger): ALL [OTHER] APOSTLES HAD PASSED AWAY BEFORE HIM; and his mother was one who never deviated from the truth; and THEY BOTH ATE FOOD [like other mortals]. Behold how clear We make these messages unto them: and then behold how perverted are their minds!


6. What will Isa a.s eat in heaven brother being the only mortal there?

Empiree:
Smh akhi, the ayah i gave was simply analogy....to tell you that when Allah mentioned "maut" is not always denotes complete total death bcus there is another meaning for "maut" which i cited earlier. Only Allah knows the current state of nabi Isa (as). What we know is, he is not dead yet. He will taste maut (when soul will not return to his body) AFTER his mission is accomplished at his second return.


Right now, nabi Isa(as) is not in our dimension of space and time. He is in another samawat, which means you can not say he is sleeping. That's very wrong sir.

Seems you mentioned "..in another samawat (heaven)..." ( correct me if it's a misinterpretation please).

But remember that Of the creation of Allah s.w.t, human is bond to remain in the universe as any other location of existence for human is debunked by Allah Himself in the verse below. Allah can never tell a lie or contradict Himself. I’ll appreciate you can quote any contrary location for human from the Quran.

*** The second clarification I need from you brother is from the ayah that Allah says to Adam a.s that:
"... fiha ta yahunaha, fiha tamutunna, wamin ha tuhrajun"
Meaning:
"..on the Earth you emerge (created), on it shall you die, and on it shall you be risen (for judgement).”

Q3. Did Allah contradict Himself by breaking his law and take Isa a.s to heaven?

4. Was there any need for breaking the law at the first place, after all prophet are meant to face hardship as Allah promised below:
Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 214:
أَمْ حَسِبْتُمْ أَن تَدْخُلُوا الْجَنَّةَ وَلَمَّا يَأْتِكُم مَّثَلُ الَّذِينَ خَلَوْا مِن قَبْلِكُم مَّسَّتْهُمُ الْبَأْسَاءُ وَالضَّرَّاءُ وَزُلْزِلُوا حَتَّىٰ يَقُولَ الرَّسُولُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مَعَهُ مَتَىٰ نَصْرُ اللَّهِ أَلَا إِنَّ نَصْرَ اللَّهِ قَرِيبٌ

Or do you think that you shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? they encountered suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that even the Messenger and those of faith who were with him cried: "When (will come) the help of Allah?" Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near!

Why is Isa a.s an exception?

Empiree:
Smh akhi, the ayah i gave was simply analogy....to tell you that when Allah mentioned "maut" is not always denotes complete total death bcus there is another meaning for "maut" which i cited earlier. Only Allah knows the current state of nabi Isa (as). What we know is, he is not dead yet. He will taste maut (when soul will not return to his body) AFTER his mission is accomplished at his second return.


Right now, nabi Isa(as) is not in our dimension of space and time. He is in another samawat, which means you can not say he is sleeping. That's very wrong sir.

Ok brother. Allah is all knowing, but we have just 2 meaning to maut according to the Quran, which I believe he's in either of it because he's a human.
Though will appreciate if you could enlighten me on other meanings of maut.

Where is he?
Doing what?

Empiree:
Why did you choose to complicate yourself over a very simple topic?

Of course it's a simple topic that need clarification so, to avoid contradiction or unnecessary confusion, I will appreciate your answers to the simple questions pushed to you please brother.

1. Is Isa a.s in a state of sleep?

2. If yes, where is he having the sleep?