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Sacrilege! Star Trek lacks the sense of fun and adventure that Star Wars has, the aliens are too human and the plots too corporate and clinical. Action wise Star Trek is spectacularly cheesy to watch, the hammer fists, duck and phaser fire etc, Even so I enjoy Star Trek to some degree, at least there's hundreds of hrs to watch from TV whereas with Star Wars if you total the films and the cartoons, well much less to see. Star Trek has the cool transporter technology, holodecks, Hyperspace looks way cooler than warp drive, lightsabres are far more showy than any Star Trek melee weapons. I will say I like persistent beams, which Star Trek is full of, Star Wars the majority of their lasers are shots not bursts, Both have their ups and downs, Star Trek uniforms suck though!

Anyway if the legendary rivalries between SW and Trekkies is true I hope you have a FTL transport for posting Star Trek > Star Wars

I can't trust the research here from some you guys if you can't even spell the names of the characters right! (Obi ONE?!)

My knowledge of Star Wars outside of the films isn't that vast so I am going mainly by the movies as my reference. It's said Mace is the greatest with the lightsabre, certainly on the big screen I'd say Yoda deserves that title by a long shot. Mace however had a very composed style, very different to how it's described verbally, it's made out to be a very wild style that's lightning fast, if anything it was slow paced but very efficient, like Darth Vader's who certainly was stronger than Luke and Obi-Wan (People seem to think he's weaker as a cyborg, well slower definitely but if anything he certainly uses the Force more rather than Yoda style acrobatics in this form, definitely much stronger and tougher too with that armour on)

I will conclude it would go to Yoda, Grievous or Mace, Palpatine got lucky and if he didn't have his troops about Yoda could have finished the job. Yoda also could have killed that Count Dracula, he should have done. Grievous was the greatest warrior of the galaxy and Obi-Wan got lucky, he certainly didn't win in a straight fight, just as with his battle with Anakin, Obi-Wan picked up a blaster to kill Grievous and Anakin had the upper hand for most of their fight, just throwing it away at the end, Conveniently his legs dismembered so they grafted metal ones to make him half a foot taller (Why didn't they just cast a young man as tall as David Prowse?) The 3 Jedi 'masters' with Mace that came to arrest Emperor really were hopeless but he sure is a freak, I'd feel sick just meeting him! (Unlike most people I imagine I watched the old trilogy in reverse order btw, I sure hated the Emperor and I made Luke's mistake in underestimating him, I didn't think he could blast lightning!)

As for Luke, he really was poor in Empire Strikes Back, like his dad at his age he was a mess, he put up a nice fight but was owned alright, how the tables had turned so dramatically in ROTJ I don't think is possible. I'm sure Vader really didn't try to best him at all, watch how open Luke was in his rage! Vader sidesteps cleanly as one would in Virtua Fighter 3 or any beat em up that used a dodge button but rather strike his son down, pin him down or whatever he just gets down on one knee and holds his weapon out for Luke to strike him down! For me Vader didn't fight anywhere near as hard as he did in ESB, he did a neat throw of his sabre though, Luke definitely was a force to be reckoned with in that final film in any case. What I do like about Vader is how he fights mostly one handed unlike most Jedi, it shows good technique with a blade (Minus a few sloppy swings here and there )

Darth Maul duel wise yes he's good but force power no. Dooku is pretty good, considering he was an Apprentice who has mastered the Force and the sabre to a high level, Well it didn't save him from Anakin in the end and Anakin did quite well in their first encounter, all things considered. (Notice Dooku seemed tired after he beat him whereas Obi-Wan never made any impact on him!) Why Qui-Gon is mentioned at all here is a mystery, his only good point and bad was bringing Anakin to the Jedi, he wasn't a great Jedi at all! If a Sith apprentice beat him then he couldn't have been so great could he? (He did get a tasty fist into Maul's face at least) Why they wrote that he discovered how to live beyond death I have no idea, he showed no great aptitude in the force at all in that shoddy Phantom Menace.

All in all, Yoda, Mace, Grievous, Luke and Vader/Anakin are at the exceptional level, Yoda's sheer agility, Mace's affinity with attack and defence, Grievous the Jedi slayer, Luke's rapid advancement from his late training to facing his father 'Powerful Jedi is he, ' as Yoda described him, Vader himself, well he is the central character to the movies after all. How he bested one as adept as Dooku at such a young age, saved the day (and that scheming Palpatine) and still be branded a padawan, It is tragic, for good reasons yes but if someone demonstrates they're superior than their seniors so early and are kept in their place is enough to make anyone mad! (How many of the Jedi council were able to beat Dooku? Not many I bet)

Obi-Wan's more a defence fighter, I think Dooku being Qui-Gon's master had a negative effect on him in their fights as he always loses easily to him but was able to fight Grievous better than most. Dooku and Maul looked good on camera but as they were beaten squarely they can't really be elevated that high. Palpatine did not beat Yoda outright and I do think Mace was beating him legitimately so I won't put him up there. Qui-Gon, He lost to the weakest mentioned here didn't he! (I knew he dies in the movie before I watched it sadly, if I didn't I'd be shocked. He was actually holding his own against Maul without useless padawan to assist him so how that one knock ended it for him is a shame)