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Abby is my favorite character in the game because she stood up for her father's death...

Killing Joel was how reality works, if you kill you get killed too...


The past came hunting Joel and got him, I see no reason why fans hate Abby so much when many people would find a way to do same if they were in her shoes...


Didn't fancy the Ellie character because she had no understanding of anything she was just blinded by revenge which of cause can be said to be normal for humans.


Abby was smarter and way stronger but as the game writers would have it they needed to make the fans happy so they made sure Ellie won the last fight but didn't kill Abby...


The Last of Us 2 is not just a game for fun, it's a powerful education to all

johnydon22:
Connect the dots for me how you got the conclusion "There is God" from surviving ruptured appendix. I don't know, but that seems like quite a stretch.

I suffered appendix rupture 2014 at home as early as after 7 in the morning, slowly the pain rose in few minutes into very uncomfortable pain that I couldn't stand, everyone at home got worried and I was rushed out to the general hospital, the pain increased every step till I began filling like my heart was being filled up with what I don't know, it was a long drive to the hospital and after getting to the general hospital, the nurses there were the lousiest things I have ever seen, they didn't care they just said I should be put on a bed while still in pain, thank God my mum was with me, they asked her to go do registration and other various stuff before they could attend to me, I was in pain for hours before they decided to inject me with whatever that calmed my nerves but not the pain or damage inside me.

From that morning till about 2pm before they moved me for surgery and in the surgery room while I laid they very uncomfortable and almost dying the doctors were busy opening fridge and drink malt, I was later taken in and operated on before I was moved to a ward...


Trust me brother, the hours I spent in pain was enough to quench my life but I didn't die, I do not see that as a natural thing, I believe God saved my life that day, I spent a week in the hospital... Bro the point here is that, I don't think it was normal to survive that long with such pain I felt that day, I felt like my inside was dissolving in acid rapidly.


Johnydon, God works in ways we never expect, sometimes things you overlook as random and regular has got God's hand at work bro

johnydon22:
And risk oversimplifying my position? No. Thanks. Answers I give sufficiently represent my position.


You are human and you are intelligent [I assume] so guide me on this path to seeing God. It should not be that difficult, in your own words "The existence of God kinda surrounds us"

Honestly don't even know where to start, is it my survival of ruptured appendix and that left me with hours of pain yet didn't die or is it my life that had no direction until a simple vision changed that?

Perhaps you are right, our inability to understand the complexity of the God figure and sophistication of things made is the reason for our position that God does not exist. Or maybe, an even more likely possibility here is, your inability to understand the complexity and sophistications of things in existence is precisely the reason you think God exists.

it appears we are all in same box but with different escape plan

I believe that was the last question. Udoji2021

Udoji2021

which of the scriptures is to be trusted? I don't understand this question

Udoji2021

Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?


Believing in Christ is not by words but by actions and reactions...

Your actions do more speaking than your words because on the last day your actions will be judged, they will be tested by fire


1corinthians 3v13

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.



Don't be surprised if people who never went to church made heaven... Good honest works done to fellow men speaks better things than hypocritical sermons on a Sunday

Udoji2021

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.


Let me ask you, do you think everybody living today deserves a good life after death?

johnydon22:
Would you prefer I just shut up and believe it? You know you don't want that



I believe atheism stops at "No God"

You are quite good at avoiding yes or no with diplomatic answers...



The existence of God kinda surrounds us but maybe you should relax a little on those tight intelligence and analysis you give out... The human mind has always had one major difficulty and that is figuring God out or explaining that complex entity.

The inability for atheists or science to understand the complexity of the God figure and the sophistication of things made is the reason for the conclusive answers of God not existing and I completely understand you because even I cannot completely explain or figure out that greater presence called God.

Udoji2021 1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings

There is an written law about life, do on to others what you want them to do to you, so if you do bad to people in order to enjoy life hope you won't be vengeful when others do bad to you so they can enjoy life, I doubt if you would want that.



As for suicide I never jump into conclusion that people who commit suicide will go to hell also when you say can't enjoy life I would say there is no one who can't enjoy life it's just that many find it hard to scale through the challenges in order to arrive at that enjoyment...


As for killing yourself if you can't enjoy life, that's not a wise thing to do... I believe that every man exists for a purpose and until you find that purpose you might continue to struggle hard and never enjoy... Killing one's self is failing to achieve that set purpose. By default a man's purpose is to survive so if you kill yourself you failed the most basic purpose and there could be consequences for that.

johnydon22:
I am open to be shown? Would you want to take up the good work and show me?

come oh Johnny, I really doubt that... I have known you on nairaland for a while now, you will definitely have a defense or fault over anything that mentions God in it...




But I want to know, is it that you don't believe in God or you just believe there is nothing beyond the physical, no supernatural or metaphysical reality?

johnydon22:
It is more likely to be accepted because it is more likely to be true than a long shot.

Text: Obi is a boy

First interpretation: Obi is a male human in his teenage or adolescent or childhood stage.

Your interpretation: There is no Obi at all.

Of course people would accept the first interpretation as it is closer to the text is seeks to break down and aludes to its meaning. Yours ignores the text completely hence more likely to get it wrong.

In other words you are accepting that the Bible is more likely to be true right?

johnydon22:
I would not be as arrogant enough as to claim that, it is the Christian prerogative anyway. Claiming to know that which by definition cannot even be shown to be.

No. We listen to Christians then let them understand the implications of their words. If you think letting you understand the implications of your statement 'turns your words against you' then perhaps you should think about these words more carefully before saying them.

You atheists are funny though...


Wait Do you just take the reality of evil happening around you conclude that God doesn't exist or you have actually made efforts to reach out and found out nothing exists out there beyond physical...

johnydon22:
Lol. Again, interpretations closer to a text is more likely to be correct than ones that completely ignores the text.

You are wrong....


Interpretations closer to a text is more likely to be ACCEPTED than ones that completely ignores the text

johnydon22:
By listening to Christians. Christians define the Christian God. We just spell out the implications of these definitions.

Atheists did not define God as omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenovalent, and omnitemporal, Christians did.

Atheists did not claim God created the cosmos - Christians did.

And the implication of creating the cosmos is that God transcends the cosmos.

This isn't difficult to figure out.

Coming from an atheist you sound like one who knows God...


So basically what atheist do is listen to Christians then turn their words against them right?

johnydon22:
I'm pretty sure one is more likely to be correct by reading those texts literally than the skewed missionary journey you are going with your posts that completely lacks scriptural backing even metaphorically.

The mind of every Christian has been hammered into one direction The Bible, and that includes you an atheist as well, there is more to learn beyond the Bible, up there I mentioned that not everything I will say can be gotten from the Bible because the Bible is a basic directional guide and not there to solve all the world mysteries...

udoji2021:
I will ask my questions when you are through. Just go on, am with you

I will be back

johnydon22:
Technically, this is wrong. God's omniscience is not a magical power to be used as a magical tool every now and then.

By definition, God is transcends the cosmos, this would mean God is beyond space and time. To be beyond space and time would mean from his ventage point, everything, past, present and future are happening at the same time, hence, the ability to know all potentiality: omniscience.

You say you are an atheist how then did you come to this definition about God

johnydon22:
I am guessing you know more about hell than Jesus and Apostle John the beloved (alleged writer of revelation) since both aludes to an enternal nature of hell.

Jesus says in Matthew 25:41: ". . . Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, . . ."

Rev. 14:11: "The smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest, day or night."

I am guessing you are trying a more subtle picture of Christianity to help someone who is apparently dangling the edge of his faith. Why not be very honest with him

There are things in the Bible you don't take literally because they were written in literal expressions but are not literal

johnydon22:
Technically, this is wrong. God's omniscience is not a magical power to be used as a magical tool every now and then.

By definition, God is transcends the cosmos, this would mean God is beyond space and time. To be beyond space and time would mean from his ventage point, everything, past, present and future are happening at the same time, hence, the ability to know all potentiality: omniscience.

I have known you to be an atheist but It's funny how atheists know God so well yet don't believe in his existence...

Udoji2021.

udoji2021:
Understood. But can you be backing this with scriptures? Or am asking too much

alright, just tell me where you want scripture backing... But I must warn, not all answers lie in the Bible and the Bible can be interpreted in multiple falseWays...


There is more than just 66 books, there is more than books

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.


What I would like to tell you about this is that, the church from the old days painted a fire picture of hell in your head so you can pay tithes and offering, hell is a large place with various sections and hell is not actually covered in flames...



On a coming day, some people from hell will have their works tested by fire and if their good works are not consumed (based on how genuine) they will enter the kingdom of God... But the church taught you that if a man does the work of God all his life and in the last minute he sins he will burn in hell forever, that's a bloody lie...


And you were taught that if a man who has spent all his life killing people suddenly repents when he is about to die he will make heaven, well that is a lie too, you know why? Because repentance is the most difficult point for a man to reach and repentance comes to any man by only divine Grace and grace is similar to luck but divine grace is extra ordinary

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?



The question is, does God see it all? Yes and No...

God also has free will... The use of powers is not involuntary, he chooses to, they way we were taught is that God sees everything but they didn't tell you he chooses to see everything...

The ability to see the future is like a mirror for example, or like picking up your phone and choosing to browse the internet.


When God created Adam he gave him freewill and that means he is allowed to be free and live free. You were taught that God knew that man would fail, well God didn't know that man would fail because he made man free and put him in charge of the world.

After God put man in charge on earth, he was constantly going away and coming back according to the Bible.

God had refused to access or peep into man's future days because he wanted to accept what ever outcome his creature brought but he never knew that he would flop too early.

In all logical sense if God had looked into man's future before the fall he would have prevented it but God respected the freewill he had given man. If God was basically ruling man by looking into the future that would be taking away freewill and since he didn't want to take man's freedom he let man live free...


God keeping a tree in that garden and telling man not to touch it was because he didn't want to offer that to man just yet but in time he would have given the tree of knowledge to man... All these plans came to a halt when man suddenly flopped...


God is not playing any game with man like the way people see it... Man is living free and is still living free to this day, every evil happening to us today has nothing to do with God but our actions and reactions

Udoji2021...

Let us start with your first question

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

I can answer all your questions if you can reply this message or create a new thread for us to discuss

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

The problem is not God but what taught you about God

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