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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 6:39pm On Dec 20, 2015
hensben:
You are an "awipe" for rating those two ahead of mou. Enrique that couldn't do jack with Roma or is it pep that's still unable to get bayern to UCL final. Mou won UCL wth Porto. I as a barca coach can win la Liga with Suarez, messi n either hazard or Neymar in my team. Nuff said.
It's been 5 and half years since mourinho led a team to the ucl final. He's coached 2 biggest teams, yet he never played a ucl final.

Mourinho has lost touch with current trend. His tactics have been found out by all teams (big and small).

I can't remember Pep or Enrique being sacked recently, but we all know Mourinho has been sacked twice in 3 years.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Debroslink: 6:31pm On Dec 20, 2015
capricornian:
Surprisingly I also believe that the standard of EPL is nose diving rather than smaller teams getting better.
And Manchester United is the face of EPL's downfall. Hell, a club that housed Ronaldo, Scholes and Nistelrooy now boasts of the likes of Feliani and Young under their possession.

From Stam, Rio and Vidic to Blind, Rojo and Smallings,

how are the mighty fallen!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 6:25pm On Dec 20, 2015
10-2

Damn! It's matches like this Ronaldo flaunts his biceps. We are yet to see him show stuffs against decent teams.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 2:14pm On Dec 20, 2015
airmark:
They won 4 trophies in 2014, while dmcdad that i replied said madrid is yet to win ordinary treble. Are y'all for real?
A treble is made up of

1. The League title
2. The King's Cup
3. The UCL

Madrid has NEVER won won a treble in a football season.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 2:02pm On Dec 20, 2015
airmark:
Are you sure? What about in 2014? Don't let me think you have joined the likes of dayo ooo.
What treble did Madrid win in 2014?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 11:05am On Dec 20, 2015
Krasid:
Rakitic is more inconsistent than Ozil.Have you forgotten Ozil's world class assist for CR's goal against Barca that won Madrid the league in 2012.Rakitic is just a workhorse, nothing more.Stop the blind argument, Ozil is definitely better.
Ozil's stats against Barcelona

10 games..... ... 1 goal........ 2 assists

For a player of his calibre, this is a very poor stats. Like I said earlier, Ozil only shines against smaller teams, and flops against big teams.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Debroslink: 10:48am On Dec 20, 2015
dmcdad:
It is now seeming like English coaches can't cope with Spanish football, at least taking cue from recent ones. Well, let's just wait and see how things go henceforth before running into conclusion.
Each time I remember Bobby Robson's Era, I am always filled with anger. Despite our array of stars, including world player of the year Ronaldo, we lost the league to an unfancied Atletico Madrid.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Debroslink: 8:57am On Dec 20, 2015
weedtaker:
i don't smoke on a friday and sunday morning, i hope you don't too.. Anyways how is the other Mancunian doing in spain??
Cc. debroslink, homesteady, dmcdad make una give us update naa, how valencia de fare for una league?
Valencia is yet to win a league game this December. Neville has drawn 2 matches in 2 league games since taking over as coach. However he has a win in Copa del Rey against Barakaldo (one palasa team).

Valencia dey fúck up. They are not living up to their potentials.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 8:46am On Dec 20, 2015
Ozil disappears in big matches. How many assists or goals did he have against Barcelona while he was @ Madrid?

Rakitic led Sevilla to 2 Europeans titles back to back and he's a rock in our midfield.

I'm sure if Sanchez never played for Barca, they will tell us he's better than Neymar.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 12:29am On Dec 19, 2015
raumdeuter:
Messi simply because Messi was the best at the time. if messi had retied and another player was showing to be better than, Ronaldo would have made that new guy his reference point
in 2007 was it Messi that was inspiring him to score 42 goals when Messi himself was still scoring 15-16 goals?
This season Messi was out injured yet Ronaldo is already on 21 goals shey na Messi dey push am from sick bed?
Ferguson inspired Ronaldo like that once in 6 years. Messi has been doing so consecutively for the past 6 years.

Ronaldo has 21 goals already, but we all know that he has not showed his class against any big team this season. Messi has scored against big teams despite the injuries.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 12:18am On Dec 19, 2015
raumdeuter:
Ferguson instilled that in him that he is the best and can do better than everyone else, whether its Suarez, neymar, Kaka or Messi

Once its in a player, its difficult to take away from them
That's not true. Even Ronaldo has openly confessed that Messi inspired him for more success.
http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/cristiano-ronaldo-rivalry-between-lionel-messi-motivates-both-players-012015

http://www.scmp.com/sport/soccer/article/1876149/cristiano-ronaldo-messi-rivalry-keeps-me-inspired-theres-no-doubt-im

How can you now say it's Ferguson that inspired him to score 50+ goals every season for Madrid, but you can't say the same for Rooney and Zaha?

Messi made Ronaldo a better player.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 11:57pm On Dec 18, 2015
raumdeuter:
In Madrid I believe he would. There is no stopping Ronaldo.

His aim was to be the best whether its messi, Suarez neymar or Kaka. He just wants to beat them all

Ronaldo learnt how to head the ball, How to take shots, how to shoot freekicks he even bulked up massively, watched his diet.

he simply wanted to be the best at everything. even things Messi dont know how to do
The bold has said it all. He aims to be the best. So let's assume Suarez is the best, and he scores 30 goals every season, Ronaldo will love to score 35 or more right? So who motivates him to score 35 goals, Suarez or Ferguson?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 11:48pm On Dec 18, 2015
raumdeuter:
Assuming Messi retired 2 seasons ago? Would Ronaldo stop scoring 50+ goals?

Assuming Messi retired 5 seasons ago, would Ronaldo score 50+ goals consecutively for 5 years
?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 11:44pm On Dec 18, 2015
raumdeuter:
As at the time Ronaldo was winning Ballon D or in United, Messis career wasnt even that clearly defined. Ronaldo became a beast and Messi was still a very talented player who had a high ceiling

When Ronaldo was scoring 42 goals, messi barely scored 16. So you think Messi's 16 goals was what pushed Ronaldo to score not 20, not 30 but 42 goals??
And where the hell was Ferguson when his output dropped from 42 to 26? That about 40% reduction. That 42 goals was a one off. However, he has be scoring 50goals plus in the last 5 seasons all because of his feud with Messi.

What Ferguson triggered once, Messi has been doing so for the past 5 years or more.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 11:29pm On Dec 18, 2015
raumdeuter:
Ronald without Ferguson would never even aspire to be the world best he would be content with nutmegging players and making people laugh

Just like what Quaresma is

Ferguson brought out the competitor in him.

Before Ronaldo had no problem with Rooney being better or just contributing to the team, Ferguson brought out the competitive nature in him where he could see himself as better than kaka, Dinho or Messi
Ronaldo was already feuding with Messi while @ United. Why did Ferguson fail to bring out that competitor in Rooney? Barca was trophy less, yet the gifts of Messi stood out.

How come Ronaldo went from scoring 42 goals to a mere 18 league goals under the same Ferguson?

How come Ronaldo became a better player after leaving Ferguson?

Why has Ronaldo maintained 50+ goals every season for the past 5 seasons?

Only one answer comes to mind... Messi
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 11:20pm On Dec 18, 2015
Eruditor:
Rio Ferdinand in his autobiography said when United got CR7 2003 and Rooney 2004, himself and Scholes felt Rooney was better based on what they saw during trainings.

CR7 had talent but he read the game poorly: dribbled when he was to pass, couldn't head a ball to save his life. Was skinny and his goal scoring was abysmal.

Nothing about CR7 showed that he will be a prolific goal scorer. A great winger, yes, but not one of the best players to ever grace the game. That's where Fergie helped him.

Every other thing you saw of CR7 post-United, is as a result of having better players to help him in a "less competitive" league. The hardwork had been done by Fergie and even Mou said it on arriving at RM.
I am not undermining the contribution of Ferguson's work in Ronaldo's career. But I'd like you to know that even when Ronaldo scored 42 goals that season in United, it's because a young Messi had started breathing down his neck. Barca were trophy-less that season, but Messi was ballon d'or 2nd best that season.

We all mentioned Henry and Wenger. Henry spent his best years with Arsenal, but Ronaldo has spent his best years without Ferguson, but with Messi, who had brought out the best in him after Ferguson's Era.

Wenger made Henry a better player, but Messi made Ronaldo a better player too.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 11:07pm On Dec 18, 2015
raumdeuter:
harior, spy360, debroslink

Did Wenger make Henry the player he is? Or was he destined for greatness regardless
I have no problem with coaches making players. Wenger made Igwe, just like Pep made Messi.

But do you honestly think Ronaldo would have 3 ballon d'or if he had stayed @ United?

I still insist that Messi made Ronaldo a better player.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 11:00pm On Dec 18, 2015
raumdeuter:
Fergie already set Ronaldo on the path to greatness
Ronaldo won Ballon D or with Fergie, He scored 42 goals with fergie.
Without Fergie Ronaldo would be no different from a talented winger and trickster whose joy would be in the number of people he dribbled
From 42 goals, it dropped to 18 league goals the following season before he finally joined Madrid shows that he lacked motivation. His rivalry with Messi has however not diminished for the past 6 years or so, and if he scores 42 goals this season, it would be regarded as a failure.

I still insist that Messi made Ronaldo a better player; not Fergie.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 10:44pm On Dec 18, 2015
Eruditor:
Fergie made CR7 who he is. Pep did same for Messi. End of.

I disagree the fact that Fergie made Ronaldo. Ronaldo became better after he left Fergie. Why? It's because Messi made Ronaldo
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 1:05pm On Dec 18, 2015
TheGoodJoe:
Mourinho: It's hard. All last season I did phenomenal work and brought them to a level that's not their level, which is more than they really are.
Damn you Mr Mourinho for saying such a very stvpid comment. If you had been a coach @ Barcelona and made this rubbish comment, I trust Messi and co would have kicked you out within a week.

Little wonder he had issues with Ronaldo despite the guy scoring 50+ goals every season.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 7:07pm On Dec 17, 2015
nateevs:
Let me tell you what will happen should Jose take the job at United next season.
He will have 200% of the board's support. He will be allowed to spend 100s of millions.
He will spend 100s of millions of one-time wonders, work-horses and average Joes.

These average Joes will run into the ground for him. The will win the league. United fans will be happy winning the league again, being consistent at the top. Compared to where they have been in recent years, it's glory days again.

He will organize them at back the back. They will be ultra defensive and admirable but as always, very lacklustre going forward.
He will manage to convince them pragmatism wins. He will win the hearts of some.

The next season, the fights will begin. He will take a pop at Wenger and now Chelsea.
He will fight the media, the referees and anyone in between, the moment they lose. Some of his fans will still like him, some will stop.

He will park the bus against Chelsea, City, Arsenal. This is where the anger will begin.
Die-hard United fans will crave expansive football once again. He will not change.
He will not bring any young player through, the work horses will start to fail.

Blaming will begin. He probably finishes the season winning the league again.

Third season, full blown fight against everyone. The workhorses (the usual 11 - the untouchables) stop performing.
United fans demand better football to the eye, despite just winning the league.

More public fights. Blames. Name calling. Fans of other clubs start to hate United because of JM. People call them classless. United's PR suffers a blow. Boards' backing drops to 70% . . . .

Beginning of the end.


.
Bro, you have just summarised my view about Mr Mourinho. This is the reason he never lasted 3 seasons.

This is the complete truth about Mr Mourinho. God bless you.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 7:30am On Dec 14, 2015
Airmark, show us one DM in Europe that is as consistent as Busquets in the last 6 years and stop naming some players in epl who have barely spent 2 full seasons.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W9rld by Debroslink: 10:30pm On Dec 13, 2015
Madrid fans should console themselves tonight with this blues.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Rch6WvPJE
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: R36L Madrid - Most Successful & Greatest Champ15ns of Spain, Europe & W9rld by Debroslink: 10:24pm On Dec 13, 2015
coded01:
I learnt Ronaldo didn't play... grin


He never plays against top teams...Why? grin
If na Granada or Malmo, na so he go dey score 4 goals.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 6:42am On Dec 09, 2015
airmark:
It's a shame to man utd not epl. Man utd's failure to qualify has nothing to do with epl's decline. If an epl team in 2012 that was n't in first four on epl table could knock the laliga champions, barca out, should we say la liga was on decline because of that ? Your guess is as good as mine. Use another point, thats ludicrously senseless.
Quoting 2012 and below as your case study shows you are not in touch with current reality. Show us the last time 2 la liga clubs didn't show in the last 4 of UCL.

A shame to Man United is a shame to EPL. 3 la liga teams topped their groups and 1 more may join them today. But when we see the likes of Kiev, Olympiakos, struggling with Chelsea and Arsenal respectively on the final day of group stage, you still will come and quote 2012.

Receive sense.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 1:01am On Dec 09, 2015
airmark:
On the decline yet an epl team, man city destroyed a la liga team that flogged barcelona and real madrid, home and away. cheesy cheesy cheesy
Story for the Devils. From your analogy, Man city will destroy Barca and Madrid right?

When we say EPL is on a decline, we mean the best club in EPL history spent 300m euros, but could not qualify from a group consisting of CSKA, PSV and Wolfsburg. What a shame!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 12:59am On Dec 09, 2015
rozayx5:
i doubt your a madrid fan. your just a cr7 fan.
Krasid doesn't discuss real Madrid. It's Ronaldo here and there. Usbcable is a better Madrid fan.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink:
Chelseafan1:
U don come again....later now if dem dey chop am, u go say na because say dem don luz form again abi?
Lol. .. If I don't hype Spanish clubs, who will? I expect Valencia to qualify for next round tomorrow so that 4 Spanish teams will be in UCL 16.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 11:08pm On Dec 08, 2015
When you had Hazard as your best in the league, a player who couldn't deliver them against 10-man PSG, and now I think Vardy is now their best in the league, you know the EPL league is clearly on the decline.

From Thierry Henry, Alan Shearer and Cristiano Ronaldo, now we have Hazard and Vardy is currently leading. Pathetic! sad
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 10:51pm On Dec 08, 2015
With Bilbao, Sevilla and Villarreal in Europa league, EPL clubs should not even think about winning it.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Debroslink: 10:03pm On Dec 06, 2015
A40, take it easy,and stop arguing with someone who called Gattuso and Makelele football playmakers.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 5:17pm On Dec 06, 2015
philfearon:
The problem with[b] later day Barca fans[/b]..Lose or draw one game....and hell breaks lose!
They are "glory hunters" who can't stand by the team when there's hiccups. We drew an away game against a top side in the league and a UCL team, and they are moaning. Fair weather fans they are.

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