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timbros:
Lionel Messi (Argentina): 101 appearances, 46 goals.
Asamoah Gyan (Ghana): 90 appearances, 48 goals.

OR

Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal): 120 appearances, 55 goals.
Didier Drogba (Ivory Coast): 104 appearances, 65 goals.

What's your point again?

Please compare their positions on the field of play. Musa and Hazard are wingers.

Are Messi and Ronaldo no 9 in their teams compared with Drogba and Gyan?

PietroRico:
all these kind opata logic sef...

So barca would either have played with 10 men had Neymar been absent or whoever was there in his place would have contributed absolutely nothing?


Later when dk dey call Chelsea fans dumb, u sef go join them

It's goals and assists that win you games. The difference between a trophy-less Chelsea and the one who won the league last season is a proven goal scorer(Costa), and an assist king(Fabregas).

39 goals and 11 assists... That's what I call productivity. Remove Ronaldo s 61 goals, and Madrid will not be better than Arsenal in UCL.

hensben:
arda turan is not a winger, he is a natural CM/AMF..simeone plays four or five midfielders n two strikers, he(simeone) doesn't play natural winger. young chelsea fan? lol nor be ur fault sha effect of internet we don't really know who is who.

When I said Hazard cost your team a ucl final against Atletico Madrid, go and watch the 3rd goal of A.Madrid and see how Hazard failed to mark Juan Fran, who crossed to Adan Turan on the left wing to nod and score.

Turan is a winger please.

jimmy4x:
You are soooo ignorant, was Hazard also the reason we got humiliated by this same Atletico at the Super Cup??
Make una dey try argue with sense small na.
When Chelsea defeated PSG 2 seasons ago, did any of you praise Hazard?
Now, against 10-man PSG, he still scored, y'all keep calling for his head cause we crashed out?


I'm sure your fellow Barca fans are disappointed with your statement that Neymar's 39 goals won them the treble, why didn't Ronaldo's 65 goals win them at least the Copa del Rey, can you see how senseless you sound??


Do you even know what a decisive goal mean?? If yes, how many of Neymar's goals were decisive thru out the season, a decisive goal is a goal that wins you match...goals like 1-0, 2-1, not when Barca is already winning 3-0, 4-1, nd he adds his own to the goals like the die-minute goal against Juventus, I mean the match was already won, his last minute goal was just an addition after he had squandered a lotta chances earlier on, the goal actually saved his reputation that night.


Hazard on the other hand will score the only goal in a tough match, an example was the match against Man u, even when Fab, Oscar nd Costa were injured nd out of form, he still stepped up, scored a lot of decisive goals that won us the league, if it wssnt for him, Man city or Arsenal could have caught up with us around march to May, ask any sincere Man city or Arsenal fan.

Neymar's decisive goals against Atletico Madrid @ Vincente Calderon in Copa del Rey made it easier for us to win the title. What about the 2 goals away against Bayern? If we had lost the match 3-0, it would have cancelled out the 1st leg advantage, and we wouldn't play a ucl final.

These are examples of matches where god-Messi had little impact. You can't compare the quality of these teams with the likes of man United who are still struggling.

jimmy4x:
Lmfao....hold on! please, make me understand you perfectly, are you seriously trying to tell me, without mincing words that, Hazard is useless in that Chelsea squad while Barca would have gone trophyless without Neymar's goals??
Like no trophy at all?

What was the contribution of Hazard to that match against Atletico Madrid if not to help you guys concede two avoidable goals?

And yes, remove Neymar's 39 goals, and Barca would have been trophy less. Many of them were against the best teams.

A40:
Toh! So you know teams win trophies.

So why all the ej@culation about Hazard? Diego Costa provided more goals and Cesc more assists.

Your boy is a winger, Ribery is a winger. Guys like Neymar and Griezmann are simply more clinical and the formation being deployed by their manager sees them playing closer to goal

I will reiterate again goals are not the only problem with Hazard's stats. I'm curious as to how someone frequently compared with Messi and sometimes Ronaldo has now gone 3 seasons without a defining game in the Champions League whether by scoring goals or influencing the outcome of an important match by delivering a virtuoso performance

Even for Belgium same thing. 8 goals in 57 caps

That awkward moment you realise that Ahmed Musa has a better goal stats for Nigeria than Hazard has for Belgium with fewer games played.

jimmy4x:
Stumbled on this on Bleacherreport.com, it's something worth debating on.





Messi worth TWICE as much as Ronaldo. Like we
didn't know already.
Hazard number two, I can see why, he is to Chelsea
what Messi is to Barcelona (Just not as good). But he
can dribble, score, assist, the lot, and the dude doesn't
have an ego to boot, he's there to do his job and
loves to play the game, deservedly second.
Take Messi or Hazard out of their clubs and the team
will not be effective and lose a lot of quality.
Take Ronaldo out of Madrid, and all they need to do
to replace him is get someone that can finish.

Take Hazard out of Chelsea, and you guys would have won the UCL semi final match against atletico Madrid.

Take Neymar's 39 goals away and Barcelona would become trophy less last season.

hensben:
A headless chicken won double too..you talk/type as if chelsea went trophy-less..chelsea defeated barca with one down as well... you think neymar can lead barca to treble without messi.btw, team win trophies not individual, this is not roger federa vs rafal nadal.. You think football is all about goals, dribbling/creating chances is part of the game. Ribery won european best n came out third best player in the world, here is ribery's stat; http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1683762-is-franck-ribery-the-most-important-player-at-bayern-munich....so iniesta is a headless chicken player too because lampard was/is an AMF like him.

Hazard was not even your player when Chelsea defeated Barca.

Neymar led Santos to Copa CL title
He led Brazil to Confederation Title

Chelsea has won the EPL and Europa league since Hazard came in. Can you say he led Chelsea to those titles like Drogba did to your UCL title in 2012?

hensben:
because the GUY who scored 39 goals(most tap-in) is a striker/LWF in his team.

I'd rather have a player whose tap-ins will give me 3 major trophies including UCL, than a headless chicken dribbler who cant help his team past a 10-man team.

RAKITIC:
pple are so obsessed about neymar

You can say that again.

jimmy4x:
See u o, na almighty Rooney, dangerous striker u kon dey take hand rubbish like this?? Rooney wey don enter Ballon D'Or shortlist in d past? Rooney wey dey versatile up front, a whole Rooney of Manchester united??
If na Sterling dey Juventus, trophies go don taya am sef, maybe Pogba for still dey go on loan to d championships if hin still dey England.
who no know say Juve dey win Serie A for d past 3 seasons consecutively.

Don't lemme start Rooney's case here. I know Coogar has dealt with this issue on his thread.

Even Beckham entered Ballon d or shortlist courtesy of a free kick he scored against Greece in 2001(as if no one else can score free kicks).

Bottom line... Sterling(£50m) is overrated, Neymar isn't.

jimmy4x:
U too dey fall my hand guy, ow could u be comparing 20 year old sterling wey never even dey close to his prime yet, to Old men like Sanchez nd Pedro.....at just 20-years old, he's playing like this, just think about how dangerous he would have become in the next 7 year's when he will be Pedro's age.
Isn't Pogba even costlier than him, is Pogba English too??

Rooney was hyped higher than Sterling when he broke out @ Everton as a 16 year old. Has he attained such heights almost 15 years on? He was overshadowed by Ronaldo when the latter was @ United, and ever since Ronaldo left, he's still not attained such.

Pogba has won trophies, Sterling has not won a spoon. Yet, he rated £50m.

My man, let's move into something else.

jimmy4x:
Wetin concern SA with Europe, abegii, leave story, let him come nd win Laliga nd UCL without Messi, Suarez nd Iniesta na, no b d same Willian, Oscar, Ramirez Hazard dey play with?....Lucas, Oscar, Neymar nd most of dem who played over dere, aren't they d ones u regarded as flops??
Brazilian players are known for huge transfer fees when coming to Europe, nd u haven't ansad my question yet, what can Neymar who was signed for €57m 2 years ago, do right now dt £50m rated Sterling can't do??
Even Hazard didn't cost Chelsea more than £32m 3 years ago nd Yes, he won awards with Lille then.
If u insist Sterling is overrated for £50m in 2015, then Neymar was highly overrated for €57m in 2013 when a star performer nd big boy like Hazard cost only £32m
Do u even know, Sterling commands a higher value than Bale as I type??

It is only a foolish club with no ambition that will buy Sterling for 50m Pounds. Is he not the same Sterling that EPL fans said he was better than Sanchez when the latter was in Barcelona? That guy is not even as good as Pedro

jimmy4x:
Sterling is younger dan Neymar buh pls tell me, what can Neymar do that Sterling can not do, tell me?
How much did Barca pay for Neymar 2 seasons ago, how old was he then, what big stage was he tested on before Barca signed him.....So, to u, sterling isn't worth 50m buh Neymar was worth over 50m 2 years ago shey??
See double standard.
We all watched nd saw ow Sterling dazzled wen he was only 17 few seasons ago, ow many 17 yr olds could break into first team football just like that nd still establish himself well, even in d absence of Suarez nd Sturridge last season, Sterling stepped up nd even played few matches as a striker....don't underrate that boi abeg.
U are here comparing a young Sterling's transfer fee with an older Ramos' fee, y not compare Neymar's €57.1m with Ramos' fee now.
We can only feel the real Neymar nd his influence in dt Barca team when Messi nd Iniesta get injured for like 2 months or more, let him work with Suarez,Rakitic, Song, Tello nd Pedro...

Neymar... Before he came to Barcelona

2-time South America footballer of the year(He won the 1st @ age 19.)
Copa CL winner with Santos
2013 Confederations Cup winner

All this makes 57m Euros a real worthy deal for the best player in South America. He won all these without Messi, Suarez and co.


Sterling has won nothing for both club and country. Yet, he is rated @ 50m pounds. This is the definition of overrated.
Break into a team like Barcelona, Bayern, Madrid and Chelsea as a 17 year old player and be established there; then the world will pay attention. Not a 2nd class club like Liverpool.

jimmy4x:
abeg no dey disgrace Hazard jor, Neymar no be Hazard mate....Neymar is a goal scorer (striker), Hazard is an all-round playmaker....the difference is crystal clear bro.
Mention Neymar nd Griezmann pls.
Must u mention Hazard in ur argument, dem dey talk Brazil nd Neymar, u dey talk Hazard.
No Neymar, No Brazil na just nonsense talk, wen dey lost 1-0 nd he, outta frustration got a red card....na hin ghost dey pitch dt day abi.
How wud his presence have saved Brazil from the 7-0 humiliation at d last world cup, na hin go defend all d goals abi, hin wan score 7 goals against Germany...he had better thank his stars he got injured b4 d humiliation.
dem luz 1-0, e dey fyt taekwando for pitch, maybe he for kill Muller or Boateng if hin play against germany.
Rubbish playmaker...

Neymar may have lost his head against Colombia, but my man, give him a break. Can't Brazil win a knockout match without him? I doubt if they have ever won a knockout match without Neymar. It shows the team is shiit, and Neymar is their true world class player.

hensben:
When did it become no neymar no brazil, who is neymar to brazil national team, was he part of the five world cup they won in the past..brazil need a team not a player..i repeat neymar is just like robinho then. brazil were better all round in the past, players with their fit on the ground unlike dolphin-like player (neymar). brazil are beginning to overrate their players hence their down fall unlike before, a player like elber of bayern was a goal machine then but he couldn't break into the team to tell you the quality players brazil had.

Bring Ronaldo De Lima to this current Brazil team, and nothing will happen. You would even compare him with the likes of Robinho. The team players are bunch of craps except Neymar and Silva.

Brazil may have overrated Neymar (he's worth it anyway), but don't compare that with the way English press overrate their players. Imagine Sterling going for £50m and Sergio Ramos is worth £35m.

Argentina's pragmatic approach in this tournament may be their own undoing if their strikers keep misfiring. Aguero, Tevez and Higuain must wake up to their duties.

No reasons for excuses again.

hensben:
You are right bro, to make things worst they make a drama king(Neymar) their key player n captain, he is now the eye of brazil smh..Brazilians want to have messi like player by fire by force but in reality he is another robinho, this type of player can't give trophy, they goes to the ground at any slight touch just to get attention, they are attention seekers, they want everything to be centered around them..Neymar is justin bibier of football.

Why are you so obsessed with Neymar? Neymar this, Neymar that. Brazil's problems are beyond Neymar.

Neymar is the only world class player in that team bar Silva. When you have the likes of Ramirez, Oscar, Hulk, Fred, in your team, it becomes an average team.

But your obsession is all about Neymar.

Like what Dayo said, No Neymar no Brazil. You can say this to Hazard on Belgium. Can you?

Some Chelsea fans amaze me. How can you call a team that has not won the league title for the past 10 years your direct rival?

We sold David Villa to Atletico Madrid(who were a threat in the league and in Europe), yet heaven did not fall.

#leaveCechalone

Some Chelsea lions on this thread. Man Utd fans, take heart. This humiliation will soon pass. You shall rise again.

I love this thread. Respect to the great Leo Messi

Chestar5:
Una don start again abi,becos of hazard matter our thread fit reach 2000 before pre season sef start

No be una start the fight? Because Neymar was red carded, you guys started the comparison with that overrated Hazard.

Singing Fela's song

When cat sleep, and rat go bite him tail, Wetin he dey find? Palava e dey find.

jimmy4x:
Let him come and score the goals in the EPL na, playing in the best EPL team.

How can you leave Harvard university and come to LASU?

It's Hazard who needs to upgrade himself.

jimmy4x:
Soo, Musa is also better than him right??
chei.....Hazard don die.

Ahmed Musa
49 games.......10 goals
Won Continental trophy


Ikedia Hazard
57 games....... 8 goals
Zero trophy

Wait ooh... I don't gerrit. Are Chelsea fans now bringing Ronaldo into the level of Hazard?


Ahmed Musa has a better goals stats than Ikedia Hazard with fewer games for his national team.

hensben:
fabregas did not flop go check his stat for barca compare to rakitic.

Fabregas was bought to play the Xavi role. He flopped. Rakitic is better.

jimmy4x:
Did u not see the wicked tackle Veratti made him suffer??
Against ur team, Veratti, Motta, Silva, Ibra missed out, David wasn't fit.
PSG sha defeated ur team at the group stage.

And we defeated them when it truly mattered, with Neymar scoring 5 world class goals against PSG (no penalty).

hensben:
you are the mumu here because costa barely play ucl for chelsea except r16

Costa, who was a thorn in the flesh to defenders in UCL while playing for Atletico Madrid, became a toothless dog in attack for Chelsea in UCL.

All thanks to the useless and meaningless dribbles of Hazard.

hensben:
you mean to tell me rakitic can displace xavi in his prime.? oh man oh man.

Fabregas was supposed to be the heir of Xavi, he flopped. Rakitic came and now has truly succeeded Xavi

hensben:
hazard doesn't possess such skills when mark tightly? this is pure hate.

Where was Hazard when Veratti caged him for 120 mins?

hensben:
rakitic is lucky that xavi is old his case would have been that of fabregas. when fab was there xavi was still in his prime, fab was been played out of position most times, he didn't have a permanent position unlike rakitic.

Do you want us to start Rakitic/Fabregas feud?
A Fabregas guy who didn't even know his position in the team.

Just like Sanchez, Fabregas was average for Barcelona.

hensben:
hazard thrive with lille, won best player for two consecutive seasons and a double cup with the team.

The same French league where old cargo John Utaka's goals won the league for Lille?

Abeg tell me something Better.