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Debroslink:
A grade A team is Not usually a team in pot A
A grade A team is one who fulfils the following two requirements :
1. It wins the UCL title at least once every 5 years
2. It fights for the league title of its country everytime, and wins it occasionally.
That is why Barca, Madrid, Bayern are always rated highly every year.
Only one club in England used to fulfil these two criteria, and that is Manchester United. But they lost it when Ferguson retired, and Chelsea took over.
Yes, Chelsea is a grade A team.

With my analysis above, most especially point 1, it is obvious that Liverpool is not a grade A team. They are just as good as inter Milan at the moment

jimmy4x:
Why ansa only 1 outta the questions I asked you?



So Liverpool isn't a Grade A team by ur standards, u know ow many ucl Liverpool don win?, Even a football amateur will know that, Barca and Madrid are better, richer and an upgrade to teams like Chelsea, PSG, Juventus nd co.....Barca and Madrid are first and second....Are u seriously saying if Hazard has been in Madrid or Barca, by now, he wouldnt av won the UCL with them??
Debroslink, I'm still waiting for ur reply sir??
The Past 3 best EPL players (Ronaldo, Bale and Suarez ) have been bought by both Madrid and Barca...outta the 3, ONLY Ronaldo won the UCL with an EPL team, even Aguero that is being scouted by Madrid presently, haven't won it with Man city, he got to Man city before Hazard got to Chelsea o

If the bold is your question, the answer is capital NO. If we swap Hazard with Neymar, and Hazard plays Neymar's place, Messi 's efforts and passes would be a waste because Hazard is not a clinical finisher as Neymar.

Lemme ask you a question...


If Hazard is in Barcelona, will he score up to 38 goals?

raumdeuter:
In that Iniesta gif his team won the game, In that Hazard clip he led his team to a loss. So how do we rate them

Lol

raumdeuter:
This season Iniesta used his dribbles to create 4 goals like the below

https://giant.gfycat.com/SpectacularConcreteHorsechestnutleafminer.gif

Unlike Hazard that dribbles without focus

My man, God bless you real good. That gif was the match against PSG. Oya Chelsea fans, show us Hazard's own against a big team in Europe.

jimmy4x:
U run go, come back, dey skip my question abi?? I think say u sabi argue, u get points, sre u tired?

Your questions were answered. Read my previous posts.

A grade A team is Not usually a team in pot A


A grade A team is one who fulfils the following two requirements :

1. It wins the UCL title at least once every 5 years

2. It fights for the league title of its country everytime, and wins it occasionally.

That is why Barca, Madrid, Bayern are always rated highly every year.

Only one club in England used to fulfil these two criteria, and that is Manchester United. But they lost it when Ferguson retired, and Chelsea took over.

Yes, Chelsea is a grade A team.

raumdeuter:
Arsenal is and has always been a grade B team. The European elites are few

Leave them make them they jam talk

I just dey laugh. Now you guys are seeing how bias goal.com is to anything barcelona

jimmy4x:
He's a Local champion just like Suarez (75m or thereabouts) and Bale (100m...World record) were also local champions and commanded such high figures by the two world best teams.
Say something else.

Those 2 players upgraded to grade A teams, and they have helped or helping their teams to continental glory.

Hazard has been in a grade A team for 3 years. How has he helped your team to a true continental glory?

What these 2 players have achieved in their 1st season in grade A team, Hazard hasn't done so in his career.

Greatihex:
did the miss make chelsea nt to qualify, or did it stop them frm topping dia group, even wt 1 match left?

Who was under more pressure? When pressure came from a grade B team with just 10 players, he failed woefully.

jimmy4x:
Lol...how did u come up about these claims, any screenshots, websites, or na ur reasoning alone?

Dude, make I just let you rest.

And all you Chelsea fans on this thread, learn how to place Hazard properly. He's a local champion. His wings has not grown beyond epl. When he achieves real continental glory as an important player, then he will earn my respect.

jimmy4x:
U still haven't ansad my question, how many UCL did Bale nd Suarez win with their previous teams, ansa me?? y did dey have to wait till dey joined Barca nd Madrid to win it (Bale) on the verge of winning it (Suarez)

None has won, but they were better than Hazard in their various grade B teams.

You don't understand me do you? Bale was a better player for Tottenham in UCL than Hazard is for Chelsea. He carried an amateur team and helped them knock out defending champion inter Milan.

What has been the impact of your best player Ikedia Hazard in your Chelsea team in UCL? Name just one.

Tval:
Just give up, you only thrive when you have people backing you up.

I am on my own. I support Barcelona, not Bayern. However I've never seen a Bayern fan compare Neymar with Mueller. We respect each other. Bayern flogged my team 7-0,and it baffles me that they don't make a fuss about it.

But Hazard vs Neymar is utter rubbish. One has scored 38 goals and his team is in UCL final. The other is still a learner.

jimmy4x:
Ogbeni, come back here, u werent specific, so I tot u meant Europa league, even if he did that in the UCL, did that win Spurs the CL??
I ask u again, why didn't Bale and Suarez win the UCL with Spurs nd Liverpool, why wait till they joined the 2 best teams in the world to win it??
Come back and reply me, u think u know ow to argue shey??
Even Pedro who played most of his UCL games the season as a substitute is on course to win it again with BARCELONA....(One of the world best teams)

Didn't Bale carry 10 manTottenham that far by scoring a hattrick against UCL defending champion inter Milan?

Tell us a memorable match Hazard has played for Chelsea in UCL? Just one

jimmy4x:
Bale propelled Spurs over Inter in the Europa league, Hazard won the Europa league with Chelsea in his first season, why didn't Bale nd Suarez win the UCL with Liverpool nd Tottenham after all the years they spent
why did they have to wait till they joined the 2 best teams in the World to win it?

When did Bale play inter in the EUROPA LEAGUE? Damn.... I give up

jimmy4x:
So, Coutinho nd Kane are d ONLY EPL players he competed against, see ur life, when Ronaldo, Suarez nd Bale won it, who did dey compete against?? Tell me??

Tell me any world class players Hazard competed with in your overrated league?

Ronaldo, Bale and Suarez have showed their worth in the UCL. Ronaldo won with United, Bale propelled Tottenham over Inter, and Suarez is impacting positively in Barca.

Tell us the impact of Hazard on Chelsea in UCL. OK lemme give one...

2 goals in 3 years of ucl action. What a shame!

Greatihex:
ya, just like how chelsea eliminated barca in 2012. A team that had messi; he dribbled and dribbled without result. The worst is that he even mixed the so called "Awoof penalty" that was nt even won by him. So, wit dis u wont like to have a messi in ur team, while u choose a pedro over him. Is dis wat u are saying?

Messi missed a spot kick which hit the bar against Chelsea. Well...

What about that awful spot kick by Hazard against Maribor? Maribor of all teams?

jimmy4x:
If u can't provide sensible ansa to my questions, den forever hold ur peace....Leave Hazard d way he is, Ur not recognised by those who saw him as d perfect candidate for the best player in the EPL...so, ur opinions don't count.
Hail ur Neymar and Pedro while we keep hyping our own best player.
If ur pained he dribbles nd we tag him our own LM10, u can always take a dive into the Lagoon.

Typical Chelsea fans who when beaten by intelligent comments will then resort to insults.

Your Hazard won epl best player because he competed with flukes like Coutinho and Kane(players who couldn't propel their teams into top 4 and UCL).

You said intelligent analysts recognised Hazard's influence, yet they didn't think that Aguero who scored lots of goals and won the golden boot deserved a place in the all stars team.

I look at my current Barca team and I don't see anyone on the front line whom Hazard would bench.

Hype him all you like, we don't care, but if you pitch him beside Neymar or Mueller, or you pass your boundaries and pitch him close to Messi or Ronaldo, we will not hesitate to put him at his level of 2 open goals in 3 years of UCL football.

jimmy4x:
They met 4 times ds season, how many goals did messi score?
Pedro and Hazard, compare them this season alone, Awards are awarded to best player per season not from previous glories or performances.
Neymar has Messi, Suarez who work for him to tap in the goals, since u claim he stays around the box to tap in goals, u can liken him to Ronaldo, Harry Kane nd Aguero den, what he does is diff from what Hazard does, who works for Hazard to tap in goals.?

I'd rather have a winger who can give me 38 goals and 10 direct assists which will propel my team to a UCL final after winning doubles already,
than a winger who dribbles like a headless chicken and my team gets knocked out by a grade B team with just 10 players.

What a shame!


I still insist that Pedro's performance shits on Hazard's in UCL. Deal with it Bro.

nonsoroyalty:
Messi dribbles but he dribbled all the way to the ucl final
So chelsea fans how can u be proud of hazard dribbles and key passes when it didn't help u defeat psg?

If tap ins are easy in football why can't hazard score some tap ins

You keep saying messi spoonfeeds neymar did you know neymar has assisted messi 7 times this season while messi has assisted neymar 13times

Chelshit fans stop using the logic of messi always helping neymar you bunch of twats

Dani alves has assisted messi 40times in his career should we now say messi gets most of his goals because of dani alves tap in messi?

Na wa oo

When fabregas was assisting diego shitsta during the first half of season una dey compare am with aguero but una no talk say na fabregas they give am tap ins abi?


Hypocrisy am a barca fan but I can never boast of messi dribbles and key passes if e no win us anything

Whether hazard dribble o key passes oh bla bla bla at the end na goals matter most for football

Preach on bro

jimmy4x:
U have been noticed, he only dribbles, dribbles, no output, that explains why we won the EPL nd he, outta hundreds of EPL players, got voted nd won the best player of the league (previously won by stars Ronaldo, Suarez nd Bale) U are too sensible bro.
Comparing Hazard to Pedro who gets to play most of d time as a substitute is the sillyest post I've read on here...
Chelsea could av made the UCL quarter finals if David Luiz didn't equalize the second goal to win on aggregate unlike Bayern that got humiliated, annihilated nd disgraced, how's that Hazard's fault??
When did he become a defender?? or u expect him to score all the goals, how many goals did Messi score against ds same PSG home and away, did he not feed Neymar with most of the goals??

Messi has scored more goals against PSG than all Hazard's goals in his ucl history.

Neymar's games is a direct approach. Give him the ball around the box, and he will score. This is better than a player who will want to dribble all the defenders and pass backwards to Fabregas.

Yes, I can compare Pedro's CL stats with Hazard's, and I dare say Pedro has a better stats than Hazard in UCL. Mind you, both of them are wingers.

jimmy4x:
http://www.soccersouls.com/2014/10/31/eden-hazard-vs-neymar-who-is-the-best-young-winger-in-the-world/

You can see how you dey disgrace yourself. Posting an article written on October 2014 when the season had barely started. How pathetic can Hazard's case be?

jimmy4x:
So these two Hazard-obsessed haters were once die-hard Arsenal fans nd Fabregas' worshippers, now its clearly obvious why they hate this much, Arsenal fans parading themselves as Bayern fans..lmao
They had to forcefully switch to a better team dan Arsenal in anoda league to speak ill of the Premiership nd Arsenal's fiercest rival (Chelseafc) , these guys are funny sha, no one shud take dem serious henceforth, Sanchez won the Super cup nd CWC with Barca, yet he scored ONLY 2 UCL goals from 2011 to 2014, let's see how many CL he will win with Arsenal fc

Sanchez scored 2 CL goals in 3 years for Barca, and we never labelled him "next big thing" after Messi and Cr7. That's what you guys are saying of Hazard despite the fact that he's a flop in Europe. Dribbles dribbles, no output. He's the reason you guys lost at home to Atletico Madrid. He's also the reason you guys lost to PSG. He was lost in that match.

In Europe, Hazard should be compared with the likes of Pedro. Neymar shits on Hazard any day.

JigsawKillah:
Ramires vs Barca 2012
Torres vs Barca 2012
yet they didn't make Balon D'or and Chelsea won the UCL
what is now your point?

Even Kanu Nwankwo scored against Barca @ Camp Nou. So what is your point?

Your win against Barca in 2012 was d biggest fluke in history of European football. That's why the two players can't enter top 50 players in European football.

I await the day you face Barca with Hazard in your team vs MSN. Ordinary PSG with a man down, Hazard activated ghost mode.

hensben:
you see how bias you are which great game did figo decide, did he win any trophy with portugal. if you watch figo play hazard is just like modern figo that's, their game is overall play with not much goals to it, neymar?lol most of his goals(97%) this season are tap-in from either suares or messi. you think sport pundit/analyst, legends in the game are stupid to be rating hazard higher than him this season. Lol.... i will keep saying this, a single player can't win trophy team does. there is a big chance that brazil will win next wc unlike belgium.

Which great game? I wish I could upload gifs like Coogar. Go and YouTube Madrid vs Manchester United in 2003 @ Bernabeu and check out the world class goal by Figo that Hazard can't ever dream of scoring.
That goal dampened the overall confidence of United players.

Yes, team wins trophies, but players in such teams become an icon in such matches. Ronaldo Lima vs United, Zidane vs Leverkusen, Messi vs United, Neymar vs PSG, C. Ronaldo vs Bayern, Robben vs Barca, etc

Where is the legacy of Hazard? Oh I remember....


2 UCL goals from open play in 3 years.

bigkesh:
if henry, pires, makelele, viera and thuram dash u a dirty slap ehn, u brain will reset........

He only scored in both finals and of cos was their best player

Hazard is chelsea best player but of cos Terry, costa, willian and Matic also did well if henry, pires, makelele, viera and thuram dash u a dirty slap ehn, ur brain will reset........

He only scored in both finals and of cos was their best player

Hazard is Chelsea's best player but of cos Terry, costa, willian and Matic also did well

Henry, Pires and the rest are not in d same level as Zidane. There are matches that immortalise a player. I gave Zidane as an example because he has decided great matches and finals. Hazard is in the same class with Pires, Overmars, and other very good wingers who happen to be in big teams.

However, he's not in the same classy wingers like Neymar, Figo, Robben, Ribery, C. Ronaldo. These guys have decided great games on their own.

Dribbles, dribbles, dribbles everytime, yet he has 2 goals from open play in 3 years of UCL action. Even Finidi George has a better stats. Abeg free me.

bigkesh:
he wont win.... We live in a world of goals....... But clearly, without an shadow of doubt, he z the 3rd....... If were to be in the days where Zidane won d Award without any big number of goals.... All he did was dribble, create chances and control the pitch..... No wonder Zidane was obsessed with Hazard all the way from Lille

What will we not see here? Comparing Zidane with Ikedia Hazard is a taboo.

Yes, Zidane didn't score many goals but...

He singlehandedly won the world cup for France in 1998

He singlehandedly won the CL for Madrid in 2002

Can you proudly say Hazard singlehandedly won the Epl or Europa for Chelsea.

raumdeuter:
Sorry that was a mistake I meant 5 goals in his total CL career both Lille and Chelsea combined

That 5 goals in the UCL career of Hazard Ikedia is the same 5 goals Neymar scored against PSG this season. The same PSG that Hazard was declared missing throughout.

jimmy4x:
Our lovely Eden Hazard alongside Messi, Ronaldo and Tevez made European Team of the season.
I'm so happy for him, in other news, Neymar, Bale, Suarez, Sanchez Rodriguez, Gotze, Pogba, Pastore, Di maria, Ozil, Ibra, Robben were no where to be found on the list **holds laugh**

http://m.goal.com/x/en-ng/gallery/4055/main/12283952/european-team-of-the-season/team-of-season/13

And goal.com is ur basis for player's performance? Even complete sports can bring out their team of the season.

Let's see if Hazard Ikedia will make fifa 11 during Fifa gala night for ballon d'or

coogar:
admit defeat when you are comparing a player that had a forward role all season to the one that only started playing as a winger in february.

what else are you going to compare? valencia's goal record to hazard's?



they knocked barca out over 2 legs.
1-0 at the bridge & they equalised 2 goals after they were a man down(terry's red card).

biko, spanish league is useless!
only 2 clubs in spain have won the champions league that is entering its 60th year anniversary next year.

your league is not different from scottish league. barca/madrid = celtic/rangers

Barca and Madrid are also the team to beat in UCL. Ur man utd team cannot beat any of Atletico, Sevilla, Valencia, and Bilbao.


Bring Barca and Madrid to the EPL, and see EPL turn into a 2-horse race. Bring ur current crop of man utd players to LA liga, and you guys won't enter top 6.

coogar:
so you were still a child when chelsea's 10-men knocked barcelona out of the UCL. chelsea are about the 6th most successful team in theEPL and yet they undressed spain's pride in the UCL.

Did Chelsea beat barca with 10 men? I can't even believe you could support the bus system of football. So Chelsea is your yardstick of EPL success in UCL?

Your league is crap bro. Deal with it.

coogar:
that achievement was in spite of the fatigue of the english clubs, not because of it. this is why your useless league went on strike for the non-payment of players. la liga has the same credibility of the nigerian league. the top 2 teams take about 40% of the entire TV revenue. it's a disgrace!.

It is actually ur overrated EPL that has the same credibility as the Nigerian league. Both are competitive in the sense that anyteam can beat any team because they are all average teams,

both leagues falter on the continental stage.

When did LA liga go on strike? Even if other 18 teams share 60% of the money, is it not a shame that the most successful team in EPL history got beaten by a team not even in top 4 of LA liga home and away?