Well, we live in a country that's very avaricious, glorifies "ruggedness", and a decent example of the dog eat dog idiom... The fact that a lot of Edolites refuse to tell themselves is that Benin is a f*cked up City, and its Edolites that f*cked it up; i mean the Country itself is already f*cked to be fair.
Sladem05: You’ve been regurgitating the same nonsense over and over again😂
Biased delusions? How is anything I stated bias if I used empirical evidence.
You don’t know what an uncle ruckus is
What did I say that is contradictory? You don’t want to accept the truth is all it is.
1). A contradictory delusion is this, and i find it dumb that you can't see it:
"Even other blacks themselves agree that Africa is a shithole", this coming after months ago, i said "I know several countries in Africa are shitholes and i'm not denying that Nigeria isn't a Shithole, but India too is a shithole"... And you said "India is not a shithole", and i told you "Even Indians themselves call India a shithole".
I even took the time to show some proof of such remarks back then, and that was just the ones i showed compared to many of such remarks i've personally seen, not to talk of the ones completely out there; and i remember you saying something in line of it doesn't matter what they say🤣🤣🤣... But yet, your comment today clearly states "Even other blacks agree", i guess it only matters when it's Black people being negative, but since it's Indian people being negative, Indian remarks on their country doesn't matter to you🤣🤣🤣.
This is just one of so many going back all the way to when we were talking about Black Americans.
2). I guess i have to explain why i call you an Uncle Ruckus because you are a dummy.
If you actually watched "The Boondocks" and understood the Uncle Ruckus character, you would have realised that Uncle Ruckus was not just known for being an unknowingly self-hating Black man who basically "worshipped" White people; he was also extremely biased and undermined anything that has to do with Black people in general, this specifically is the reason why i'm calling you an Uncle Ruckus.
If i wanted to say you worshipped white people, i would have called you an Uncle Tom, because that is the term specifically for people like that.... Like i told you, i don't just say stuff for saying sake.
If you like, you can go and hit your head on the wall in a bid to try and be convincing, that's none of my business, you are still nothing more than an Uncle Delusional Ruckus🤣🤣🤣.
This is the last time i will explain anything to you again, because i really wanted to explain to you why i call you an Uncle Ruckus; and how if you've watched The Boondocks, you are such a dummy to not even know that layer of the Uncle Ruckus character. Now that i'm done explaining it to you, i am very fulfilled in this conversation because i've not only called you out for what you are, but explained to you why i'm specifically calling you by that term... I can't take someone who comes back to a 6 month old conversation seriously, that just reeks of loneliness, i don't even do that with my friends because there's always new stuffs to do, not to talk of a stranger on the internet🤣🤣🤣.
You called it a "regurgitated nonsense", i wholeheartedly accept and i love that you called it that, it's a meaningful regurgitated nonsense, and i'm going into a full-on regurgitation mode from now on until i'm bored with this conversation... And note that the one thing you won't be getting this time is someone who was willing to be the bigger person and even appeal to your ego just to end a conversation because it was getting too long.
[quote author=Sladem05 post=135873526][/quote]Ah sh*t, i've started texting my comments on my notepad app to make sure i don't pinpoint another biased contradiction on your comments like i did your last comment... You see, i'm actually helping you so that you can keep your biased delusions, if no one points it out to you, it stays with you. I don't want you to shift the goalpost anymore, you may end up pushing it out of the pitch🤣🤣🤣.
Anyways, because of this, i couldn't be bothered to read this one Uncle Delusional Ruckus, maybe try the next one, i will try and read that one, i'm not making any promises though🤷🤷🤷.
Sladem05: Do you even know what an uncle ruckus is? I don’t worship white people 😂. Saying Africa is a shithole is not white worship. Even other blacks themselves agree Rather than whining and playing victim. Why don’t you just accept the info presented to you? I’m not prejudiced to anyone.
Sladem05: I only stopped commenting cause of Nairaland’s posting restrictions but looking back at our convo. It’s shocking to me as to how you believed much of what you said to be true.
You were the one that moved the goal posts. Our entire argument started because you didn’t want to admit that black societies weren’t on par with the rest of the world. Even that other guy is calling out your delusions. This thread was supposed to be about black Americans not India or Africa or wherever but you jsut didn’t want to admit that blacks societies don’t measure up to the rest of the world.
But looking back, I’m glad that nairaland has these restrictions so that I stopped having discourse with someone so emotional and delusional.
And you say I am big headed and have a prejudice? You’ve been dodging reality for too long.
And the thing is I looked back through much of our discourse and saw that at countless times you conceded. For example, when you conceded that Botswana is not even an industrialised country. The whole of Africa sef is is still not industrialised. You can’t build a real economy just selling raw stuff. That’s the trap Africa’s been stuck in for decades. Look at the Gulf even with oil money pouring in, they eventually realized that just extracting isn’t sustainable. That’s why Saudi, UAE, and Qatar are now racing to build industry, tourism, tech, and finance sectors because natural resources alone don’t build nations.
That’s why when you were comparing Africa or even the Carribean to other parts of the world. I never took your responses seriously. How am I meant to?
I see Uncle Delusional Ruckus just commented again, sorry but could you repeat what you said in another comment?, because i wasn't bothered to read it this time; you never know, i could maybe read it if you commented it again🤷🤷🤷.
[quote author=Sladem05 post=135867300][/quote]🥱🥱, Here comes the delusional prejudice Uncle Ruckus who should be a goal constructor, he's making more comments😂😂😂; like i will be bothered anymore to read the nonsense of a prejudice idiot.
Yes, this is how i will be treating your comments now... I was nice enough 6 months ago to appeal to your delusional prejudice ego just to end the conversation because it became too long, i won't be nice now since your ego is so bigheaded to think "Oh, let me come back to a conversation from 6 months ago", like that is the ultimate definition of having nothing else to do.
By the way, if you think i'm joking, i'm not even joking, i didn't read your nonsense, because i won't be bothered to read the prejudice slop of fools anymore... When you are ready to be unbiased and look things from an unbiased lens, i still won't be bothered anymore, because that option ended 6 months ago.
DeathParade: Dude, I got no clue what the other guy is saying to you. Maybe you're right and he is being mean or disrespectful, but the truth is the truth. So, let me clear the air with some facts here: GDP per capita (nominal, 2023):- India: $2487 Nigeria: $1646
Source: UN
Nigeria population: 238 Million India people lifted out of multidimensional poverty 2004-2019: 415 Million India people in multidimensional poverty (remaining in 2019): 229 Million (16.4% of population) India people in extreme poverty 2025: 15 Million (1% of population) Nigeria people in extreme poverty 2025: 72 Million (31% of population)
Sources: UN DP Multidimension Poverty Index 2022 (Image 1 below), https://worldpoverty.io/ (Image 2 below)
Life expectancy:- India: 72 years Nigeria: 54 years Human Development Index:- India: 0.685 Nigeria: 0.560
Source: UN HDI report (see Image 3 below)
Both India and Nigeria have broadly similar issues. India is growing faster than Nigeria economically speaking. Therefore India is overcoming its problems faster than Nigeria is. This is not because of skin color obviously, as you insinuate that other dude is saying. One major factor is economic complexity. Nigeria might want to work on that.
Meanwhile, you are here suggesting that a nation that has lifted 415 Million people out of multidimensional poverty and has reduced its extreme poverty rate to 1% of population while also successfully sending rockets to the Moon three times and once to Mars, is somehow "not doing anything." Sorry but facts do not bear out your assertions.
Oh, how i wish you could read all our comments from 6 months ago and understand how i have pointed all these out to him... I have never once said here that Nigeria was better than India, i have even insulted Nigeria severally on here, i have even called Nigeria as being "worse" than India; and when i meant not doing anything, you have to also understand the context of our comments so far. When i said it was prejudice based, i didn't just say it for "saying sake", the undermining and insulting and pushing of the goalpost anytime it comes to Black people is so telling that even a few other people back then was telling him that "dude, you are being really biased", but the issue is that you won't be able to read all our comments so far because there have been so many.
I will give an example with the defecation topic... This dude tried mocking several African countries with the open defecation issue, and when i pointed it out that this even more of an issue in India, this dude tried reiterating his comment, and tried undermining the severity of open defecation in general; and i told him back then that "The only reason you're trying to undermine it now is because i pointed it out that this is a very big issue too in India than several of the African countries.
The dude is prejudice, i just don't use that word on anybody because that will be stupid, that is why i will start answering his comments like the prejudice slop that it is.
[quote author=Sladem05 post=135863291][/quote]🥱🥱, I didn't read all that slop, but i will comment on what you said at the beginning.
If anybody has been bitter this whole time, it's you... I've constantly given India their flowers, even wished the best for them several times while calling out the issues of the country, while you try to constantly overlook the issues, and try to be Mr Futuristic psychic anytime it comes to India. Then for Africans, it's all about the issues to you; India can constantly be about the future and not the present, but no African country can ever be about the future to you.
You are clearly prejudiced, you find anyway to mock Black people, constantly shift the goalpoat to suit your rhetoric when it comes to Black people; do you know how many times i caught you with you own ideology 6 months ago, and all you will do is shift the goalpost to suit your delusion... Every single mocking stance i mocked India with 6 months ago started with you using the same stance on African countries; even when i talked about India defecation issue, it started with you mocking some African countries and their defecation issues, that's when i went to check and found out that India had an even bigger defecation issue on the subject than African countries.
Then you are going to have the guts to say "Sounds like you're bitter", when you are clearly extremely prejudice and hateful. I've never in my life thought India is doing better nor be bitter about it, because that's stupid; i check their countless issues and their progress if any, and wish the best for them... And you so far couldn't have been more wrong, i've been proven right so far because India has barely done anything, but you have the guts and pettiness to desperately come back here and be like "You couldn't be more wrong" when i couldn't be more right so far; did your mother mistakenly drop you on your head when you were a baby?, because that's the only way to explain this level of delusion.
Your prejudice was the reason why 6 months ago, i gave up and was like "you know what, i'm just going to end this by suiting this guy's ego", you thought i agreed with the prejudiced hateful shifting of the goalpost nonsense you were saying?😂😂😂... Bro, like i said, i was done with this conversation 6 months ago, your words are nothing more than prejudice slop that should be treated as such.
Sladem05: You compared a country that will one day stand toe to toe with the US and China to a continent that is more or less China’s bitch. India is essentially just a browned, poorer version of China. Do you see Africans making such waves in STEM and so on?
Wow looking back at this I can't believe you thought you were right. This aged terribly. 😂Where is Africa? Africa is nowhere the southeast asian economies. India’s IQ is far higher.
Most proper studies — like the ones in the Intelligence of Nations by Lynn & Becker — put India’s average IQ at around 76.2. That’s based on a mix of tests from different states and backgrounds. Not perfect, but still decently broad and more reliable than what we’ve got for a lot of other countries.
Now, Botswana’s numbers? They’re all over the place. You’ll sometimes see 81.4 quoted, but here’s the catch — that came from a super narrow test of Tswana-speaking high school kids taking exams in English, which already skews things massively. Plus, that higher figure wasn’t even from an actual IQ test — it was a “school attainment IQ” adjusted from academic performance, not raw cognitive ability. Not really the same thing.
If you go with the original data from the same source (Lynn & Becker), Botswana scores around 69.5. That number might sound low, but it actually lines up better with similar countries in the region. And even researchers like Wicherts have pointed out that a lot of African IQ studies suffer from tiny, unrepresentative samples — so both the high and low numbers can be kinda dodgy.
Meanwhile, India’s 76 isn’t from some elite school in one city — it’s based on actual nationwide testing over years. Even Brght, that online IQ test site that people love quoting, gives India a score of 88.5, while Botswana scores lower, usually in the low 80s or upper 70s depending on the dataset.
So yeah, when you zoom out and compare the most solid, apples-to-apples data? India comes out clearly higher than Botswana. The only time Botswana looks higher is when people use selective or inflated numbers from small student groups. India’s data isn’t perfect either, but it’s broader, more stable, and more legit.
Sladem05: ‘And hardly any calls them unsuccessful; just like the American article, i can find bad articles about any country, but the levels to it matters’
. “The United States: An ‘Exceptional’ Failed State” – The American Prospect This article examines systemic issues in the U.S., arguing that certain failures in governance and policy resemble those foul
America’s Slide Toward ‘Failed State’ Status” – The New Republic This piece discusses the decline in democratic norms and institutions in the U.S., comparing it to trends seen in failing states
And there is plenty more where that came from. If we had to post every bad article about the US from every analyst. We would break nairaland servers 😂 you saying that their limited is absolute BS. I’ve disproven that along with many other things you’ve spewed. An analyst can create something that both fits/doesn’t fit your agenda. There are far more articles surrounding the US as a failed country than Botswana because the US is a far more popular country thus people will obviously care more to critique a country than Botswana. Now you can’t seriously tell me that all those analysts are right?😂
Do you have selective memory? You only care when you can find a lot of articles of analysts saying something good about a country but not when you can do something saying bad. I have proven that you are naive for believe everything an analyst says. The same analysts have created countless of articles about countries like USA being failed states 😂😂
Calling someone “coping” is just noise—it’s an attempt to provoke without actually saying anything meaningful. It doesn’t affect me, especially coming from someone I don’t know. As for what you’ve “proved”? It’s more what you believe you’ve proved. The current IQ stats from experienced analysts who have done proper calculations don’t just disappear because they don’t align with your argument. Making up your own criteria, like selectively calculating a mean, doesn’t change the facts. If the analysts’ data doesn’t match your claims, then what you’re presenting is just your opinion.
When we compare IQ data for Nepal and India to African countries, the difference is clear. Recent and older studies consistently place Nepal’s IQ in the high 70s to low 80s and India’s in the low 80s, with urban areas scoring even higher. Meanwhile, most African countries score in the mid-60s to low 70s. Even with variations across datasets, Nepal and India’s IQs are higher than those of any African country. The data is there—it’s not about opinions or cherry-picking, but what the evidence consistently shows.
No one will take you seriously for comparing black and Asian intelligence. You deep down know blacks are dumber than Asians 😂🤣. That’s why you didn’t respond to South Asian exams being much harder or their education systems being much more competitive 😂. This guy you think your smart 😂😂🤣🤣
‘Bro, i am getting sleepy, i thought you would go on overdrive mode on the Black insults, but they've been lackluster at best🥱🥱🥱. I expected way better’ You’ve done all the crazy things. There are literally countless studies stating that blacks had by far the lowest IQs
"Comparing Black and Asian Intelligence", i know East Asians are smart; South Asians, specifically Indian and Nepal on the other handare monkey brained... Even if we go by your stupid mean ruling, Nigeria in the 2000s, 81, in 2017, 84, in 2020s, 69; Nepal, 70s all through, with a higher literacy mark that hit 81 in 2010, 2020s, 73 by Lynn... But like i said, generalise and do all the mean if you want to, you're entitled to your own view. I gave up on this conversation when i realised that recent data showed that you could never change my mind; and i obviously won't yours; so what's the point of going on a repetitive-toxic back and forth with someone i don't know... It's kind of stupid actually now that i think about it.
And oh, images are back... By the way, i didn't read any of the long opinionated rubbish you wrote, i really don't have the time for that, i just saw the images and the "comparing"; 2017, when i told you that Nigeria was in the 80s, the other doesn't even get dated.
Anyway, actual recent data from this decade, and not some 2002, 2006, or 2010 shit when Education structure per country was different, be it better or worse per the country👇... "There are countless studies", there are also several recent studies🤷🤷; but keep on with your rhetorics. * 1st photo from a version of the peer review. * You should know the rest down, i remember you actively lied about World Population review data at one point, like i didn't have eyes seeing the data myself... But keep on doing your own personal mean trying to claim being "correct" if it does validate your views; like i said, you are entitled to your own opinions.
You could go study online IQ tests like Brght, i don't really like Brght though, some issues; but it is one of the most popular on the field tests out there... Anyway, calculated recent datas by experienced analysts are the best criteria out there, not some Nairaland dude. Nobody will take you seriously bringing out yours.
BTW, you gave me articles majorly based off U.S political climate that we all know is extremely harsh, and then just generalized the context🤦🤦🤦. Did you even read the articles you sent, like calling U.S a "failed state" due to Donald Trump's first tenure being seen as having failed, which is actually quite a popular consensus especially on inflation rates, especially from articles late in his term; and we've all read about the great depression dude... You actually always make me laugh, difference is i don't even care anymore, be entitled to your opinion.
And you definitely can find analysts and bad reports of Botswana. every country has theme
But when did I ever say analysts opinion are more important than a person’s opinion. Analysts jsut anlayses the data they didn’t create said data.
You’re definitely naive and foolish for believing analysts. I proved that south Asians are smarter, harder working etc with much infinitely better technology and a much more modernised society. You’ve spent this entire argument coping. You’re trying to tell me that an economy that is not industrialised is successful.
"And you definitely can find analysts and bad reports of Botswana"
And hardly any calls them unsuccessful; just like the American article, i can find bad articles about any country, but the levels to it matters.
"You’re definitely naive and foolish for believing analysts. I proved that south Asians are smarter, harder working etc with much infinitely better technology and a much more modernised society. You’ve spent this entire argument coping. You’re trying to tell me that an economy that is not industrialised is successful".
Your first statement makes me laugh given your own heavy reliance on it, the pot really does call the Kettle black.
Saying someone is "coping" is projecting your insinuation on that person, basically like a jarring remark; It is basically just Jagons meant to rile people up. You should know that doesn't affect me, at least, not from someone i don't know... You proved?, yea, you believe you proved is more like it; the current stats. on IQ ratings by experienced analysts who actually took the time to do their own calculations doesn't just run away, creating your own criterias of doing "Mean" doesn't change them. If the data from experienced analysts doesn't match what you "proved", it is just your personal opinions then.
Bro, i am getting sleepy, i thought you would go on overdrive mode on the Black insults, but they've been lackluster at best🥱🥱🥱. I expected way better.
Sladem05: So based on that aljazeera article I sent to you. America is a failed state. The guy that wrote that article was a professor 😂
And where is the most analysts? Some will say it is successful and others will say it isn’t😂 And their opinions are irrelevant here. You have to form one of your own
I have never met someone so foolish and naive before.
Experience said, they make mistakes like us. I would rather trust someone that is from the country than an analyst 😂 Why do you place so much faith in them?
Your entire argument about Botswana being successful is based on some guys opinion😂😂
"Your entire argument about Botswana being successful is based on some guys opinion😂"
If you think so, cool... Hardly any analysts literally uses unsuccessful to describe Botswana, but keep going on.
"Experience said, they make mistakes like us. I would rather trust someone that is from the country than an analyst".
But yet, not Indians talking about their own country; alright, i guess you're entitled to your viewpoint.
"I have never met someone so foolish and naive before".
Do you want to know what's shocking?, i think the exact same way about you, who would have thought.
Anyway; do you have anymore, i am expecting way rigorous black insults, you ain't doing a very good job of this at all.
Sladem05: I told you that blacks are responsible for their own failures. I told you that everyone had systemic issues not just the blacks. You weren’t having it. You just didn’t want to accept that blacks failed time and time again.
I said using empirical information like statistics is the best way to look at how a country is doing.
An analyst opinion and a mathematical projection are two completely different things. Offcourse I’ll give a lot more credence to a mathematical projection than an analysts opinion. One is bias and the other isn’t.
I already told you before that the fact that some analysts said Botswana is successful. Analysts can and have been wrong in the past. In fact I told you that how one determines success can be subjective.
I and a lot of other people will call BS on whatever the analysts said about Botswana. If you had to ask me which country I’d rather live in. India any day of the week. South Asia in general any day of the week 😂 you can’t compare the two. I’m sorry but Bleep your analysts. If they were right why do more people from allover the world travel to India and botswanna?😂 Botswanna actually has too many problems.
And that’s why I entertained this debate for so long because it was super hard for me to take you seriously as you jsut seemed so misguided. Not just blindly believing what an analysts say but it’s hilarious when you said that most analysts say x country is successful. Based on what, the internet is vast space. There are thousands if not millions of analysts on this topic. Are you telling that almost every one of them will think Botswana is successful? 😂 You can’t be this stupid. Some will say it is, some will say otherwise. Not even everyone believes that western countries like the USA or UK or Germany not to talk of Botswana.
But that doesn’t make it true because some analyst said so😂😂
Well, since it's most analysts, it just makes you the exception with your own criterias; Just because you said so doesn't make it true... I will take the words of the several analysts anyday; sorry if that means not taking yours, Analysts are just way more experienced over things like this compared to some Nairaland user. So i will take their side.
But anyway, do you have anymore insults... You should have, i have been expecting pure insults on the Black Race, like the M-word?, you should be doing better, you have the f*cking floor man.
Sladem05: You and your analysts. If your analysts told you to jump off a skyscraper would you do it? 😂 your so naive.
There is no developed or prosperous or successful Black Country. You’ve been debunked several times.
"You and Your analysts"... Your very argument that started this whole extremely long talk was India's projections, i clearly remember; i tried talking to you about the countless Systemic issues, but you were not having it, saying that the analysis from analysts was the most important way. I remember because your heavy reliance on analysis was the very reason i thought about Botswana in the first place.
Sladem05: 🤣🤣🤣😂 to think you’ve backed down is crazy . This all Just started from the fact that I said blacks can’t build a successful society and that ALL BLACK countries are shitholes
Statistical Wrong by several analysts... But like i said, you have the floor.
Oh, i didn't even come close to agreeing to that, i made that clear in my first comment, creating your own criterias doesn't even come close to making your own narrative valid over actual analysts... If anything, i am beginning to actually have Black Pride, something i never even imagined i would have ever thought of before😂😂😂... I am just giving you the floor?.
So do you have any more Insults on the Black Race?, you have the floor?.
I get your point, but focusing only on the recent numbers doesn’t give the full picture. Yes, some sources put India’s IQ at 77 and Nepal’s at 73, but if you dig deeper into the research, you’ll see that India’s average IQ is closer to 81-84 across more comprehensive studies. The 77 figure is just one part of a bigger trend, which includes improvements in education, healthcare, and urban-rural divides.
As for Nepal, the 73 is there in some studies, but most others put it in the low 80s. That 43.99 number is only for their tribes. The key here is that IQs are not static—they change over time. Ignoring older studies or trends misses how things have improved. Using both old and new data together gives a better overall understanding of where countries like India and Nepal stand, and the data points to higher IQs than just the 77 or 73 you keep mentioning.
South Asians are clearly smarter not just in IQ but also academic Perfomance. Blacks can’t do shit when it comes to math, science etc for the most part.
"Blacks can’t do shit when it comes to math, science etc for the most part."
Cool, this is not the first time you are insulting the Black Race, insult all you want. What i know is that recent data shows that the IQ of India and Nepal is around the range of many African Nations, that's the pot calling the Kettle Black... I know Analysts deem Botswana successful; you can agree with it or not, or bring in your own personal criterias, that's your own business... So every rhetoric you say, data says something else; and until someone comes into this Nairaland and starts looking at your own Criterias and actually agree to it, the perception will always be different.
Lastly: Any projections you talked on India, i wish them all the best, and hope it works out for them.
So you can insult all you want, you have the flour.
Alright, let’s take a step back and break it down properly.
First off, it’s important to recognize that data changes over time. You’re right that there’s newer research showing India at a 77, and that’s definitely part of the conversation. However, when you only focus on one study or dataset, you ignore the bigger picture. The average IQ for a country isn’t something that’s locked in stone—it’s subject to change based on factors like education, healthcare, nutrition, and socio-economic conditions.
Here’s the key part: Lynn and others have consistently updated their reviews, and they’ve used a wide range of studies to draw conclusions. So while some recent data puts India at 77, other studies, including Lynn’s more recent ones, show that India’s IQ has been improving over time and is generally seen closer to 81-84.
It’s easy to cherry-pick numbers, but when you look at a broader picture—across multiple studies and years—you get a more accurate view.
As for Nepal, the consistent numbers put it around 78-81, not near the 43.99 number you mentioned.
The bottom line: • India: The data overall points to an IQ in the 80s, not just 77. • Nepal: Same story—data shows 78-81 consistently.
You can’t ignore the full body of work just because some new data gives a different number. It’s about context and trends, and while numbers might vary, the general range for both countries falls in the 80-ish zone, not below that. So, no, I haven’t “lost” here—I’m just looking at the whole picture, not cherry-picked figures.
You lost, get over it. Accept it that the Asians are better.
You can say i hate South Asians all you like, it doesn't change datas done by actual Analysts... You ranting on more jangos is literally the personification of you; "i must undermine the analysts because he made an analysis that doesn't suit my agenda"... Nobody will see this your late comments and think this individual is sane; imagine going against analysts who did their own calculations because "Your Ego is hurt"... I literally went into that Lynn peer review blindly, because i don't have an Ego of always wanting to be right, you have a big Ego on that.
India is at a 77, Nepal is a 73 by recent datas; anybody checks the recent data, that's what they see. Accept it, you lost, all your rhetorics are not what the data says, you've always just brought in your own criteria to try and claim right, and i've been laughing at that for a long time, it's partly what has kept me interested in this conversation for so long.
That number from World Population Review isn’t an IQ score—it’s probably some other metric being misread. Every serious study, whether by Lynn or others, places Nepal’s IQ between 73 and 81, depending on the source.
Let’s be real: an IQ of 43.99 would mean extreme cognitive impairment across the entire population, which clearly isn’t the case. Nepal’s education and societal achievements don’t line up with that number.
2. India’s IQ isn’t stuck at 77
Yes, the 77 figure pops up in some datasets like World Population Review, but it’s not the full story. Studies—both older and newer—show India’s IQ is more likely between 81-84. • Urban areas in India are often above 85. • Rural areas bring the overall average down, but it’s still not stuck at 77.
If you only look at one number and ignore the rest, you miss the bigger picture.
3. What about “old data”?
Sure, Lynn’s earlier work from 2006 might feel outdated, but here’s why it still matters: • Lynn himself updated his research in later years, and those updates still reference earlier data to track progress over time. • IQ isn’t static—it changes with improvements in education, nutrition, and healthcare (thanks to the Flynn Effect).
Older data isn’t useless. It helps us see how things have improved, and recent studies back up the trends Lynn highlighted.
4. The realistic averages
If you take all the available data, this is where the numbers land: • Nepal: Most studies put it between 78-81. • India: Averages out closer to 81-84, depending on the dataset.
So, no, Nepal isn’t 43.99, and India isn’t just 77. That’s cherry-picking specific numbers without looking at the whole picture.
5. Why use both old and new data?
It’s pretty simple: combining older and newer studies gives a more accurate picture. Researchers do this all the time to get a balanced view and filter out any outliers.
If we only rely on one recent source, we risk ignoring decades of evidence. And no, calculating an average isn’t “going over Lynn”—it’s the exact method Lynn used in his research.
The bottom line • Nepal’s IQ is realistically closer to 78-81, not 43.99. • India’s IQ is around 81-84, not stuck at 77. • Using old and new data together isn’t “deflection” or “delusion”—it’s how research actually works.
The argument that “2006 is too old” doesn’t hold up because newer studies confirm what older ones suggested: both India and Nepal are well above the numbers being claimed here. This isn’t about “losing” or “winning”—it’s just what the evidence shows.
Newer studies shows India is at a 77, studies done in our recent timeframe puts India at a 77... "Both India and Nepal are well above the numbers claimed here" are emotional jangos when no recent data supports it; the analysts did do their data calculations, that's why you had Nations improve or not, stop trying to act like you're some Analytical genius that's better than others, when you're just some Nairaland user who has too much of an Ego that he even undermines reputable Analysts if it doesn't suit his agenda... You lost, accept it.
1. “You can’t calculate the mean because most studies are old.”
That’s not how research works. Combining older and newer studies is a common method called meta-analysis, and it’s exactly what Lynn did in his own research. Here’s why it makes sense: • Older studies add context: They show how IQ levels have changed over time with better education, healthcare, and living conditions (the Flynn Effect). • Recent studies build on older ones: Newer research doesn’t make older data useless—it either confirms it or adjusts it based on updated conditions.
Even Lynn used this approach, so calculating an average across multiple datasets isn’t “going over Lynn.” It’s the same method he followed to produce his results.
2. “India is 77, and Nepal is 73.”
Not quite. These numbers come from specific sources like the World Population Review, but they’re not the full picture. • Other studies, including updates by Lynn and UNESCO data, consistently put India in the low 80s (usually 81-84) and Nepal around 78-81. • Urban areas in both countries have IQs of 85+, but rural areas bring the averages down. Ignoring these differences gives a skewed result.
So, while 77 and 73 might appear in some reports, they don’t represent the consensus across all studies.
3. “If the Lynn review had favored you, you’d never stop talking about it.”
That’s funny, but the truth is Lynn’s updated work actually supports the idea that India’s IQ is closer to 82-84, not 77. This aligns with other studies showing gradual improvement in IQ levels due to better living standards.
The key point here is that Lynn himself uses older data to inform his conclusions. So, if we dismiss old studies, we’re also dismissing the foundation of his research.
4. “You only go by recent data.”
This sounds good on the surface but doesn’t work in practice. Here’s why: • IQ is influenced by long-term factors like education and health. To understand trends, you need both old and new data. • Recent studies vary wildly. Some put India at 77, others at 85. The only way to get a realistic number is to average the data.
Relying on just one recent study without looking at the bigger picture is cherry-picking.
5. Why Averaging Studies is Valid
Lynn himself averaged data from different years and regions. That’s how proper analysis is done: • Averages smooth out inconsistencies across individual studies. • They account for outliers, giving a more balanced view.
Saying “you can’t calculate the mean” misses the point—this is exactly how serious researchers work.
Conclusion: The Bigger Picture 1. India’s IQ: • When you look at all the data, India’s average IQ is closer to 81-84, with urban areas often scoring 85+. • The figure of 77 from World Population Review is just one estimate—it’s not the full story. 2. Nepal’s IQ: • Nepal averages closer to 78-81, not 73. Rural areas lower the national average, but urban regions show higher scores. 3. Old + New Data is Essential: • Using both gives a complete picture, showing trends over time and explaining why IQ levels vary.
Ignoring older studies isn’t being accurate—it’s cherry-picking to fit a narrative. The evidence shows that India and Nepal are well above African averages, and the numbers for India consistently fall in the low 80s when all studies are considered.
If anything, relying on a single “recent” study and dismissing the rest feels more like deflection than solid reasoning. That’s the real checkmate
😂😂😂, I didn't read whatever long shit you wrote... The analysts have all done all the data calculation; are you this dense?. Oh the analysts said something that doesn't suit my agenda, he most be wrong; he said something that suits my agenda, he is very much right🤡🤡🤡... What the f*ck is actually wrong with you, all major recent datas puts India at a 77, the analysts are not dumb, you stop trying to be... What made me laugh is he actually tried putting a literate survey of Nepal in there that was the only one that went about 80😂😂😂, 2010 too😂😂😂.
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