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bigfrancis21: @Bold...please that's your own personal records. Never has that being claimed orally by our grandparents or Igbos in general. African Americans are doing DNA testing, with results turning up Igbo, Congo, Angola(Mvibundu), Akan etc. Clearly, your 'records' are mere speculations and product of cynicism.

Igbo slaves were taken in quite substantial numbers(approximately 1.3 million), however it would be very wrong to claim what you just did.

Finally, when did the slave trade become a conspiracy? Do you just sit down thinking of what to accuse the british of? Honestly, your cynicism is getting out of hand.

Na, Listen. Who is doing all those dna testing? Do you know that Ibom to basically congo-south Africa(xhosa) are the same people. Having the same pattern of names. Igbo is not a people but a location. Our fathers told us that we came fleeing war from around this same senegambian area. The OYO/benin/IJO have a history of slaving Igbos. The fulani also have documentation of Igbo slaves. The calabar too. Then, when you go to angola you see rudiments of Igbos speaking an igboid language. And we know that slaves taken to Angola were not taken from Igboland. Igboland had slave raids until the British "supposed" abolition of slavery. This all can't be a mere coincidence. And I don't accuse the british of anything. Their actions accuse them of their crimes against my people.

bigfrancis21: How then can your great grand parents, who are your supposed 'sources of records', be present in Africa and know what happened in the America? Is their oral narration any more valid than written and documented sources?

No my brothers, that were the slaves in the Americas gave their own records.They say it all the time.

Antivirus92: @op, let me correct u. The bini never founded any igbo community but many bini migrants settled among already existing igbo settlements. Don't make that mistake again. Secondly, igbo was a tribe bt now a nation. Igbos share many things in common. The only problem to united igbo history today are those "adopted" igbos especially at igbo borders. Like arochukwu,abiriba,onitsha,ngwa etc. They are mixture of igbos and non igbos and so is their culture.

You forgot nri-awka Kingdom, which is likely an extension of benin-idah kingdom. Awka is oka. And Oka is an important town in benin. Most of the peoples here might be Igbo but the "royalty" is not Igbo. Onitsha, and ngwa may have strangers amongst them but they are still majority Igbo. Delta and Rivers Igbos are very mixed (Though still majority Igbo) and very hard to distinguish . Aro is same with Nri/Awka with a mixture of Ibibio. And out of Aro came Abam, Nkanu, Item, Ohafia, Abiriba, Afikpo (All those peoples along these east flanks of Igboland). Central Igbo dwellers (heartland) are the least mixed Igbos. Though they still have Aro amongst them.

bigfrancis21: Well, it might interest you to know that not only the Brits kept slave records. The french, spanish and portuguese also kept well-detailed records, all of which the term, 'Ibo' was well-recorded.

So if you are cynical about the Brits, are you also cynical about the French, Spanish and Portuguese as well?

Note that each of these nationalities tended to preferr certain slaves. The Brits preferred Igbo, Congolese, and Angolan slaves. That is why Igbo legacies left behind in the Americas are strongest in current English-speaking countries(former British colonies such as US, Jamaica, Anglophone Caribbean nations). The Portuguese preferred Yoruba(or Nago, Lukumi, Aku etc).

Equiano's slave account is a quite factual account. That you choose to write it off out of cynicism is left to you. His experience, indepth details, and knowledge of the Igbo customs of the 18th century are quite concrete to have been fabricated by the British as you'd rather believe. His observation of the striking similarity between Igbo customs of yore and Hebraic customs is striking, giving that hundreds of years later, the same is still being said. That also proves his account valid to an extent.

His mentioning of his father's age grade group, Mgbirichi(Mbrenche) lends another strong factor. The same age grade exists in Imo state today. An area in Ohaji/Egbema LGA of Imo state exists, called 'Mgbirichi', along Owerri-PH road long after FUTO junction. The british could have known a details as minute as this.

Olauda Ikwuano's name is written in the annals of the world's notable men by the British.

It is my aim to bring to your realization the factual aspects of Equiano's(Ikwuano) account. Whether you choose to accept it or not is left you.

Posting a slaver's records of his slavery, is like quoting a Nigerian account of the Biafran civil war. Or a defendant, vouching for himself. It is unacceptable anywhere, anytime.

bigfrancis21: Well, it might interest you to know that not only the Brits kept slave records. The french, spanish and portuguese also kept well-detailed records, all of which the term, 'Ibo' was well-recorded.

So if you are cynical about the Brits, are you also cynical about the French, Spanish and Portuguese as well?

Note that each of these nationalities tended to preferr certain slaves. The Brits preferred Igbo, Congolese, and Angolan slaves. That is why Igbo legacies left behind in the Americas are strongest in current English-speaking countries(former British colonies such as US, Jamaica, Anglophone Caribbean nations). The Portuguese preferred Yoruba(or Nago, Lukumi, Aku etc).

Equiano's slave account is a quite factual account. That you choose to write it off out of cynicism is left to you. His experience, indepth details, and knowledge of the Igbo customs of the 18th century are quite concrete to have been fabricated by the British as you'd rather believe. His observation of the striking similarity between Igbo customs of yore and Hebraic customs is striking, giving that hundreds of years later, the same is still being said. That also proves his account valid to an extent.

His mentioning of his father's age grade group, Mgbirichi(Mbrenche) lends another strong factor. The same age grade exists in Imo state today. An area in Ohaji/Egbema LGA of Imo state exists, called 'Mgbirichi', along Owerri-PH road long after FUTO junction. The british could have known a details as minute as this.

Olauda Ikwuano's name is written in the annals of the world's notable men by the British.

It is my aim to bring to your realization the factual aspects of Equiano's(Ikwuano) account. Whether you choose to accept it or not is left you.

Well from our own records. Most, if not all the slaves to the Americas (South -> North) were Igbo. From the Senegambian region to the Nigerian region. They were all Igbo. Even the ones that were taken to Angola were Igbos too (Google Igbos in angola). When those slaves got to America. They were stripped of their names. Do you really believe that, the same people that conspicuously stripped them of their names to hide their identity; would keep record of their identity. I put it to you, that they (The slavers) already knew their identity (Nigers according to the slavers), they kept record of the location (Igbo,Moko,Yoruba (OYO), Gambia, Senegalese, Angola). There were other black people there whom the white slavers used very conveniently, as spies and disciplinarians. These ones, sometimes had their own slaves too. Equaino had slaves. Was promoted by Britain. How did that happen? Listen this slavery thing was/is one big conspiracy.

kikuyu1: Here's the first King Feisal,son of the black abdul Rahman al Feisal. with Zionist architect himself Chaim Weizmann over a 100 years ago.

https://i2.wp.com/www.intifada-palestine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Weizmann_and_feisal_1918.jpg?resize=480%2C378

On the same page Netanyahu actually admits how the 2 countries are great friends. People,everything is a sham until proven otherwise!!

Hahahaha. How are those people black. They are just as caucasian as their Jewish caucasian counterparts. LOL. It is a secret. Yeah Right!

bigfrancis21: Equiano's statement of being from a vale called 'Ebo' is an implied one. In his same account, he referred to Igbo people in America and Caribbean as 'my fellow Ebo countrymen'.

The cause of the argument here was the usage of 'Ibo' which you thought didn't exist before the white men, which did of course. You're not knowledgeable about the slave trade because if you were you would have known this.

Even though Igbo slaves did not identify as Igbo before they left Africa and arrived US where they met the 'Ibo' term, slave records and articles show that these Igbo slaves seemed to have accepted this Ibo general classification and helped to unite them, hence making them see themselves as one.

I gave some instances of this Ibo term intra usage between Igbos themselves and between Igbos and other tribes in my last post to Abagworo.

British slave masters were not interested in the specific tribal sub-clan origins of their slaves, they noticed similar language dialects which they used to lump related slaves together. It seems that at a point, all the Igbo sub-clan slaves brought in from Bonny/Calabar axis were refereed to as 'Igbo'. Bight of Bonny/Calabar(Bonny especially) became tantamount to 'Ibo'. Of course the whites knew the difference between Igbo slaves and Moko(Ibibio)/Efik slaves, the latter which were much fewer than Igbo slaves in number.

And I kind of don't believe anything coming from the brits. Including their records. Equiano is also not legit to me, because of his relationship with his supposed slavers. And the way this same record is being promoted by the same culprits. I refuse to accept those records. I will stick to narratives from affected communities in Igboland. We know that some people connived with the white people to raid and sell our people. Equiano might very well be one of them.

bigfrancis21: Equiano's statement of being from a vale called 'Ebo' is an implied one. In his same account, he referred to Igbo people in America and Caribbean as 'my fellow Ebo countrymen'.

The cause of the argument here was the usage of 'Ibo' which you thought didn't exist before the white men, which did of course. You're not knowledgeable about the slave trade because if you were you would have known this.

Even though Igbo slaves did not identify as Igbo before they left Africa and arrived US where they met the 'Ibo' term, slave records and articles show that these Igbo slaves seemed to have accepted this Ibo general classification and helped to unite them, hence making them see themselves as one.

I gave some instances of this Ibo term intra usage between Igbos themselves and between Igbos and other tribes in my last post to Abagworo.

British slave masters were not interested in the specific tribal sub-clan origins of their slaves, they noticed similar language dialects which they used to lump related slaves together. It seems that at a point, all the Igbo sub-clan slaves brought in from Bonny/Calabar axis were refereed to as 'Igbo'. Bight of Bonny/Calabar(Bonny especially) became tantamount to 'Ibo'. Of course the whites knew the difference between Igbo slaves and Moko(Ibibio)/Efik slaves, the latter which were much fewer than Igbo slaves in number.

My argument is not that Igbo people are not related. My argument is that they are related but migrated from different directions. And that some of them migrated much later. Especially those who their language pattern tend to be isolated and those that speak more of another language than Igbo. And that some of us are not related. Especially those that came much later.

ezeagu: You're wrong.

For now he statement is valid. We are yet to see a verifiable proof of any slave identifying themselves as Igbo. Equaino said Igbo country, and not people. There is a difference. By then, the place had probably been named

Research Biafran war and you will see Nigerian soldiers in action.

ezeagu: Surely if the slave dealers are calling somewhere the Ibo or Eboe country, doesn't that also mean the people there are the Eboe people or tribe? It's also questionable whether this was at first a geographic term because the anthropological description of Igbo slaves then matches Igbo people today, as well as cultural Eboe elements which are specifically from known Igbo-speaking groups. The classification of Ibo territory was rough and it sometimes included areas that are not today considered Igbo, yet those people when leaving their homes didn't adopt Ibo, like closely related Ibibio who were known as 'Moko'. But even if the term came from naming the place first (after what?) it's still recorded that people identified and were identified as Eboe as early as the 18th century, and we can't forget Olaudah Equiano who explicitly called himself Eboe and referred to the term as something people from his home country identified with.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Williamsburg_VA_slave_notice_1766.jpg

The name Eboe probably came from the slave buyers themselves. Because Nobody can tell us what that means. So we have two records now. Yorubas called it Igbo, and white people called it eboe.

bigfrancis21: Igbo has been known and recorded for several decades before the White man came to the Nigerian polity. The Igbo ethnic group was well documented in slave trade records, accounts and published works by several authors on the Trans-atlantic slave trade from as early as 1600. Igbo was recorded as 'Ibo'. Alternative spellings were 'Ebo', 'Eboe', 'Heebo'.

In the same vein, Yorubas were recorded more as 'Nago', and 'Lukumi', and to a lesser extent 'Yoruba'.

Where are these records and who made them. Those heebo and eboe and ebo thing are lies promulgated by people in Igboland that are conniving with white people to distort our history. And claim to be related to white people. That, I think is disgusting. And this makes those "Igbo" communities suspect in the minds of many "Igbo" people.

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How much to buy the office of the warden and all his men and guns.

Abagworo: I never heard of Eri until I started reading peoples work. 90% of Igbos don't know what is Eri until they are taught in school about it. Are you aware that my great-grandparents did not accept the word Igbo? Some people were called Igbo as a derogatory word and not as a tribe. Does it not surprise you that no slave recorded his ethnic groups as Igbo or Yoruba and most never even heard of the names?

Some yorubas claim to have been the ones to have name us Igbo. Meaning bush people. I highly doubt that tho. Because I don't see any bush demarcating us. Another explanation is that we were refugees (or subjects/slaves) in these yoroboid areas before war or emacipation. I think war is more like it.

All those people calling themselves kings in Igboland are mad. For one most Igbo do not know about their existence. These are warrant chiefs turn kings. And warrant chiefs were actually bad guys that turned against their own people, in favour of white people. I can't believe that some people are actually entertaining these ridiculous claims that Igbo had a central authority. Some of these villages only knew about the existence of their neighbours and were very clannish. The claim that we all originated from NRI and then forgot all about it is also very ridiculous. Especially if we consider the fact that Alaigbo is really small for the population of Igbos. The only reasonable explanation is that we migrated from else where from different routes. An Industrious race like the Igbo race would have had great cities before the british criminal occupation of their land. This suggest short period of occupation (And migration in distress) . Some Igbo dialects are almost unintelligible to Igbos that are not from around their landmass. This suggests some form of acculturation.

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Onlytruth: Not that I agree with all your points, but I remember the days of my childhood in Igboland when we (the kids then) usually called every black person on TV "onye Igbo". Even Ben Johnson was referred to as "onye Igbo" by kids!

But he is very likely onye Igbo.

mandarin: Kwara state is not just about Ilorin.Taken that Ilorin has an Emir what about all other settlements in kwara, do they alos have Emir? The creation of Kwara and combining Yoruba in Kogi was a political fraud by government. The Emir that Alimi left was half Yoruba half Fulani and now that they marry Yoruba they are more Yoruba than Fulani and no issue with that.
The history of ilorin is different. From other towns and if a referendum is held today kwara and Yoruba Kogi will be in a Yoruba mega state.

Lol it goes by the man. You are what your father is. They are full time Fulani. Those Fulani that used the Igbo to conquer Ilorin. After you sold our brothers into slavery. It is prophecy. Go to somalia, you can find some of your brothers there.

dayokanu: We have Adejoro 100% Ibo

Tosin 7 100% Ibo

Tomakint 100% Ibo

Segun Osogbo 100% Ibo

Tunde Olaniyi 100% Ibo

We hereby disown any Igbo with Yoruba name. They must be high on amala

It is us at war
Fighting against none other but us.
Without us, the guns won't work
Without us, the legs can't walk
It has always been us.
For it was all made for us
Do not eat the apple eve
Now you are mixed
How can I distinguish
I give you a scent to flourish
Awaiting the day of the promise
Lee you are me and I am you
One tree, one root
One root, one ailment
One root, one cure
Many many branches
In that tree, would I seperate you
For you are my princes.

Nigerians in Nigeria are even too different and don't have similar dna. Igbos don't have any thing to do with any other nation. Except God's begotten nation . Igbo is made in gold. Yous are akamu. For the last time you ignoramuses. Nigeria is a country, not a nation. We don't have the same ancestry.

drnoel: Look this man, tribalistic talks like this would only inflame things. I wonder who yo are sparing with urself or ur supposed enemies. What we want is growth not stupidity. Even igbos as united as we are have enemies among ourselves, every ethnic group has that so why would u then categorically state "Ngige in a yoruba party, and then dining with our enemies", I wont ask u if I misunderstood u but will only say tune down the tribal hatred. It wont help us.

Those ethnic groups are our enemies. Full stop. They had us as slaves; sold us into slavery; Helped their masters starve our kids to death; rejoice when boko haram kills our kids; hold our brother's souls captive in their churches. What other criteria do you need to identify your enemy. You wakeup man.

Imagine Ngige, in an yoruba party. Laughing and dining with our enemies. Yet he is still mouthing off. APGA should get its acts together.

jp philips: Sylvester is not ojukwu's son, Nigeria is really a funny country

If the claim that Ojukwu disowned him is true, then he is no longer Ojukwu's son. Simple.

Onlytruth:

My brother but which party is the Igbo party now? Just asking...

APGA is the recognised Igbo party for now. All that don't agree with its policies, should petition it. And they have to agree with themselves. Their activities should be for the general Igbo welfare and not their own selfish ambitions. APGA has to start running primaries, so that we can screen the bad eggs out.

bushwailo: Illiteracy is a disease. Ojukwu is your role modfel and you don't know anything about him.
Sylvester is his first son from an Nnewi mother, Ojukwus first wife.
The so called fula woman even had a girl.

Continu misquoting bible for your devious means.
Just like Obi

Ok I was wrong there. But God's words still stand. Igbos should marry and have babies with Igbos. Thus saith the lord God. Peace

bushwailo: Listen to the rubbish your spewing in 21st century.

Deut {7:3} Neither shalt thou
make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give
unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
{7:4} For they will turn away thy son from following me,
that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the
LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

MALACHI {3:6} For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons
of Jacob are not consumed.

This son of Ojukwu (from a fula mother), that is campaigning for a party of the yorubas; in Igboland is a perfect example of what our God was saying

Leaders of the flock, where art thine sheep
Did you count them, oh leaders of the lord's sheep
Wherefore dost the world witness the wailing and agony of the lord's sheep
Hast thou sold my sheep to the highest bidder?
Hast thou dined with wolves, dragons and snakes?
Did you consider, the tears of the beloved saints?
Oh ye chameleons in Israel.
How much is thine labour?
Ye that worketh iniquity
That says I am your brother in the day, but a snake in the night
Oh Babylon the ancient, Egypt and Syria. Oh Nigeria and Canaan.
ZIDON, TYRE, AMORITES AND PHILISTINE
May God rescue his princes.