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bahaushe1:
It doesn't befits the Majesty of Allaah to deceive His servants. Give a reference for the Israelites claim of everlasting sacrifice from Allaah.

To Allaah belongs all knowledge. He alone has full knowledge of the unseen. Because we are limited in our knowledge we can't comprehend certain decisions which Allaah decreed. Certainly Allaah will not cheat His servant. It is either the said has transgressed and deserving of death penalty or is a righteous man who Allaah decided to honour by making him a martyr.

...i just cant repeat my self over and over again,check my previous post for proof.....hmmmn,so the said man has transgressed and deserve a death penalty,this is serious.,...and can you define a matyr please

bahaushe1:
Who is a Prophet? How do you recognize a Prophet?

And Deut. 18:15 settles this issue since the Christians twisted their scripture.

...you're the one trying to twist the scripture/or should i say the english word written there...the verse is clear and understandable

bahaushe1:
You have answered many questions in this post: ".... each time the Lord or the spirit of the Lord speaks to them, they put it down......". These are the main ways Prophets of Allaah receives revelation but your scripture was written at a time when there was no Prophet to receive it from Allaah or spirit of Allaah.

...like seriously,dnt you get it..,.christ made it possible for people like you and i to receive the holy spirit i.e if we believe....tot i've said this before

bahaushe1:
Aren't you worried that the Christians are the only ones in human history to claim to have received a scripture from 'holy spirit '?

And more recently, people of Moses (pbuh), the Jews, with whom you share the old testament never claimed to have received a scripture from holy spirit after his death.

So from where did you get this idea of receiving scripture from holy spirit by men not known to be Prophets of God?

just saw this..no christians aint the only one,..the holyspirit then was limited to only prophets of old,and each time the lord or the spirit of the lord speaks to them,they alway put it down....the only part of the torah that was received directly from God in the presence of the isrealite was the commandments,..and the quran was written by muhammed through the inspiration or should i say through your messager jubril who you guys claimed was from allaah,the quran didnt fall from heaven as a whole as you guys make it seen,twas written

bahaushe1:
Muhammad's (pbuh) was implied - counselor. He is not alive but the book he brought (Quran) will be with us forever unaltered unlike the previous scriptures.

Muhammad's (pbuh) will never decay. Allaah Has protected the bodies of His Prophets from decaying. If you were to locate the grave of any prophet of Allaah and dig same you will find him as if he was buried today.

...jesus christ is NOT a prophet.....muhammed is not the HOLY SPIRIT/COUNCELLOR/HELPER proclaimed to us by christ,his lifestyle doesnt fit to that of a prophet sef.....the holy scripture NEVER said a book will be with us FOREVER,.but instead the HOLY SPIRIT/COUNCELLOR/HELPER will be with us FOREVER.......JOHN14:17...."'the SPIRIT OF TRUTH,whom the world cannot receive,because the world neigther SEES HIM nor KNOW HIM,for he DWELLS IN YOU AND WILL BE IN YOU FOREVER'''......the holy spirit isnt human.......and have you check his tomb to see if he is still intact.....

bahaushe1:
Holy spirit in both Jewish and Islamic law is believed to be an angel, angel Gabriel (pbuh) who was responsible for transmitting revelation from Allaah to His Prophets.
Prophethood, revelation, spirit, are not exclusive to Christians. Yours must conform to what is known and well established. Allaah doesn't change His ways.

...lol...thats what you think..stop relating that of jew to islam,because the jew believe it when the prophet of old said'''the spirit of the lord is upon me or said to me'''...because in their language there is a huge difference between the word "ANGEL OF THE LORD" and "SPIRIT OF THE LORD"...they have differing meaning and word,.if it was the angel of the lord,they would have put it clearly in the torah....allaah does not change keh..that same allah that promise the isrealite a everlasting sacrifice but turn back and saved the acclaimed messiah and put his image on a innocent man to suffer such a gruesome treatment....

bahaushe1:
Certainly the reference here is not to holy spirit but Muhammad (pbuh). Holy spirit existed even before the appearance of Jesus (pbuh) and was there while Jesus (pbuh) dwell on earth.

In John 16:7 Jesus (pbuh)
Jesus (pbuh) gave the attributes of hearing and speaking to the counselor which clearly imply a human not spirit.

...yes the holyspirit exist.yes....but it was limited to only prophet of old,,but christ made it possible for you and i to receive it only if we believe,thats why he used the word ''forever''..havnt you read where a prophet.moses and the rest say something like.""the spirit of the lord came to me in a dream/cloud and said to me'''.the holyspirit do speak right from the time of moses and the prophet of old,bt he does that to send a message to the prophet of old,.but this time around,the holyspirit will not only speak to us bt be our councellor to guide and direct us into the way of truth,thats why he is also called the spirit of truth...

bahaushe1:
Jesus (pbuh) addressing his mother as "woman"?

As for prophesies about Muhammad (pbuh) see: Deut. 18:15, John 14:16, John 16:7.

..lol,..christ adressed mary as woman,you are complaining,is she now a man..lol..when speaking sometimes using the word''woman'' to address an elderly person is okay,it depends on the way and tone you use,. .....deut.18:15 was written in a clear and straight english,.stop twisting the whole text.........lemme write the test in full..JOHN14:16..''AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER AND HE WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COUNCELLOR,TO BE WITH YOU FOREVER''........where was muhammed written there,or is muhammed now alive to be with us FOREVER,.muhammed that is dead and buried,even decayed is nw with you forever...lol..okay oo .

bahaushe1:
This is one of the fabrications in the Bible.

..the same bible you just claim prophesy about muhammed is now fabricated??...lol you muslims,.you just pick a verse/sentence that suit your belief and leave the rest as false.lol

bahaushe1 you said the desciple werent with him during his death.....the desciple were with him..john19:25-26..'''after the soldiers did this,standing by the CROSS of jesus were his mother and mother sister.26.when jesus saw his MOTHER AND HIS DESCIPLES WHOM HE LOVE SO MUCH standing near,he said to his mother,woman behold your son'''..............next,..moses wasnt the one that foretold about christ,moses did,isaiah did,hosea did,..to mention a few,..alot of prophet prophesy about christ thousand and thousand of years before his birth...and jesus or any prophet never prophesy about your prophet

bahaushe1,you said jesus never said/prophesied about his death and ressuration,.lol.even the prophet of old even prophesy about it in isaiah53:5...ok..christ actually talk about his death and ressuration,he talk about it numerous times both in plain word and in parable/proverb...lets see mathew16:21 '''jesus began to show his desciple that he must go to jerusalem and SUFFER MANY THINGS FROM elders and scribe and be KILLED AND ON THE THIRD DAY BE RAISED'''........if still confuse lets see mathew17:22-23 '''..22..as they were gathering in galilee,jesus said to them.the son of man is to be delivered into the hands of men.23..and they will KILL HIM AND HE WILL RAISE ON THE THIRD DAY,and the desciple were greatly distressed'''.....this are the few i can get my hands on in the scripture.....so dear friend.christ actually prophesied about his death and ressuration.

you made refference to john16:13..no need for cut nd paste...lemme give you the full details...john16:13 "'when the SPIRIT of TRUTH comes,he will guild you into all the truth,for he will not speak on his own authority but whatever he hears,he will speak and he will declare to you the things that are to come'''..........so lets see JOHN 14:16-17..and i will pray the father,he will give you another COUNCELLOR TO BE WITH YOU FOREVER,THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH,WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE BECAUSE WORLD NEIGTHER SEES HIM NOR KNOW HIM,for he DWELLS IN YOU AND WILL BE IN YOU FOREVER'''.........you just cant use a sentence/verse to understand a particular topic....Just try to read and understand those verses i just quoted,...you see,the word HOLYSPIRIT/COUNCELLOR/HELPER promised to us by christ isnt anything human or anything one can see or touch..just try to read more on it.....cc bahaushe1

bahaushe1,you said the holyspirit was limited to only the prophet of old....yh,but christ made it possible for people like you and i, who believe to receive the holyspirit,in john20:22 "'and when jesus has said this HE BREATHED ON THEM AND SAID TO THEM ''RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT".....no one can do such thing except christ himself,one of the uniqueness in christ

hi bahaushe1,i'm using a small phone for now,so i will answer your question one by one,....the bible is divine it is inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT cox all that happen and will happen was prophesied about in the bible.....peter said"'in their every communication,they are carried by the holy spirit'" i.e whatever stands in the scriptures is FROM GOD,written by men who were carried along by the HOLY SPIRIT....

sorry for the late reply bahaushe1..talking abt the divinity of the bible,the bible is a compiled work written by christ apostle..tho the bible isnt a book that fell down from heaven like the ten commandment tablet,twas written by his apostle through the help of the holyspirit(councellor/helper)promised to us by christ himself..check john14:26 "but the helper,the HOLY SPIRIT,whom my father will send in my name,HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS,AND BRING TO YOU REMEMBRANCE ALL THINGS THAT I SAID TO YOU"...the bible is a book written through the help of the holy spirit..you see.,i see no reason why a God will promise his people a messiah in the torah,it came to pass in bible.,after 600yrs he sent a prophet who claimed the acclaimed messiah wasnt killed bt was saved by that same god..why was he saved?,ok allah is allknowing and unquestionable...well too bad,my GOD doesnt work that way bro.he is unchangable.He said"heaven and earth may pass away but hIS WORD REMAINS THE SAME"....thats how it works here dear friend

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bahaushe1:
Allaah Has accused the Jews of corrupting the Torah. Not everything in the Torah as it is today that is true.

As for sacrifice have a look at this:

And remember Moses said to his people: "Allah commands that ye sacrifice a heifer." They said: "Makest thou a laughing-stock of us?" He said: "Allah save me from being an ignorant (fool)!"

2:68
They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what (heifer) it is!" He said; "He says: The heifer should be neither too old nor too young, but of middling age. Now do what ye are commanded!"

2:69
They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us Her colour." He said: "He says: A fawn-coloured heifer, pure and rich in tone, the admiration of beholders!"

2:70
They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what she is: To us are all heifers alike: We wish indeed for guidance, if Allah wills."

2:71
He said: "He says: A heifer not trained to till the soil or water the fields; sound and without blemish." They said: "Now hast thou brought the truth." Then they offered her in sacrifice, but not with good-will.

2:72
Remember ye slew a man and fell into a dispute among yourselves as to the crime: But Allah was to bring forth what ye did hide.

2:73
So We said: "Strike the (body) with a piece of the (heifer)." Thus Allah bringeth the dead to life and showeth you His Signs: Perchance ye may understand.

Quran 2:67-73.

Sacrifice was part of Jews law just like it is for today's Muslims.

And regarding your first statement, Allaah is too powerful, mighty, blessed, and exalted to deceive what He created.

OK... The Quran claimed that Allah said that the Torah is corrupt, and the Bible is also corrupt, the same Quran that was founded after some thousands and thousands of years after the Torah, even Jesus make reference to the Torah when preaching.. Just know that in every lie been told there is always a atom of truth.... The sacrifice of animals is required for the forgiveness of sins in the time of Moses. Leviticus 6:24-25"the Lord commanded Moses to give Aaron and his sons the following regulations for SIN offering. The animals for the sin offering shall be killed on the north side of the alter, where the animals for burnt offering are killed, this is a holy offering""...... Lev7:2 he shall sprinkle some of the blood of the SIN OFFERING on the side of the altar, while the rest shall be drained out at the base of the altar. It Is a SIN OFFERING "... Sacrifice and the use of blood has a great importance during the time of Moses in Judaism, like in exodus 12:22-23 shows when God killed all first born in Egypt but the BLOOD of a lamb which they sprinkled at their door saved the Israelite..... If the Quran claims other holy book where corrupt, then reading a history about Judaism of old won't cause any harm to your spiritual life...... Since Allah and yahweh are same, why did he promise the Israelite an everlasting sacrifice for the remission of their sins in Isaiah 53:5 but turned back and saved the acclaimed Messiah and put his image on an innocent man to suffer such a gruesome punishment /death from the Jew .. Why did he deceive the Jewish, or isn't he the God of his word..

ok bahaushe1.....since ailah and yahweh are same,.why did allah deceive his people when he promised his people abt the death of the messiah to the jew of old,cox then the jew always make a sacrifice for the remission of their sin[go read more on the culture and tradition of the jew of old,during the time of moses,dnt concentrate only on what the quran say abt them]read isaiah53:5,it can be found in the jewish torah if you dnt belive the bible) why then did allah turned around and save the messiah(christ) and put his image on an inocent man to suffer such treatment from the jew...why...talking about the prophet,i never knew king david and solomon are also a prophet in islam..wow

bahaushe1:
I am done. I have passed the message to you. It is up to you to ponder upon the truth and make right decision.

I testify that there is no god worthy of worship than Allaah and Muhammad (pbuh) is His servant and Messenger.

I also testify that Allaah did sent His servant and Messenger Jesus Christ (pbuh) to the Children of Israel with His divine book - Gospel.

I believe in all the angels of Allaah, His revealed books, His Prophets, Day of Resurrection, and Divine Decree.

And do bear witness that I am a Muslim.

..i belief in God the father almighty the creator of heaven and earth,and in jesus christ who is the only son our God who was conceived by the HOLY SPIRIT, the messiah promised to us by yahweh and i believe he is the way,the truth and life,i belief he will come again to judge the living and the dead.in all,i belief in ONE GOD.#shalom#

bahaushe1:
I am done. I have passed the message to you. It is up to you to ponder upon the truth and make right decision.

I testify that there is no god worthy of worship than Allaah and Muhammad (pbuh) is His servant and Messenger.

I also testify that Allaah did sent His servant and Messenger Jesus Christ (pbuh) to the Children of Israel with His divine book - Gospel.

I believe in all the angels of Allaah, His revealed books, His Prophets, Day of Resurrection, and Divine Decree.

And do bear witness that I am a Muslim.

ok thats good to hear....

..if christians and muslims are having same number of prophets then mohamed isnt worth to be called a prophet...if you read more on the early religion moses and the like practiced,then you will understand more on judaism and christianity cox islam will never come in..you will see how moses and the like do make a sacrifice for the remission of their sins,from generation to generation,nt until a message come to prophet isaiah about a everlasting sacrifice(you can check the jew torah for that).some jew believe jesus as the chosen one,while some dnt..if allah is the same God worship by moses then where is the mesaiah he promised?..if nt..allah isnt the same as yahweh,and mohamed isnt yahwehs prophet..jst try to reason outside the box..thanks [quote author=bahaushe1 post=63194118]Good evening and thank you for stopping by.
3. Islam and Muslims never claimed exclusivity to religion. Anybody who believed in a Messenger of Allaah and is among the nation of that Messenger is saved from Allaah's punishment.

bahaushe1:
Newbie. Get used to it. Jesus Christ (pbuh) the son of Mary is a Prophet and Messenger of Allaah.

old man,..even the arabic speaking christians doesnt call jesus isa cox jesus isnt the same as isa..isa is jst a work of fiction your prophet use in deceiving his petty followers.those alive during his lifetime gave account of what really happen to jesus.one muhamed born after a hundreds of years later start giving a fictional story about him,....you better get that straight into your old head..isa is a prophet bt nt jesus.

bahaushe1:
33 times.

eesa was written in the quran 33 times nt J.E.S.U.S,they are two different people..write eesa with pbuh,nt jesus cox they aint the same

bahaushe1:
We need to know who John is before before we take his words serious.

We are well aware Jesus (pbuh) didn't say those words to anybody neither did he instruct anyone to write any book on his behalf.

We are also well aware that throughout human history God inspires only His Prophets and Messengers. These Prophets and Messengers are well documented.

So, who is John and where did he get those words from?

..sorry,i just wanna ask a question please..was the name JESUS writen in the quran

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hmmmnn,antireligion you say,..m seeing jst 2 islamic memes....funny memes

you understand something only when uve madeup your mind to do so.

sonmvayina:
If you can accept a man as god, then you have no right to call a man who gathers iron or worships animals or rivers as idol worshipper. Both of you are guilty of idolatry...
Mind you, there is no where in the old testament that says the Messiah will be a demi god,. The Jews don't have that as part of their belief..it is a Roman thing. I guess you have watched " clash of the Titans " and/or Hercules...

hmmmnn,jst check this out..isaiah 9:6 FOR UPON US A CHILD IS BORN,UPON US A SON IS GIVEN AND THE GOVERNMENT SHALL BE UPON HIS SHOULDER AND HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED WONDERFUL COUNSELLOR,THE ALMIGHTY GOD,THE EVERLASTING FATHER,THE PRINCE OF PEACE....i think that will do,.m nt trying to make you change,i jst wanna clear the air abt ur old testament messiah claims #shalom