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Education › Re: The Funniest Breakdown Of Nigerian University Departments by DNAPro: 6:42pm On Apr 01, 2025
Basic123:
Alot of factors can contribute to misdiagnosis,not only disregard of test result(which most of the time is valid,study medicine and you will know why).
Laboratory errors from your end can also contribute,doctors poor clinical decision making,Nurses ineptitude etc.That is why the doctor whose the bucks end on his table have to be deligent and have high index of suspicion when your lab result,Nurses vital signs and radiographers results and not in keeping with his clinical assessment.There was a reputable hospital where I had once worked whose malaria test was never negative after working there for good 6mths.I had to alert the CMD and lab head.

So,disregarding results (A perfect example is when you grow staph aureus in ?CAUTI) is the least cause of misdiagnosis compared to what I listed above.
We are also well aware that Hospitals and Physicians employ only Lab Technicians or graduates of Science Lab Tech instead of licensed Medical Laboratory Scientist to run their labs in order to cut costs.

Don't you think the employment of quacks and non-qualified personnel contribute significantly to these medical errors and disregard of lab tests?
Education › Re: The Funniest Breakdown Of Nigerian University Departments by DNAPro: 6:21pm On Apr 01, 2025
Basic123:
Who is saying that his opinion doesn't hold water when he actually help the doctors in SOME of the diagnosis...and you are not the only ones that do,Nurses also help with their vital signs and fluid charts.Although,there are thousands of diseases whose diagnosis are purely clinical.No test is needed to confirm,especially most psychiatric illness and some surgical diseases.

The point is that he doesn't have the final say and he doesn't have any reason to argue.Give him your lab result,you have done your job.The doctor will combine the result with so many other information he has that the scientist doesn't have to make his conclusion.He will also never interfer in the way you mix your chemicals or view your microscope to get your result even though he has an idea.

There are times doctors disregard lab findings base on so many other parameters and guildelines.Its not as straightforward as you think.For example,that a nurse gives a doctor high BP reading doesn't mean he should start treating the patient for hypertension. There are so many things to be considered,including some of the informations that might come from your lab to make that decision.

That your second to the last paragraph is not your work,although you may have an idea just like the pharmacist and other paramedics do.Just like the doctors may have an idea of some test procedure,but it's still not his work!

Doctors respect you and appreciate the good work you do to make the whole management go smoothly. Everyone should just maintain his lane.

God bless us
Do you have any data on the prevalence of clinical misdiagnosis in our hospitals? It was 32.4% when I did my M.Sc few years ago. Are we sure the disregard of medical test results do not contribute to these figures?

Nigeria is one of the easiest countries where you can get away with medical malpractice/negligence. We all know that and we know why. Illiteracy on the part of the patient/patient's relatives contributes to a part of it.

I am very much aware that many patients and relatives are now getting to know their rights in a country like Nigeria with a chaotic healthcare system.

May God help us all.
Education › Re: The Funniest Breakdown Of Nigerian University Departments by DNAPro: 6:04pm On Apr 01, 2025
Basic123:
Who is saying is saying that his opinion doesn't hold water when he actually help the doctors in the diagnosis...and you are not the only ones that do,Nurses also help with their vital signs and fluid charts.

The point is that he doesn't have the final say and he doesn't have any reason to argue.Give him your lab result,you have done your job.The doctor will combine the result with so many other information he has that the scientist doesn't have to make his conclusion.

That your second to the last paragraph is not your work,although you may have an idea just like the pharmacist and other paramedics do.Just like the doctors may have an idea of some test procedure,but it's still not his work!

Doctors respect you and appreciate the good work you do to make the whole management go smoothly. Everyone should just maintain his lane.

God bless us
The second to last paragraph says a Medical Laboratory Scientist sees causative organisms more than the Physician as part of the exigencies of his job.. That is a known fact.
Do you carry microscopes during ward rounds?

If you dispute it, you can provide counter evidential facts. We are on a public forum, and people are reading and learning.

Let's enhance their knowledge about the medical field.
Education › Re: The Funniest Breakdown Of Nigerian University Departments by DNAPro:
Basic123:
Making a diagnosis is still not within the purview of his training.Making diagnosisis beyond conducting lab test. There is a difference between medicine and medical lab science.Also,there is a difference between medicine and surgery.
You are the one misleading people here!
If you are making on your own clinical diagnosis by only the observation of sign and symptoms, nobody is quarrelling with you. You are well within your right as a physician. Whether you patients would be satisfied is a different thing entirely.

However, headache, Fever, Anorexia are symptoms shared by thousands of different diseases, the Medical Laboratory is there to make differential and definitive diagnosis based on the patient's demographics, clinical manifestations etc..as it did during the COVID-19 global scourge.

Clinical Laboratory Diagnostics is entirely within his professional purview.
As long the diagnosis involves medical laboratory input, he is requested to write a report based on his investigatins. He is an expert,expected to be very much grounded in one of the many subfields of medical laboratory diagnostics.



The job descriptions are clear, the MLS is well-versed and can discuss the diseases he investigates in the lab. Infact he sees the causative organisms and agents of these disease more often than you do as part of the exigencies of his job.

So, pray tell, why do you think his opinion should hold no water when diseases and diagnostics are being discussed?
Romance › Re: He Said His Genotype Changed” – Lady Devasted As Fiance Calls Off Wedding by DNAPro: 10:45am On Apr 01, 2025
femi4:
Go to reputable hospital..you no gree
Did you read the piece? The man is AA, but used the excuse of 'My genotype changed to call off the wedding'.

He found another girl.
Education › Re: The Funniest Breakdown Of Nigerian University Departments by DNAPro:
Basic123:
But he is not a medical doctor right?
There is a clear cut job description
He is not meant to make diagnosis and formulate management plan.He can't become a medical doctor
through the backdoor.

His doctor is like that of a Ph.d holder.
If he so much desires to be making diagnosis and manage patient he should enrol in a medical school.
If he graduated from those places I mentioned earlier or has a PhD..He is a Doctor of MedLab and a primus inter pares in his field.

The Physician has his own job description, just as the Pharmacist does..

The MLS guy did not tell you he is a Physician. He is a Medical Scientist and his opinion on Medical Diagnostics cannot be dismissed. He definitely knows more than you do on Medical Laboratory procedures and the validity of clinical laboratory testing. That is his field and he is expected to be an authority therein. He does not need to back to any school to claim what he already has, if wishes to remain and practice in Medical Laboratory Science which basically involves the study, investigation and diagnosis of diseases in the medical laboratory.

Just as the opinion of a Pharmacist on drugs cannot be dismissed by a Physician. It is not about ego, it is about the lives on the line. The Pharmacist is king in that field.

If you had told us the MLS guy was arguing with you about Surgical procedures, then I would fault him, as that is not within the purview of his training.

We must not mislead people here on public platforms, because you feel the urge to sustain a certain bias or agenda.
Education › Re: The Funniest Breakdown Of Nigerian University Departments by DNAPro:
Basic123:
Medlab grandiosity no be here ooo.
One came to me and he started arguing a diagnosis. I asked him if he is a doctor he said yes,doctor of lab.That he can interpret result.
If he studied the D.MLS in Ghana, India or US, yes he is a Doctor of MedLab.

And yes, interpreting medical laboratory results accrued from clinical laboratory testing methodologies is within the purview of the job of the Medical Lab Scientist/Biomedical Scientist. Ask Grok or Meta.

This is also dependent on the level of education, training and experience of the Scientist.

For instance, to perform and interpret High-complexity test in the US, you would need higher experience as an MLS, specialized training or even an M.Sc. In the UK, you would need to be a Specialist Biomedical Scientist on a higher Band. Any well-grounded MLS can interpreted Low-Medium complexity tests.

The same thing applies to physicians, you can't compare a fresh Post-NYSC green-horn physician to a Consultant in Nephrology.
Education › Re: The Funniest Breakdown Of Nigerian University Departments by DNAPro:
APOPTOSIS:
He nailed that MedLab.
Seems they teach them Grandiosity in school.
Ordinary MedLab.
MedLab should be an accelerated program in Nigeria. Some courses should never exceed 2 years duration.
Just imagine spending 4 years in school studying English/Literature, Philosophy and political science?
'Ordinary MedLab', but if they set a question on Molecular Diagnostics or Histochemistry for you, you will be staring at the questions like a dunce.

'Accelerated program' for a Specialized course that has a direct bearing on life and health? When they fail to produce thorough-bred professionals that are well qualified to produce quality laboratory diagnosis, you will be quick to blame them and point fingers to the lab. Telling the world they don't know their stuff.


The current WHO president is a Medical Laboratorian not a Physician . Go and find out.

That was why more laboratory tests was done during the COVID-19 pandemic than in all other pandemics put together in the last 500 years.
Sports › Re: 2026 WCQ: FIFA Could Still Hand South Africa Points Deduction Despite Lesotho’s by DNAPro: 3:19pm On Mar 28, 2025
Let the NFF take it from there. The FIFA statutes must be enforced whether Lesotho withdraws the complaint or not.
Sports › Re: World Cup Qualifiers: Did South Africa Field An Ineligible Player Vs Lesotho? by DNAPro: 5:36pm On Mar 25, 2025
Lesotho should please file the complaint to FIFA.

If they don't have the funds for the case. We will pay..
Politics › Re: Natasha Akpoti-Uduaghan: INEC Press Release on recall of Kogi Central Senator by DNAPro: 4:06pm On Mar 25, 2025
TinubuCriminal:
Gbam!
Akpabio, Wike & Tinubu will have to buy 250k SIM cards & fill them as constituents' contacts.


I doubt if Wike can successfully change his ogogoro voice when INEC calls to verify if he is truly Mrs. Joy Aduku of Ward C. grin
grin
Sports › Re: Bet9ja’s Naija Money Back Special: Bet On Nigeria To Beat Zimbabwe Or Get Refund by DNAPro: 11:45am On Mar 24, 2025
shortgun:
cheesy cheesy cheesy
Una go cry no worry.
Any money you credit a betting company is gone.
Ghana match the other day someone who was watching live at the stadium was shocked when he received the second goal notification from flashscore.com before the goal was actualled scored for real. The bookies are living in the future
grin grin
That appears to be a fixed match. FIFA should investigate.
Politics › Re: Tinubu’s Past Is Messy: From Drug Trafficking To Forgery – Grok by DNAPro: 10:50am On Mar 13, 2025
helinues:
Wailers should rest.

Na why una dey shout hardship as you have neglected important things in life
You dey off-point. Danfo conductor, go load your bus for Mushin. E do reach your turn..
Politics › Re: Orsu, Imo Villagers Beg Soldiers To Save Them From ESN And Unknown Gunmen by DNAPro: 9:25am On Mar 12, 2025
Ok
Politics › Re: Orsu, Imo Villagers Beg Soldiers To Save Them From ESN And Unknown Gunmen by DNAPro: 9:24am On Mar 12, 2025
Owobokiri, gidgiddy, Mrvitalis
Politics › Re: Robbery: Why South South & South East Must Boycott Dangote/mrs Now!! by DNAPro: 12:08pm On Mar 04, 2025
It should be more expensive in the the north, if the argument is about transport and logistics.
Politics › Re: Professor Chidi Odinkalu Exposes Reason Canada Denied CDS Visa by DNAPro: 10:10am On Feb 18, 2025
cheesy grin
Health › Re: NAFDAC Impounds 10 Trucks Of Fake Drugs In Anambra Market (photo) by DNAPro: 2:40pm On Feb 16, 2025
APCHaram:
Those are marketed as food supplements and not drugs and if you check the labelling there are no claims of its efficacy as a drug.

That's why they have to recruit marketers .

It's all placebo.
Food supplements must have NAFDAC number. Even Sachet water has NAFDAC number..

NAFDAC raids Idumota, Onitsha and classify all pharmaceuticals as 'FAKE' as long as they don't have NAFDAC number. But tolerate the same food supplement in private big chain pharmacies without NAfDAC number.

Who is fooling who?

And why did they not carry our their raid in Kano, but only in Lagos and Onitsha?

Almost 90% of the tramadol and codein consumed in this country is done up north.
Health › Re: NAFDAC Impounds 10 Trucks Of Fake Drugs In Anambra Market (photo) by DNAPro: 10:21am On Feb 16, 2025
APCHaram:
You are a bloody liar.


Every drug that is imported into Nigeria must first be submitted to NAFDAC for verification of its authencity, potency and safety .

Samples of expected batch are submitted to NAFDAC before hand for testing. Even the foriegn manufacturers ISO certification and Health regulatory license is scrutinized by NAFDAC as part of screening.

If everything meets NAFDAC standards, the importer is given the go ahead to import the said pre approved drug specification and quantity.

On arrival into Nigeria, NAFDAC will take hold of the consignment at their main laboratory in Lagos and do random testing on the each batch samples. NAFDAC will only finally release the drugs to the importer after it is fully satisfied with the consignment.

Now here is where it gets shaddy.

Most of your distributors will then use the NAFDAC approval and go ahead to then begin to produce extra fake batches with fake NAFDAC certification and most of this is done in markets in Onitsha and Aba.

Next time you want to lie on behalf of your blodas , think very well before you post rubbish here
How does imported US and UK supplements get to shelves of MEDPLUS and Healthplus without NAFDAC numbers? Yet, they sell confidently without getting raided by NAFDAC.
Health › Re: NAFDAC Impounds 10 Trucks Of Fake Drugs In Anambra Market (photo) by DNAPro: 10:18am On Feb 16, 2025
Skydivine:
Having billions is not the issue. Let me explain ( I know say I go explain tire).
What most business people in the market do is to ride on the back of established brands and make more money.
This is how it works. A lot of foreign manufacturers of popular medication brands have NAFDAC number on paper but they do not have existence or production in Nigeria or even distributors. This could be due to the challenges of running a successful organized business in Nigeria. Remember, these products are already popular in Nigeria, so there is no issue with consumers accepting them.
An Igbo business man would then approach a third party in the foreign country where the medication is still manufactured. Remember, the foreign version in the same packaging of the medication won’t have NAFDAC number because it is not a requirement over there.
Then, somehow they successfully import these foreign versions into Nigeria but this are now term fake. The reason they are considered fake and rightly so is because there is an existing NAFDAC number for that product in Nigeria. However, the Nigeria version is not available anywhere.
Another thing some of the traders do is that they also knowingly import the foreign version even when the Nigeria version is still available. This practice cause undue competition with the local version, and results in lost of revenue for the original Nigeria company. In fact, some of the market raids are sponsored by companies that have experienced this issues.
Note, there are also the very bad actors. These ones deliberately go all out to import very fake counterfeit versions mostly from Asia. These are the very bad heartless actors .
In most markets, even their own union are against the last group. They do confiscate the fake products and sanction such individuals.
But when it comes to NAFDAC raid, every one is a suspect.
You are very much lettered on drug politics and the role that NAFDAC plays in it. 👍
Health › Re: NAFDAC Impounds 10 Trucks Of Fake Drugs In Anambra Market (photo) by DNAPro: 10:05am On Feb 16, 2025
As a businessman, if you import the BEST medications from the USA and UK but don't register it with NAFDAC. NAFDAC will brand it FAKE.

If you import substandard from China, India and Pakistan and pay millions in unofficially bribe + official fees to NAFDAC, It becomes 'ORIGINAL'. NAFDAC has affiliation with some drug manufacturers in India, China and Pakistan.

We know that there criminals and fake drugs merchants in the system who produce counterfeits. They should be arrested and dealt with severely. However, NAFDAC should stop sensationalizing and abusing word 'FAKE'.


There are UNREGISTERED drug and there are 'FAKE/SUBSTANDARD' drugs. They are NOT the same.
For a drug to be scientifically branded fake, it must be test via laboratory analysis. Qualitatively and Quantitatively..


Teva drug products from Europe and USA was unregistered for many years ( medicine dealers were selling underground) in this country until they paid money to NAFDAC. In those years prior to registration they saved many Nigerians who were hypertensive from dying.

Conversely, big retail pharmacy chains like Medplus, Healthplus sell those Supplements and Health foods imported from USA, UK, and Canada without NAFDAC number. We don't hear NAFDAC harassing them and seizing their goods. The reason is- TRADE POLITICS.


A lot 'Politics' is involved in the drug trade and NAFDAC sometimes play it badly due to the greed of some of its officers and 'consultants'.

This news has a tinge of sensationalism. I am a medical professional with a PhD and I know better than to swallow, hook, line and sinker like many ordinary laymen on this thread.
Politics › Re: Binance Executive, Gambaryan Names Three Lawmakers Who Demanded $150m Bribe by DNAPro: 2:31pm On Feb 14, 2025
Hmmm

More revelations are coming, I suspect.
Education › Re: UNIZIK Expels female student who assaulted lecturer by DNAPro: 2:05pm On Feb 14, 2025
Good one.

Also, arrest her and prosecute her for physical assault.
Politics › Re: Afenifere Chieftain Adebanjo Dies At 96 by DNAPro: 2:00pm On Feb 14, 2025
EmperorCaesar:
While you have zero liberals over there

See nonsense condolence comment
That is not true.. Joe Igbokwe, Bianca etc.
Politics › Re: Afenifere Chieftain Adebanjo Dies At 96 by DNAPro: 2:00pm On Feb 14, 2025
EmperorCaesar:
While you have zero liberals over there

See nonsense condolence comment
That is not true..
Politics › Re: Afenifere Chieftain Adebanjo Dies At 96 by DNAPro: 1:59pm On Feb 14, 2025
RIP to you Sir
Politics › Re: Imo Community Residents Vow To Retaliate Over Killing Of Two Kinsmen In Anambra by DNAPro: 9:06pm On Feb 12, 2025
Until Soludo's Agunechemba and Imo State Ebube Agu security work together and harmonize operations, these kidnappers and killers masquerading as Biafran fighters, will continue to have a field day in both states.
Education › Re: UNIZIK Female Student Bites Lecturer For Interrupting Her Dance Video Recording by DNAPro: 9:41am On Feb 12, 2025
aswani:
That lecturer should have avoided her as much as possible, even if she was blocking the road, he should have gently eased himself around get.

After he walked away, because he heard her complain, he foolishly came back instead of moving on with his life.

When you see a woman videoing herself or taking selfies, gently stay well away. Nothing good will come out of any interaction with her.

Oga lecturer, las las she go beg and cry and you go gree.
If I am taking her on any course. I'm sorry she is not passing my course. She failed the character test, regardless of whatever she writes.

She should find another school..
Education › Re: UNIZIK Female Student Bites Lecturer For Interrupting Her Dance Video Recording by DNAPro:
That girl is having sex with lecturers in her department. I can bet on it.

Many GenZs are uncontrollably rotten.. I fear for the next generation.
Crime › Re: Medical Doctor Bags 7-Year Jail Term Over ₦‎127 Million Fraud In Calabar by DNAPro: 8:31am On Feb 09, 2025
Lalami3232:
cheesy
Na all these ones dey give fake result whenever people go for paternity test so that the marriage no go scatter.
What do I even know sef aside enlightening my fellow men nationwide with the good news
Lalami, e be like say we go make you our ambassador o. grin

Our DNA paternity tests are accurate, cost effective and are done by Canadian Scientists. No hanky-panky. Clients are also counselled before the release of results.

You can send a WhatsApp message to us. Check my signature for our WhatsApp number. Let's talk business. 👍
Education › Re: NUC Upgrades Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, Optometry Degrees To Doctor Status by DNAPro:
Ok
Foreign Affairs › Re: Togo Set To Dump ECOWAS For AES by DNAPro: 10:03am On Jan 22, 2025
Ok

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